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2012-12-26 10:06:07 PM  
Jesus, they're all farking children. Grow up, especially if you own a damn gun.
 
2012-12-26 10:10:27 PM  
What's good for the goose, et al...

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2012-12-26 10:23:36 PM  
They got off easy. If I was on that list I'd post everything on them I can find. And I have access to far more useful tools than that lawyer does. Where their children went to school, their private cell phone numbers, their spouses employers, everything I could find on them AND their family.

Maybe then people would quit trying this shiat to intimidate people.
 
2012-12-26 10:29:29 PM  
Who knew this would end badly? Oh yeah.

Have fun with this, both sides of this crap.
 
2012-12-26 10:35:43 PM  
Personally, I would think that a map of gun permit holders would be useful in helping burglars figure out which homes to avoid, not target.
No matter how you look at it, no public good is served by publishing that.

Ironically, this incident is about freedom and the irresponsible use of technology, which is all that the gun debate is really about also.
 
2012-12-26 11:05:55 PM  
This is my hometown newspaper, so I'm getting a kick, etc...

iq_in_binary: They got off easy. If I was on that list I'd post everything on them I can find. And I have access to far more useful tools than that lawyer does. Where their children went to school, their private cell phone numbers, their spouses employers, everything I could find on them AND their family.

Maybe then people would quit trying this shiat to intimidate people.


It was all public information, Mr. ITG. All they did was put it on a map. If anyone had wanted to, they could have compiled this list at any point, at any time.
 
2012-12-26 11:08:36 PM  

Triumph: Personally, I would think that a map of gun permit holders would be useful in helping burglars figure out which homes to avoid, not target.
No matter how you look at it, no public good is served by publishing that.

Ironically, this incident is about freedom and the irresponsible use of technology, which is all that the gun debate is really about also.


No it this incident is about poor journalism and intimidation.    This particular journalistic creation of a news story, as opposed to what we normally believe to a journalist's job to be - objective reporting of the news, has been done before, including The Roanoke Times publishing of all the concealed weapons permit holders in Virgina at their newspaper website.   That of course turned out to be a colossal error and the data has been taken down; ostensibly because of errors, but the newspaper leaders and reporter had their personal information published online and were quite scared.  However no bomb was delivered to his home.

The newspaper of record in Memphis also did this.  Theirs is still up, but out of date as the residents of Tennessee urged their elected officials to make that information confidential and available to law enforcement only much like our driver license information has been for quite some time.   The Virginia and Tennessee newspapers publishing of such information was indeed the impetus of many state laws making that information confidential.

While you may have your own opinion on it, one that was shared by an unnamed young woman during a hearing in Tennessee is clearly an important message.   She said she followed all the laws, got her gun and permit legally because she feared her ex-husband.  He now knows where she lives because the newspaper acted without caring about women like her and now she has to move again.

Journalistic integrity is gone, it is all agenda driven sensationalization.
 
2012-12-26 11:11:52 PM  

Rincewind53: It was all public information, Mr. ITG. All they did was put it on a map. If anyone had wanted to, they could have compiled this list at any point, at any time.


Just because you can do something does not mean you should do that thing.
 
2012-12-26 11:19:09 PM  

Rincewind53: This is my hometown newspaper, so I'm getting a kick, etc...

iq_in_binary: They got off easy. If I was on that list I'd post everything on them I can find. And I have access to far more useful tools than that lawyer does. Where their children went to school, their private cell phone numbers, their spouses employers, everything I could find on them AND their family.

Maybe then people would quit trying this shiat to intimidate people.

It was all public information, Mr. ITG. All they did was put it on a map. If anyone had wanted to, they could have compiled this list at any point, at any time.


You know what else is "public" information? Your criminal records. Every phone number attributed to you. Your occupation. Your employer. Your Driver's License #. Your car titles. Your home's taxable value. Anything you post on facebook. Pictures of your kids. Where your kids go to school. Your utility account numbers. Whether the dry pairs in your home are activated (Hello! THIS guy doesn't have a security system!). Who you've ever been married to. Who you've ever divorced. Your credit rating. Your name changes (say hello to that abusive boyfriend you finally got away from!). I can get to all of that in minutes.

If you don't mind these asshats publishing what they did, you have absolutely NO leg to stand on when I publish all ^^^^^ that on the newspaper's employees either.
 
2012-12-26 11:20:43 PM  

Kimothy: Jesus, they're all farking children. Grow up, especially if you own a damn gun.


Done in bloody one

Your gun debate is boring.

But the US loves the sound of its own voice, a constant drone across the world, like a petulant child with too many toys to clean up.
 
2012-12-26 11:28:02 PM  
iq_in_binary: They got off easy. If I was on that list I'd post everything on them I can find. And I have access to far more useful tools than that lawyer does. Where their children went to school, their private cell phone numbers, their spouses employers, everything I could find on them AND their family.

Congratulations - you're the biggest ashole. Yay!
 
2012-12-26 11:34:44 PM  

vartian: iq_in_binary: They got off easy. If I was on that list I'd post everything on them I can find. And I have access to far more useful tools than that lawyer does. Where their children went to school, their private cell phone numbers, their spouses employers, everything I could find on them AND their family.

Congratulations - you're the biggest ashole. Yay!


Damn right. Put me and my roommate and girlfriend in danger just to make some trumped up political statement and I have absolutely no problem doing the same to you with avarice and absolutely NO regard for your well being.

Hopefully such an overwhelmingly powerful retaliation would be a reminder to other dipshiats in the future that thought for even a second that shiat like this is a good idea.
 
2012-12-26 11:34:57 PM  

vartian: Congratulations - you're the biggest ashole. Yay!


Joe Rogan is gonna be pissed!
 
2012-12-26 11:38:09 PM  

vartian: iq_in_binary: They got off easy. If I was on that list I'd post everything on them I can find. And I have access to far more useful tools than that lawyer does. Where their children went to school, their private cell phone numbers, their spouses employers, everything I could find on them AND their family.

Congratulations - you're the biggest ashole. Yay!


It was done for the Virginia newspaper, it was done for the Memphis, and it will be done again when journalists forget their career and advocate for political causes.    Can you blame them?  If you were a gun owner wouldn't you be mad?  Wouldn't you want a little tit for tat.

I live in a state where there is no list of gun owners, it is expressly forbidden by law.   I live in a state where I don't need permission from the state to buy or keep a gun, it is a right not to be denied except in very limited circumstances based on my ability to safely use a gun, or my prior illegal conduct.   I live in a state where the concealed weapons licensees, who now top one million, are confident that their names and addresses are protected from this sort of journalistic fanning of the flames by the laws our elected representatives passed to stave off just this sort of stupidity.
 
2012-12-26 11:41:23 PM  

Kimothy: Jesus, they're all farking children. Grow up, especially if you own a damn gun.


in one it is done
the thread may now be so closed
no happy ending
 
2012-12-26 11:43:57 PM  

feckingmorons: Journalistic integrity is gone, it is all agenda driven sensationalization.


I couldn't agree more. Instead of just stoking up the gun control blather, here's what real journalists would be chasing in the Sandy Hook shooting among many other things:

1. The guy they arrested in the woods at the edge of the school who was wearing camo and screaming "I didn't do it." Who is he? What's the story there?
2. What have they learned from security camera footage?
3. How was it that an untrained kid was able to be so deadly, with so many fatalities and so few wounded?
4. What's up with the car towed away from the scene that allegedly had the gun in the trunk? The license plate trace allegedly went out over police scanners and it may belong to a drug dealer - what's up with that?
5. What medications was the shooter on? What kind of psychiatric care was he receiving?
6. Why was it so quickly pronounced that the data from the shooter's hard drive is unrecoverable?

There's plenty more facts to chase, but you get the idea - there's a bona fide story to report, but it's hard to find anyone doing it.
 
2012-12-26 11:48:04 PM  

Triumph: feckingmorons: Journalistic integrity is gone, it is all agenda driven sensationalization.

I couldn't agree more. Instead of just stoking up the gun control blather, here's what real journalists would be chasing in the Sandy Hook shooting among many other things:

1. The guy they arrested in the woods at the edge of the school who was wearing camo and screaming "I didn't do it." Who is he? What's the story there?
2. What have they learned from security camera footage?
3. How was it that an untrained kid was able to be so deadly, with so many fatalities and so few wounded?
4. What's up with the car towed away from the scene that allegedly had the gun in the trunk? The license plate trace allegedly went out over police scanners and it may belong to a drug dealer - what's up with that?
5. What medications was the shooter on? What kind of psychiatric care was he receiving?
6. Why was it so quickly pronounced that the data from the shooter's hard drive is unrecoverable?

There's plenty more facts to chase, but you get the idea - there's a bona fide story to report, but it's hard to find anyone doing it.


Check Infowars. I'm sure someone there is on the case.
 
2012-12-26 11:55:02 PM  

iq_in_binary: Put me and my roommate and girlfriend in danger


How?  Isn't the whole argument that if people know you have a gun you're safe?
 
2012-12-26 11:56:32 PM  

Triumph: feckingmorons: Journalistic integrity is gone, it is all agenda driven sensationalization.

I couldn't agree more. Instead of just stoking up the gun control blather, here's what real journalists would be chasing in the Sandy Hook shooting among many other things:

1. The guy they arrested in the woods at the edge of the school who was wearing camo and screaming "I didn't do it." Who is he? What's the story there?
2. What have they learned from security camera footage?
3. How was it that an untrained kid was able to be so deadly, with so many fatalities and so few wounded?
4. What's up with the car towed away from the scene that allegedly had the gun in the trunk? The license plate trace allegedly went out over police scanners and it may belong to a drug dealer - what's up with that?
5. What medications was the shooter on? What kind of psychiatric care was he receiving?
6. Why was it so quickly pronounced that the data from the shooter's hard drive is unrecoverable?

There's plenty more facts to chase, but you get the idea - there's a bona fide story to report, but it's hard to find anyone doing it.


The shooter was his brother, his mom was a teacher, there were 2 shooters, he murdered his father in NJ first, all crap the journalists told us.   The fourth estate used to be respected, journalism used to be a calling.  Now it is what the kids who can't get into anything else go for in college.

Breaking the law by bringing illegal magazines on TV to make a baseless argument, attempting to interview families the day after their children were murdered, journalists are less respected than used car salesmen and deservedly so.

When news stations interview someone on the scene, unless it is someone paid to talk to the media, the PIO of the police or fire department everyone scatters save the few toothless unwashed who want a chance to be seen on Eyewitness sort of made up facts at 11.   Normal people know that journalists will manipulate what they say, edit what they say to serve the journalist's purpose, or simply lie.   Why involve yourself in that.  If a journalist wants to interview you tell them to fark off, you can't be misquoted that way.
 
2012-12-26 11:59:39 PM  
So what? All the tough gun people gonna go hunt these people down now?

They'll just be shooting themselves in the foot.
 
2012-12-26 11:59:45 PM  

GAT_00: iq_in_binary: Put me and my roommate and girlfriend in danger

How?  Isn't the whole argument that if people know you have a gun you're safe?


Nobody wants to shoot someone else.  That is what people have permits to carry a concealed gun - they don't want to be a target and they don't want the criminals to know they have a gun.   The element of surprise should be on the side of the law abiding citizen, not the criminal.

/not that you can see this since you ignore opinion and facts that differ from your warped world view.   Perhaps someone will quote it so you can ball your little fists up, start frothing at the mouth and post some of your usual nonsense in response.   Or not, either way is fine with me, I find you to be an amusing cog in the huge wheel of liberalism with all the other uninformed cogs.
 
2012-12-27 12:00:43 AM  

GAT_00: iq_in_binary: Put me and my roommate and girlfriend in danger

How?  Isn't the whole argument that if people know you have a gun you're safe?


It's been my experience - after living for years with relatives on the police force - that gun owners are the ones that live most in fear of others. Hence the need for a gun. So yeah, of course he assumes he's in danger.

//Sure he thinks he's one of the exceptions.
 
2012-12-27 12:03:16 AM  

Triumph: 3. How was it that an untrained kid was able to be so deadly, with so many fatalities and so few wounded?


His mom trained him.

Don't know what blog you got the rest of that from but it sucks.
 
2012-12-27 12:03:16 AM  

feckingmorons: GAT_00: iq_in_binary: Put me and my roommate and girlfriend in danger

How?  Isn't the whole argument that if people know you have a gun you're safe?

Nobody wants to shoot someone else.  That is what people have permits to carry a concealed gun - they don't want to be a target and they don't want the criminals to know they have a gun.   The element of surprise should be on the side of the law abiding citizen, not the criminal.

/not that you can see this since you ignore opinion and facts that differ from your warped world view.   Perhaps someone will quote it so you can ball your little fists up, start frothing at the mouth and post some of your usual nonsense in response.   Or not, either way is fine with me, I find you to be an amusing cog in the huge wheel of liberalism with all the other uninformed cogs.


Have to admit that's one of the best arguments I've heard in favor of concealed carry. I know several people with CC's and they've never explained it this way. It's always been "if I have to kill someone..." arguments, which really suck.
 
2012-12-27 12:04:10 AM  

feckingmorons: The fourth estate used to be respected, journalism used to be a calling.  Now it is what the kids who can't get into anything else go for in college.


Actually, there's a fair number of Ivy leaguers in the media these days, which never used to be the case.
 
2012-12-27 12:04:12 AM  
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2012-12-27 12:06:44 AM  

Kimothy: Have to admit that's one of the best arguments I've heard in favor of concealed carry. I know several people with CC's and they've never explained it this way. It's always been "if I have to kill someone..." arguments, which really suck.


And so if you carry to prevent being shot, isn't making everyone aware that you have a gun making that less likely?  Isn't publishing the names of everyone who owns a gun something gun owners would want?
 
2012-12-27 12:08:17 AM  

Triumph: feckingmorons: The fourth estate used to be respected, journalism used to be a calling.  Now it is what the kids who can't get into anything else go for in college.

Actually, there's a fair number of Ivy leaguers in the media these days, which never used to be the case.


And that makes them competent and not agenda driven how exactly?  Princeton turns out all sorts of journalists, but we have so few real journalists devoted to truth and objectivity the entire graduating class could be j school grads and we would be no better off.
 
2012-12-27 12:11:28 AM  
Next, they'll be printing huge books of people's addresses and phone numbers.
 
2012-12-27 12:12:13 AM  

GAT_00: Kimothy: Have to admit that's one of the best arguments I've heard in favor of concealed carry. I know several people with CC's and they've never explained it this way. It's always been "if I have to kill someone..." arguments, which really suck.

And so if you carry to prevent being shot, isn't making everyone aware that you have a gun making that less likely?  Isn't publishing the names of everyone who owns a gun something gun owners would want?


No, if I have to carry my gun in the open I become the first target.  Once they shoot me then everyone else is a sitting duck.   If a burglar knows a homeowner has a gun he will kill the homeowner before the burglary rather than simply locking them in a closet or something like that.

Just like the teachers were murdered in Newton before the criminal murdered the children.   They eliminate the greatest threat first.   The element of surprise when the owner pulls his gun from the nightstand or confronts a burglar on the stairs with his shotgun is imperative.  It can often save the life of the homeowner, and in many cases the criminal as they can see that a fight is futile.   I'd much rather have a criminal running out the front door after he sees my gun than have a shoot out in my living room.   If I can surprise the burglar with my gun we can both run different directions and get out of it alive.
 
2012-12-27 12:14:17 AM  

Triumph: Actually, there's a fair number of Ivy leaguers in the media these days, which never used to be the case.


i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-27 12:15:53 AM  

GAT_00: iq_in_binary: Put me and my roommate and girlfriend in danger

How?  Isn't the whole argument that if people know you have a gun you're safe?


No, because thieves like stealing firearms. Now you're just exposing my girlfriend to a dipshiat trying to break in when he thinks no one is home. I may be willing to shoot somebody, she's not.
 
2012-12-27 12:16:59 AM  

GAT_00: Kimothy: Have to admit that's one of the best arguments I've heard in favor of concealed carry. I know several people with CC's and they've never explained it this way. It's always been "if I have to kill someone..." arguments, which really suck.

And so if you carry to prevent being shot, isn't making everyone aware that you have a gun making that less likely?  Isn't publishing the names of everyone who owns a gun something gun owners would want?


How does CC prevent you from being shot? That's not what FM said at all.

And no, I don't think publishing the name and address of every gun owner is something anyone would want, necessarily. There are several great examples in this thread of why it shouldn't be done. I get that those are public records, but I think that goes against the nature of CC - those shouldn't be public records because that defeats the purpose of a  concealed carry permit. As for just registered gun owners, I understand why those are public records, too, but the way both the "news" and the idiot in the article are behaving is just asinine. I've seen kindergartners have a better fight than this "nyah nyah nyah I can do it too!" crap.
 
2012-12-27 12:22:30 AM  

Kimothy: How does CC prevent you from being shot? That's not what FM said at all.


You just tape it to the tactical armor that you wear everyday. It's right in the Field Manual.
 
2012-12-27 12:23:00 AM  

Kimothy: How does CC prevent you from being shot? That's not what FM said at all.


He never makes any substantive argument, he just parrots media talking points and re-engineers what others say in an attempt to make their cogent argument seem defective.

Probably a journalism student.

If you told him the sky was blue he would complain that big pharma causes bus fares to rise.
 
2012-12-27 12:23:13 AM  

GAT_00: Kimothy: Have to admit that's one of the best arguments I've heard in favor of concealed carry. I know several people with CC's and they've never explained it this way. It's always been "if I have to kill someone..." arguments, which really suck.

And so if you carry to prevent being shot, isn't making everyone aware that you have a gun making that less likely?  Isn't publishing the names of everyone who owns a gun something gun owners would want?


Not at all. I gave you my answer to this today in a thread that was green and then went red. I don't really feel like reposting it, but among most gun owners, I don't think I'm in the minority.
 
2012-12-27 12:26:04 AM  

GAT_00: iq_in_binary: Put me and my roommate and girlfriend in danger

How?  Isn't the whole argument that if people know you have a gun you're safe?


As a responsible gun owner you should do everything you can to avoid confrontation. The newspaper pointing out every legal gun owner in a few counties increases the chance of confrontation with someone that may be armed. This is America. We have crazy people everywhere and this issue is one that both sides are passionate about.

Our angry little friend may be going over the top, but he is right. The public scrutiny does raise the risk, however small it may be.
 
2012-12-27 12:26:18 AM  

feckingmorons: Rincewind53: It was all public information, Mr. ITG. All they did was put it on a map. If anyone had wanted to, they could have compiled this list at any point, at any time.

Just because you can do something does not mean you should do that thing.



THIS100.
 
2012-12-27 12:26:36 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Triumph: Actually, there's a fair number of Ivy leaguers in the media these days, which never used to be the case.

[Dude, wait, what?


William Randolph Hearst went to Harvard - he just wouldn't hire reporters who did, because he didn't pay them enough.
 
2012-12-27 12:27:42 AM  

Triumph: William Randolph Hearst went to Harvard - he just wouldn't hire reporters who did, because he didn't pay them enough.


So, you're referring to, like, 90 years ago when none of us were alive?
 
2012-12-27 12:29:48 AM  
Way to take the high road.

/idjits
 
2012-12-27 12:32:16 AM  
Oh man, so many addresses have been released now.  I wonder where I'm going to start sending those pizzas first.
 
2012-12-27 12:32:31 AM  
To various people,

The point I'm making is that pro-gun people always say guns stop crime, they make everyone safer, the whole nine yards.  You know the lines, I don't have to repeat them.  So knowing that this person has a gun must make them safer, right?

I should note that I actually do think this was an asshole thing of the paper to do, but I am fully using it to argue what I think are non-sensical pro-gun arguments about safety that have glaring holes in them.
 
2012-12-27 12:32:57 AM  
On a different note, is now a good time to start talking about the state of mental health care in this country, or are we still dead set on the whole 'gun' thing?
 
2012-12-27 12:33:43 AM  

violentsalvation: GAT_00: Kimothy: Have to admit that's one of the best arguments I've heard in favor of concealed carry. I know several people with CC's and they've never explained it this way. It's always been "if I have to kill someone..." arguments, which really suck.

And so if you carry to prevent being shot, isn't making everyone aware that you have a gun making that less likely?  Isn't publishing the names of everyone who owns a gun something gun owners would want?

Not at all. I gave you my answer to this today in a thread that was green and then went red. I don't really feel like reposting it, but among most gun owners, I don't think I'm in the minority.


It's simple. Letting the world know you are carrying a gun is the same as flexing your muscles, declaring you are the baddest mofo to walk the earth, and saying come at me bro. Sooner or later someone is going to take you up on it because they had a bad day and do not like the color of your shirt. Being descrete with your weapons is the responsible thing to do. Publishing lawful gun owners takes that descretion away from them with absolutley zero gain for anyone.
 
2012-12-27 12:36:08 AM  

NewportBarGuy: Triumph: William Randolph Hearst went to Harvard - he just wouldn't hire reporters who did, because he didn't pay them enough.

So, you're referring to, like, 90 years ago when none of us were alive?


Kind of - the Ivy League really moved into newspapers in the 70s and 80s. The greatest newspaper reporter ever, H.L. Mencken, never even went to college.
 
2012-12-27 12:37:22 AM  
I would think that any real journalist would respect the privacy of someone not directly making active news. Someone with an actual ax to grind or that wants to take advantage of a tragedy to get themselves noticed for their "work" shouldn't b surprised that they get some push back.
 
2012-12-27 12:42:56 AM  

GAT_00: To various people,

The point I'm making is that pro-gun people always say guns stop crime, they make everyone safer, the whole nine yards.  You know the lines, I don't have to repeat them.  So knowing that this person has a gun must make them safer, right?

I should note that I actually do think this was an asshole thing of the paper to do, but I am fully using it to argue what I think are non-sensical pro-gun arguments about safety that have glaring holes in them.


Someone on Fark was pushing this kind of thing the other day:

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2012-12-27 12:45:08 AM  

GAT_00: To various people,

The point I'm making is that pro-gun people always say guns stop crime, they make everyone safer, the whole nine yards.  You know the lines, I don't have to repeat them.  So knowing that this person has a gun must make them safer, right?

I should note that I actually do think this was an asshole thing of the paper to do, but I am fully using it to argue what I think are non-sensical pro-gun arguments about safety that have glaring holes in them.


Then why do people shoot at the police?  We all know they are carrying guns.

Your argument is absurd, you make broad sweeping generalizations about gun owners and you want to have it both ways by arguing for what the paper did and then saying you don't agree with it.

This is typical for you.  You never have a cogent argument and you draw conclusions that don't exist nor are they conclusions or argument that anyone else has made.   You could argue with yourself in an empty room and still come out second.
 
2012-12-27 12:45:44 AM  

Kimothy: Jesus, they're all farking children.


Done in one/came to say this.

All of you grow the f*ck up.
 
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