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2012-12-26 06:37:19 PM  
<sarcasm>
Of course! Who WOULDN'T want a Hindustan Ambassador?
</sarcasm>
 
2012-12-26 06:40:12 PM  

grampy: Of course! Who WOULDN'T want a Hindustan Ambassador?


Some folks like driving ridiculous crap ..... I am not one of them
 
2012-12-26 06:44:28 PM  
Several of them are Fords, so no.
 
2012-12-26 07:41:29 PM  
Some are Fords, so yes.
 
2012-12-26 07:43:24 PM  

El_Frijole_Blanco: grampy: Of course! Who WOULDN'T want a Hindustan Ambassador?

Some folks like driving ridiculous crap ..... I am not one of them


I can't begin to imagine how incredibly shiatty that car must be. A sub-$10k car based on a ridiculous 70 year old model build in a third world country. Why didn't they just start making Yugo's again?

Bob Falfa: Several of them are Fords, so no.


Of course they are. It's the only American car company worth a damn.
 
2012-12-26 07:50:07 PM  

El_Frijole_Blanco: grampy: Of course! Who WOULDN'T want a Hindustan Ambassador?

Some folks like driving ridiculous crap ..... I am not one of them


My money's on hipsters.
 
2012-12-26 08:32:53 PM  
Meh.

Supreme meh.
 
2012-12-26 08:35:23 PM  

El_Frijole_Blanco: grampy: Of course! Who WOULDN'T want a Hindustan Ambassador?

Some folks like driving ridiculous crap ..... I am not one of them


Odd list is odd.....

But, that Australian sports sedan does look kinda cool.

Personally, That particular list doesn't exactly reflect my perfect list of desired cars, there's no '87 Grand National on it.
 
2012-12-26 08:35:25 PM  
Desirable, you say?
Which ones of those has AWD, a hybrid diesel engine, manual transmission and navigation?
 
2012-12-26 08:36:55 PM  
Yessssss...because if I could have any car I wanted, with price not being a factor, I'd totally pick a Ford Focus.

What.

The.

Fark.
 
2012-12-26 08:42:34 PM  
No 662 HP GT500? List fails...
 
2012-12-26 08:50:01 PM  

I Like Bread: Desirable, you say?
Which ones of those has AWD, a hybrid diesel engine, manual transmission and navigation?


The hybrid with a manual isn't an option.
 
2012-12-26 08:54:55 PM  
I have an FR-S so I'm getting a kick
 
2012-12-26 08:57:12 PM  
Yeah kids, sorry. This list wasn't meant for you. Jalopnik car culture is quite a bit different than standard Car and Driver or Consumer Reports cool.

I Like Bread: Desirable, you say?
Which ones of those has AWD, a hybrid turbodiesel engine, manual transmission and navigation a hatchback?


So close. So, so close.
 
2012-12-26 09:01:41 PM  
Half of my cars are Fords, nearly half of this list is... Finally I'm on to something...

/That Aussie Ford intrigues me, the "Pontiac G8" started down there too, they are the two that the Supercars are based on.  Next years new cars include a Nissan and a Mercedes...  Imagine an E class in the Nationwide!?!
 
2012-12-26 09:01:54 PM  
I routinely enjoy my Morgan Three Wheeler on the open roadways, my while silken scarf flapping behind me as the wind races past my leather-framed goggles. I say, my penis hasn't worked in years, and I can barely remember where I live, but it's a jolly old time wot wot.
 
2012-12-26 09:09:35 PM  

maxximillian: I have an FR-S so I'm getting a kick


How is it? I was sort of surprised that they had it at #1, but then again, of all the actually attainable cars out there its the one id most like to own.
 
2012-12-26 09:10:30 PM  

I Like Bread: Desirable, you say?
Which ones of those has AWD, a hybrid diesel engine, manual transmission and navigation?


The Audi R12 isnt available yet.
 
2012-12-26 09:14:18 PM  

maxximillian: I have an FR-S so I'm getting a kick


Any reason you picked the FR-S over the BRZ? I realize they're the same car, but I'm jut wondering. IMHO, I'd take the Subaru just because I trust that brand more than Scion, but interested in what you think.
 
2012-12-26 09:15:35 PM  

catusr: Some are Fords, so yes.


Ford has been doing a great job lately, it seems. I'm liking their recent cars a LOT, and I think they're the only domestic car company that can compete with the foreign brands.
 
2012-12-26 09:15:37 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-26 09:23:43 PM  
Aside from the Hindustan Ambassador, those are all pretty nice cars.
 
2012-12-26 09:26:34 PM  

El_Frijole_Blanco: grampy: Of course! Who WOULDN'T want a Hindustan Ambassador?

Some folks like driving ridiculous crap ..... I am not one of them


Hell, isn't that one of Jalopniks core audience?

/Sometimes I have the desire to restomod an Opel GT
//But I know i'm a little insane
 
2012-12-26 09:32:43 PM  

Your_Huckleberry: El_Frijole_Blanco: grampy: Of course! Who WOULDN'T want a Hindustan Ambassador?

Some folks like driving ridiculous crap ..... I am not one of them

Odd list is odd.....

But, that Australian sports sedan does look kinda cool.

Personally, That particular list doesn't exactly reflect my perfect list of desired cars, there's no '87 Grand National on it.


In addition to performance Buicks I want a 96 Roadmaster
 
2012-12-26 09:47:28 PM  
I drove a friend's Boss 302 Mustang the other day, so I'm getting a kick....

I'm not that into muscle cars, but it was definitely a lot of fun.  The handling reminded me a lot of my old E36 M3.

Still, for close to $50K, I think I'd be buying a one or two year old Porsche Cayman S.
 
2012-12-26 10:04:50 PM  
The Focus ST? It's a nice enough runabout, but I'd rather have the RS.
 
2012-12-26 10:14:22 PM  
100% of people who drive Boss 302 are assholes. Period.
 
2012-12-26 10:18:58 PM  

r1niceboy: The Focus ST? It's a nice enough runabout, but I'd rather have the RS.


.......which isn't sold in the USA, sadly. So the ST will have to do, and I think it's a damn fine car.
 
2012-12-26 10:54:57 PM  
The Morgan looks pretty sweet, but, I'd rather see a 4 wheeled version.

The Boss 302 is nice, but my friend just snagged a 2013 Shelby that I like better.

The FPV Falcon sounds interesting

The SRT Viper is nice and all but there isn't anything I see in it that makes it stand out from previous SRT Vipers. At least not enough to put it on this list.

There are many more desireable cars than what are on this list.
 
2012-12-26 10:58:53 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: r1niceboy: The Focus ST? It's a nice enough runabout, but I'd rather have the RS.

.......which isn't sold in the USA, sadly. So the ST will have to do, and I think it's a damn fine car.


Most of the best cars Ford make aren't sold in the US.
 
2012-12-26 10:59:11 PM  
The cars were chosen by readers of Jalopnik.

Which makes subby's reaction a function of the same community that generated the list in the first place.


And that is why I absolutely loathe anyone who considers themselves a car enthusiast. It's a million different "DC vs Marvel" arguments that are terribly important to the people who all absolutely know what they're talking about for reals.
 
2012-12-26 11:00:37 PM  
Well, if you're into rear wheel drive hatchbacks this list is for you.
 
2012-12-26 11:13:51 PM  
I could do without the Pagani, and the Viper was more of a childhood dream. Other than that this list would mirror my own almost exactly.
 
2012-12-26 11:17:04 PM  

r1niceboy: HMS_Blinkin: r1niceboy: The Focus ST? It's a nice enough runabout, but I'd rather have the RS.

.......which isn't sold in the USA, sadly. So the ST will have to do, and I think it's a damn fine car.

Most of the best cars Ford make aren't sold in the US.


I am sadly aware of that. What I would do for a Focus RS or any of the high-performance Falcons. Oh well, at least we have the Focus ST and will soon have the Fiesta ST.
 
2012-12-26 11:21:34 PM  

SevenizGud: 100% of people who drive Boss 302 are assholes. Period.


Certainly those on the street, yes, but all of the Boss 302s I've seen at track days have had owners who were super cool guys - every one of them. I still have yet to be passed by a Mustang anything (Rousch, Kenne Bell, etc....), though. ;-)
 
2012-12-26 11:23:57 PM  

SevenizGud: 100% of people who drive Boss 302 are assholes. Period.


Just because you dont have one....


r1niceboy: The Focus ST? It's a nice enough runabout, but I'd rather have the RS.


I bought one recently for my daily...a ton of fun to drive, and pretty damn convenient. Been driving fast RWD 2-doors most of my life. Worth the investment.
 
2012-12-26 11:38:56 PM  
So the BMW M135i is basically the Mini Cooper?
 
2012-12-26 11:41:27 PM  
Not a terrible list.

Ford Focus ST - America finally gets the ballsy FWD (not an oxymoron) turbo hatchback that Europeans have been enjoying for years. Technically, the Mazdaspeed 3 and Volvo C30- which have been out for years- share the same platform as the last generation ST, but still.

BMW M135i - Because insanely fast RWD hatchback

Audi RS4 Avant - Because insanely fast AWD wagon. I mean, "estate".

Toyobaru - Because lightweight, relatively inexpensive RWD sports coupe and isn't a Miata.

If it was filled with more fast wagons, shooting brakes, and hatchbacks, it'd be perfect.

/C30 Owner
//multiple Rx-7 owner
///occasional jalop
////I have no taste
 
2012-12-26 11:43:11 PM  
#1 is spot-on. I've been coveting an FR-S since they were announced. I just don't want to trade my super-economical, already-paid-for xA in order to upgrade.
 
2012-12-27 12:10:38 AM  

fatalvenom: SevenizGud: 100% of people who drive Boss 302 are assholes. Period.

Just because you dont have one....


Him having one wouldn't change that percentage.
 
2012-12-27 12:20:12 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: maxximillian: I have an FR-S so I'm getting a kick

Any reason you picked the FR-S over the BRZ? I realize they're the same car, but I'm jut wondering. IMHO, I'd take the Subaru just because I trust that brand more than Scion, but interested in what you think.


It's easier to drift the FR-S. Softer springs, stiffer shocks. The BRZ just tends to understeer, which is going to be more familiar to previous Subaru owners. You're not going to go tail-first into the weeds if you even _think_ about lifting in a turn (pre-996 Porsche, Toyota MR2) but the Scion is definitely more reactive.

Also, if you live where there are snowflakes - or rain - for God's sake, yank the tires and get something else, anything else. They're A) summer and B) VERY high-breakaway. (They're categorized as "grand touring" on places like Tire Rack, which is code for "long tread life and nothing else positive". They're also one of the most expensive tires you can get for the car.) They're essentially Prius tires, and they have no place on a car like this, I don't care how "playful" it makes the experience.
 
2012-12-27 12:32:50 AM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: #1 is spot-on. I've been coveting an FR-S since they were announced. I just don't want to trade my super-economical, already-paid-for xA in order to upgrade.


Ditto, except mine's the xB. And Mrs. Q is talking about baby 3. I can still dream about the FR-S though, right?
 
2012-12-27 12:52:02 AM  

Infobahn: So the BMW M135i is basically the Mini Cooper?


With almost double the power, yes.
 
2012-12-27 01:02:47 AM  

taliesinwi: HMS_Blinkin: maxximillian: I have an FR-S so I'm getting a kick

Any reason you picked the FR-S over the BRZ? I realize they're the same car, but I'm jut wondering. IMHO, I'd take the Subaru just because I trust that brand more than Scion, but interested in what you think.

It's easier to drift the FR-S. Softer springs, stiffer shocks. The BRZ just tends to understeer, which is going to be more familiar to previous Subaru owners. You're not going to go tail-first into the weeds if you even _think_ about lifting in a turn (pre-996 Porsche, Toyota MR2) but the Scion is definitely more reactive.

Also, if you live where there are snowflakes - or rain - for God's sake, yank the tires and get something else, anything else. They're A) summer and B) VERY high-breakaway. (They're categorized as "grand touring" on places like Tire Rack, which is code for "long tread life and nothing else positive". They're also one of the most expensive tires you can get for the car.) They're essentially Prius tires, and they have no place on a car like this, I don't care how "playful" it makes the experience.



C'mon. The early year 2nd gen MR2's aren't TOO bad with lift off oversteer. At least the NA MR2s. Have you ever driven a 3rd gen Rx-7? I owned one for many many many years until the wife (grumble) finally had me part ways with her. Also had quite a few NA 2nd gens. I was absolutely in love with the handling of the Rx-7 platform and how connected it made me feel as a driver. It seems like FRS is a car that will satisfy my desire to have that again- input?

I'm like the other guy though. I'd have by now if it wasn't for ... certain interference.
 
2012-12-27 01:04:48 AM  
Except for the Viper and Toybaru twins (Subaru BRZ and Scion FRS) that list is pure fail. Jalopnik has become a worthless car site. The guys there are just dicks who like obscure crap. Their reviews are dripping with assholish attitude and they are dismissive of everybody.
 
2012-12-27 01:35:16 AM  

phuquetarde: Jalopnik has become a worthless car site. The guys there are just dicks who like obscure crap. Their reviews are dripping with assholish attitude and they are dismissive of everybody.


What are their Fark handles?
 
2012-12-27 03:35:58 AM  
Im thinking about the Scion, how hard is the ride compared to the c30, pedantics? You said you drive one, and i assumed you tried the Scion? I dont know if you have 18 inches on it or not.
 
2012-12-27 05:00:05 AM  
I'd still rather have a Dodge Stealth after all these years. But, I would settle for a Mitsubishi 3000 of course. I'm weird like that.
 
2012-12-27 07:02:25 AM  
This was the one I wanted:

i1240.photobucket.com

And I love it.
 
2012-12-27 07:30:28 AM  

Great_Milenko:

Of course they are. It's the only American car company worth a damn.


That says an awful lot.
 
2012-12-27 09:11:47 AM  

iron_city_ap: There are many more desireable cars than what are on this list.


Yeah, if they used sales figures to include the Focus, then I've got some bad news for them... no one really "desires" to own a compact Ford, they just can't afford anything better.
 
2012-12-27 09:48:57 AM  
I thought this looked pretty cool, and for sub $40k its very reasonable.
cache.jalopnik.com

And then I saw the back end.

www.morgan3wheeler.co.uk

Meh.
 
2012-12-27 10:32:27 AM  

MindStalker: I thought this looked pretty cool, and for sub $40k its very reasonable.
[cache.jalopnik.com image 640x360]

And then I saw the back end.

[www.morgan3wheeler.co.uk image 690x294]

Meh.


The Morgan is a cool idea but the 3-wheeler design on skinny tires just screams "deathtrap".
 
2012-12-27 10:45:20 AM  
They still make Vipers?
 
2012-12-27 10:47:56 AM  

abhorrent1: They still make Vipers?


They just started over.
 
2012-12-27 11:04:55 AM  
I wonder how much less he could care that an AMG classic would be more fun to drive than an Audi S4 Avant?
 
2012-12-27 11:30:37 AM  
List needs the Tesla Model S. Seriously. If you don't think it is a great car, you probably have a political axe to grind.
 
2012-12-27 11:38:35 AM  

Hollie Maea: List needs the Tesla Model S. Seriously. If you don't think it is a great car, you probably have a political axe to grind.


My opinion in it is that anyone who thinks it's awesome or thinks it's terrible probably has a political axe to grind. It has lots of cool pluses and plenty of problems, too
 
2012-12-27 12:18:39 PM  

The Muthaship: My opinion in it is that anyone who thinks it's awesome or thinks it's terrible probably has a political axe to grind. It has lots of cool pluses and plenty of problems, too


I have no axe to grind, but I know there are problems, even with consumer perception of its limitations.

If anyone was a candidate for that car, it was my father. I suggested it to him. I figured, since he doesn't travel by car much and put a fraction over 10k miles in 3 years on his leased 750iL, range and needing a charging station availability shouldn't really be an issue. A fully loaded, Model S Performance is right in line with the cost of his car of choice, his response, "What if I want to take a road trip?" which he never does. After pointing that out to him, point to his wife's car, and pointing to a picture of his boat and reminding him that he lives in a state surrounded by water, "I'd still rather be able to take one if I want to" and proceeded to sign another lease for another 7.

Thus the problem. Even someone who is an ideal candidate for such a vehicle still sees a shortcoming. Even if the shortcoming is one that would not affect him in the least.
 
2012-12-27 01:52:15 PM  

The Muthaship: Hollie Maea: List needs the Tesla Model S. Seriously. If you don't think it is a great car, you probably have a political axe to grind.

My opinion in it is that anyone who thinks it's awesome or thinks it's terrible probably has a political axe to grind. It has lots of cool pluses and plenty of problems, too


What are the main problems, as you see it? Serious question, I just am interested in your perspective.
 
2012-12-27 01:57:56 PM  

Bruce Campbell: "What if I want to take a road trip?"


If you get the highest battery size option (yes, yes I know it's not cheap. The list was desirable cars not value ones) then even the proverbial "Trip to Yellowstone" wouldn't be a problem, if there was a DC quickcharger on your route. You could easily drive it 600 miles in a day, only stopping once to charge for less than an hour (lunch stop, for instance).
 
2012-12-27 02:25:48 PM  

Bruce Campbell: The Muthaship: My opinion in it is that anyone who thinks it's awesome or thinks it's terrible probably has a political axe to grind. It has lots of cool pluses and plenty of problems, too

I have no axe to grind, but I know there are problems, even with consumer perception of its limitations.

If anyone was a candidate for that car, it was my father. I suggested it to him. I figured, since he doesn't travel by car much and put a fraction over 10k miles in 3 years on his leased 750iL, range and needing a charging station availability shouldn't really be an issue. A fully loaded, Model S Performance is right in line with the cost of his car of choice, his response, "What if I want to take a road trip?" which he never does. After pointing that out to him, point to his wife's car, and pointing to a picture of his boat and reminding him that he lives in a state surrounded by water, "I'd still rather be able to take one if I want to" and proceeded to sign another lease for another 7.

Thus the problem. Even someone who is an ideal candidate for such a vehicle still sees a shortcoming. Even if the shortcoming is one that would not affect him in the least.


Mark the car up by 5K and offer a heavily discounted to free rental program where you borrow some gas car if you want to go on a trip, while your gone your car gets a maintenance check, etc.
 
2012-12-27 02:39:52 PM  

Hollie Maea: If you get the highest battery size option (yes, yes I know it's not cheap. The list was desirable cars not value ones) then even the proverbial "Trip to Yellowstone" wouldn't be a problem, if there was a DC quickcharger on your route. You could easily drive it 600 miles in a day, only stopping once to charge for less than an hour (lunch stop, for instance).


I had already assumed the 85kw as the option since that is about the same price point as his current car.
300 miles is the MAX battery distance on the 85kw in range mode, there aren't any supercharging stations within range since there are only 8 in the country. Hotels do not have much accommodation for EVs yet either.
 
2012-12-27 02:48:25 PM  

Bruce Campbell: Hollie Maea: If you get the highest battery size option (yes, yes I know it's not cheap. The list was desirable cars not value ones) then even the proverbial "Trip to Yellowstone" wouldn't be a problem, if there was a DC quickcharger on your route. You could easily drive it 600 miles in a day, only stopping once to charge for less than an hour (lunch stop, for instance).

I had already assumed the 85kw as the option since that is about the same price point as his current car.
300 miles is the MAX battery distance on the 85kw in range mode, there aren't any supercharging stations within range since there are only 8 in the country. Hotels do not have much accommodation for EVs yet either.


That'll be true for another 6 months tops.
 
2012-12-27 03:57:57 PM  

Hollie Maea: That'll be true for another 6 months tops.


Tesla saying 6 months about anything is like the contractors in "The Money Pit" saying 2 weeks. The Model S was supposed to be a 2010 production vehicle.
 
2012-12-27 04:17:07 PM  
Some of you talk a lot of shiat. I've ridden in many Ambassador's and they aren't bad. Think of this for a second - they are used for Taxi service in a country with shiatty roads full of bricks and holes and cows, yet somehow rack up umpteen million of miles. IF IT AINT BROKE DON'T FIX IT.

Some of us like classic cars. To think you can buy a classic car BRAND NEW with updated features (like AC) for 9000$ is very tempting. You could take the thing offroading and aside from ground clearance issues it would survive better than most SUV's you tools drive around.
 
2012-12-28 07:16:59 AM  

Hollie Maea: What are the main problems, as you see it?


Besides battery only power being a dead end technology, the batteries in the Tesla's brick (die for good if fully discharged, stranding the driver and costing $40k to replace). Also, the battery is massively heavy, and its placement effects handling adversely.

Still cool cars, but there are drawbacks. Their reliability hasn't been great, but since they are still fairly new, that's forgivable.
 
2012-12-28 10:20:57 AM  

The Muthaship: Hollie Maea: What are the main problems, as you see it?

Besides battery only power being a dead end technology, the batteries in the Tesla's brick (die for good if fully discharged, stranding the driver and costing $40k to replace). Also, the battery is massively heavy, and its placement effects handling adversely.

Still cool cars, but there are drawbacks. Their reliability hasn't been great, but since they are still fairly new, that's forgivable.


Ah, three "reasons". Let's see what you've got.

1. battery only power being a dead end technology WTF. This isn't a reason at all. It's a half assed attempt at a philosophical statement/prophesy of the future. You can't prove it right and I can't prove it wrong, since that would require knowledge of the future. However, I would feel pretty secure wagering against it. You can make a lot of money betting against people who haven't researched what they are talking about. Which brings me to...

2. the batteries in the Tesla's brick (die for good if fully discharged, stranding the driver and costing $40k to replace). No they don't. Congratulations! You read a breathy hysterical FUD article that came out a year ago, before the Model S even came out. What you are describing is not a problem for the Model S--you can drive it around the airport parking lot until it stops running and then leave it there for a month and it still won't be bricked. Better continue to watch out, though--you can still "brick" your ICE car if you forget to put the bolt back in your oil pan when you change the oil, and then drive off without noticing a gallon of oil on your driveway.

3. Also, the battery is massively heavy, and its placement effects handling adversely. Don't be ridiculous. The battery is distributed throughout the car at a low height. The car handles extremely well. (Can your car complete the slalom course at 67mph? You can't just make something up and say it's true because you want it to be.

As I expected, you've got nothing. Come back when you have something real based on real facts rather than on the fevered imaginings of your addled mind. I doubt you are going to have much luck with that.
 
2012-12-28 10:28:43 AM  

Hollie Maea: As I expected, you've got nothing.


Wow, you really did just want an honest opinion, and you clearly have no axe to grind.

Glad to hear they fixed the bricking on the S. I really would like to see it succeed. I think you can prove battery only power is a dead end technology, though. Unless the charging stations become vastly more common and much quicker. Last I read, the fast charge on most electric cars (which still took something like 30 minutes) shortens the life of the battery significantly. The cost of early replacement results in making them prohibitively expensive. They are a net move backward in mobility. I doubt people will fully embrace that. I think hydrogen is a much better avenue.

And my car slaloms at 74.7 mph. There's a pretty pic of it upthread.
 
2012-12-28 11:31:37 AM  

The Muthaship: Wow, you really did just want an honest opinion, and you clearly have no axe to grind.


I did want an honest opinion. You provided nothing of the sort. None of the stuff you said was backed up with facts and citations, and you could have discovered that they were wrong with 2 minutes on google. You chose not to check your assertions. That's not intellectually honest. Even now you are trying to use PRESENT drawbacks of battery technology to call it a "dead end techonlogy" (a FUTURE judgement). That's not intellectually honest.

And my car slaloms at 74.7 mph. There's a pretty pic of it upthread.

The bat wings on the back help with the cornering?
 
2012-12-28 04:48:41 PM  

Hollie Maea: The bat wings on the back help with the cornering?


Even that one can be up and running minutes after running out of fuel.
 
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