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2012-12-27 02:04:58 AM
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CujoQuarrel: Wayne 985: Gyrfalcon: Authorities recovered 53 assault weapons, 791 handguns, 527 rifles, 302 shotguns and one anti-tank rocket launcher.

Man, I HATE articles that don't give us more details. Because WHO THE F*CK had an anti-tank rocket launcher and what did the cops say/do/think when someone hauled that out of the trunk of his car?

Yeah, it's not the first time either. I've seen a few of these articles over the years where some weirdo shows up with a rocket launcher or some other anti-armor weaponry.

Most rocket launchers (like a RPG) are mostly just a pipe with a bit of mechanics to trigger the rocket.

If you don't have any rockets , which are much harder to get than the launchers, the the only way you could hurt someone with it is by taking it and hitting them on the head ....


Most of the time the "anti tank rocket launchers" are just the tube from a M72 LAW, DRMO surplussed a bunch of em in the late 80/early 90s and you still see em pop up now and then, as they were one shot and non reloadable they are harmless collectors items, the only ones that are even remotely dangerous were a few training launchers with reloadable subcaliber rockets, since they were not considered destructive devices a small quantity of them were sold, however the subcaliber rockets had a spotting charge in the nose that could ruin your day if you were hit and so were quickly pulled from the authorized surplus lists , so they are rare as hens teeth now.
2012-12-27 01:52:00 AM
2 votes:

thisispete: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares


"those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't"
2012-12-27 09:22:44 PM
1 votes:

fusillade762: Pics of the rocket launchers (in case that thread goes red)

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Funny, they said they brought in how many guns again?

Yet all I see are a few AKMs, a G3 clone, a couple old AR-15s, what MIGHT be a TEC-9, some M1 variants, and a couple old tubes you could get from the milsurp store because they are deactivated.

What I suspect is missing is the hundreds and hundreds of barrel guns that aren't worth even half of what people got paid for them.
2012-12-27 10:18:39 AM
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: stevarooni: FTFA: Since the inception of the program in 2009, there has been a 39 percent drop in gang crimes and 33 percent drop in shots fired calls, translating into 241 fewer people shot in the city, according to the mayor's office.

Tell us, Mr. Mayor, just how effective is your tiger-warding stone? :-P

It's almost as if there was a major FBI initiative in 2009 targeting US gangs that resulted in over 2000 busts in two years and over 200 RICO indictments, both those numbers being about four times the total of the preceding three years, gutting organized crime operations in all 50 states, but most dramatically in large urban centers of gang activity like LA and Houston, which have seen their rates plummet dramatically in the last three years both for violent crime in general and gang complaints especially as the gangsters find it wise to lay low.

But nah, clearly it's the annual gun buybacks that have been going on since the '90s and never had any appreciable effect from 1995-2008. Clearly there's just a decade or so of lag before the impact is really felt, y'know?


In todays environment of inevitably dropping crime (due to the aging of the Boomers) you can claim success for ANY anti-crime measure that has been taken. It's all going to go away in ten or fifteen years anyway. The Boomers will die, the immigrants will come, and socity will be younger. Younger population=more crime. It'll be funny watching all the "geniuses" explain why their handy-dandy crime solution suddenly isn't working anymore.
2012-12-27 09:44:08 AM
1 votes:

stevarooni: FTFA: Since the inception of the program in 2009, there has been a 39 percent drop in gang crimes and 33 percent drop in shots fired calls, translating into 241 fewer people shot in the city, according to the mayor's office.

Tell us, Mr. Mayor, just how effective is your tiger-warding stone? :-P


It's almost as if there was a major FBI initiative in 2009 targeting US gangs that resulted in over 2000 busts in two years and over 200 RICO indictments, both those numbers being about four times the total of the preceding three years, gutting organized crime operations in all 50 states, but most dramatically in large urban centers of gang activity like LA and Houston, which have seen their rates plummet dramatically in the last three years both for violent crime in general and gang complaints especially as the gangsters find it wise to lay low.

But nah, clearly it's the annual gun buybacks that have been going on since the '90s and never had any appreciable effect from 1995-2008. Clearly there's just a decade or so of lag before the impact is really felt, y'know?
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2012-12-27 08:53:32 AM
1 votes:
ManicParroT : Pretty sure Adam Lanza would have killed less people if he'd been toting a .50 bolt action rifle instead of a semi-auto rifle.

Use the right tools for the job. If he had gone with a high powered long-ranged weapon like that, he probably wouldn't have taken out 20 6YOs all at once, but he might have gone on a killing spree that lasted weeks before they caught him.

Funny thing about murder from half a mile away - By the time the police even start looking off-scene for the shooter, he's already packed up and sipping coffee in a nearby diner. Though, the body count grows quite a bit slower that way, too - But it really freaks people out, not knowing when they could just randomly discover a 6" hole in their chest.

Consider the beltway snipers - They only got caught by having a conspicuous vehicle and a good bit of luck by the feds. If they drove a silver Honda Civic instead, they could still have their spree going today.
2012-12-27 08:28:12 AM
1 votes:

BadReligion: Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?

Bolt-action is fine.

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So ehow I think you could do much more damage with this bolt action rifle than a 5.56mm AR-15.


Pretty sure Adam Lanza would have killed less people if he'd been toting a .50 bolt action rifle instead of a semi-auto rifle.
2012-12-27 03:01:25 AM
1 votes:

Pribar: Wayne 985: Dimensio: For what reason, then, do you oppose civilian ownership of a multitude of rifle models used for hunting?

You don't need an AR-15 to hunt deer.

I don't need a BMW M5 to drive to work with either, you wanna ban them too? they are more dangerous than any black gun on the market


Your BMW requires mandatory safety testing and insurance, for starters. It also has a beneficial purpose.
2012-12-27 02:25:20 AM
1 votes:

Wayne 985: Dimensio: Civilian-marketed AR-15 rifles do not feature select-fire capability and thus by definition cannot be classified as "assault rifles".

By that rationale, the Bushmaster used in Sandy Hook wasn't an assault rifle.


You are correct; it was not.
2012-12-27 02:23:25 AM
1 votes:

Wayne 985: BadReligion: Wayne 985: universebetween: all the guns are melted down. how sad

I'm happy with it, depending on what they are. Locked away in a safe someplace, my mother has an AR-15 that she inherited after my father died. If it belonged to me, I'd give it to one of these programs to be destroyed.

That is dumb. AR-15's are worth minimum $500 on the secondary market. Sell it using an FFL to do the transfer(so there is a background check) and you will make a minimum of $200, and one of your fathers possessions won't be needlessly destroyed. Or are you afraid of it because it is an evil black rifle?

I'm skeptical there should be civilian ownership of assault rifles, and if I'm going to apply that to other people, I'll apply it to myself as well.


Civilian-marketed AR-15 rifles do not feature select-fire capability and thus by definition cannot be classified as "assault rifles".
2012-12-27 01:52:27 AM
1 votes:

Wayne 985: Gyrfalcon: Authorities recovered 53 assault weapons, 791 handguns, 527 rifles, 302 shotguns and one anti-tank rocket launcher.

Man, I HATE articles that don't give us more details. Because WHO THE F*CK had an anti-tank rocket launcher and what did the cops say/do/think when someone hauled that out of the trunk of his car?

Yeah, it's not the first time either. I've seen a few of these articles over the years where some weirdo shows up with a rocket launcher or some other anti-armor weaponry.


Most rocket launchers (like a RPG) are mostly just a pipe with a bit of mechanics to trigger the rocket.

If you don't have any rockets , which are much harder to get than the launchers, the the only way you could hurt someone with it is by taking it and hitting them on the head ....
2012-12-27 01:26:24 AM
1 votes:

AnyName: stevarooni: Sell it to a dealer or someone else you're sure isn't a felon or out-of-stater; in the current fervor, you ought to be able to beat $200, easy.

I took it to a dealer and they weren't interested. It's was a complete piece of crap even when new and is worthless. The barrel is heavily rusted and I'd be afraid if it did manage to fire it would hurt the person shooting it.

How the heck do you safely dispose of old guns/ammo?


Toss it off a bridge. Pretend you just performed a service as a hitman for hire and you're ensuring the murder weapon will never be found.
2012-12-27 12:58:09 AM
1 votes:
So what happens to these guns after their turned in? The thought of a Colt Python being tossed into a compactor or smelter makes me cry.
2012-12-27 12:54:06 AM
1 votes:

stevarooni: FTFA: Since the inception of the program in 2009, there has been a 39 percent drop in gang crimes and 33 percent drop in shots fired calls, translating into 241 fewer people shot in the city, according to the mayor's office.

Tell us, Mr. Mayor, just how effective is your tiger-warding stone? :-P


None of which has anything to do with fun buy back programs. Which do absolutely nothing to decrease crime.
2012-12-27 12:45:21 AM
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Authorities recovered 53 assault weapons, 791 handguns, 527 rifles, 302 shotguns and one anti-tank rocket launcher.

Man, I HATE articles that don't give us more details. Because WHO THE F*CK had an anti-tank rocket launcher and what did the cops say/do/think when someone hauled that out of the trunk of his car?
 
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