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2012-12-27 03:05:12 AM

Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So the lever/bolt action guns that use magazines and are deadlier than the AR15 are still ok? Cool.

Didn't I address this already? I'm not re-reading the whole thread, but if a bolt-action, for example, has a small clip, then who cares?

And if you're going to shoot up a school, do you really think a Winchester 70 is going to be more deadly than a Bushmaster?


But not all bolt actions have small magazines... there are a few that actually use the same mags as AR15s.

If I was going to be shot I would prefer to be hit by .223 and not .308.
 
2012-12-27 03:06:22 AM

Dimensio: Most would look down on it, but if you went somewhere with lax rules, they may let you use a shotgun with a capacity of more than 2, as long as you didn't fire more than 2 shots per pair.

The smallest magazine that I own for it holds five rounds, though nothing would prevent me from loading only two rounds into it.


you can always go out to an unincorporated area out of town with a buddy, a thrower and a case of clay pigeons and do whatever the hell you want (as long as it's done safely)
 
2012-12-27 03:07:20 AM

Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So the lever/bolt action guns that use magazines and are deadlier than the AR15 are still ok? Cool.

Didn't I address this already? I'm not re-reading the whole thread, but if a bolt-action, for example, has a small clip, then who cares?

And if you're going to shoot up a school, do you really think a Winchester 70 is going to be more deadly than a Bushmaster?


What about the Barrett .50 cal bolt rifle with a 5 round magazine? That is much more potentially deadly that any AR15 in 5.56, but it meets all of your previously stated criteria.
 
2012-12-27 03:08:15 AM

CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: I grew up off Craig and Clayton, that pig farm smell is strong with the right wind. I used to go to CCSP, but got a membership to the Desert Hills Shooting Club in Boulder City, and go there now. They have a world class clay pigeon course out there. I have killed a lot of clay with my semi automatic Browning Silver Hunter 12 gauge.

It is still strong and I'm a few miles east of it. I have no pity for the people who moved into the communities surrounding it. CCSP is finally building their sporting clays range, it's supposed to be done in the spring, so expect it to be done by winter 2014. I keep meaning to try the trap lanes out there. I don't have a trap gun, but a pair of Mossberg tacticals that would be fun to try.

Shooting trap with a pump shotgun is fun for a second, than gets frustrating. You really need either an over/under or a semi auto to really have any chance of hitting any pairs.

One of my Mossys is a 930 SPX semiauto. Surprisingly accurate gun for a shotty and fun as hell to shoot.


That would probably be just fine, as long as you had the right choke.
 
2012-12-27 03:11:12 AM

Wayne 985: Pribar: Wayne 985: Dimensio: For what reason, then, do you oppose civilian ownership of a multitude of rifle models used for hunting?

You don't need an AR-15 to hunt deer.

I don't need a BMW M5 to drive to work with either, you wanna ban them too? they are more dangerous than any black gun on the market

Your BMW requires mandatory safety testing and insurance, for starters. It also has a beneficial purpose.


Firearms have mandatory safety features, like cars and you have admitted that firearms serve a beneficial purpose

Wayne 985: No. I don't have interest in banning sensible weapons for home/self defense or hunting



so in reality all you are interested in is getting rid of something that looks scary?
 
2012-12-27 03:13:04 AM

BadReligion: One of my Mossys is a 930 SPX semiauto. Surprisingly accurate gun for a shotty and fun as hell to shoot.

That would probably be just fine, as long as you had the right choke.


She's a tactical shotgun, only choke is the barrel itself. I may have to borrow the wife's 20-gauge.
 
2012-12-27 03:15:19 AM

Pribar: so in reality all you are interested in is getting rid of something that looks scary?


If the thing is in good shape and from a reputable manufacturer, I'll take it out of his life and give it a good home. I'll take it outside, clean it, lube it and let it spend time with others of its own kind.
 
2012-12-27 03:15:52 AM

CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: One of my Mossys is a 930 SPX semiauto. Surprisingly accurate gun for a shotty and fun as hell to shoot.

That would probably be just fine, as long as you had the right choke.

She's a tactical shotgun, only choke is the barrel itself. I may have to borrow the wife's 20-gauge.

Yeah, you want the shot to spread out a nice amount, otherwise you won't hit too much.
 
2012-12-27 03:16:04 AM

Pribar: CthulhuCalling: 'assault weapon' is a political term for an Evil Black Rifle (EBR), and are classified as such entirely on cosmetic criteria. Your AR-15 is NO different from a Ruger 10/22, except that the Ruger has a nice, non-threatening wooden stock.

The Rugers and M1A style rifles, despite being "legitimate sporting rifles" under almost any states "assault weapon" laws are actually more dangerous than any of the evil black rifles that hysterical people like Wayne 985 want to ban because of how easy they are to actually jury rig into a real assault weapon...


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Whats the purpose of using string to tie the action open? seems to be a stupid way to make a gun lock, anyone can cut it and use the gun.
 
2012-12-27 03:16:19 AM
some assault rifles.." "

one "rocket launcher" which may have been real or not. (note only when it fits your agenda are the police not lying)

and the rest are rusted out Lorcins or other PoS that were worth less than $100 in the first place
 
2012-12-27 03:19:57 AM

master luthier: Pribar: CthulhuCalling: 'assault weapon' is a political term for an Evil Black Rifle (EBR), and are classified as such entirely on cosmetic criteria. Your AR-15 is NO different from a Ruger 10/22, except that the Ruger has a nice, non-threatening wooden stock.

The Rugers and M1A style rifles, despite being "legitimate sporting rifles" under almost any states "assault weapon" laws are actually more dangerous than any of the evil black rifles that hysterical people like Wayne 985 want to ban because of how easy they are to actually jury rig into a real assault weapon...


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Whats the purpose of using string to tie the action open? seems to be a stupid way to make a gun lock, anyone can cut it and use the gun.


It's a ghetto way of making a semiautomatic rifle into something that shoots like an auto. I don't know if it's a joke or a genuine hack, but I have heard stories that BATFE considered it to be a true conversion and therefore, illegal.
 
2012-12-27 03:21:39 AM

Benjamin Orr: But not all bolt actions have small magazines... there are a few that actually use the same mags as AR15s.


We're going in circles. I've already addressed large mags/clips.

BadReligion: What about the Barrett .50 cal bolt rifle with a 5 round magazine? That is much more potentially deadly that any AR15 in 5.56, but it meets all of your previously stated criteria.


No one likes a smartass, friend. A bazooka fires one round at a time, but no sensible person is okay with selling those to civilians either.. In the same vein, I'm not okay with selling anti-material rifles.

Pribar: I don't need a BMW M5 to drive to work with either, you wanna ban them too? they are more dangerous than any black gun on the market

Your BMW requires mandatory safety testing and insurance, for starters. It also has a beneficial purpose.

Firearms have mandatory safety features, like cars


Two different things. A mandatory safety feature in a car is something like a seat belt. I was talking about safety testing. If you think guns should be regulated the same as cars, I might be inclined to agree with you.

and you have admitted that firearms serve a beneficial purpose

It depends on the gun.

/Off to sleep.
 
2012-12-27 03:22:28 AM

master luthier: Pribar: CthulhuCalling: 'assault weapon' is a political term for an Evil Black Rifle (EBR), and are classified as such entirely on cosmetic criteria. Your AR-15 is NO different from a Ruger 10/22, except that the Ruger has a nice, non-threatening wooden stock.

The Rugers and M1A style rifles, despite being "legitimate sporting rifles" under almost any states "assault weapon" laws are actually more dangerous than any of the evil black rifles that hysterical people like Wayne 985 want to ban because of how easy they are to actually jury rig into a real assault weapon...


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Whats the purpose of using string to tie the action open? seems to be a stupid way to make a gun lock, anyone can cut it and use the gun.


I was guessing that it made it act like a full auto somehow
 
2012-12-27 03:24:43 AM

Wayne 985: Two different things. A mandatory safety feature in a car is something like a seat belt. I was talking about safety testing. If you think guns should be regulated the same as cars, I might be inclined to agree with you.


A mandatory safety feature in a gun is something like a bar safety which prevents the striker or firing pin from being able to strike the primer unless the beavertail is fully depressed. Such safeties are required in certain states, and have been tested thoroughly by both the regulating state agencies and the manufacturers. Unless you're thinking about putting seatbelts and airbags on a 1911?
 
2012-12-27 03:24:48 AM

CthulhuCalling: master luthier: Pribar: CthulhuCalling: 'assault weapon' is a political term for an Evil Black Rifle (EBR), and are classified as such entirely on cosmetic criteria. Your AR-15 is NO different from a Ruger 10/22, except that the Ruger has a nice, non-threatening wooden stock.

The Rugers and M1A style rifles, despite being "legitimate sporting rifles" under almost any states "assault weapon" laws are actually more dangerous than any of the evil black rifles that hysterical people like Wayne 985 want to ban because of how easy they are to actually jury rig into a real assault weapon...


[i135.photobucket.com image 750x600]

Whats the purpose of using string to tie the action open? seems to be a stupid way to make a gun lock, anyone can cut it and use the gun.

It's a ghetto way of making a semiautomatic rifle into something that shoots like an auto. I don't know if it's a joke or a genuine hack, but I have heard stories that BATFE considered it to be a true conversion and therefore, illegal.


It's a joke. There are far easier way to get yourself a full auto M1 type rifle. Except for the M1 Carbine, pretty much every M1 type rifle can be tuned into a full auto by removing the secondary sear. The M14 select fire mechanism is basically a disconnect of the secondary sear, nothing more.
 
2012-12-27 03:28:24 AM
Wayne 985:

BadReligion: What about the Barrett .50 cal bolt rifle with a 5 round magazine? That is much more potentially deadly that any AR15 in 5.56, but it meets all of your previously stated criteria.

No one likes a smartass, friend. A bazooka fires one round at a time, but no sensible person is okay with selling those to civilians either.. In the same vein, I'm not okay with selling anti-material rifles.


The rifle I posted is perfectly legal, and met all of your previous guild lines of things you found "acceptable". How does that make me a smart ass? Is it because I pretty much pointed out that you are scared of arbitrary features of guns that have little to do with their potential lethality? Also, a bazooka is not legal, it is considered to be a destructive device by the ATF. A Barrett .50 is not in the same league.
 
2012-12-27 03:36:09 AM

BadReligion: Also, a bazooka is not legal, it is considered to be a destructive device by the ATF. A Barrett .50 is not in the same league.


I'm pretty sure you can buy a bazooka if you held a Class III license, and did all the appropriate chicken waving for the ATF (application, tax stamps ,etc). I think six months is the average time to get your "Mother may I?" permission. What I find hilarious is that every gun-control advocate to a person, always goes to the "tank, bazooka, nuke" hyperbole.
 
2012-12-27 03:40:56 AM

CujoQuarrel: master luthier: Pribar: CthulhuCalling: 'assault weapon' is a political term for an Evil Black Rifle (EBR), and are classified as such entirely on cosmetic criteria. Your AR-15 is NO different from a Ruger 10/22, except that the Ruger has a nice, non-threatening wooden stock.

The Rugers and M1A style rifles, despite being "legitimate sporting rifles" under almost any states "assault weapon" laws are actually more dangerous than any of the evil black rifles that hysterical people like Wayne 985 want to ban because of how easy they are to actually jury rig into a real assault weapon...


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Whats the purpose of using string to tie the action open? seems to be a stupid way to make a gun lock, anyone can cut it and use the gun.

I was guessing that it made it act like a full auto somehow


what it does is on the first pull of the ring on the end of the string the trigger is pulled, the bolt flies rearward, ejecting the spent round and allowing slack in the line, this allows the trigger to return forward and reset the sear, the bolt then goes forward chambering a new round and pulling the string tight tripping the trigger again repeating the process, the problem is getting the string tight enough to pull the trigger on each bolt movement without getting it so tight that it stops the bolt from fully seating on the next round, on some firearms the rig can trip the trigger while the bolt is still open, sending bits of shell casing spraying back in the shooters face.
The ATFE also considers tying a string like that a illegal modification of the rifle, claiming that the ring becomes the new trigger and allows multiple shots on one "trigger pull", getting caught doing that can put you away on a felony conviction for a 5 year min streach, so don't do it
 
2012-12-27 03:44:31 AM

CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: Also, a bazooka is not legal, it is considered to be a destructive device by the ATF. A Barrett .50 is not in the same league.

I'm pretty sure you can buy a bazooka if you held a Class III license, and did all the appropriate chicken waving for the ATF (application, tax stamps ,etc). I think six months is the average time to get your "Mother may I?" permission. What I find hilarious is that every gun-control advocate to a person, always goes to the "tank, bazooka, nuke" hyperbole.


Yeah, if you can find someone to sell you one legally, as with any other class III weapon. Still, It is considered a Destructive Device, which the ATF seems to define as any small arm over .50 cal(except black powder and long barreled shotguns), and explosive arms. Plus other weird things like suppressors, short barreled rifles, and short barreled shotguns are also considered class III.
 
2012-12-27 03:46:44 AM

Pribar: felony conviction for a 5 year min streach stretch, so don't do it


Damn time for me to go to bed if I am making that kind of spelling mistakes.
 
2012-12-27 03:47:19 AM

violentsalvation: A friend has a .22 that pops out of his belt-buckle. It's like a holster in a way. I don't think they're illegal everywhere. While looking around at them online I found this Nazi one that actually shoots from the belt.

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Link
Damn crafty Nazis.


I want that so bad.
 
2012-12-27 03:49:01 AM

AnyName: stevarooni: Sell it to a dealer or someone else you're sure isn't a felon or out-of-stater; in the current fervor, you ought to be able to beat $200, easy.

I took it to a dealer and they weren't interested. It's was a complete piece of crap even when new and is worthless. The barrel is heavily rusted and I'd be afraid if it did manage to fire it would hurt the person shooting it.

How the heck do you safely dispose of old guns/ammo?


I used to have a revolver I gained the same way, found in a renovated house. It would not advance and, when checking around, it wasn't worth fixing and wasn't worth much for parts. I called up the cops and said I wanted to dispose of it but didn't want anyone to find it since it could still fire a round. I had to talk to several people before I found somebody who knew what was up. They told me to bring it in and they give you a short form to fill out before taking it off your hands.
 
2012-12-27 03:50:07 AM

Aces and Eights: Gyrfalcon: Authorities recovered 53 assault weapons, 791 handguns, 527 rifles, 302 shotguns and one anti-tank rocket launcher.

Man, I HATE articles that don't give us more details. Because WHO THE F*CK had an anti-tank rocket launcher and what did the cops say/do/think when someone hauled that out of the trunk of his car?

And did they sell the two pocket pistols worth $2000? Why mention the dollar value? If they sold them, that's not exactly getting them off the streets, now is it?

And I also wonder if they didn't just take that rocket launcher for a quick spin when the event was over. Just to try it out. Just once, before it was smelted into plowshares.


you know very well its picnic day for Captain and his cronies when jackasses turn in the toys. everything everywhere is corrupt. when cops are involved, doubly so.
 
2012-12-27 03:54:08 AM
1. Use gun until it's worthless.
2. Take to buyback program.
3. Get $$$$.
4. Buy new gun.
5. Rinse, repeat.
 
2012-12-27 03:57:59 AM

BadReligion: Plus other weird things like suppressors, short barreled rifles, and short barreled shotguns are also considered class III.


Suppressors... those are one of those weird in between things. You don't need to be a Class III licensee, but you pretty much have to go through just about everything else a C3 does to get one.
 
2012-12-27 03:59:26 AM

BadReligion: Wayne 985:

BadReligion: What about the Barrett .50 cal bolt rifle with a 5 round magazine? That is much more potentially deadly that any AR15 in 5.56, but it meets all of your previously stated criteria.

No one likes a smartass, friend. A bazooka fires one round at a time, but no sensible person is okay with selling those to civilians either.. In the same vein, I'm not okay with selling anti-material rifles.

The rifle I posted is perfectly legal, and met all of your previous guild lines of things you found "acceptable". How does that make me a smart ass? Is it because I pretty much pointed out that you are scared of arbitrary features of guns that have little to do with their potential lethality? Also, a bazooka is not legal, it is considered to be a destructive device by the ATF. A Barrett .50 is not in the same league.


Actually you can buy destructive devices so long as they have the tax stamp.
 
2012-12-27 04:01:54 AM

CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: Plus other weird things like suppressors, short barreled rifles, and short barreled shotguns are also considered class III.

Suppressors... those are one of those weird in between things. You don't need to be a Class III licensee, but you pretty much have to go through just about everything else a C3 does to get one.


Which is stupid. What next, requiring NFA stamps for ear plugs?

Farking morons should have never bought the Hollywood hysteria around them.
 
2012-12-27 04:03:50 AM
Aces and Eights:
And I also wonder if they didn't just take that rocket launcher for a quick spin when the event was over. Just to try it out. Just once, before it was smelted into plowshares.

the trick is finding rockets for said rocket launcher. You can't excatly go to Hobby Town and load up on Estes rocket engines. Without rockets, all you have is a pipe.
 
2012-12-27 04:08:03 AM

iq_in_binary: CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: Plus other weird things like suppressors, short barreled rifles, and short barreled shotguns are also considered class III.

Suppressors... those are one of those weird in between things. You don't need to be a Class III licensee, but you pretty much have to go through just about everything else a C3 does to get one.

Which is stupid. What next, requiring NFA stamps for ear plugs?

Farking morons should have never bought the Hollywood hysteria around them.


Yeah, I've fired suppressed (note that I didn't say 'silenced'!) weapons before. They sound nothing like the movies. Everyone is always surprised at how loud it is over what Hollywood says, but it is nice to be able to shoot without having hearing protection on.
 
2012-12-27 04:12:30 AM

CthulhuCalling: Aces and Eights:
And I also wonder if they didn't just take that rocket launcher for a quick spin when the event was over. Just to try it out. Just once, before it was smelted into plowshares.

the trick is finding rockets for said rocket launcher. You can't excatly go to Hobby Town and load up on Estes rocket engines. Without rockets, all you have is a pipe.


come to think of it, knowing the media it was probably an expended LAW or AT-4 tube.
 
2012-12-27 04:15:08 AM

CthulhuCalling: iq_in_binary: CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: Plus other weird things like suppressors, short barreled rifles, and short barreled shotguns are also considered class III.

Suppressors... those are one of those weird in between things. You don't need to be a Class III licensee, but you pretty much have to go through just about everything else a C3 does to get one.

Which is stupid. What next, requiring NFA stamps for ear plugs?

Farking morons should have never bought the Hollywood hysteria around them.

Yeah, I've fired suppressed (note that I didn't say 'silenced'!) weapons before. They sound nothing like the movies. Everyone is always surprised at how loud it is over what Hollywood says, but it is nice to be able to shoot without having hearing protection on.



Whats funny is how tightly regulated suppressors are here but in the UK, that bastion of firearm over regulation they are actually required by law
 
pla
2012-12-27 06:34:42 AM
doglover : 1. Use gun until it's worthless. 2. Take to buyback program. 3. Get $$$$. 4. Buy new gun. 5. Rinse, repeat.

Better:
1) Buy a used Hi Point / JA / AMT for $20 (seriously, you can't give those away normally)
2) Turn it in for $100.
3) Rinse, wash, repeat.
4) Profit!

What do buybacks like this accomplish, aside from committing the crime-against-humanity of destroying a few museum-quality pieces Grandma found in her attic? They give people a way to get rid of their uber-crap "starter" gun (in the hobbyist, not marathon sense).

Hmm, Not sure what "Ralph's" sells, though. Possibly not worth the effort.
 
2012-12-27 06:44:19 AM
I can remember back in the late '60s a kid I grew up had a brother that was a civilian worker at our local army base. He brought home a used Laws rocket tube we used to play army with. All the other kids used baseball bats for bazookas - we had the "real" thing. We were king shiat.
 
2012-12-27 07:18:21 AM

EdNortonsTwin: I once had a statie tell me I "...could kill someone a mile away" with my shotgun when he tried to stop me from hunting quail in the foothills of San Bernardino mountains.


SHOTGUNS DON'T WORK THAT WAY!

I find it somewhat humorous actually that the shotgun range at Whittier Narrows has you shooting towards a freeway with an RC airplane field on the other side of it. It's almost like you're shooting at the airplanes instead of the skeets.
 
2012-12-27 07:51:25 AM

Mad Mark: I can remember back in the late '60s a kid I grew up had a brother that was a civilian worker at our local army base. He brought home a used Laws rocket tube we used to play army with. All the other kids used baseball bats for bazookas - we had the "real" thing. We were king shiat.


Back in the late 80s and early 90s when I was growing up, our Scout leader was a Vietnam vet. He had a LAW tube and we did the same thing with it. He didn't see any harm in letting us play with a useless tube, the neighbors didn't agree. They freaked right out. (Some guy in a passing car even called the police). That was the first and last time we got to play army with that thing.
 
2012-12-27 08:28:12 AM

BadReligion: Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?

Bolt-action is fine.

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So ehow I think you could do much more damage with this bolt action rifle than a 5.56mm AR-15.


Pretty sure Adam Lanza would have killed less people if he'd been toting a .50 bolt action rifle instead of a semi-auto rifle.
 
2012-12-27 08:40:36 AM

ManicParroT: Pretty sure Adam Lanza would have killed less people if he'd been toting a .50 bolt action rifle instead of a semi-auto rifle.


How about dynamite (wiki) or fertilizer and racing car fuel (wiki) instead?

People are really good at killing things, each other especially. Guns make it pretty easy, but they're far from the most effective means of mass murder. And a .50 bolt action, especially fired from the trunk of a car, would be much more terrifying to more people.
 
pla
2012-12-27 08:53:32 AM
ManicParroT : Pretty sure Adam Lanza would have killed less people if he'd been toting a .50 bolt action rifle instead of a semi-auto rifle.

Use the right tools for the job. If he had gone with a high powered long-ranged weapon like that, he probably wouldn't have taken out 20 6YOs all at once, but he might have gone on a killing spree that lasted weeks before they caught him.

Funny thing about murder from half a mile away - By the time the police even start looking off-scene for the shooter, he's already packed up and sipping coffee in a nearby diner. Though, the body count grows quite a bit slower that way, too - But it really freaks people out, not knowing when they could just randomly discover a 6" hole in their chest.

Consider the beltway snipers - They only got caught by having a conspicuous vehicle and a good bit of luck by the feds. If they drove a silver Honda Civic instead, they could still have their spree going today.
 
2012-12-27 09:22:05 AM

pla: Consider the beltway snipers - They only got caught by having a conspicuous vehicle and a good bit of luck by the feds. If they drove a silver Honda Civic instead, they could still have their spree going today.


More than a bit of good luck. A guy recognized the flippin' plates and called the feds while the car was parked and the guys were asleep. That's the mother lode of good luck right there.
 
2012-12-27 09:24:30 AM

BadReligion: Dimensio: CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: I grew up off Craig and Clayton, that pig farm smell is strong with the right wind. I used to go to CCSP, but got a membership to the Desert Hills Shooting Club in Boulder City, and go there now. They have a world class clay pigeon course out there. I have killed a lot of clay with my semi automatic Browning Silver Hunter 12 gauge.

It is still strong and I'm a few miles east of it. I have no pity for the people who moved into the communities surrounding it. CCSP is finally building their sporting clays range, it's supposed to be done in the spring, so expect it to be done by winter 2014. I keep meaning to try the trap lanes out there. I don't have a trap gun, but a pair of Mossberg tacticals that would be fun to try.

How appropriate is a Saiga 12 for trap shooting?

Most would look down on it, but if you went somewhere with lax rules, they may let you use a shotgun with a capacity of more than 2, as long as you didn't fire more than 2 shots per pair.


Most Californians would look down on it, that much I'd agree with.
 
2012-12-27 09:31:20 AM

BadReligion: Most would look down on it, but if you went somewhere with lax rules, they may let you use a shotgun with a capacity of more than 2, as long as you didn't fire more than 2 shots per pair.


I'm thinking about picking up a shotgun, mostly for clays but partly for just-in-case. I sort of like the semi auto SG idea, as you don't have to disrupt a sight picture by pumping. WHat ARE the policies for clubs? If I just load in two rounds per magazine would that be OK?
 
2012-12-27 09:42:44 AM
The rocket launcher was just a training dummy, IIRC. It didn't stop them from using it being turned in as some kind of great victory for making the streets safer, though.
 
2012-12-27 09:44:08 AM

stevarooni: FTFA: Since the inception of the program in 2009, there has been a 39 percent drop in gang crimes and 33 percent drop in shots fired calls, translating into 241 fewer people shot in the city, according to the mayor's office.

Tell us, Mr. Mayor, just how effective is your tiger-warding stone? :-P


It's almost as if there was a major FBI initiative in 2009 targeting US gangs that resulted in over 2000 busts in two years and over 200 RICO indictments, both those numbers being about four times the total of the preceding three years, gutting organized crime operations in all 50 states, but most dramatically in large urban centers of gang activity like LA and Houston, which have seen their rates plummet dramatically in the last three years both for violent crime in general and gang complaints especially as the gangsters find it wise to lay low.

But nah, clearly it's the annual gun buybacks that have been going on since the '90s and never had any appreciable effect from 1995-2008. Clearly there's just a decade or so of lag before the impact is really felt, y'know?
 
2012-12-27 10:05:04 AM

pla: What do buybacks like this accomplish, aside from committing the crime-against-humanity of destroying a few museum-quality pieces Grandma found in her attic? They give people a way to get rid of their uber-crap "starter" gun (in the hobbyist, not marathon sense).


wonder if I could get rid of my grandpa's starter pistol that way... now to get rid of the skeleton my other grandpa left us

//yes for 30 years the discussion has been going on in my family of what to do with the undocumented skeleton in a box in the basement
 
2012-12-27 10:14:25 AM

MaliFinn: The city netted 1,673 firearms, a four-year low, at the buyback program last May. Authorities recovered 53 assault weapons, 791 handguns, 527 rifles, 302 shotguns and one anti-tank rocket launcher.
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Dude, it's L.A, - totally normal.
 
2012-12-27 10:18:39 AM

Jim_Callahan: stevarooni: FTFA: Since the inception of the program in 2009, there has been a 39 percent drop in gang crimes and 33 percent drop in shots fired calls, translating into 241 fewer people shot in the city, according to the mayor's office.

Tell us, Mr. Mayor, just how effective is your tiger-warding stone? :-P

It's almost as if there was a major FBI initiative in 2009 targeting US gangs that resulted in over 2000 busts in two years and over 200 RICO indictments, both those numbers being about four times the total of the preceding three years, gutting organized crime operations in all 50 states, but most dramatically in large urban centers of gang activity like LA and Houston, which have seen their rates plummet dramatically in the last three years both for violent crime in general and gang complaints especially as the gangsters find it wise to lay low.

But nah, clearly it's the annual gun buybacks that have been going on since the '90s and never had any appreciable effect from 1995-2008. Clearly there's just a decade or so of lag before the impact is really felt, y'know?


In todays environment of inevitably dropping crime (due to the aging of the Boomers) you can claim success for ANY anti-crime measure that has been taken. It's all going to go away in ten or fifteen years anyway. The Boomers will die, the immigrants will come, and socity will be younger. Younger population=more crime. It'll be funny watching all the "geniuses" explain why their handy-dandy crime solution suddenly isn't working anymore.
 
2012-12-27 10:23:36 AM
NEWSFLASH: Hundreds of people who apparently horde butter found dead in their homes.
Thanks LAPD
 
2012-12-27 10:28:24 AM

ManicParroT:

Pretty sure Adam Lanza would have killed less people if he'd been toting a .50 bolt action rifle instead of a semi-auto rifle.


Did he use a semi auto rifle? Aside from the media hysteria, about scary looking rifles in general, all the reports I have seen said handguns were found in the school, and the rifle was found in the trunk of his car. There is even video of the police opening the trunk and removing it.

The only claim I have seen that he killed them with the rifle was the Medical Examiner making the claim, but I frankly find that hard to believe, unless he ran out and locked it in his trunk before running back in and killing himself.
 
2012-12-27 10:31:56 AM

Fecal Conservative: AnyName: stevarooni:

How the heck do you safely dispose of old guns/ammo?

Use 48oz of Thermite!

/Easy to make
//Stand Back!
//Use a Magnesium fuse


Bad memories. Tried that once. Set my lawn on fire. There is a spot back there that hasn't supported growing grass for 5 years now.

/things got interesting real quick when that Thermite got to burning...
 
2012-12-27 10:33:20 AM

blunttrauma: Did he use a semi auto rifle? Aside from the media hysteria, about scary looking rifles in general, all the reports I have seen said handguns were found in the school, and the rifle was found in the trunk of his car. There is even video of the police opening the trunk and removing it.


My understanding (news report soon after the event) was that he had two pistols and an AR-style rifle with him and a shotgun in the trunk.
 
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