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2012-12-27 02:20:19 AM  

BadReligion: Wayne 985: universebetween: all the guns are melted down. how sad

I'm happy with it, depending on what they are. Locked away in a safe someplace, my mother has an AR-15 that she inherited after my father died. If it belonged to me, I'd give it to one of these programs to be destroyed.

That is dumb. AR-15's are worth minimum $500 on the secondary market. Sell it using an FFL to do the transfer(so there is a background check) and you will make a minimum of $200, and one of your fathers possessions won't be needlessly destroyed. Or are you afraid of it because it is an evil black rifle?


I'm skeptical there should be civilian ownership of assault rifles, and if I'm going to apply that to other people, I'll apply it to myself as well.
 
2012-12-27 02:23:25 AM  

Wayne 985: BadReligion: Wayne 985: universebetween: all the guns are melted down. how sad

I'm happy with it, depending on what they are. Locked away in a safe someplace, my mother has an AR-15 that she inherited after my father died. If it belonged to me, I'd give it to one of these programs to be destroyed.

That is dumb. AR-15's are worth minimum $500 on the secondary market. Sell it using an FFL to do the transfer(so there is a background check) and you will make a minimum of $200, and one of your fathers possessions won't be needlessly destroyed. Or are you afraid of it because it is an evil black rifle?

I'm skeptical there should be civilian ownership of assault rifles, and if I'm going to apply that to other people, I'll apply it to myself as well.


Civilian-marketed AR-15 rifles do not feature select-fire capability and thus by definition cannot be classified as "assault rifles".
 
2012-12-27 02:24:28 AM  

Dimensio: Civilian-marketed AR-15 rifles do not feature select-fire capability and thus by definition cannot be classified as "assault rifles".


By that rationale, the Bushmaster used in Sandy Hook wasn't an assault rifle.
 
2012-12-27 02:25:20 AM  

Wayne 985: Dimensio: Civilian-marketed AR-15 rifles do not feature select-fire capability and thus by definition cannot be classified as "assault rifles".

By that rationale, the Bushmaster used in Sandy Hook wasn't an assault rifle.


You are correct; it was not.
 
2012-12-27 02:25:59 AM  

Wayne 985: Dimensio: Civilian-marketed AR-15 rifles do not feature select-fire capability and thus by definition cannot be classified as "assault rifles".

By that rationale, the Bushmaster used in Sandy Hook wasn't an assault rifle.


For the record, if you prefer, I'll use the term "assault weapon", but we all know what I'm talking about.
 
2012-12-27 02:26:47 AM  
So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?
 
2012-12-27 02:28:06 AM  

Wayne 985: Dimensio: Civilian-marketed AR-15 rifles do not feature select-fire capability and thus by definition cannot be classified as "assault rifles".

By that rationale, the Bushmaster used in Sandy Hook wasn't an assault rifle.


It wasn't. A assault rifle is a select fire weapon. A civilian AR15 is a semi automatic, detachable magazine fed sporting rifle. It fires a .223/5.56mm cartridge that is considered low power and was originally marketed as a varmint round.
 
2012-12-27 02:28:07 AM  

Wayne 985: Wayne 985: Dimensio: Civilian-marketed AR-15 rifles do not feature select-fire capability and thus by definition cannot be classified as "assault rifles".

By that rationale, the Bushmaster used in Sandy Hook wasn't an assault rifle.

For the record, if you prefer, I'll use the term "assault weapon", but we all know what I'm talking about.


Yes; you are discussing a semi-automatic rifle fed from a detachable magazine whose appearance is "menacing" according to some individuals despite it being functionally equivalent to any other magazine-fed semi-automatic rifle in the same caliber.
 
2012-12-27 02:29:08 AM  

Wayne 985: Wayne 985: Dimensio: Civilian-marketed AR-15 rifles do not feature select-fire capability and thus by definition cannot be classified as "assault rifles".

By that rationale, the Bushmaster used in Sandy Hook wasn't an assault rifle.

For the record, if you prefer, I'll use the term "assault weapon", but we all know what I'm talking about.


'assault weapon' is a political term for an Evil Black Rifle (EBR), and are classified as such entirely on cosmetic criteria. Your AR-15 is NO different from a Ruger 10/22, except that the Ruger has a nice, non-threatening wooden stock.

Given the panic buying on AR15s as of late, you stand to make a few hundred on that rifle should you choose to sell it.
 
2012-12-27 02:29:14 AM  

Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?


Bolt-action is fine.
 
2012-12-27 02:30:17 AM  

Wayne 985: BadReligion: Wayne 985: universebetween: all the guns are melted down. how sad

I'm happy with it, depending on what they are. Locked away in a safe someplace, my mother has an AR-15 that she inherited after my father died. If it belonged to me, I'd give it to one of these programs to be destroyed.

That is dumb. AR-15's are worth minimum $500 on the secondary market. Sell it using an FFL to do the transfer(so there is a background check) and you will make a minimum of $200, and one of your fathers possessions won't be needlessly destroyed. Or are you afraid of it because it is an evil black rifle?

I'm skeptical there should be civilian ownership of assault rifles, and if I'm going to apply that to other people, I'll apply it to myself as well.


There are very few Assault rifles legally on the market. To get one you have to have a special license and find one that was made before a certain year (can't remember , 1986 maybe). They cost a lot of money. Assault rifles have either a burst mode or a full auto mode.

You are probably confusing 'Assault Rifle' with 'Assault Weapon' which is a meaningless term that describes cosmetically modified semi-automatic rifles.
 
2012-12-27 02:31:10 AM  

Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?

Bolt-action is fine.


So no lever action rifles either?
 
2012-12-27 02:32:24 AM  

Benjamin Orr: Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?

Bolt-action is fine.

So no lever action rifles either?


Sure. Bolt-action, lever-action, pump-action. I'm fine with those.
 
2012-12-27 02:32:44 AM  

MaliFinn: The city netted 1,673 firearms, a four-year low, at the buyback program last May. Authorities recovered 53 assault weapons, 791 handguns, 527 rifles, 302 shotguns and one anti-tank rocket launcher.
[i208.photobucket.com image 168x224]


Media sensationalism again. I remember that story from last year - most of those guns were either junk, found, or inherited by morons, and the "anti-tank rocket launcher" might have been one once, but what was turned in was a deactivated movie prop. Not the real thing.

And they knew it, as it was stated in the article that it was a non-functioning prop.
 
2012-12-27 02:34:38 AM  

Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?

Bolt-action is fine.

So no lever action rifles either?

Sure. Bolt-action, lever-action, pump-action. I'm fine with those.


heh... well ok then. just say ban all semi-automatic rifles then and skip all the "assault" references.

going to ban semi-auto handguns and double action revolvers as well?

going to limit the number of rounds in a lever gun?
 
2012-12-27 02:34:54 AM  

Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?

Bolt-action is fine.


i74.photobucket.com
So ehow I think you could do much more damage with this bolt action rifle than a 5.56mm AR-15.
 
2012-12-27 02:36:09 AM  

BadReligion: Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?

Bolt-action is fine.

[i74.photobucket.com image 798x335]
So ehow I think you could do much more damage with this bolt action rifle than a 5.56mm AR-15.


Somehow*. Stupid iPad.
 
2012-12-27 02:37:03 AM  

BadReligion: Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?

Bolt-action is fine.

[i74.photobucket.com image 798x335]
So ehow I think you could do much more damage with this bolt action rifle than a 5.56mm AR-15.


now, now. there's no need to attack the guy. he has his own values. we're just trying to keep that AR15 from being turned into razor blades and maybe make a few hundred for him.
 
2012-12-27 02:37:34 AM  
I like to consider myself an informed shopper, but it's hard to buy guns made out of 100% recycled materials. I'm glad to see environmentally conscious gun owners are doing their part to recycle their old guns rather than just throw them in the trash. It's things like this that make me sure we'll solve the global warming problems.
 
2012-12-27 02:39:22 AM  

CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?

Bolt-action is fine.

[i74.photobucket.com image 798x335]
So ehow I think you could do much more damage with this bolt action rifle than a 5.56mm AR-15.

now, now. there's no need to attack the guy. he has his own values. we're just trying to keep that AR15 from being turned into razor blades and maybe make a few hundred for him.


I was the first one trying to do that, this guy is just afraid of something he doesn't understand, and thinks other people shouldn't have them because of it.
 
2012-12-27 02:40:33 AM  

CthulhuCalling: 'assault weapon' is a political term for an Evil Black Rifle (EBR), and are classified as such entirely on cosmetic criteria. Your AR-15 is NO different from a Ruger 10/22, except that the Ruger has a nice, non-threatening wooden stock.


The Rugers and M1A style rifles, despite being "legitimate sporting rifles" under almost any states "assault weapon" laws are actually more dangerous than any of the evil black rifles that hysterical people like Wayne 985 want to ban because of how easy they are to actually jury rig into a real assault weapon...


i135.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-27 02:42:45 AM  

BadReligion: CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?

Bolt-action is fine.

[i74.photobucket.com image 798x335]
So ehow I think you could do much more damage with this bolt action rifle than a 5.56mm AR-15.

now, now. there's no need to attack the guy. he has his own values. we're just trying to keep that AR15 from being turned into razor blades and maybe make a few hundred for him.

I was the first one trying to do that, this guy is just afraid of something he doesn't understand, and thinks other people shouldn't have them because of it.


OHAI! Vegas resident too? Those hills in your profile pics look like you're out near Hendertucky.
 
2012-12-27 02:42:48 AM  
Honest question: do they check the guns they get to see if they are connected to any unsolved crimes?
 
2012-12-27 02:42:57 AM  

Benjamin Orr: going to ban semi-auto handguns and double action revolvers as well?

going to limit the number of rounds in a lever gun?


No. I don't have interest in banning sensible weapons for home/self defense or hunting. My concern is with weapons designed specifically for military use (ie, to hunt and kill humans).

If handguns are licensed, registered, and free of high capacity magazines, then I don't have much concern.
 
2012-12-27 02:43:43 AM  

Wayne 985: BadReligion: Wayne 985: universebetween: all the guns are melted down. how sad

I'm happy with it, depending on what they are. Locked away in a safe someplace, my mother has an AR-15 that she inherited after my father died. If it belonged to me, I'd give it to one of these programs to be destroyed.

That is dumb. AR-15's are worth minimum $500 on the secondary market. Sell it using an FFL to do the transfer(so there is a background check) and you will make a minimum of $200, and one of your fathers possessions won't be needlessly destroyed. Or are you afraid of it because it is an evil black rifle?

I'm skeptical there should be civilian ownership of assault rifles, and if I'm going to apply that to other people, I'll apply it to myself as well.


Except for a very small pool of guns and the people that can afford them (not you or I, I assure you), assault rifles are already illegal. Quit being a tard.
 
2012-12-27 02:44:14 AM  

Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: going to ban semi-auto handguns and double action revolvers as well?

going to limit the number of rounds in a lever gun?

No. I don't have interest in banning sensible weapons for home/self defense or hunting. My concern is with weapons designed specifically for military use (ie, to hunt and kill humans).


For what reason, then, do you oppose civilian ownership of a multitude of rifle models used for hunting?
 
2012-12-27 02:44:30 AM  

BadReligion: I was the first one trying to do that, this guy is just afraid of something he doesn't understand, and thinks other people shouldn't have them because of it.


Relax. Your guns aren't going anywhere. Most Americans disagree with me.
 
2012-12-27 02:45:48 AM  

CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?

Bolt-action is fine.

[i74.photobucket.com image 798x335]
So ehow I think you could do much more damage with this bolt action rifle than a 5.56mm AR-15.

now, now. there's no need to attack the guy. he has his own values. we're just trying to keep that AR15 from being turned into razor blades and maybe make a few hundred for him.

I was the first one trying to do that, this guy is just afraid of something he doesn't understand, and thinks other people shouldn't have them because of it.

OHAI! Vegas resident too? Those hills in your profile pics look like you're out near Hendertucky.


No where close, South side of Vegas, kinda by the mountains. You?
 
2012-12-27 02:45:48 AM  

Dimensio: For what reason, then, do you oppose civilian ownership of a multitude of rifle models used for hunting?


You don't need an AR-15 to hunt deer.
 
2012-12-27 02:46:34 AM  

Pribar: CthulhuCalling: 'assault weapon' is a political term for an Evil Black Rifle (EBR), and are classified as such entirely on cosmetic criteria. Your AR-15 is NO different from a Ruger 10/22, except that the Ruger has a nice, non-threatening wooden stock.

The Rugers and M1A style rifles, despite being "legitimate sporting rifles" under almost any states "assault weapon" laws are actually more dangerous than any of the evil black rifles that hysterical people like Wayne 985 want to ban because of how easy they are to actually jury rig into a real assault weapon...


[i135.photobucket.com image 750x600]


Wait until they find out about the paper on the seer trick...........or that M1As are only a pin punch and 5 minutes away from being M14s.
 
2012-12-27 02:47:14 AM  

Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: going to ban semi-auto handguns and double action revolvers as well?

going to limit the number of rounds in a lever gun?

No. I don't have interest in banning sensible weapons for home/self defense or hunting. My concern is with weapons designed specifically for military use (ie, to hunt and kill humans).

If handguns are licensed, registered, and free of high capacity magazines, then I don't have much concern.


So the lever/bolt action guns that use magazines and are deadlier than the AR15 are still ok? Cool.
 
2012-12-27 02:47:24 AM  

Wayne 985: Dimensio: For what reason, then, do you oppose civilian ownership of a multitude of rifle models used for hunting?

You don't need an AR-15 to hunt deer.


You don't need Islam to have a religion either. Can we ban it?
 
2012-12-27 02:48:05 AM  

Wayne 985: Dimensio: For what reason, then, do you oppose civilian ownership of a multitude of rifle models used for hunting?

You don't need an AR-15 to hunt deer.


I have never claimed such. I acknowledge that the .223 Remington and 5.56x45mm NATO caliber rounds are too light and underpowered for deer hunting.

You did not address my question.
 
2012-12-27 02:48:29 AM  

BadReligion: CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?

Bolt-action is fine.

[i74.photobucket.com image 798x335]
So ehow I think you could do much more damage with this bolt action rifle than a 5.56mm AR-15.

now, now. there's no need to attack the guy. he has his own values. we're just trying to keep that AR15 from being turned into razor blades and maybe make a few hundred for him.

I was the first one trying to do that, this guy is just afraid of something he doesn't understand, and thinks other people shouldn't have them because of it.

OHAI! Vegas resident too? Those hills in your profile pics look like you're out near Hendertucky.

No where close, South side of Vegas, kinda by the mountains. You?


Northside. Represent, yo. Spend my time at CCSP to escape the smell of the pig farm.
 
2012-12-27 02:49:41 AM  

Wayne 985: Dimensio: For what reason, then, do you oppose civilian ownership of a multitude of rifle models used for hunting?

You don't need an AR-15 to hunt deer.


My AR15 is less deadly that the "hunting rifles" you seem to be ok with. I have never killed a living creature with it, and never plan to. It has killed an old tube TV out in the desert though.
 
2012-12-27 02:51:25 AM  

Wayne 985: Dimensio: For what reason, then, do you oppose civilian ownership of a multitude of rifle models used for hunting?

You don't need an AR-15 to hunt deer.


The .223 round is insufficient to hunt deer with. An AR10, chambered for .308 is appropriate. There are several civilan semiautomatic rifles chambered for .308 that are perfectly legal for hunting. The only difference is that the AR10 is 'tacticool' and you'd likely get laughed out of the woods by anyone who saw you hunting with it.
 
2012-12-27 02:52:38 AM  

BadReligion: Wayne 985: Dimensio: For what reason, then, do you oppose civilian ownership of a multitude of rifle models used for hunting?

You don't need an AR-15 to hunt deer.

My AR15 is less deadly that the "hunting rifles" you seem to be ok with. I have never killed a living creature with it, and never plan to. It has killed an old tube TV out in the desert though.


My AR-15 is currently configured to fire .22LR ammunition. It is less powerful than the handgun that I routinely carry on my person.
 
2012-12-27 02:52:59 AM  

Wayne 985: Dimensio: For what reason, then, do you oppose civilian ownership of a multitude of rifle models used for hunting?

You don't need an AR-15 to hunt deer.


I don't need a BMW M5 to drive to work with either, you wanna ban them too? they are more dangerous than any black gun on the market
 
2012-12-27 02:53:15 AM  

CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?

Bolt-action is fine.

[i74.photobucket.com image 798x335]
So ehow I think you could do much more damage with this bolt action rifle than a 5.56mm AR-15.

now, now. there's no need to attack the guy. he has his own values. we're just trying to keep that AR15 from being turned into razor blades and maybe make a few hundred for him.

I was the first one trying to do that, this guy is just afraid of something he doesn't understand, and thinks other people shouldn't have them because of it.

OHAI! Vegas resident too? Those hills in your profile pics look like you're out near Hendertucky.

No where close, South side of Vegas, kinda by the mountains. You?

Northside. Represent, yo. Spend my time at CCSP to escape the smell of the pig farm.


I grew up off Craig and Clayton, that pig farm smell is strong with the right wind. I used to go to CCSP, but got a membership to the Desert Hills Shooting Club in Boulder City, and go there now. They have a world class clay pigeon course out there. I have killed a lot of clay with my semi automatic Browning Silver Hunter 12 gauge.
 
2012-12-27 02:55:32 AM  

CthulhuCalling: Wayne 985: Dimensio: For what reason, then, do you oppose civilian ownership of a multitude of rifle models used for hunting?

You don't need an AR-15 to hunt deer.

The .223 round is insufficient to hunt deer with. An AR10, chambered for .308 is appropriate. There are several civilan semiautomatic rifles chambered for .308 that are perfectly legal for hunting. The only difference is that the AR10 is 'tacticool' and you'd likely get laughed out of the woods by anyone who saw you hunting with it.


Not really. I get more people inquiring about AR-10s than bolt actions for hunting. Lots of advantageous characteristics for hunting. Less recoil, quick follow up shots, and usually cheaper than a custom hunting rifle.
 
2012-12-27 02:56:45 AM  

BadReligion: I grew up off Craig and Clayton, that pig farm smell is strong with the right wind. I used to go to CCSP, but got a membership to the Desert Hills Shooting Club in Boulder City, and go there now. They have a world class clay pigeon course out there. I have killed a lot of clay with my semi automatic Browning Silver Hunter 12 gauge.


It is still strong and I'm a few miles east of it. I have no pity for the people who moved into the communities surrounding it. CCSP is finally building their sporting clays range, it's supposed to be done in the spring, so expect it to be done by winter 2014. I keep meaning to try the trap lanes out there. I don't have a trap gun, but a pair of Mossberg tacticals that would be fun to try.
 
2012-12-27 02:59:15 AM  

CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: I grew up off Craig and Clayton, that pig farm smell is strong with the right wind. I used to go to CCSP, but got a membership to the Desert Hills Shooting Club in Boulder City, and go there now. They have a world class clay pigeon course out there. I have killed a lot of clay with my semi automatic Browning Silver Hunter 12 gauge.

It is still strong and I'm a few miles east of it. I have no pity for the people who moved into the communities surrounding it. CCSP is finally building their sporting clays range, it's supposed to be done in the spring, so expect it to be done by winter 2014. I keep meaning to try the trap lanes out there. I don't have a trap gun, but a pair of Mossberg tacticals that would be fun to try.


Shooting trap with a pump shotgun is fun for a second, than gets frustrating. You really need either an over/under or a semi auto to really have any chance of hitting any pairs.
 
2012-12-27 02:59:19 AM  

Benjamin Orr: So the lever/bolt action guns that use magazines and are deadlier than the AR15 are still ok? Cool.


Didn't I address this already? I'm not re-reading the whole thread, but if a bolt-action, for example, has a small clip, then who cares?

And if you're going to shoot up a school, do you really think a Winchester 70 is going to be more deadly than a Bushmaster?
 
2012-12-27 02:59:42 AM  

CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: I grew up off Craig and Clayton, that pig farm smell is strong with the right wind. I used to go to CCSP, but got a membership to the Desert Hills Shooting Club in Boulder City, and go there now. They have a world class clay pigeon course out there. I have killed a lot of clay with my semi automatic Browning Silver Hunter 12 gauge.

It is still strong and I'm a few miles east of it. I have no pity for the people who moved into the communities surrounding it. CCSP is finally building their sporting clays range, it's supposed to be done in the spring, so expect it to be done by winter 2014. I keep meaning to try the trap lanes out there. I don't have a trap gun, but a pair of Mossberg tacticals that would be fun to try.


How appropriate is a Saiga 12 for trap shooting?
 
2012-12-27 03:01:25 AM  

Pribar: Wayne 985: Dimensio: For what reason, then, do you oppose civilian ownership of a multitude of rifle models used for hunting?

You don't need an AR-15 to hunt deer.

I don't need a BMW M5 to drive to work with either, you wanna ban them too? they are more dangerous than any black gun on the market


Your BMW requires mandatory safety testing and insurance, for starters. It also has a beneficial purpose.
 
2012-12-27 03:02:04 AM  

BadReligion: CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: I grew up off Craig and Clayton, that pig farm smell is strong with the right wind. I used to go to CCSP, but got a membership to the Desert Hills Shooting Club in Boulder City, and go there now. They have a world class clay pigeon course out there. I have killed a lot of clay with my semi automatic Browning Silver Hunter 12 gauge.

It is still strong and I'm a few miles east of it. I have no pity for the people who moved into the communities surrounding it. CCSP is finally building their sporting clays range, it's supposed to be done in the spring, so expect it to be done by winter 2014. I keep meaning to try the trap lanes out there. I don't have a trap gun, but a pair of Mossberg tacticals that would be fun to try.

Shooting trap with a pump shotgun is fun for a second, than gets frustrating. You really need either an over/under or a semi auto to really have any chance of hitting any pairs.


One of my Mossys is a 930 SPX semiauto. Surprisingly accurate gun for a shotty and fun as hell to shoot.
 
2012-12-27 03:02:25 AM  

Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?

Bolt-action is fine.


What if I need to shoot 30 deer in rapid succession??
 
2012-12-27 03:03:32 AM  

Dimensio: CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: I grew up off Craig and Clayton, that pig farm smell is strong with the right wind. I used to go to CCSP, but got a membership to the Desert Hills Shooting Club in Boulder City, and go there now. They have a world class clay pigeon course out there. I have killed a lot of clay with my semi automatic Browning Silver Hunter 12 gauge.

It is still strong and I'm a few miles east of it. I have no pity for the people who moved into the communities surrounding it. CCSP is finally building their sporting clays range, it's supposed to be done in the spring, so expect it to be done by winter 2014. I keep meaning to try the trap lanes out there. I don't have a trap gun, but a pair of Mossberg tacticals that would be fun to try.

How appropriate is a Saiga 12 for trap shooting?


Most would look down on it, but if you went somewhere with lax rules, they may let you use a shotgun with a capacity of more than 2, as long as you didn't fire more than 2 shots per pair.
 
2012-12-27 03:04:31 AM  

Wayne 985: Pribar: Wayne 985: Dimensio: For what reason, then, do you oppose civilian ownership of a multitude of rifle models used for hunting?

You don't need an AR-15 to hunt deer.

I don't need a BMW M5 to drive to work with either, you wanna ban them too? they are more dangerous than any black gun on the market

Your BMW requires mandatory safety testing and insurance, for starters. It also has a beneficial purpose.


I think we've gotten to the core of Wayne 985's belief structure.
 
2012-12-27 03:04:34 AM  

BadReligion: Dimensio: CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: I grew up off Craig and Clayton, that pig farm smell is strong with the right wind. I used to go to CCSP, but got a membership to the Desert Hills Shooting Club in Boulder City, and go there now. They have a world class clay pigeon course out there. I have killed a lot of clay with my semi automatic Browning Silver Hunter 12 gauge.

It is still strong and I'm a few miles east of it. I have no pity for the people who moved into the communities surrounding it. CCSP is finally building their sporting clays range, it's supposed to be done in the spring, so expect it to be done by winter 2014. I keep meaning to try the trap lanes out there. I don't have a trap gun, but a pair of Mossberg tacticals that would be fun to try.

How appropriate is a Saiga 12 for trap shooting?

Most would look down on it, but if you went somewhere with lax rules, they may let you use a shotgun with a capacity of more than 2, as long as you didn't fire more than 2 shots per pair.


The smallest magazine that I own for it holds five rounds, though nothing would prevent me from loading only two rounds into it.
 
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