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2012-12-26 07:25:56 PM  
Police also apprehended a pair of pocket pistols worth an estimated $2,000

*insert penis joke here*

/feeling lazy today
 
2012-12-26 08:30:50 PM  
A friend has a .22 that pops out of his belt-buckle. It's like a holster in a way. I don't think they're illegal everywhere. While looking around at them online I found this Nazi one that actually shoots from the belt.

www.gunsandammo.com
www.gunsandammo.com

Link
Damn crafty Nazis.
 
2012-12-26 08:52:52 PM  
violentsalvation: Damn crafty Nazis.

their murder was more stylish than most
 
2012-12-26 09:12:00 PM  
i1079.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-26 09:28:54 PM  
PhiloeBedoe, so the size of the waffle is directly proportional to the square of the distance from the batter gun to the skillet?
 
2012-12-26 09:51:00 PM  

violentsalvation: A friend has a .22 that pops out of his belt-buckle. It's like a holster in a way. I don't think they're illegal everywhere. While looking around at them online I found this Nazi one that actually shoots from the belt.

[www.gunsandammo.com image 300x156]
[www.gunsandammo.com image 300x220]

Link
Damn crafty Nazis.


i74.photobucket.com

Approves.
 
2012-12-27 12:39:11 AM  

ultraholland: violentsalvation: Damn crafty Nazis.

their murder was more stylish than most


yet also the most streamlined and industrial-like
 
2012-12-27 12:44:26 AM  
What's next? Plow shears for swords?
 
2012-12-27 12:44:51 AM  
I prefer cream cheese on the guns I eat.
 
2012-12-27 12:45:21 AM  
Authorities recovered 53 assault weapons, 791 handguns, 527 rifles, 302 shotguns and one anti-tank rocket launcher.

Man, I HATE articles that don't give us more details. Because WHO THE F*CK had an anti-tank rocket launcher and what did the cops say/do/think when someone hauled that out of the trunk of his car?
 
2012-12-27 12:47:15 AM  
The city netted 1,673 firearms, a four-year low, at the buyback program last May. Authorities recovered 53 assault weapons, 791 handguns, 527 rifles, 302 shotguns and one anti-tank rocket launcher.
i208.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-27 12:47:30 AM  
FTFA: Since the inception of the program in 2009, there has been a 39 percent drop in gang crimes and 33 percent drop in shots fired calls, translating into 241 fewer people shot in the city, according to the mayor's office.

Tell us, Mr. Mayor, just how effective is your tiger-warding stone? :-P
 
2012-12-27 12:48:41 AM  
Good time to burgle Paula Dean's house.
 
2012-12-27 12:52:00 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Authorities recovered 53 assault weapons, 791 handguns, 527 rifles, 302 shotguns and one anti-tank rocket launcher.

Man, I HATE articles that don't give us more details. Because WHO THE F*CK had an anti-tank rocket launcher and what did the cops say/do/think when someone hauled that out of the trunk of his car?


And did they sell the two pocket pistols worth $2000? Why mention the dollar value? If they sold them, that's not exactly getting them off the streets, now is it?

And I also wonder if they didn't just take that rocket launcher for a quick spin when the event was over. Just to try it out. Just once, before it was smelted into plowshares.
 
2012-12-27 12:53:24 AM  
Looks like there's a ready and profitable market for zip guns of dubious quality and ultra-low-cost.
 
2012-12-27 12:54:06 AM  

stevarooni: FTFA: Since the inception of the program in 2009, there has been a 39 percent drop in gang crimes and 33 percent drop in shots fired calls, translating into 241 fewer people shot in the city, according to the mayor's office.

Tell us, Mr. Mayor, just how effective is your tiger-warding stone? :-P


None of which has anything to do with fun buy back programs. Which do absolutely nothing to decrease crime.
 
2012-12-27 12:57:47 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Authorities recovered 53 assault weapons, 791 handguns, 527 rifles, 302 shotguns and one anti-tank rocket launcher.

Man, I HATE articles that don't give us more details. Because WHO THE F*CK had an anti-tank rocket launcher and what did the cops say/do/think when someone hauled that out of the trunk of his car?


I would've LOVED to have seen the cops' reaction to that.
 
2012-12-27 12:58:09 AM  
So what happens to these guns after their turned in? The thought of a Colt Python being tossed into a compactor or smelter makes me cry.
 
2012-12-27 01:00:08 AM  

hundreddollarman: So what happens to these guns after their they're turned in? The thought of a Colt Python being tossed into a compactor or smelter makes me cry.


FTFM. How the hell did I make that spelling goof?
 
2012-12-27 01:01:17 AM  
I've got a beat up old no-name .22 that was left in a foreclosed house I bought. The cops ran the SN, came up with zip and told me to keep/dispose of it. I keep waiting for one of these buy backs to pop up, but I live in Texas and am SOL :-(.
 
2012-12-27 01:04:06 AM  

hundreddollarman: So what happens to these guns after their turned in?


Not to worry, cops need a source of drop guns, don't they? As well as some cops' private collections enriched at the rate of $100-$200 of taxpayer money for each item. It's just a perk of the job.
 
2012-12-27 01:05:51 AM  

7th Son of a 7th Son: Gyrfalcon: Authorities recovered 53 assault weapons, 791 handguns, 527 rifles, 302 shotguns and one anti-tank rocket launcher.

Man, I HATE articles that don't give us more details. Because WHO THE F*CK had an anti-tank rocket launcher and what did the cops say/do/think when someone hauled that out of the trunk of his car?

I would've LOVED to have seen the cops' reaction to that.


They probably didn't even know wtf it was until a week later.

I once had a statie tell me I "...could kill someone a mile away" with my shotgun when he tried to stop me from hunting quail in the foothills of San Bernardino mountains.
 
2012-12-27 01:07:12 AM  

hundreddollarman: hundreddollarman: So what happens to these guns after their they're turned in? The thought of a Colt Python being tossed into a compactor or smelter makes me cry.

FTFM. How the hell did I make that spelling goof?


By being human?
 
2012-12-27 01:07:22 AM  

AnyName: I've got a beat up old no-name .22 that was left in a foreclosed house I bought. The cops ran the SN, came up with zip and told me to keep/dispose of it.


Sell it to a dealer or someone else you're sure isn't a felon or out-of-stater; in the current fervor, you ought to be able to beat $200, easy.
 
2012-12-27 01:10:21 AM  
Gyrfalcon 2012-12-27 12:45:21 AM

Authorities recovered 53 assault weapons, 791 handguns, 527 rifles, 302 shotguns and one anti-tank rocket launcher.

Man, I HATE articles that don't give us more details. Because WHO THE F*CK had an anti-tank rocket launcher and what did the cops say/do/think when someone hauled that out of the trunk of his car?

is that only a 200 voucher? Id ask for 300 at least...
 
2012-12-27 01:10:41 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Authorities recovered 53 assault weapons, 791 handguns, 527 rifles, 302 shotguns and one anti-tank rocket launcher.

Man, I HATE articles that don't give us more details. Because WHO THE F*CK had an anti-tank rocket launcher and what did the cops say/do/think when someone hauled that out of the trunk of his car?


Yeah, it's not the first time either. I've seen a few of these articles over the years where some weirdo shows up with a rocket launcher or some other anti-armor weaponry.
 
2012-12-27 01:11:22 AM  
And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
 
2012-12-27 01:11:54 AM  
all the guns are melted down. how sad
 
2012-12-27 01:12:18 AM  

EdNortonsTwin: hundreddollarman: hundreddollarman: So what happens to these guns after their they're turned in? The thought of a Colt Python being tossed into a compactor or smelter makes me cry.

FTFM. How the hell did I make that spelling goof?

By being human?


My programming does not comprehend this statement.
 
2012-12-27 01:13:55 AM  

hundreddollarman: EdNortonsTwin: hundreddollarman: hundreddollarman: So what happens to these guns after their they're turned in? The thought of a Colt Python being tossed into a compactor or smelter makes me cry.

FTFM. How the hell did I make that spelling goof?

By being human?

My programming does not comprehend this statement.




Mr Romney?
 
2012-12-27 01:14:58 AM  

stevarooni: Sell it to a dealer or someone else you're sure isn't a felon or out-of-stater; in the current fervor, you ought to be able to beat $200, easy.


I took it to a dealer and they weren't interested. It's was a complete piece of crap even when new and is worthless. The barrel is heavily rusted and I'd be afraid if it did manage to fire it would hurt the person shooting it.

How the heck do you safely dispose of old guns/ammo?
 
2012-12-27 01:24:03 AM  

AnyName: How the heck do you safely dispose of old guns/ammo?


Contact your local police or a local gun store.  They should be able to put you in touch with the right people.
 
2012-12-27 01:26:24 AM  

AnyName: stevarooni: Sell it to a dealer or someone else you're sure isn't a felon or out-of-stater; in the current fervor, you ought to be able to beat $200, easy.

I took it to a dealer and they weren't interested. It's was a complete piece of crap even when new and is worthless. The barrel is heavily rusted and I'd be afraid if it did manage to fire it would hurt the person shooting it.

How the heck do you safely dispose of old guns/ammo?


Toss it off a bridge. Pretend you just performed a service as a hitman for hire and you're ensuring the murder weapon will never be found.
 
2012-12-27 01:27:57 AM  

AnyName: stevarooni: Sell it to a dealer or someone else you're sure isn't a felon or out-of-stater; in the current fervor, you ought to be able to beat $200, easy.

I took it to a dealer and they weren't interested. It's was a complete piece of crap even when new and is worthless. The barrel is heavily rusted and I'd be afraid if it did manage to fire it would hurt the person shooting it.

How the heck do you safely dispose of old guns/ammo?


armslist.com

I got rid of 100 really old shotgun shells (newest was prob 40yrs old) on there and put $30 in my pocket in the process. People on there will buy anything.
 
2012-12-27 01:32:11 AM  

stevarooni: hundreddollarman: So what happens to these guns after their turned in?

Not to worry, cops need a source of drop guns, don't they? As well as some cops' private collections enriched at the rate of $100-$200 of taxpayer money for each item. It's just a perk of the job.


Yeah, then they can flip 'em at some ridiculous markup on the black market. So the cycle goes.
 
2012-12-27 01:37:53 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Authorities recovered 53 assault weapons, 791 handguns, 527 rifles, 302 shotguns and one anti-tank rocket launcher.

Man, I HATE articles that don't give us more details. Because WHO THE F*CK had an anti-tank rocket launcher and what did the cops say/do/think when someone hauled that out of the trunk of his car?


There are no more details to give. That's what "no questions asked" means.
 
2012-12-27 01:44:37 AM  
Them guys are morons. Gun buy-backs are a joke. I work selling firearms and nothing you took in, at least in the video you showed was worth more than $50 on the market. Or it was gutted of useful parts.
We did this in Rockford, IL 15 years ago. We gutted every known part from the firearms that made it a gun and they still bought them.

We spelled out "JOKE" with the vouchers.

Cali is the only state worse than Illinois in the laughing stock of this nation.
 
2012-12-27 01:47:15 AM  

Gordon Bennett: Gyrfalcon: Authorities recovered 53 assault weapons, 791 handguns, 527 rifles, 302 shotguns and one anti-tank rocket launcher.

Man, I HATE articles that don't give us more details. Because WHO THE F*CK had an anti-tank rocket launcher and what did the cops say/do/think when someone hauled that out of the trunk of his car?

There are no more details to give. That's what "no questions asked" means.


Sure there are. Like how many officers had to change their uniforms after some idiot pulled the LAW out of the back of his Buick and said "Here ya go!"
 
2012-12-27 01:48:46 AM  

universebetween: all the guns are melted down. how sad


I'm happy with it, depending on what they are. Locked away in a safe someplace, my mother has an AR-15 that she inherited after my father died. If it belonged to me, I'd give it to one of these programs to be destroyed.
 
2012-12-27 01:52:00 AM  

thisispete: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares


"those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those who don't"
 
2012-12-27 01:52:27 AM  

Wayne 985: Gyrfalcon: Authorities recovered 53 assault weapons, 791 handguns, 527 rifles, 302 shotguns and one anti-tank rocket launcher.

Man, I HATE articles that don't give us more details. Because WHO THE F*CK had an anti-tank rocket launcher and what did the cops say/do/think when someone hauled that out of the trunk of his car?

Yeah, it's not the first time either. I've seen a few of these articles over the years where some weirdo shows up with a rocket launcher or some other anti-armor weaponry.


Most rocket launchers (like a RPG) are mostly just a pipe with a bit of mechanics to trigger the rocket.

If you don't have any rockets , which are much harder to get than the launchers, the the only way you could hurt someone with it is by taking it and hitting them on the head ....
 
2012-12-27 01:53:34 AM  

universebetween: all the guns are melted down. how sad


The thing to do is go to one of these buy back drives , sit in the parking lot, and purchase all the good stuff before they take it into be destroyed. Put a sign on your car or something
 
2012-12-27 01:54:10 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com


Guns and Butter eh? Don't forget the goat!
 
2012-12-27 01:54:54 AM  
Police also apprehended a pair of pocket pistols worth an estimated $2,000

gj Lou
 
2012-12-27 02:00:14 AM  

AnyName: stevarooni: Sell it to a dealer or someone else you're sure isn't a felon or out-of-stater; in the current fervor, you ought to be able to beat $200, easy.

I took it to a dealer and they weren't interested. It's was a complete piece of crap even when new and is worthless. The barrel is heavily rusted and I'd be afraid if it did manage to fire it would hurt the person shooting it.

How the heck do you safely dispose of old guns/ammo?


Use 48oz of Thermite!

/Easy to make
//Stand Back!
//Use a Magnesium fuse
 
2012-12-27 02:02:26 AM  

Wayne 985: universebetween: all the guns are melted down. how sad

I'm happy with it, depending on what they are. Locked away in a safe someplace, my mother has an AR-15 that she inherited after my father died. If it belonged to me, I'd give it to one of these programs to be destroyed.


That is dumb. AR-15's are worth minimum $500 on the secondary market. Sell it using an FFL to do the transfer(so there is a background check) and you will make a minimum of $200, and one of your fathers possessions won't be needlessly destroyed. Or are you afraid of it because it is an evil black rifle?
 
2012-12-27 02:04:58 AM  

CujoQuarrel: Wayne 985: Gyrfalcon: Authorities recovered 53 assault weapons, 791 handguns, 527 rifles, 302 shotguns and one anti-tank rocket launcher.

Man, I HATE articles that don't give us more details. Because WHO THE F*CK had an anti-tank rocket launcher and what did the cops say/do/think when someone hauled that out of the trunk of his car?

Yeah, it's not the first time either. I've seen a few of these articles over the years where some weirdo shows up with a rocket launcher or some other anti-armor weaponry.

Most rocket launchers (like a RPG) are mostly just a pipe with a bit of mechanics to trigger the rocket.

If you don't have any rockets , which are much harder to get than the launchers, the the only way you could hurt someone with it is by taking it and hitting them on the head ....


Most of the time the "anti tank rocket launchers" are just the tube from a M72 LAW, DRMO surplussed a bunch of em in the late 80/early 90s and you still see em pop up now and then, as they were one shot and non reloadable they are harmless collectors items, the only ones that are even remotely dangerous were a few training launchers with reloadable subcaliber rockets, since they were not considered destructive devices a small quantity of them were sold, however the subcaliber rockets had a spotting charge in the nose that could ruin your day if you were hit and so were quickly pulled from the authorized surplus lists , so they are rare as hens teeth now.
 
2012-12-27 02:08:13 AM  
Interested:

livelikeroyal.com
 
2012-12-27 02:10:16 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Gordon Bennett: Gyrfalcon: Authorities recovered 53 assault weapons, 791 handguns, 527 rifles, 302 shotguns and one anti-tank rocket launcher.

Man, I HATE articles that don't give us more details. Because WHO THE F*CK had an anti-tank rocket launcher and what did the cops say/do/think when someone hauled that out of the trunk of his car?

There are no more details to give. That's what "no questions asked" means.

Sure there are. Like how many officers had to change their uniforms after some idiot pulled the LAW out of the back of his Buick and said "Here ya go!"


Ok, THAT'S funny. I'm gonna take a camera to one of these things to see if I can get lucky and film a cop pissing himself.
 
2012-12-27 02:20:18 AM  
You know what gun buy-back programs do? They raise the price of the lowest value guns.

Even if you're selling your gun now because you need cash fast, you know the guy buying it can get at least $100 for it, so you'll make sure you get a cut of that.
 
2012-12-27 02:20:19 AM  

BadReligion: Wayne 985: universebetween: all the guns are melted down. how sad

I'm happy with it, depending on what they are. Locked away in a safe someplace, my mother has an AR-15 that she inherited after my father died. If it belonged to me, I'd give it to one of these programs to be destroyed.

That is dumb. AR-15's are worth minimum $500 on the secondary market. Sell it using an FFL to do the transfer(so there is a background check) and you will make a minimum of $200, and one of your fathers possessions won't be needlessly destroyed. Or are you afraid of it because it is an evil black rifle?


I'm skeptical there should be civilian ownership of assault rifles, and if I'm going to apply that to other people, I'll apply it to myself as well.
 
2012-12-27 02:23:25 AM  

Wayne 985: BadReligion: Wayne 985: universebetween: all the guns are melted down. how sad

I'm happy with it, depending on what they are. Locked away in a safe someplace, my mother has an AR-15 that she inherited after my father died. If it belonged to me, I'd give it to one of these programs to be destroyed.

That is dumb. AR-15's are worth minimum $500 on the secondary market. Sell it using an FFL to do the transfer(so there is a background check) and you will make a minimum of $200, and one of your fathers possessions won't be needlessly destroyed. Or are you afraid of it because it is an evil black rifle?

I'm skeptical there should be civilian ownership of assault rifles, and if I'm going to apply that to other people, I'll apply it to myself as well.


Civilian-marketed AR-15 rifles do not feature select-fire capability and thus by definition cannot be classified as "assault rifles".
 
2012-12-27 02:24:28 AM  

Dimensio: Civilian-marketed AR-15 rifles do not feature select-fire capability and thus by definition cannot be classified as "assault rifles".


By that rationale, the Bushmaster used in Sandy Hook wasn't an assault rifle.
 
2012-12-27 02:25:20 AM  

Wayne 985: Dimensio: Civilian-marketed AR-15 rifles do not feature select-fire capability and thus by definition cannot be classified as "assault rifles".

By that rationale, the Bushmaster used in Sandy Hook wasn't an assault rifle.


You are correct; it was not.
 
2012-12-27 02:25:59 AM  

Wayne 985: Dimensio: Civilian-marketed AR-15 rifles do not feature select-fire capability and thus by definition cannot be classified as "assault rifles".

By that rationale, the Bushmaster used in Sandy Hook wasn't an assault rifle.


For the record, if you prefer, I'll use the term "assault weapon", but we all know what I'm talking about.
 
2012-12-27 02:26:47 AM  
So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?
 
2012-12-27 02:28:06 AM  

Wayne 985: Dimensio: Civilian-marketed AR-15 rifles do not feature select-fire capability and thus by definition cannot be classified as "assault rifles".

By that rationale, the Bushmaster used in Sandy Hook wasn't an assault rifle.


It wasn't. A assault rifle is a select fire weapon. A civilian AR15 is a semi automatic, detachable magazine fed sporting rifle. It fires a .223/5.56mm cartridge that is considered low power and was originally marketed as a varmint round.
 
2012-12-27 02:28:07 AM  

Wayne 985: Wayne 985: Dimensio: Civilian-marketed AR-15 rifles do not feature select-fire capability and thus by definition cannot be classified as "assault rifles".

By that rationale, the Bushmaster used in Sandy Hook wasn't an assault rifle.

For the record, if you prefer, I'll use the term "assault weapon", but we all know what I'm talking about.


Yes; you are discussing a semi-automatic rifle fed from a detachable magazine whose appearance is "menacing" according to some individuals despite it being functionally equivalent to any other magazine-fed semi-automatic rifle in the same caliber.
 
2012-12-27 02:29:08 AM  

Wayne 985: Wayne 985: Dimensio: Civilian-marketed AR-15 rifles do not feature select-fire capability and thus by definition cannot be classified as "assault rifles".

By that rationale, the Bushmaster used in Sandy Hook wasn't an assault rifle.

For the record, if you prefer, I'll use the term "assault weapon", but we all know what I'm talking about.


'assault weapon' is a political term for an Evil Black Rifle (EBR), and are classified as such entirely on cosmetic criteria. Your AR-15 is NO different from a Ruger 10/22, except that the Ruger has a nice, non-threatening wooden stock.

Given the panic buying on AR15s as of late, you stand to make a few hundred on that rifle should you choose to sell it.
 
2012-12-27 02:29:14 AM  

Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?


Bolt-action is fine.
 
2012-12-27 02:30:17 AM  

Wayne 985: BadReligion: Wayne 985: universebetween: all the guns are melted down. how sad

I'm happy with it, depending on what they are. Locked away in a safe someplace, my mother has an AR-15 that she inherited after my father died. If it belonged to me, I'd give it to one of these programs to be destroyed.

That is dumb. AR-15's are worth minimum $500 on the secondary market. Sell it using an FFL to do the transfer(so there is a background check) and you will make a minimum of $200, and one of your fathers possessions won't be needlessly destroyed. Or are you afraid of it because it is an evil black rifle?

I'm skeptical there should be civilian ownership of assault rifles, and if I'm going to apply that to other people, I'll apply it to myself as well.


There are very few Assault rifles legally on the market. To get one you have to have a special license and find one that was made before a certain year (can't remember , 1986 maybe). They cost a lot of money. Assault rifles have either a burst mode or a full auto mode.

You are probably confusing 'Assault Rifle' with 'Assault Weapon' which is a meaningless term that describes cosmetically modified semi-automatic rifles.
 
2012-12-27 02:31:10 AM  

Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?

Bolt-action is fine.


So no lever action rifles either?
 
2012-12-27 02:32:24 AM  

Benjamin Orr: Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?

Bolt-action is fine.

So no lever action rifles either?


Sure. Bolt-action, lever-action, pump-action. I'm fine with those.
 
2012-12-27 02:32:44 AM  

MaliFinn: The city netted 1,673 firearms, a four-year low, at the buyback program last May. Authorities recovered 53 assault weapons, 791 handguns, 527 rifles, 302 shotguns and one anti-tank rocket launcher.
[i208.photobucket.com image 168x224]


Media sensationalism again. I remember that story from last year - most of those guns were either junk, found, or inherited by morons, and the "anti-tank rocket launcher" might have been one once, but what was turned in was a deactivated movie prop. Not the real thing.

And they knew it, as it was stated in the article that it was a non-functioning prop.
 
2012-12-27 02:34:38 AM  

Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?

Bolt-action is fine.

So no lever action rifles either?

Sure. Bolt-action, lever-action, pump-action. I'm fine with those.


heh... well ok then. just say ban all semi-automatic rifles then and skip all the "assault" references.

going to ban semi-auto handguns and double action revolvers as well?

going to limit the number of rounds in a lever gun?
 
2012-12-27 02:34:54 AM  

Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?

Bolt-action is fine.


i74.photobucket.com
So ehow I think you could do much more damage with this bolt action rifle than a 5.56mm AR-15.
 
2012-12-27 02:36:09 AM  

BadReligion: Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?

Bolt-action is fine.

[i74.photobucket.com image 798x335]
So ehow I think you could do much more damage with this bolt action rifle than a 5.56mm AR-15.


Somehow*. Stupid iPad.
 
2012-12-27 02:37:03 AM  

BadReligion: Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?

Bolt-action is fine.

[i74.photobucket.com image 798x335]
So ehow I think you could do much more damage with this bolt action rifle than a 5.56mm AR-15.


now, now. there's no need to attack the guy. he has his own values. we're just trying to keep that AR15 from being turned into razor blades and maybe make a few hundred for him.
 
2012-12-27 02:37:34 AM  
I like to consider myself an informed shopper, but it's hard to buy guns made out of 100% recycled materials. I'm glad to see environmentally conscious gun owners are doing their part to recycle their old guns rather than just throw them in the trash. It's things like this that make me sure we'll solve the global warming problems.
 
2012-12-27 02:39:22 AM  

CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?

Bolt-action is fine.

[i74.photobucket.com image 798x335]
So ehow I think you could do much more damage with this bolt action rifle than a 5.56mm AR-15.

now, now. there's no need to attack the guy. he has his own values. we're just trying to keep that AR15 from being turned into razor blades and maybe make a few hundred for him.


I was the first one trying to do that, this guy is just afraid of something he doesn't understand, and thinks other people shouldn't have them because of it.
 
2012-12-27 02:40:33 AM  

CthulhuCalling: 'assault weapon' is a political term for an Evil Black Rifle (EBR), and are classified as such entirely on cosmetic criteria. Your AR-15 is NO different from a Ruger 10/22, except that the Ruger has a nice, non-threatening wooden stock.


The Rugers and M1A style rifles, despite being "legitimate sporting rifles" under almost any states "assault weapon" laws are actually more dangerous than any of the evil black rifles that hysterical people like Wayne 985 want to ban because of how easy they are to actually jury rig into a real assault weapon...


i135.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-27 02:42:45 AM  

BadReligion: CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?

Bolt-action is fine.

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So ehow I think you could do much more damage with this bolt action rifle than a 5.56mm AR-15.

now, now. there's no need to attack the guy. he has his own values. we're just trying to keep that AR15 from being turned into razor blades and maybe make a few hundred for him.

I was the first one trying to do that, this guy is just afraid of something he doesn't understand, and thinks other people shouldn't have them because of it.


OHAI! Vegas resident too? Those hills in your profile pics look like you're out near Hendertucky.
 
2012-12-27 02:42:48 AM  
Honest question: do they check the guns they get to see if they are connected to any unsolved crimes?
 
2012-12-27 02:42:57 AM  

Benjamin Orr: going to ban semi-auto handguns and double action revolvers as well?

going to limit the number of rounds in a lever gun?


No. I don't have interest in banning sensible weapons for home/self defense or hunting. My concern is with weapons designed specifically for military use (ie, to hunt and kill humans).

If handguns are licensed, registered, and free of high capacity magazines, then I don't have much concern.
 
2012-12-27 02:43:43 AM  

Wayne 985: BadReligion: Wayne 985: universebetween: all the guns are melted down. how sad

I'm happy with it, depending on what they are. Locked away in a safe someplace, my mother has an AR-15 that she inherited after my father died. If it belonged to me, I'd give it to one of these programs to be destroyed.

That is dumb. AR-15's are worth minimum $500 on the secondary market. Sell it using an FFL to do the transfer(so there is a background check) and you will make a minimum of $200, and one of your fathers possessions won't be needlessly destroyed. Or are you afraid of it because it is an evil black rifle?

I'm skeptical there should be civilian ownership of assault rifles, and if I'm going to apply that to other people, I'll apply it to myself as well.


Except for a very small pool of guns and the people that can afford them (not you or I, I assure you), assault rifles are already illegal. Quit being a tard.
 
2012-12-27 02:44:14 AM  

Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: going to ban semi-auto handguns and double action revolvers as well?

going to limit the number of rounds in a lever gun?

No. I don't have interest in banning sensible weapons for home/self defense or hunting. My concern is with weapons designed specifically for military use (ie, to hunt and kill humans).


For what reason, then, do you oppose civilian ownership of a multitude of rifle models used for hunting?
 
2012-12-27 02:44:30 AM  

BadReligion: I was the first one trying to do that, this guy is just afraid of something he doesn't understand, and thinks other people shouldn't have them because of it.


Relax. Your guns aren't going anywhere. Most Americans disagree with me.
 
2012-12-27 02:45:48 AM  

CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?

Bolt-action is fine.

[i74.photobucket.com image 798x335]
So ehow I think you could do much more damage with this bolt action rifle than a 5.56mm AR-15.

now, now. there's no need to attack the guy. he has his own values. we're just trying to keep that AR15 from being turned into razor blades and maybe make a few hundred for him.

I was the first one trying to do that, this guy is just afraid of something he doesn't understand, and thinks other people shouldn't have them because of it.

OHAI! Vegas resident too? Those hills in your profile pics look like you're out near Hendertucky.


No where close, South side of Vegas, kinda by the mountains. You?
 
2012-12-27 02:45:48 AM  

Dimensio: For what reason, then, do you oppose civilian ownership of a multitude of rifle models used for hunting?


You don't need an AR-15 to hunt deer.
 
2012-12-27 02:46:34 AM  

Pribar: CthulhuCalling: 'assault weapon' is a political term for an Evil Black Rifle (EBR), and are classified as such entirely on cosmetic criteria. Your AR-15 is NO different from a Ruger 10/22, except that the Ruger has a nice, non-threatening wooden stock.

The Rugers and M1A style rifles, despite being "legitimate sporting rifles" under almost any states "assault weapon" laws are actually more dangerous than any of the evil black rifles that hysterical people like Wayne 985 want to ban because of how easy they are to actually jury rig into a real assault weapon...


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Wait until they find out about the paper on the seer trick...........or that M1As are only a pin punch and 5 minutes away from being M14s.
 
2012-12-27 02:47:14 AM  

Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: going to ban semi-auto handguns and double action revolvers as well?

going to limit the number of rounds in a lever gun?

No. I don't have interest in banning sensible weapons for home/self defense or hunting. My concern is with weapons designed specifically for military use (ie, to hunt and kill humans).

If handguns are licensed, registered, and free of high capacity magazines, then I don't have much concern.


So the lever/bolt action guns that use magazines and are deadlier than the AR15 are still ok? Cool.
 
2012-12-27 02:47:24 AM  

Wayne 985: Dimensio: For what reason, then, do you oppose civilian ownership of a multitude of rifle models used for hunting?

You don't need an AR-15 to hunt deer.


You don't need Islam to have a religion either. Can we ban it?
 
2012-12-27 02:48:05 AM  

Wayne 985: Dimensio: For what reason, then, do you oppose civilian ownership of a multitude of rifle models used for hunting?

You don't need an AR-15 to hunt deer.


I have never claimed such. I acknowledge that the .223 Remington and 5.56x45mm NATO caliber rounds are too light and underpowered for deer hunting.

You did not address my question.
 
2012-12-27 02:48:29 AM  

BadReligion: CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?

Bolt-action is fine.

[i74.photobucket.com image 798x335]
So ehow I think you could do much more damage with this bolt action rifle than a 5.56mm AR-15.

now, now. there's no need to attack the guy. he has his own values. we're just trying to keep that AR15 from being turned into razor blades and maybe make a few hundred for him.

I was the first one trying to do that, this guy is just afraid of something he doesn't understand, and thinks other people shouldn't have them because of it.

OHAI! Vegas resident too? Those hills in your profile pics look like you're out near Hendertucky.

No where close, South side of Vegas, kinda by the mountains. You?


Northside. Represent, yo. Spend my time at CCSP to escape the smell of the pig farm.
 
2012-12-27 02:49:41 AM  

Wayne 985: Dimensio: For what reason, then, do you oppose civilian ownership of a multitude of rifle models used for hunting?

You don't need an AR-15 to hunt deer.


My AR15 is less deadly that the "hunting rifles" you seem to be ok with. I have never killed a living creature with it, and never plan to. It has killed an old tube TV out in the desert though.
 
2012-12-27 02:51:25 AM  

Wayne 985: Dimensio: For what reason, then, do you oppose civilian ownership of a multitude of rifle models used for hunting?

You don't need an AR-15 to hunt deer.


The .223 round is insufficient to hunt deer with. An AR10, chambered for .308 is appropriate. There are several civilan semiautomatic rifles chambered for .308 that are perfectly legal for hunting. The only difference is that the AR10 is 'tacticool' and you'd likely get laughed out of the woods by anyone who saw you hunting with it.
 
2012-12-27 02:52:38 AM  

BadReligion: Wayne 985: Dimensio: For what reason, then, do you oppose civilian ownership of a multitude of rifle models used for hunting?

You don't need an AR-15 to hunt deer.

My AR15 is less deadly that the "hunting rifles" you seem to be ok with. I have never killed a living creature with it, and never plan to. It has killed an old tube TV out in the desert though.


My AR-15 is currently configured to fire .22LR ammunition. It is less powerful than the handgun that I routinely carry on my person.
 
2012-12-27 02:52:59 AM  

Wayne 985: Dimensio: For what reason, then, do you oppose civilian ownership of a multitude of rifle models used for hunting?

You don't need an AR-15 to hunt deer.


I don't need a BMW M5 to drive to work with either, you wanna ban them too? they are more dangerous than any black gun on the market
 
2012-12-27 02:53:15 AM  

CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?

Bolt-action is fine.

[i74.photobucket.com image 798x335]
So ehow I think you could do much more damage with this bolt action rifle than a 5.56mm AR-15.

now, now. there's no need to attack the guy. he has his own values. we're just trying to keep that AR15 from being turned into razor blades and maybe make a few hundred for him.

I was the first one trying to do that, this guy is just afraid of something he doesn't understand, and thinks other people shouldn't have them because of it.

OHAI! Vegas resident too? Those hills in your profile pics look like you're out near Hendertucky.

No where close, South side of Vegas, kinda by the mountains. You?

Northside. Represent, yo. Spend my time at CCSP to escape the smell of the pig farm.


I grew up off Craig and Clayton, that pig farm smell is strong with the right wind. I used to go to CCSP, but got a membership to the Desert Hills Shooting Club in Boulder City, and go there now. They have a world class clay pigeon course out there. I have killed a lot of clay with my semi automatic Browning Silver Hunter 12 gauge.
 
2012-12-27 02:55:32 AM  

CthulhuCalling: Wayne 985: Dimensio: For what reason, then, do you oppose civilian ownership of a multitude of rifle models used for hunting?

You don't need an AR-15 to hunt deer.

The .223 round is insufficient to hunt deer with. An AR10, chambered for .308 is appropriate. There are several civilan semiautomatic rifles chambered for .308 that are perfectly legal for hunting. The only difference is that the AR10 is 'tacticool' and you'd likely get laughed out of the woods by anyone who saw you hunting with it.


Not really. I get more people inquiring about AR-10s than bolt actions for hunting. Lots of advantageous characteristics for hunting. Less recoil, quick follow up shots, and usually cheaper than a custom hunting rifle.
 
2012-12-27 02:56:45 AM  

BadReligion: I grew up off Craig and Clayton, that pig farm smell is strong with the right wind. I used to go to CCSP, but got a membership to the Desert Hills Shooting Club in Boulder City, and go there now. They have a world class clay pigeon course out there. I have killed a lot of clay with my semi automatic Browning Silver Hunter 12 gauge.


It is still strong and I'm a few miles east of it. I have no pity for the people who moved into the communities surrounding it. CCSP is finally building their sporting clays range, it's supposed to be done in the spring, so expect it to be done by winter 2014. I keep meaning to try the trap lanes out there. I don't have a trap gun, but a pair of Mossberg tacticals that would be fun to try.
 
2012-12-27 02:59:15 AM  

CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: I grew up off Craig and Clayton, that pig farm smell is strong with the right wind. I used to go to CCSP, but got a membership to the Desert Hills Shooting Club in Boulder City, and go there now. They have a world class clay pigeon course out there. I have killed a lot of clay with my semi automatic Browning Silver Hunter 12 gauge.

It is still strong and I'm a few miles east of it. I have no pity for the people who moved into the communities surrounding it. CCSP is finally building their sporting clays range, it's supposed to be done in the spring, so expect it to be done by winter 2014. I keep meaning to try the trap lanes out there. I don't have a trap gun, but a pair of Mossberg tacticals that would be fun to try.


Shooting trap with a pump shotgun is fun for a second, than gets frustrating. You really need either an over/under or a semi auto to really have any chance of hitting any pairs.
 
2012-12-27 02:59:19 AM  

Benjamin Orr: So the lever/bolt action guns that use magazines and are deadlier than the AR15 are still ok? Cool.


Didn't I address this already? I'm not re-reading the whole thread, but if a bolt-action, for example, has a small clip, then who cares?

And if you're going to shoot up a school, do you really think a Winchester 70 is going to be more deadly than a Bushmaster?
 
2012-12-27 02:59:42 AM  

CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: I grew up off Craig and Clayton, that pig farm smell is strong with the right wind. I used to go to CCSP, but got a membership to the Desert Hills Shooting Club in Boulder City, and go there now. They have a world class clay pigeon course out there. I have killed a lot of clay with my semi automatic Browning Silver Hunter 12 gauge.

It is still strong and I'm a few miles east of it. I have no pity for the people who moved into the communities surrounding it. CCSP is finally building their sporting clays range, it's supposed to be done in the spring, so expect it to be done by winter 2014. I keep meaning to try the trap lanes out there. I don't have a trap gun, but a pair of Mossberg tacticals that would be fun to try.


How appropriate is a Saiga 12 for trap shooting?
 
2012-12-27 03:01:25 AM  

Pribar: Wayne 985: Dimensio: For what reason, then, do you oppose civilian ownership of a multitude of rifle models used for hunting?

You don't need an AR-15 to hunt deer.

I don't need a BMW M5 to drive to work with either, you wanna ban them too? they are more dangerous than any black gun on the market


Your BMW requires mandatory safety testing and insurance, for starters. It also has a beneficial purpose.
 
2012-12-27 03:02:04 AM  

BadReligion: CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: I grew up off Craig and Clayton, that pig farm smell is strong with the right wind. I used to go to CCSP, but got a membership to the Desert Hills Shooting Club in Boulder City, and go there now. They have a world class clay pigeon course out there. I have killed a lot of clay with my semi automatic Browning Silver Hunter 12 gauge.

It is still strong and I'm a few miles east of it. I have no pity for the people who moved into the communities surrounding it. CCSP is finally building their sporting clays range, it's supposed to be done in the spring, so expect it to be done by winter 2014. I keep meaning to try the trap lanes out there. I don't have a trap gun, but a pair of Mossberg tacticals that would be fun to try.

Shooting trap with a pump shotgun is fun for a second, than gets frustrating. You really need either an over/under or a semi auto to really have any chance of hitting any pairs.


One of my Mossys is a 930 SPX semiauto. Surprisingly accurate gun for a shotty and fun as hell to shoot.
 
2012-12-27 03:02:25 AM  

Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?

Bolt-action is fine.


What if I need to shoot 30 deer in rapid succession??
 
2012-12-27 03:03:32 AM  

Dimensio: CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: I grew up off Craig and Clayton, that pig farm smell is strong with the right wind. I used to go to CCSP, but got a membership to the Desert Hills Shooting Club in Boulder City, and go there now. They have a world class clay pigeon course out there. I have killed a lot of clay with my semi automatic Browning Silver Hunter 12 gauge.

It is still strong and I'm a few miles east of it. I have no pity for the people who moved into the communities surrounding it. CCSP is finally building their sporting clays range, it's supposed to be done in the spring, so expect it to be done by winter 2014. I keep meaning to try the trap lanes out there. I don't have a trap gun, but a pair of Mossberg tacticals that would be fun to try.

How appropriate is a Saiga 12 for trap shooting?


Most would look down on it, but if you went somewhere with lax rules, they may let you use a shotgun with a capacity of more than 2, as long as you didn't fire more than 2 shots per pair.
 
2012-12-27 03:04:31 AM  

Wayne 985: Pribar: Wayne 985: Dimensio: For what reason, then, do you oppose civilian ownership of a multitude of rifle models used for hunting?

You don't need an AR-15 to hunt deer.

I don't need a BMW M5 to drive to work with either, you wanna ban them too? they are more dangerous than any black gun on the market

Your BMW requires mandatory safety testing and insurance, for starters. It also has a beneficial purpose.


I think we've gotten to the core of Wayne 985's belief structure.
 
2012-12-27 03:04:34 AM  

BadReligion: Dimensio: CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: I grew up off Craig and Clayton, that pig farm smell is strong with the right wind. I used to go to CCSP, but got a membership to the Desert Hills Shooting Club in Boulder City, and go there now. They have a world class clay pigeon course out there. I have killed a lot of clay with my semi automatic Browning Silver Hunter 12 gauge.

It is still strong and I'm a few miles east of it. I have no pity for the people who moved into the communities surrounding it. CCSP is finally building their sporting clays range, it's supposed to be done in the spring, so expect it to be done by winter 2014. I keep meaning to try the trap lanes out there. I don't have a trap gun, but a pair of Mossberg tacticals that would be fun to try.

How appropriate is a Saiga 12 for trap shooting?

Most would look down on it, but if you went somewhere with lax rules, they may let you use a shotgun with a capacity of more than 2, as long as you didn't fire more than 2 shots per pair.


The smallest magazine that I own for it holds five rounds, though nothing would prevent me from loading only two rounds into it.
 
2012-12-27 03:05:12 AM  

Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So the lever/bolt action guns that use magazines and are deadlier than the AR15 are still ok? Cool.

Didn't I address this already? I'm not re-reading the whole thread, but if a bolt-action, for example, has a small clip, then who cares?

And if you're going to shoot up a school, do you really think a Winchester 70 is going to be more deadly than a Bushmaster?


But not all bolt actions have small magazines... there are a few that actually use the same mags as AR15s.

If I was going to be shot I would prefer to be hit by .223 and not .308.
 
2012-12-27 03:06:22 AM  

Dimensio: Most would look down on it, but if you went somewhere with lax rules, they may let you use a shotgun with a capacity of more than 2, as long as you didn't fire more than 2 shots per pair.

The smallest magazine that I own for it holds five rounds, though nothing would prevent me from loading only two rounds into it.


you can always go out to an unincorporated area out of town with a buddy, a thrower and a case of clay pigeons and do whatever the hell you want (as long as it's done safely)
 
2012-12-27 03:07:20 AM  

Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So the lever/bolt action guns that use magazines and are deadlier than the AR15 are still ok? Cool.

Didn't I address this already? I'm not re-reading the whole thread, but if a bolt-action, for example, has a small clip, then who cares?

And if you're going to shoot up a school, do you really think a Winchester 70 is going to be more deadly than a Bushmaster?


What about the Barrett .50 cal bolt rifle with a 5 round magazine? That is much more potentially deadly that any AR15 in 5.56, but it meets all of your previously stated criteria.
 
2012-12-27 03:08:15 AM  

CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: I grew up off Craig and Clayton, that pig farm smell is strong with the right wind. I used to go to CCSP, but got a membership to the Desert Hills Shooting Club in Boulder City, and go there now. They have a world class clay pigeon course out there. I have killed a lot of clay with my semi automatic Browning Silver Hunter 12 gauge.

It is still strong and I'm a few miles east of it. I have no pity for the people who moved into the communities surrounding it. CCSP is finally building their sporting clays range, it's supposed to be done in the spring, so expect it to be done by winter 2014. I keep meaning to try the trap lanes out there. I don't have a trap gun, but a pair of Mossberg tacticals that would be fun to try.

Shooting trap with a pump shotgun is fun for a second, than gets frustrating. You really need either an over/under or a semi auto to really have any chance of hitting any pairs.

One of my Mossys is a 930 SPX semiauto. Surprisingly accurate gun for a shotty and fun as hell to shoot.


That would probably be just fine, as long as you had the right choke.
 
2012-12-27 03:11:12 AM  

Wayne 985: Pribar: Wayne 985: Dimensio: For what reason, then, do you oppose civilian ownership of a multitude of rifle models used for hunting?

You don't need an AR-15 to hunt deer.

I don't need a BMW M5 to drive to work with either, you wanna ban them too? they are more dangerous than any black gun on the market

Your BMW requires mandatory safety testing and insurance, for starters. It also has a beneficial purpose.


Firearms have mandatory safety features, like cars and you have admitted that firearms serve a beneficial purpose

Wayne 985: No. I don't have interest in banning sensible weapons for home/self defense or hunting



so in reality all you are interested in is getting rid of something that looks scary?
 
2012-12-27 03:13:04 AM  

BadReligion: One of my Mossys is a 930 SPX semiauto. Surprisingly accurate gun for a shotty and fun as hell to shoot.

That would probably be just fine, as long as you had the right choke.


She's a tactical shotgun, only choke is the barrel itself. I may have to borrow the wife's 20-gauge.
 
2012-12-27 03:15:19 AM  

Pribar: so in reality all you are interested in is getting rid of something that looks scary?


If the thing is in good shape and from a reputable manufacturer, I'll take it out of his life and give it a good home. I'll take it outside, clean it, lube it and let it spend time with others of its own kind.
 
2012-12-27 03:15:52 AM  

CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: One of my Mossys is a 930 SPX semiauto. Surprisingly accurate gun for a shotty and fun as hell to shoot.

That would probably be just fine, as long as you had the right choke.

She's a tactical shotgun, only choke is the barrel itself. I may have to borrow the wife's 20-gauge.

Yeah, you want the shot to spread out a nice amount, otherwise you won't hit too much.
 
2012-12-27 03:16:04 AM  

Pribar: CthulhuCalling: 'assault weapon' is a political term for an Evil Black Rifle (EBR), and are classified as such entirely on cosmetic criteria. Your AR-15 is NO different from a Ruger 10/22, except that the Ruger has a nice, non-threatening wooden stock.

The Rugers and M1A style rifles, despite being "legitimate sporting rifles" under almost any states "assault weapon" laws are actually more dangerous than any of the evil black rifles that hysterical people like Wayne 985 want to ban because of how easy they are to actually jury rig into a real assault weapon...


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Whats the purpose of using string to tie the action open? seems to be a stupid way to make a gun lock, anyone can cut it and use the gun.
 
2012-12-27 03:16:19 AM  
some assault rifles.." "

one "rocket launcher" which may have been real or not. (note only when it fits your agenda are the police not lying)

and the rest are rusted out Lorcins or other PoS that were worth less than $100 in the first place
 
2012-12-27 03:19:57 AM  

master luthier: Pribar: CthulhuCalling: 'assault weapon' is a political term for an Evil Black Rifle (EBR), and are classified as such entirely on cosmetic criteria. Your AR-15 is NO different from a Ruger 10/22, except that the Ruger has a nice, non-threatening wooden stock.

The Rugers and M1A style rifles, despite being "legitimate sporting rifles" under almost any states "assault weapon" laws are actually more dangerous than any of the evil black rifles that hysterical people like Wayne 985 want to ban because of how easy they are to actually jury rig into a real assault weapon...


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Whats the purpose of using string to tie the action open? seems to be a stupid way to make a gun lock, anyone can cut it and use the gun.


It's a ghetto way of making a semiautomatic rifle into something that shoots like an auto. I don't know if it's a joke or a genuine hack, but I have heard stories that BATFE considered it to be a true conversion and therefore, illegal.
 
2012-12-27 03:21:39 AM  

Benjamin Orr: But not all bolt actions have small magazines... there are a few that actually use the same mags as AR15s.


We're going in circles. I've already addressed large mags/clips.

BadReligion: What about the Barrett .50 cal bolt rifle with a 5 round magazine? That is much more potentially deadly that any AR15 in 5.56, but it meets all of your previously stated criteria.


No one likes a smartass, friend. A bazooka fires one round at a time, but no sensible person is okay with selling those to civilians either.. In the same vein, I'm not okay with selling anti-material rifles.

Pribar: I don't need a BMW M5 to drive to work with either, you wanna ban them too? they are more dangerous than any black gun on the market

Your BMW requires mandatory safety testing and insurance, for starters. It also has a beneficial purpose.

Firearms have mandatory safety features, like cars


Two different things. A mandatory safety feature in a car is something like a seat belt. I was talking about safety testing. If you think guns should be regulated the same as cars, I might be inclined to agree with you.

and you have admitted that firearms serve a beneficial purpose

It depends on the gun.

/Off to sleep.
 
2012-12-27 03:22:28 AM  

master luthier: Pribar: CthulhuCalling: 'assault weapon' is a political term for an Evil Black Rifle (EBR), and are classified as such entirely on cosmetic criteria. Your AR-15 is NO different from a Ruger 10/22, except that the Ruger has a nice, non-threatening wooden stock.

The Rugers and M1A style rifles, despite being "legitimate sporting rifles" under almost any states "assault weapon" laws are actually more dangerous than any of the evil black rifles that hysterical people like Wayne 985 want to ban because of how easy they are to actually jury rig into a real assault weapon...


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Whats the purpose of using string to tie the action open? seems to be a stupid way to make a gun lock, anyone can cut it and use the gun.


I was guessing that it made it act like a full auto somehow
 
2012-12-27 03:24:43 AM  

Wayne 985: Two different things. A mandatory safety feature in a car is something like a seat belt. I was talking about safety testing. If you think guns should be regulated the same as cars, I might be inclined to agree with you.


A mandatory safety feature in a gun is something like a bar safety which prevents the striker or firing pin from being able to strike the primer unless the beavertail is fully depressed. Such safeties are required in certain states, and have been tested thoroughly by both the regulating state agencies and the manufacturers. Unless you're thinking about putting seatbelts and airbags on a 1911?
 
2012-12-27 03:24:48 AM  

CthulhuCalling: master luthier: Pribar: CthulhuCalling: 'assault weapon' is a political term for an Evil Black Rifle (EBR), and are classified as such entirely on cosmetic criteria. Your AR-15 is NO different from a Ruger 10/22, except that the Ruger has a nice, non-threatening wooden stock.

The Rugers and M1A style rifles, despite being "legitimate sporting rifles" under almost any states "assault weapon" laws are actually more dangerous than any of the evil black rifles that hysterical people like Wayne 985 want to ban because of how easy they are to actually jury rig into a real assault weapon...


[i135.photobucket.com image 750x600]

Whats the purpose of using string to tie the action open? seems to be a stupid way to make a gun lock, anyone can cut it and use the gun.

It's a ghetto way of making a semiautomatic rifle into something that shoots like an auto. I don't know if it's a joke or a genuine hack, but I have heard stories that BATFE considered it to be a true conversion and therefore, illegal.


It's a joke. There are far easier way to get yourself a full auto M1 type rifle. Except for the M1 Carbine, pretty much every M1 type rifle can be tuned into a full auto by removing the secondary sear. The M14 select fire mechanism is basically a disconnect of the secondary sear, nothing more.
 
2012-12-27 03:28:24 AM  
Wayne 985:

BadReligion: What about the Barrett .50 cal bolt rifle with a 5 round magazine? That is much more potentially deadly that any AR15 in 5.56, but it meets all of your previously stated criteria.

No one likes a smartass, friend. A bazooka fires one round at a time, but no sensible person is okay with selling those to civilians either.. In the same vein, I'm not okay with selling anti-material rifles.


The rifle I posted is perfectly legal, and met all of your previous guild lines of things you found "acceptable". How does that make me a smart ass? Is it because I pretty much pointed out that you are scared of arbitrary features of guns that have little to do with their potential lethality? Also, a bazooka is not legal, it is considered to be a destructive device by the ATF. A Barrett .50 is not in the same league.
 
2012-12-27 03:36:09 AM  

BadReligion: Also, a bazooka is not legal, it is considered to be a destructive device by the ATF. A Barrett .50 is not in the same league.


I'm pretty sure you can buy a bazooka if you held a Class III license, and did all the appropriate chicken waving for the ATF (application, tax stamps ,etc). I think six months is the average time to get your "Mother may I?" permission. What I find hilarious is that every gun-control advocate to a person, always goes to the "tank, bazooka, nuke" hyperbole.
 
2012-12-27 03:40:56 AM  

CujoQuarrel: master luthier: Pribar: CthulhuCalling: 'assault weapon' is a political term for an Evil Black Rifle (EBR), and are classified as such entirely on cosmetic criteria. Your AR-15 is NO different from a Ruger 10/22, except that the Ruger has a nice, non-threatening wooden stock.

The Rugers and M1A style rifles, despite being "legitimate sporting rifles" under almost any states "assault weapon" laws are actually more dangerous than any of the evil black rifles that hysterical people like Wayne 985 want to ban because of how easy they are to actually jury rig into a real assault weapon...


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Whats the purpose of using string to tie the action open? seems to be a stupid way to make a gun lock, anyone can cut it and use the gun.

I was guessing that it made it act like a full auto somehow


what it does is on the first pull of the ring on the end of the string the trigger is pulled, the bolt flies rearward, ejecting the spent round and allowing slack in the line, this allows the trigger to return forward and reset the sear, the bolt then goes forward chambering a new round and pulling the string tight tripping the trigger again repeating the process, the problem is getting the string tight enough to pull the trigger on each bolt movement without getting it so tight that it stops the bolt from fully seating on the next round, on some firearms the rig can trip the trigger while the bolt is still open, sending bits of shell casing spraying back in the shooters face.
The ATFE also considers tying a string like that a illegal modification of the rifle, claiming that the ring becomes the new trigger and allows multiple shots on one "trigger pull", getting caught doing that can put you away on a felony conviction for a 5 year min streach, so don't do it
 
2012-12-27 03:44:31 AM  

CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: Also, a bazooka is not legal, it is considered to be a destructive device by the ATF. A Barrett .50 is not in the same league.

I'm pretty sure you can buy a bazooka if you held a Class III license, and did all the appropriate chicken waving for the ATF (application, tax stamps ,etc). I think six months is the average time to get your "Mother may I?" permission. What I find hilarious is that every gun-control advocate to a person, always goes to the "tank, bazooka, nuke" hyperbole.


Yeah, if you can find someone to sell you one legally, as with any other class III weapon. Still, It is considered a Destructive Device, which the ATF seems to define as any small arm over .50 cal(except black powder and long barreled shotguns), and explosive arms. Plus other weird things like suppressors, short barreled rifles, and short barreled shotguns are also considered class III.
 
2012-12-27 03:46:44 AM  

Pribar: felony conviction for a 5 year min streach stretch, so don't do it


Damn time for me to go to bed if I am making that kind of spelling mistakes.
 
2012-12-27 03:47:19 AM  

violentsalvation: A friend has a .22 that pops out of his belt-buckle. It's like a holster in a way. I don't think they're illegal everywhere. While looking around at them online I found this Nazi one that actually shoots from the belt.

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Link
Damn crafty Nazis.


I want that so bad.
 
2012-12-27 03:49:01 AM  

AnyName: stevarooni: Sell it to a dealer or someone else you're sure isn't a felon or out-of-stater; in the current fervor, you ought to be able to beat $200, easy.

I took it to a dealer and they weren't interested. It's was a complete piece of crap even when new and is worthless. The barrel is heavily rusted and I'd be afraid if it did manage to fire it would hurt the person shooting it.

How the heck do you safely dispose of old guns/ammo?


I used to have a revolver I gained the same way, found in a renovated house. It would not advance and, when checking around, it wasn't worth fixing and wasn't worth much for parts. I called up the cops and said I wanted to dispose of it but didn't want anyone to find it since it could still fire a round. I had to talk to several people before I found somebody who knew what was up. They told me to bring it in and they give you a short form to fill out before taking it off your hands.
 
2012-12-27 03:50:07 AM  

Aces and Eights: Gyrfalcon: Authorities recovered 53 assault weapons, 791 handguns, 527 rifles, 302 shotguns and one anti-tank rocket launcher.

Man, I HATE articles that don't give us more details. Because WHO THE F*CK had an anti-tank rocket launcher and what did the cops say/do/think when someone hauled that out of the trunk of his car?

And did they sell the two pocket pistols worth $2000? Why mention the dollar value? If they sold them, that's not exactly getting them off the streets, now is it?

And I also wonder if they didn't just take that rocket launcher for a quick spin when the event was over. Just to try it out. Just once, before it was smelted into plowshares.


you know very well its picnic day for Captain and his cronies when jackasses turn in the toys. everything everywhere is corrupt. when cops are involved, doubly so.
 
2012-12-27 03:54:08 AM  
1. Use gun until it's worthless.
2. Take to buyback program.
3. Get $$$$.
4. Buy new gun.
5. Rinse, repeat.
 
2012-12-27 03:57:59 AM  

BadReligion: Plus other weird things like suppressors, short barreled rifles, and short barreled shotguns are also considered class III.


Suppressors... those are one of those weird in between things. You don't need to be a Class III licensee, but you pretty much have to go through just about everything else a C3 does to get one.
 
2012-12-27 03:59:26 AM  

BadReligion: Wayne 985:

BadReligion: What about the Barrett .50 cal bolt rifle with a 5 round magazine? That is much more potentially deadly that any AR15 in 5.56, but it meets all of your previously stated criteria.

No one likes a smartass, friend. A bazooka fires one round at a time, but no sensible person is okay with selling those to civilians either.. In the same vein, I'm not okay with selling anti-material rifles.

The rifle I posted is perfectly legal, and met all of your previous guild lines of things you found "acceptable". How does that make me a smart ass? Is it because I pretty much pointed out that you are scared of arbitrary features of guns that have little to do with their potential lethality? Also, a bazooka is not legal, it is considered to be a destructive device by the ATF. A Barrett .50 is not in the same league.


Actually you can buy destructive devices so long as they have the tax stamp.
 
2012-12-27 04:01:54 AM  

CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: Plus other weird things like suppressors, short barreled rifles, and short barreled shotguns are also considered class III.

Suppressors... those are one of those weird in between things. You don't need to be a Class III licensee, but you pretty much have to go through just about everything else a C3 does to get one.


Which is stupid. What next, requiring NFA stamps for ear plugs?

Farking morons should have never bought the Hollywood hysteria around them.
 
2012-12-27 04:03:50 AM  
Aces and Eights:
And I also wonder if they didn't just take that rocket launcher for a quick spin when the event was over. Just to try it out. Just once, before it was smelted into plowshares.

the trick is finding rockets for said rocket launcher. You can't excatly go to Hobby Town and load up on Estes rocket engines. Without rockets, all you have is a pipe.
 
2012-12-27 04:08:03 AM  

iq_in_binary: CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: Plus other weird things like suppressors, short barreled rifles, and short barreled shotguns are also considered class III.

Suppressors... those are one of those weird in between things. You don't need to be a Class III licensee, but you pretty much have to go through just about everything else a C3 does to get one.

Which is stupid. What next, requiring NFA stamps for ear plugs?

Farking morons should have never bought the Hollywood hysteria around them.


Yeah, I've fired suppressed (note that I didn't say 'silenced'!) weapons before. They sound nothing like the movies. Everyone is always surprised at how loud it is over what Hollywood says, but it is nice to be able to shoot without having hearing protection on.
 
2012-12-27 04:12:30 AM  

CthulhuCalling: Aces and Eights:
And I also wonder if they didn't just take that rocket launcher for a quick spin when the event was over. Just to try it out. Just once, before it was smelted into plowshares.

the trick is finding rockets for said rocket launcher. You can't excatly go to Hobby Town and load up on Estes rocket engines. Without rockets, all you have is a pipe.


come to think of it, knowing the media it was probably an expended LAW or AT-4 tube.
 
2012-12-27 04:15:08 AM  

CthulhuCalling: iq_in_binary: CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: Plus other weird things like suppressors, short barreled rifles, and short barreled shotguns are also considered class III.

Suppressors... those are one of those weird in between things. You don't need to be a Class III licensee, but you pretty much have to go through just about everything else a C3 does to get one.

Which is stupid. What next, requiring NFA stamps for ear plugs?

Farking morons should have never bought the Hollywood hysteria around them.

Yeah, I've fired suppressed (note that I didn't say 'silenced'!) weapons before. They sound nothing like the movies. Everyone is always surprised at how loud it is over what Hollywood says, but it is nice to be able to shoot without having hearing protection on.



Whats funny is how tightly regulated suppressors are here but in the UK, that bastion of firearm over regulation they are actually required by law
 
pla
2012-12-27 06:34:42 AM  
doglover : 1. Use gun until it's worthless. 2. Take to buyback program. 3. Get $$$$. 4. Buy new gun. 5. Rinse, repeat.

Better:
1) Buy a used Hi Point / JA / AMT for $20 (seriously, you can't give those away normally)
2) Turn it in for $100.
3) Rinse, wash, repeat.
4) Profit!

What do buybacks like this accomplish, aside from committing the crime-against-humanity of destroying a few museum-quality pieces Grandma found in her attic? They give people a way to get rid of their uber-crap "starter" gun (in the hobbyist, not marathon sense).

Hmm, Not sure what "Ralph's" sells, though. Possibly not worth the effort.
 
2012-12-27 06:44:19 AM  
I can remember back in the late '60s a kid I grew up had a brother that was a civilian worker at our local army base. He brought home a used Laws rocket tube we used to play army with. All the other kids used baseball bats for bazookas - we had the "real" thing. We were king shiat.
 
2012-12-27 07:18:21 AM  

EdNortonsTwin: I once had a statie tell me I "...could kill someone a mile away" with my shotgun when he tried to stop me from hunting quail in the foothills of San Bernardino mountains.


SHOTGUNS DON'T WORK THAT WAY!

I find it somewhat humorous actually that the shotgun range at Whittier Narrows has you shooting towards a freeway with an RC airplane field on the other side of it. It's almost like you're shooting at the airplanes instead of the skeets.
 
2012-12-27 07:51:25 AM  

Mad Mark: I can remember back in the late '60s a kid I grew up had a brother that was a civilian worker at our local army base. He brought home a used Laws rocket tube we used to play army with. All the other kids used baseball bats for bazookas - we had the "real" thing. We were king shiat.


Back in the late 80s and early 90s when I was growing up, our Scout leader was a Vietnam vet. He had a LAW tube and we did the same thing with it. He didn't see any harm in letting us play with a useless tube, the neighbors didn't agree. They freaked right out. (Some guy in a passing car even called the police). That was the first and last time we got to play army with that thing.
 
2012-12-27 08:28:12 AM  

BadReligion: Wayne 985: Benjamin Orr: So you just think that civilians shouldn't have rifles?

Bolt-action is fine.

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So ehow I think you could do much more damage with this bolt action rifle than a 5.56mm AR-15.


Pretty sure Adam Lanza would have killed less people if he'd been toting a .50 bolt action rifle instead of a semi-auto rifle.
 
2012-12-27 08:40:36 AM  

ManicParroT: Pretty sure Adam Lanza would have killed less people if he'd been toting a .50 bolt action rifle instead of a semi-auto rifle.


How about dynamite (wiki) or fertilizer and racing car fuel (wiki) instead?

People are really good at killing things, each other especially. Guns make it pretty easy, but they're far from the most effective means of mass murder. And a .50 bolt action, especially fired from the trunk of a car, would be much more terrifying to more people.
 
pla
2012-12-27 08:53:32 AM  
ManicParroT : Pretty sure Adam Lanza would have killed less people if he'd been toting a .50 bolt action rifle instead of a semi-auto rifle.

Use the right tools for the job. If he had gone with a high powered long-ranged weapon like that, he probably wouldn't have taken out 20 6YOs all at once, but he might have gone on a killing spree that lasted weeks before they caught him.

Funny thing about murder from half a mile away - By the time the police even start looking off-scene for the shooter, he's already packed up and sipping coffee in a nearby diner. Though, the body count grows quite a bit slower that way, too - But it really freaks people out, not knowing when they could just randomly discover a 6" hole in their chest.

Consider the beltway snipers - They only got caught by having a conspicuous vehicle and a good bit of luck by the feds. If they drove a silver Honda Civic instead, they could still have their spree going today.
 
2012-12-27 09:22:05 AM  

pla: Consider the beltway snipers - They only got caught by having a conspicuous vehicle and a good bit of luck by the feds. If they drove a silver Honda Civic instead, they could still have their spree going today.


More than a bit of good luck. A guy recognized the flippin' plates and called the feds while the car was parked and the guys were asleep. That's the mother lode of good luck right there.
 
2012-12-27 09:24:30 AM  

BadReligion: Dimensio: CthulhuCalling: BadReligion: I grew up off Craig and Clayton, that pig farm smell is strong with the right wind. I used to go to CCSP, but got a membership to the Desert Hills Shooting Club in Boulder City, and go there now. They have a world class clay pigeon course out there. I have killed a lot of clay with my semi automatic Browning Silver Hunter 12 gauge.

It is still strong and I'm a few miles east of it. I have no pity for the people who moved into the communities surrounding it. CCSP is finally building their sporting clays range, it's supposed to be done in the spring, so expect it to be done by winter 2014. I keep meaning to try the trap lanes out there. I don't have a trap gun, but a pair of Mossberg tacticals that would be fun to try.

How appropriate is a Saiga 12 for trap shooting?

Most would look down on it, but if you went somewhere with lax rules, they may let you use a shotgun with a capacity of more than 2, as long as you didn't fire more than 2 shots per pair.


Most Californians would look down on it, that much I'd agree with.
 
2012-12-27 09:31:20 AM  

BadReligion: Most would look down on it, but if you went somewhere with lax rules, they may let you use a shotgun with a capacity of more than 2, as long as you didn't fire more than 2 shots per pair.


I'm thinking about picking up a shotgun, mostly for clays but partly for just-in-case. I sort of like the semi auto SG idea, as you don't have to disrupt a sight picture by pumping. WHat ARE the policies for clubs? If I just load in two rounds per magazine would that be OK?
 
2012-12-27 09:42:44 AM  
The rocket launcher was just a training dummy, IIRC. It didn't stop them from using it being turned in as some kind of great victory for making the streets safer, though.
 
2012-12-27 09:44:08 AM  

stevarooni: FTFA: Since the inception of the program in 2009, there has been a 39 percent drop in gang crimes and 33 percent drop in shots fired calls, translating into 241 fewer people shot in the city, according to the mayor's office.

Tell us, Mr. Mayor, just how effective is your tiger-warding stone? :-P


It's almost as if there was a major FBI initiative in 2009 targeting US gangs that resulted in over 2000 busts in two years and over 200 RICO indictments, both those numbers being about four times the total of the preceding three years, gutting organized crime operations in all 50 states, but most dramatically in large urban centers of gang activity like LA and Houston, which have seen their rates plummet dramatically in the last three years both for violent crime in general and gang complaints especially as the gangsters find it wise to lay low.

But nah, clearly it's the annual gun buybacks that have been going on since the '90s and never had any appreciable effect from 1995-2008. Clearly there's just a decade or so of lag before the impact is really felt, y'know?
 
2012-12-27 10:05:04 AM  

pla: What do buybacks like this accomplish, aside from committing the crime-against-humanity of destroying a few museum-quality pieces Grandma found in her attic? They give people a way to get rid of their uber-crap "starter" gun (in the hobbyist, not marathon sense).


wonder if I could get rid of my grandpa's starter pistol that way... now to get rid of the skeleton my other grandpa left us

//yes for 30 years the discussion has been going on in my family of what to do with the undocumented skeleton in a box in the basement
 
2012-12-27 10:14:25 AM  

MaliFinn: The city netted 1,673 firearms, a four-year low, at the buyback program last May. Authorities recovered 53 assault weapons, 791 handguns, 527 rifles, 302 shotguns and one anti-tank rocket launcher.
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Dude, it's L.A, - totally normal.
 
2012-12-27 10:18:39 AM  

Jim_Callahan: stevarooni: FTFA: Since the inception of the program in 2009, there has been a 39 percent drop in gang crimes and 33 percent drop in shots fired calls, translating into 241 fewer people shot in the city, according to the mayor's office.

Tell us, Mr. Mayor, just how effective is your tiger-warding stone? :-P

It's almost as if there was a major FBI initiative in 2009 targeting US gangs that resulted in over 2000 busts in two years and over 200 RICO indictments, both those numbers being about four times the total of the preceding three years, gutting organized crime operations in all 50 states, but most dramatically in large urban centers of gang activity like LA and Houston, which have seen their rates plummet dramatically in the last three years both for violent crime in general and gang complaints especially as the gangsters find it wise to lay low.

But nah, clearly it's the annual gun buybacks that have been going on since the '90s and never had any appreciable effect from 1995-2008. Clearly there's just a decade or so of lag before the impact is really felt, y'know?


In todays environment of inevitably dropping crime (due to the aging of the Boomers) you can claim success for ANY anti-crime measure that has been taken. It's all going to go away in ten or fifteen years anyway. The Boomers will die, the immigrants will come, and socity will be younger. Younger population=more crime. It'll be funny watching all the "geniuses" explain why their handy-dandy crime solution suddenly isn't working anymore.
 
2012-12-27 10:23:36 AM  
NEWSFLASH: Hundreds of people who apparently horde butter found dead in their homes.
Thanks LAPD
 
2012-12-27 10:28:24 AM  

ManicParroT:

Pretty sure Adam Lanza would have killed less people if he'd been toting a .50 bolt action rifle instead of a semi-auto rifle.


Did he use a semi auto rifle? Aside from the media hysteria, about scary looking rifles in general, all the reports I have seen said handguns were found in the school, and the rifle was found in the trunk of his car. There is even video of the police opening the trunk and removing it.

The only claim I have seen that he killed them with the rifle was the Medical Examiner making the claim, but I frankly find that hard to believe, unless he ran out and locked it in his trunk before running back in and killing himself.
 
2012-12-27 10:31:56 AM  

Fecal Conservative: AnyName: stevarooni:

How the heck do you safely dispose of old guns/ammo?

Use 48oz of Thermite!

/Easy to make
//Stand Back!
//Use a Magnesium fuse


Bad memories. Tried that once. Set my lawn on fire. There is a spot back there that hasn't supported growing grass for 5 years now.

/things got interesting real quick when that Thermite got to burning...
 
2012-12-27 10:33:20 AM  

blunttrauma: Did he use a semi auto rifle? Aside from the media hysteria, about scary looking rifles in general, all the reports I have seen said handguns were found in the school, and the rifle was found in the trunk of his car. There is even video of the police opening the trunk and removing it.


My understanding (news report soon after the event) was that he had two pistols and an AR-style rifle with him and a shotgun in the trunk.
 
2012-12-27 11:05:47 AM  

iq_in_binary: Pribar: CthulhuCalling: 'assault weapon' is a political term for an Evil Black Rifle (EBR), and are classified as such entirely on cosmetic criteria. Your AR-15 is NO different from a Ruger 10/22, except that the Ruger has a nice, non-threatening wooden stock.

The Rugers and M1A style rifles, despite being "legitimate sporting rifles" under almost any states "assault weapon" laws are actually more dangerous than any of the evil black rifles that hysterical people like Wayne 985 want to ban because of how easy they are to actually jury rig into a real assault weapon...


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Wait until they find out about the paper on the seer trick...........or that M1As are only a pin punch and 5 minutes away from being M14s.


Yeah, just try firing an M14 at full auto. One reason that "assault weapons" are functionally different from battle/hunting rifles is the caliber they chamber. .223 is easy to fire as fast as you can pull the trigger; .30-06 or .308 will beat the crap out of you if you try that.

If you want to ban spree-killer functionality rather than cosmetics, you have to ban Ruger Mini-14s, M-1 carbines and anything else with a detachable magazine and light recoil (this includes all semi-auto pistols, not just the fake subguns). The AR design isn't just cosmetic; having the stock in line with the barrel (which requires a pistol grip) does reduce muzzle climb, but it's not a very important functional difference.

Nobody buys an AR because of its usefulness as a sporting rifle. There are much more accurate, cheaper varmint-caliber rifles out there. They buy it because they like the way it looks, and because they think they may need a 30-round mag to fight off the post-apocalyptic looters. Or, if they're an idiot, they think they'll use it to violently resist the gummint. (protip: they won't, and if they try, they'll die or go to prison).
 
2012-12-27 11:20:41 AM  
Huh. Imagine how much more violence they could prevent if they actually solved the problem instead of just exchanging guns for butter.
 
2012-12-27 11:26:14 AM  

Marine1: Huh. Imagine how much more violence they could prevent if they actually solved the problem instead of just exchanging guns for butter.


Problem-solving is effective, and all, but it doesn't garner the front page of local papers, nor does it increase visibility for budget appropriations. "We spent $500k getting guns off of the street today!" "Oh, we'd better make sure you have $600k next year, to make us all that much safer." P.R. actions are much safer than patrolling the streets looking for crime that's actually happening.
 
2012-12-27 11:29:38 AM  

CthulhuCalling: 'assault weapon' is a political term for an Evil Black Rifle (EBR), and are classified as such entirely on cosmetic criteria. Your AR-15 is NO different from a Ruger 10/22, except that the Ruger has a nice, non-threatening wooden stock.



how about no
www.thefirearmblog.com
 
2012-12-27 11:32:23 AM  
I was gonna say, zedster. :D Just because something's practically the same diameter doesn't mean it has the same effect.

Now if he'd said Mini-14, he'd have a much better comparison.
 
2012-12-27 11:36:23 AM  

stevarooni: Just because something's practically the same diameter doesn't mean it has the same effect.


must resist, must resist... THAT WHAT SHE SAID
 
2012-12-27 11:45:31 AM  
:D S'alright, Zedster. I would've, but I was stuck at how to insert, "Your Mom" into the conversation.
 
2012-12-27 11:48:59 AM  
The anti-tank rocket launcher was a empty tube. I remember reading an article on it when they got it. Same thing happened in another state. You're a moron if you have one and trade it in for $100 though. You can get big bucks for one and it's all legal.

I know people that have pre 86 transferable assault rifles. They are locked up in safes and worth about 15-20K each. They get shot at ranges a few times a year. They are the last guns people need to worry about.


"Nobody buys an AR because of its usefulness as a sporting rifle. There are much more accurate, cheaper varmint-caliber rifles out there."


Your a moran. They sure do. People pay good money for hunting AR's in calibers other than 5.56 (6.8mm SPC is popular for deer and hogs) that will do sub moa groups at 100 plus yards. You are talking a $1600+ rifle + the expensive ammo.
 
2012-12-27 11:51:54 AM  
I love my Mossberg butter melter.
whiteglossyundergroundboard.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-27 11:53:53 AM  

zedster: CthulhuCalling: 'assault weapon' is a political term for an Evil Black Rifle (EBR), and are classified as such entirely on cosmetic criteria. Your AR-15 is NO different from a Ruger 10/22, except that the Ruger has a nice, non-threatening wooden stock.


how about no
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thanks for missing the point.
 
2012-12-27 11:57:57 AM  

martid4: I love my Mossberg butter melter.
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I've never been able to figure out why that's legal, but a sawed-off shotgun with a full stock is illegal. The whole issue is concealability of a large-caliber weapon. You can't legally cut a rifle down into a pistol, but you can buy a revolver that chambers .45-70. Stupid laws are stupid.
 
2012-12-27 11:59:20 AM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: Your a moran. They sure do. People pay good money for hunting AR's in calibers other than 5.56 (6.8mm SPC is popular for deer and hogs) that will do sub moa groups at 100 plus yards. You are talking a $1600+ rifle + the expensive ammo.


if we were talking about cars this is what you just said

Him: No one buys an F-150 for work sites
You: Ya they do, they get the F-350 diesel

or computers

Him: No one buys a dell for gaming
You: The Alienwear and XPSs man

It was obvious he meant in the original AR-15 .233/5.65 ammo. Yes you can mod the AR platform to fire almost any caliber rifle round and even with the T-14 shotgun shells, but in this case you knew what he meant and tried to move the goal posts. Yes, if he said AR-15 is would have been more exacting.
 
2012-12-27 11:59:36 AM  

martid4: I love my Mossberg butter melter.


They put out a new JIC? That's awesome! I liked the hard-plastic case before, but everything in a soft case with a good shoulder sling looks nifty.
 
2012-12-27 12:01:27 PM  

CthulhuCalling: thanks for missing the point.


I beg your pardon, but I seem to have missed the point as well. What was it? :-|
 
2012-12-27 12:09:04 PM  
Thanks, LAPD, but I prefer mayo with guns.
 
2012-12-27 12:09:38 PM  

CthulhuCalling: zedster: CthulhuCalling: 'assault weapon' is a political term for an Evil Black Rifle (EBR), and are classified as such entirely on cosmetic criteria. Your AR-15 is NO different from a Ruger 10/22, except that the Ruger has a nice, non-threatening wooden stock.


how about no
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thanks for missing the point.


Which was? explain to me how the platforms other then both being guns with large modding communities behind them are similar, explain how the .22lr and .223 are the same
 
2012-12-27 12:20:07 PM  

zedster: Which was? explain to me how the platforms other then both being guns with large modding communities behind them are similar, explain how the .22lr and .223 are the same


I think he was implying that both weapons are semi-automatic rifles capable of accepting large magazines and such. I think a better comparison would be between the Mini-14 and AR-15. both are capable of the same thing but one has a much less menacing outward appearance.
 
2012-12-27 12:25:17 PM  
dailydubie.webfactional.com
Butter for guns? This program would be really successful in the South.
 
2012-12-27 12:30:27 PM  
Sounds like an idea from some kind of first-semester economics student...

/DRTAoT
 
2012-12-27 12:30:28 PM  

zedster: if we were talking about cars this is what you just said


Last I checked those are trucks.
Kidding...
But It wasn't specific and it shouldn't matter as they are functionally the same guns. So to say no one uses x truck or x gun or what not isn't correct. It wasn't moving the goal posts. I know plenty of people who use an AR for exactly its sporting use. And have taken everything hunted in North America black bear, elk, white tail, boar you name it. For a US made rifle you are not going to get much cheaper and still be accurate unless you are talking bolt action. And there are a few things I wouldn't want to hunt with a bolt action. There are several manufactures of ARs that market hunting 5.56+ use AR rifle and scope packages.
 
2012-12-27 12:39:57 PM  

Okie_Gunslinger: I think he was implying that both weapons are semi-automatic rifles capable of accepting large magazines and such. I think a better comparison would be between the Mini-14 and AR-15. both are capable of the same thing but one has a much less menacing outward appearance.


this I agree with, the Assault weapons ban was stupid because it was purely cosmetic, and I understand how the gun control crowd's ignorance of gun platforms annoys people on the other side because they feel they don't know what they are talking about. I would support a ban on mags over a certain size with in reason (I'd 30 as the max, would prefer 15~20) but think out right banning designated platforms like the AWB did was moronic.

justanotherfarkinfarker: But It wasn't specific and it shouldn't matter as they are functionally the same guns. So to say no one uses x truck or x gun or what not isn't correct. It wasn't moving the goal posts. I know plenty of people who use an AR for exactly its sporting use. And have taken everything hunted in North America black bear, elk, white tail, boar you name it. For a US made rifle you are not going to get much cheaper and still be accurate unless you are talking bolt action. And there are a few things I wouldn't want to hunt with a bolt action. There are several manufactures of ARs that market hunting 5.56+ use AR rifle and scope packages.


Would you say an AR with a 5.7mm upper is the same an AR in .50 BMG? I really don't think so. I don't support banning platforms and I understand that the AR platform is used for many things but it's not from the outset a sports hunting platform. I can buy a Ford Pinto and throw an LS9 in, doesn't make it in the same league as a 'Vette. Like wise the AR with the 5.7 upper is not a P90 and in .50 an M2

Besides saying the 10/22 is the same as the AR-15 to gun control people will just result in attempts to ban the 10/22 :-)
 
2012-12-27 01:00:39 PM  
Alright, I went to sleep, mulled it over, and I'll own up to it: I may have... overreacted. I've been reading about Sandy Hook for the last few days, staring at pictures of 20 (now dead) children, and got to a point where I was literally nauseated and deeply depressed. When things like that occur, it's easy to demand "something" be done, even if that something isn't always sensible.

I still back certain changes in gun control, chiefly a ban on all high capacity magazines & clips, a closing of the "gun show loophole", and an expansion of background checks to all guns.

Recommending that we ban semi-automatic rifles, however, was... well, it was stupid. I apologize for my temper tantrum.
 
2012-12-27 01:05:49 PM  

zedster: Would you say an AR with a 5.7mm upper is the same an AR in .50 BMG?


Well no, as you are talking bolt action (as far as I know). many bolt actions are based on military designs. so it's military to sport in an older school way. Same as the AR.
 
2012-12-27 01:12:35 PM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: zedster: Would you say an AR with a 5.7mm upper is the same an AR in .50 BMG?

Well no, as you are talking bolt action (as far as I know). many bolt actions are based on military designs. so it's military to sport in an older school way. Same as the AR.


my bad, meant .50 Beowulf http://www.cabelas.com/15-alexander-arms-50-beowulf-entry-kit.shtml

vs.

AR57 http://www.57center.com/
 
2012-12-27 01:15:19 PM  
It's understandable to want something drastic done when something horrific happens, Wayne. Realistically, though...and this isn't meant to be trite, but it's true..."these things happen". Malevolent people do things to hurt as many people as possible, and short of making everyone else's life intolerably restrictive, there's no real way to avoid tragedy. If it weren't guns, it might well be explosives, or cutting the gas lines, or cutting the brake lines on several school buses.
 
2012-12-27 01:16:23 PM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: Well no, as you are talking bolt action (as far as I know). many bolt actions are based on military designs. so it's military to sport in an older school way. Same as the AR.


Thats true, post WWII sporterizing surplus rifles like Mausers, Enfields and Nagants was very popular among hunters.
 
2012-12-27 01:31:36 PM  

Wayne 985: Alright, I went to sleep, mulled it over, and I'll own up to it: I may have... overreacted. I've been reading about Sandy Hook for the last few days, staring at pictures of 20 (now dead) children, and got to a point where I was literally nauseated and deeply depressed. When things like that occur, it's easy to demand "something" be done, even if that something isn't always sensible.

I still back certain changes in gun control, chiefly a ban on all high capacity magazines & clips, a closing of the "gun show loophole", and an expansion of background checks to all guns.

Recommending that we ban semi-automatic rifles, however, was... well, it was stupid. I apologize for my temper tantrum.


Commendable, I just wish more people would take a deep breath and think about this before demanding that Something Be Done.
 
2012-12-27 02:07:32 PM  
I thought the entire point of the 2nd Amendment was to keep a populace armed in a manner that it could wage war against an invading force or a tyrannical government.
 
2012-12-27 02:14:58 PM  

Wayne 985:
I still back certain changes in gun control, chiefly a ban on all high capacity magazines & clips, a closing of the "gun show loophole", and an expansion of background checks to all guns.

Recommending that we ban semi-automatic rifles, however, was... well, it was stupid. I apologize for my temper tantrum.


I agree that we need a process for proper background checks for all firearm sales and/or transfers. Perhaps a way to go through an FFL or some other way to ensure citizens aren't selling firearms to individuals (even unintentionally) who should not possess them. Also, proper reporting of individuals banned from purchasing firearms to the NICS needs to be streamlined.

However, I disagree with limitations on magazine/clip capacities, assault rifle bans.
 
2012-12-27 02:22:54 PM  

blunttrauma: ManicParroT:

Pretty sure Adam Lanza would have killed less people if he'd been toting a .50 bolt action rifle instead of a semi-auto rifle.

Did he use a semi auto rifle? Aside from the media hysteria, about scary looking rifles in general, all the reports I have seen said handguns were found in the school, and the rifle was found in the trunk of his car. There is even video of the police opening the trunk and removing it.

The only claim I have seen that he killed them with the rifle was the Medical Examiner making the claim, but I frankly find that hard to believe, unless he ran out and locked it in his trunk before running back in and killing himself.


He used a Bushmaster XM-15 the majority of the time. His mother he killed with a Marlin .22, and he used one of the pistols to shoot himself. It was the shotgun that they found in the car.

Look, I actually don't care very much if Americans have lots of guns and use them to kill each other. I don't live in the US, so it's not my problem.
I just think it's disingenuous when people attempt to pretend that access to guns has no effect on the ability of individuals to kill each other, which appears to be a common assertion of the pro-gun brigade. If other weapons were just as good as guns, armies and police forces wouldn't be armed with guns. Similarly, I find the claim that all guns are created equal to be a bit dubious. Granted, Lanza could have become some kind of deadly sniper with a .50 cal, but it's pretty clear his spree, as it happened, would have been less effective with a bolt action rifle of any kind.
 
2012-12-27 02:42:08 PM  

ManicParroT: I just think it's disingenuous when people attempt to pretend that access to guns has no effect on the ability of individuals to kill each other, which appears to be a common assertion of the pro-gun brigade.


I'm about as pro-gun rights as they come, but you're right here. Obviously, accessibility of firearms will make committing gun crimes easier. But, the difficulty with passing gun laws in the US really comes down to historical, cultural and constitutional issues. It's hard to people in foreign countries to really grasp these aspects of American firearm ownership.
 
2012-12-27 02:44:50 PM  

ManicParroT: but it's pretty clear his spree, as it happened, would have been less effective with a bolt action rifle of any kind.


So what happens when someone goes on a spree and kills a bunch of people with a bolt gun? Reducing effectiveness still means people get killed. Don't adress the symptoms, address the disease.
 
2012-12-27 03:00:04 PM  

ManicParroT: I just think it's disingenuous when people attempt to pretend that access to guns has no effect on the ability of individuals to kill each other, which appears to be a common assertion of the pro-gun brigade.


It isn't what's asserted, no. Gun rights advocates believe that decreasing possible access to the point that it would make such mass murder (even more) unlikely begins to encroach upon others' rights unacceptably, after a certain point. Just as silencing all unmonitored communication would, to some degree, help fight hate crime and organized criminal organizations.

ManicParroT: If other weapons were just as good as guns, armies and police forces wouldn't be armed with guns. Similarly, I find the claim that all guns are created equal to be a bit dubious. Granted, Lanza could have become some kind of deadly sniper with a .50 cal, but it's pretty clear his spree, as it happened, would have been less effective with a bolt action rifle of any kind.


If you look at the expired "Assault Weapons" Ban (wiki), you'll find that it is a list of mostly-cosmetic features that don't necessarily affect the functionality of most guns. AR-15 vs. Mini-14, for example. This is the comparison to which gun rights advocates object; a distinction without a practical difference. As well, even trying to ban standard-capacity magazines is going to have a minute impact.
 
2012-12-27 04:49:25 PM  

Northside. Represent, yo. Spend my time at CCSP to escape the smell of the pig farm.

I grew up off Craig and Clayton, that pig farm smell is strong with the right wind. I used to go to CCSP, but got a membership to the Desert Hills Shooting Club in Boulder City, and go there now. They have a world class clay pigeon course out there. I have killed a lot of clay with my semi automatic Browning Silver Hunter 12 gauge.


New to Las Vegas, and I hate the pig farm smell. I do want to know where to spend some time burning powder with an EBR (PIP). Do you have any recommendations?
 
2012-12-27 05:01:57 PM  

shocksystem: Northside. Represent, yo. Spend my time at CCSP to escape the smell of the pig farm.

I grew up off Craig and Clayton, that pig farm smell is strong with the right wind. I used to go to CCSP, but got a membership to the Desert Hills Shooting Club in Boulder City, and go there now. They have a world class clay pigeon course out there. I have killed a lot of clay with my semi automatic Browning Silver Hunter 12 gauge.

New to Las Vegas, and I hate the pig farm smell. I do want to know where to spend some time burning powder with an EBR (PIP). Do you have any recommendations?


CCSP is a very nice outdoor shooting range, and my preferred place to shoot as I'm pretty close to it. State of the art facilities, and right now with the weather the way it is, it's farking awesome to be outdoors near the mountains and shooting. Their range rules are pretty regulated as they have had to deal with a lot of newbie shooters out there, so it's 20 minutes of shooting, 10 minutes of placing/fixing targets downrange sort of deal. You hear a lot of "GET AWAY FROM THE TABLES DURING A CEASE FIRE!" over the PA system.

If you're brave, you can head out to BLM land and be free. Personally, I don't because every Bro is out there with daddy's AR and a case of beer, and I like coming home with the same number of holes that I left with.

There's also a number of indoor shooting ranges, some cater to the Strip crowd. Stay away from The Gun Store, the wait times for a lane is 2+ hours due to all the tourists. Range702 seems pretty nice and they have a PRIZM system that you can use (at $50 a pop). American Shooters is OK as long as it isn't hot, their air circulation system needs work and in the summertime the humidity and temperature jumps so high that I'm afraid I'm going to have my skull collected by a Predator. Guns and Ammo Garage is near Range702, right off the Strip, they seem pretty busy with the Strip crowd. There are also a couple of shooting clubs on either end of the valley that you need memberships to shoot at. I think Desert Sportsman requires you to be an NRA member as well.
 
2012-12-27 05:05:37 PM  
Oh, BassPro (my second home!) has a small range, but I've never used it and I don't find it all that impressive. If you want to hurl lead at a 25 yard target in a narrow lane, it's sufficient.
 
2012-12-27 05:27:40 PM  

WhiskeyBoy: Mad Mark: I can remember back in the late '60s a kid I grew up had a brother that was a civilian worker at our local army base. He brought home a used Laws rocket tube we used to play army with. All the other kids used baseball bats for bazookas - we had the "real" thing. We were king shiat.

Back in the late 80s and early 90s when I was growing up, our Scout leader was a Vietnam vet. He had a LAW tube and we did the same thing with it. He didn't see any harm in letting us play with a useless tube, the neighbors didn't agree. They freaked right out. (Some guy in a passing car even called the police). That was the first and last time we got to play army with that thing.


I keep a M-72 LAW rocket tube in my office, on the wall. It makes a great conversation starter and it freaks out the anti-gun people when they see it in some of my pictures. They always say "What do you want next, a rocket launcher?" and I get to reply; "I already have one but I'm looking for something bigger."

I took it to the shooting range once and laid it out with the rest of my gear as a joke, good times.
 
2012-12-27 06:49:49 PM  

shocksystem: Northside. Represent, yo. Spend my time at CCSP to escape the smell of the pig farm.

I grew up off Craig and Clayton, that pig farm smell is strong with the right wind. I used to go to CCSP, but got a membership to the Desert Hills Shooting Club in Boulder City, and go there now. They have a world class clay pigeon course out there. I have killed a lot of clay with my semi automatic Browning Silver Hunter 12 gauge.

New to Las Vegas, and I hate the pig farm smell. I do want to know where to spend some time burning powder with an EBR (PIP). Do you have any recommendations?


My personal favorite place to shoot is the Desert Hills Shooting Club, just outside of Boulder City. They have multiple pistol and rifle ranges, trap and clay courses and a great clubhouse. You don't have to be a member to shoot there, but it is worth it if you go all the time, due to the discounts. They are safety conscience, but not overboard like CCSP.
 
2012-12-27 09:17:38 PM  
Pics of the rocket launchers (in case that thread goes red)

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2012-12-27 09:22:44 PM  

fusillade762: Pics of the rocket launchers (in case that thread goes red)

[blogs.laweekly.com image 395x594]

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Funny, they said they brought in how many guns again?

Yet all I see are a few AKMs, a G3 clone, a couple old AR-15s, what MIGHT be a TEC-9, some M1 variants, and a couple old tubes you could get from the milsurp store because they are deactivated.

What I suspect is missing is the hundreds and hundreds of barrel guns that aren't worth even half of what people got paid for them.
 
2012-12-27 09:44:33 PM  

fusillade762: Pics of the rocket launchers (in case that thread goes red)

[blogs.laweekly.com image 395x594]

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And AT-4 and an M72 LAW. Likely both have been fired, making the tubes worthless as they're not intended to be reloaded and just thrown away. ATF considered them artifacts and they're legal to own. You can pick them up at most milsurp stores and ebay. Yawn.
 
2012-12-27 09:53:06 PM  

justanotherfarkinfarker: zedster: if we were talking about cars this is what you just said

Last I checked those are trucks.
Kidding...
But It wasn't specific and it shouldn't matter as they are functionally the same guns. So to say no one uses x truck or x gun or what not isn't correct. It wasn't moving the goal posts. I know plenty of people who use an AR for exactly its sporting use. And have taken everything hunted in North America black bear, elk, white tail, boar you name it. For a US made rifle you are not going to get much cheaper and still be accurate unless you are talking bolt action. And there are a few things I wouldn't want to hunt with a bolt action. There are several manufactures of ARs that market hunting 5.56+ use AR rifle and scope packages.


Sheeit. You want a cheap semi-auto, you buy an SKS and put a 4x and a hunting stock on it. ARs are not cheap.

A REAL semi-auto hunting rifle. costs about half as much as an equivalent AR. Dipshiats buy ARs because they want a bad-looking gun, full stop.

5.56 is a crap round for anything bigger than a coyote.
 
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