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(Fox News)   Beware "apocalypse" tourists for you have angered the Mayan gods by wrecking one of their temples   (latino.foxnews.com) divider line 13
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2012-12-26 10:33:16 PM
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Mutt Farkinov: whatshisname: I wonder what the "irreparable" damage was? People have always been allowed to climb to the top of Temple II via some wooden stairs and sit on the upper stairs. Most of the place has been dug out of the jungle and restored, so I can't really see how some people climbing on the temple could have ruined it.

My guess is they took pieces of temple stone as souvenirs.


I love stone temple pirates.
2012-12-27 12:41:06 AM
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Aces and Eights: Happy Hours: Aces and Eights: I suggested he help introduce some sort of industry into the village to help with the extreme poverty. He said he had to be careful not to change their culture.

Prime Directive?

And if he converts them (I presume to Christianity) will that not change their culture?

I suppose it's something like the Prime Directive guiding principle. I too find it ironic that he doesn't want to change their culture, and yet his primary reason for being in their presence is to convert them to Christianity and help them find hope. I don't think he sees that as a conundrum.
I think his heart is in the right place, in that he wants to do something to help them. But it does pose some interesting questions about what exactly needs changing and who gets to decide what's best for an entire village. I suggested maybe they're just fine living the way they have been for generations, but he says the women all tell him they're miserable and wish their lives were better. The men mostly just drink and ignore him.

He has succeeded in showing them how to build enclosures for their chickens so they can start some kind of husbandry. Small steps.

I wish I knew the answer for them.


Well, there's gradually altering their culture so they can enter the 20th century; and then there's radically changing their culture so they become indistinguishable from thousands of other "primitive" cultures who were "helped" by well-meaning people who said "Here!  Let's give you electricity and running water and fertilizer and radio and start paving your roads and get you some market economy and send your kids to school, howabout some contracts with outside markets for your trade goods-what, you don't have any? Well, I know a guy who can sell your turnips in Tijuana, just sign right here..."

It's very frustrating to be caught between people whose lives are miserable and want them to be better, and knowing that changing things too fast means ending up like dozens of villages all over the globe that are worse off now than when missionaries came in to make things better. It sounds like he's doing it right. The only answer is to make haste slowly.
2012-12-26 11:48:57 PM
1 votes:
Actually, Sonja Schwanke's sister and brother-in-law are close friends of ours. We were viewing a slideshow last night of their trip to the pyramids at our post-family-Christmas party. Their pictures were amazing, and there was no news of looting or vandalism. Sounds like a slow news day.
2012-12-26 11:27:06 PM
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Aces and Eights: My very white cousin lives amongst very poor Mayans in the jungle. He is there as a missionary. He says most of the men work cane fields a few weeks out of the year, and sit around and drink homemade rum the rest of the time. Typically, the women do whatever work there is to be done. Kids get ignored mostly. My cousin desperately wants to help them. They are quite distrustful of white men, but accepted him because one of their leaders had a vision that he would arrive. Two weeks later, into their village he walked.

I suggested he help introduce some sort of industry into the village to help with the extreme poverty. He said he had to be careful not to change their culture.


Isn't that essentially what missionaries do?
2012-12-26 10:37:38 PM
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whatshisname: I wonder what the "irreparable" damage was? People have always been allowed to climb to the top of Temple II via some wooden stairs and sit on the upper stairs. Most of the place has been dug out of the jungle and restored, so I can't really see how some people climbing on the temple could have ruined it.


I've been to Tikal*, climbed the appropriate stairs, and got some great photos and memories from there. This sort of shiat pisses me off.

I imagine climbing up the front of the temple on the stairs could have dislodged stones. Or -- knowing idiot tourists -- pulling out small stones that may have been loose on the front of the temple and taking them home seems most likely.

* I just realized, my shirt today has a picture of Altun Ha on it... Belikin Beer.
2012-12-26 10:35:25 PM
1 votes:
First there was the American southwest, then there was Hawaii. Sounds like the Bradys have taken their cultural insensitivity tour to Central America for a Very Brady Apocalypse.
2012-12-26 10:24:19 PM
1 votes:
Well, that sucks. I climbed that pyramid a couple of times back in the day - well, about 15-20 years ago. Damn tourists.

/and lax security at the site for allowing that shiat to happen
2012-12-26 10:21:02 PM
1 votes:

whatshisname: I wonder what the "irreparable" damage was? People have always been allowed to climb to the top of Temple II via some wooden stairs and sit on the upper stairs. Most of the place has been dug out of the jungle and restored, so I can't really see how some people climbing on the temple could have ruined it.


My guess is they took pieces of temple stone as souvenirs.
2012-12-26 10:18:41 PM
1 votes:
I wonder what the "irreparable" damage was? People have always been allowed to climb to the top of Temple II via some wooden stairs and sit on the upper stairs. Most of the place has been dug out of the jungle and restored, so I can't really see how some people climbing on the temple could have ruined it.
2012-12-26 10:11:23 PM
1 votes:

Indubitably: Gyrfalcon: Oh, great. We made it though the apocalypse date okay; but NOW we're screwed!

We were always screwed, darlin'. *)


You just wish that was in the present tense ;)
2012-12-26 10:11:20 PM
1 votes:
Fat white people's problems.

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2012-12-26 10:05:45 PM
1 votes:
Oh, great. We made it though the apocalypse date okay; but NOW we're screwed!
2012-12-26 09:51:37 PM
1 votes:
"We actually have no evidence that the ancient Maya predicted or wrote down any kind of apocalyptic world-ending event associated with the 2012 date."

The media never lets anything like actual facts get in the way of sensationalizing a story.
 
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