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(NPR)   You know all those cool apps you like to use to track your exercise, BMI, heart rate, and other health-related information? Turns out your employer likes them, too   (npr.org) divider line 157
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2012-12-26 12:51:24 PM  
Just in time for your New Years resolution to get healthy.
 
2012-12-26 01:24:25 PM  
Just keep your private life private.  Come in do a good job and leave.
 
2012-12-26 01:39:48 PM  
And another lengthy article negated with the term "could be" in the first paragraph.
 
2012-12-26 01:46:37 PM  
When will this crap stop?

...Oh, right. Never.

People are stupid. It'll never stop.
 
2012-12-26 01:56:45 PM  
Ok, so I get lower health insurance rates than my coworkers, and they get an incentive to get in shape. I don't see the downside here.
 
2012-12-26 02:52:07 PM  
Yet another reason to stop linking health care and employment. It's only a historical accident that they ever were.

By which I mean that the faster we get to single payer, the better off we all are. Your boss can focus on building his business instead of asking more and more questions about your personal life.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-26 02:57:58 PM  
Ok, so I get lower health insurance rates than my coworkers

Except health insurance rate discrimination will be illegal. But they can fire somebody other than you based on health. Or they can fire you because that high heart rate happens at the same time as a coworker's. Coincident exertion = sex. You're having sex with a coworker in violation of company policy.
 
2012-12-26 03:13:32 PM  
The future is going to be even more evil than the present.
 
2012-12-26 03:21:57 PM  

werekoala: Yet another reason to stop linking health care and employment. It's only a historical accident that they ever were.

By which I mean that the faster we get to single payer, the better off we all are. Your boss can focus on building his business instead of asking more and more questions about your personal life.


Ok so that will eliminate about 40% of the worrying.  Still worry about your sickly arse will show up.
 
2012-12-26 03:46:09 PM  

werekoala: Yet another reason to stop linking health care and employment. It's only a historical accident that they ever were.

By which I mean that the faster we get to single payer, the better off we all are. Your boss can focus on building his business instead of asking more and more questions about your personal life.


I recently read an advice columnist who received a letter from a prospective employer who was worried--to the point of seriously considering not offering the job--that an exceptional applicant didn't have a Facebook page.  What's next, following us home and peeking in the windows to make sure we're behaving ourselves?
 
2012-12-26 04:31:17 PM  

ZAZ: Ok, so I get lower health insurance rates than my coworkers

Except health insurance rate discrimination will be illegal. But they can fire somebody other than you based on health. Or they can fire you because that high heart rate happens at the same time as a coworker's. Coincident exertion = sex. You're having sex with a coworker in violation of company policy.


I think your tinfoil hat may be just a little too tight.
 
2012-12-26 04:35:44 PM  

SDRR: ZAZ: Ok, so I get lower health insurance rates than my coworkers

Except health insurance rate discrimination will be illegal. But they can fire somebody other than you based on health. Or they can fire you because that high heart rate happens at the same time as a coworker's. Coincident exertion = sex. You're having sex with a coworker in violation of company policy.

I think your tinfoil hat may be just a little too tight.


That's the only way to keep the government Z waves out. The tighter, the better.
 
2012-12-26 04:36:02 PM  
Why would anyone be "scared" that their employer knew their heart rate and BMI?
 
2012-12-26 04:36:22 PM  
Charles Wong straps a belt to me that vibrates when I slouch.

www.geekzenith.com

/hot
 
2012-12-26 04:37:43 PM  
My boss is a lard-ass. He's can't say shiat to anyone.
 
2012-12-26 04:38:33 PM  
I like the Weeners. A bit dystopian, but it could happen.
 
2012-12-26 04:39:14 PM  

downstairs: And another lengthy article negated with the term "could be" in the first paragraph.


someone has to beg the question that the liberal lame stream in the tank msm media won't.
 
2012-12-26 04:39:57 PM  
Fortunately, Obamacare will prevent you from getting gouged by some scumbag insurance company based on this information.
 
2012-12-26 04:40:03 PM  
I don't take my phone into the gym, I like having my HRM displayed in front of me instead of on my wrist, chart-BMI is wrong on me, and I hate the idea of working for corporate overlords.

I'm perfectly set for this stupid new world where employers get snoopy.
 
2012-12-26 04:40:51 PM  
My employer was offering $200 off our health insurance premiums for the last several years if we filled out a survey online and jumped thru a few other hoops. This year we have to fill out a survey and get a physical and send in a report to the insurance company or they're going to add $600 to our premiums for the year. As a pharmacist, I don't like the idea of bullying people who are already paid too little into giving up their health information to an employer at all.
 
2012-12-26 04:42:58 PM  

werekoala: Yet another reason to stop linking health care and employment. It's only a historical accident that they ever were.

By which I mean that the faster we get to single payer, the better off we all are. Your boss can focus on building his business instead of asking more and more questions about your personal life.


But all those middle-men needed to interpret the myriad of different insurance firm's rules would be out of job. And all those poor companies would lose that business.

And there's those poor, poor shareholders that then won't get dividends. You know shareholders? There the ones that give all the campaign contributions to those poor starving politicians,
Can't let that happen
 
2012-12-26 04:43:42 PM  
Between Strava, runkeeper, Fitocracy, Endomondo and Training Peaks just keeping track of my exercise is a workout.
 
2012-12-26 04:44:11 PM  

Pharmdawg: My employer was offering $200 off our health insurance premiums for the last several years if we filled out a survey online and jumped thru a few other hoops. This year we have to fill out a survey and get a physical and send in a report to the insurance company or they're going to add $600 to our premiums for the year. As a pharmacist, I don't like the idea of bullying people who are already paid too little into giving up their health information to an employer at all.


I would have thought with any sort of health or life insurance you'd be required to have an exam and provide medical history. That's how insurance works doesn't it? I pay less for car insurance because I haven't had any accidents. I pay more for life insurance because my mother had cancer.
 
2012-12-26 04:44:45 PM  

trivial use of my dark powers: werekoala: Yet another reason to stop linking health care and employment. It's only a historical accident that they ever were.

By which I mean that the faster we get to single payer, the better off we all are. Your boss can focus on building his business instead of asking more and more questions about your personal life.

I recently read an advice columnist who received a letter from a prospective employer who was worried--to the point of seriously considering not offering the job--that an exceptional applicant didn't have a Facebook page.  What's next, following us home and peeking in the windows to make sure we're behaving ourselves?



Remember, your not social unless you sign up for a social website, dident you know that? Actualy wanting to meet people in real life and maybe even phone them just dosent fly
 
2012-12-26 04:45:20 PM  
Of course.

Huge companies can't "afford" to pay employees decent wages or hire more staff to take the burden off people working inane amounts of hours per week, but they can certainly spring for useless gadgets to encourage performance "incentives."
 
2012-12-26 04:47:01 PM  

ISO15693: Why would anyone be "scared" that their employer knew their heart rate and BMI?


Because while they can't fire you directly for health issues, they can look as closely as possible at every little thing you do or say and collect enough problems to fire you for it.
 
2012-12-26 04:47:06 PM  

ISO15693: Why would anyone be "scared" that their employer knew their heart rate and BMI?


Fat people pay more for insurance. Your employer would know you aren't trying to unfat
 
2012-12-26 04:47:58 PM  
From the article:

If your self-tracking health device shows that you lead a sedentary lifestyle, then maybe you will pay more for insurance,

why is this a bad thing? This is how insurance works, why would we not utilize more data to better calibrate cost and risk, especially PREVENTABLE risk.

Save me your privacy blatherings, that's a different conversation (not saying it isn't an issue, the two just aren't related).
 
2012-12-26 04:48:26 PM  
who the fark logs sexual activity?
 
2012-12-26 04:54:36 PM  

Bontesla: Just in time for your New Years resolution to get healthy.


I HATE going to the gym January-Feb. The place is absolutely packed with NYResolutionists.
Sadly only a small portion of these folks are hot, single women. Swimming lanes packed, machines taken, general fail in the locker room.
 
2012-12-26 04:55:30 PM  

downstairs: And another lengthy article negated with the term "could be" in the first paragraph.


I don't think that in this case it was negated. They had evidence of this happening. the "could be" is used because the author can't tell what the extent of the problem is. It quite obviously exists and there are examples. Furthermore, there is a massive logical flaw with saying that the apps are safe. One of the developers is quoted in the article saying that he will make the privacy settings more prominent so that people can choose to post their data to public places, but this does not protect users. Users are still vulnerable to employers who collect the data "privately" but sell it or use it at all, and users are vulnerable because the devices are still gathering this data and "privacy" has no definition. The only way for users to be safe would be for the devices to not gather the data, and that option is not on the table in any way, or even being discussed by developers (in the article).
 
2012-12-26 04:56:53 PM  

ISO15693: Why would anyone be "scared" that their employer knew their heart rate and BMI?


Ladies, and gentlemen... I present... the very last person on Fark who has not gotten around to seeing Gattaca...
 
2012-12-26 04:57:18 PM  

chairmenmeow47: who the fark logs sexual activity?


Dear Penthouse letters,

This usually never happens to me but yesterday the hot blonde bisexual twins in the apartment above me...
 
2012-12-26 04:58:15 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Just keep your private life private.  Come in do a good job and leave.


Which is code for "I don't like the gheys".
 
2012-12-26 04:58:53 PM  

chairmenmeow47: who the fark logs sexual activity?


No notches on your bedpost, I see.
 
2012-12-26 04:59:45 PM  
As somebody who runs everyday, I don't have a problem with this. 162.81Total mi / Steps
27.86Total Hours22,998Total Calories 24Workouts
 
2012-12-26 05:02:44 PM  

litespeed74: Bontesla: Just in time for your New Years resolution to get healthy.

I HATE going to the gym January-Feb. The place is absolutely packed with NYResolutionists.
Sadly only a small portion of these folks are hot, single women. Swimming lanes packed, machines taken, general fail in the locker room.


That's why it's nice to be able to hit the gym in the middle of the day. And living in suburbia I'm surrounded by the Desperate Housewives types.
 
2012-12-26 05:03:44 PM  

Pharmdawg
Carth


Hmm. You have valid points.
 
2012-12-26 05:04:53 PM  

whatshisname: Pharmdawg: My employer was offering $200 off our health insurance premiums for the last several years if we filled out a survey online and jumped thru a few other hoops. This year we have to fill out a survey and get a physical and send in a report to the insurance company or they're going to add $600 to our premiums for the year. As a pharmacist, I don't like the idea of bullying people who are already paid too little into giving up their health information to an employer at all.

I would have thought with any sort of health or life insurance you'd be required to have an exam and provide medical history. That's how insurance works doesn't it? I pay less for car insurance because I haven't had any accidents. I pay more for life insurance because my mother had cancer.


Health insurance is an all or nothing deal: all employees pay for it and all get it. It generally can't be canceled as long as you are employed otherwise it would be pointless. Imagine if it you paid your premiums for years and the policy was renewable every Jan 1 and then on Dec 31 you are diagnosed with cancer. The insurance company would cancel and it's off to bankruptcy court for you.
 
2012-12-26 05:05:44 PM  
My favorite is a former colleague who worked remotely. He managed to get canned when it was discovered just how often he was logged into CoD during the day when he should have been working.

/Farking is much safer
 
2012-12-26 05:08:51 PM  
I would be fine with this.  I love wearing my fitbit, and I'd be stoked if continuing to wear it meant that I got a discount on my health insurance.
 
2012-12-26 05:09:05 PM  

gingerjet: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Just keep your private life private.  Come in do a good job and leave.

Which is code for "I don't like the gheys".


Nope, it's code for "I just work with you. That does not mean we are friends, and I don't need to know every aspect of your life, nor you mine."
 
2012-12-26 05:09:13 PM  

PawisBetlog: why is this a bad thing? This is how insurance works, why would we not utilize more data to better calibrate cost and risk, especially PREVENTABLE risk.


At some point, "more data" becomes 'how far up my ass do they want to crawl to delineate a specific price point'

Do you own a red car vs a white car? Pay us more
Are you related to anyone who has ever had a heart disease issue? Pay us more..
You only reported 3 miles on the treadmill vs the 5 miles required? Pay us more!
 
2012-12-26 05:09:50 PM  

chairmenmeow47: who the fark logs sexual activity?


http://content6.flixster.com/question/61/05/54/6105540_std.jpg
 
2012-12-26 05:10:32 PM  

Acharne: chairmenmeow47: who the fark logs sexual activity?

http://content6.flixster.com/question/61/05/54/6105540_std.jpg


And by that I mean:

content6.flixster.com
 
2012-12-26 05:11:34 PM  

werekoala: Yet another reason to stop linking health care and employment. It's only a historical accident that they ever were.

By which I mean that the faster we get to single payer, the better off we all are. Your boss can focus on building his business instead of asking more and more questions about your personal life.


werekoala: Yet another reason to stop linking health care and employment. It's only a historical accident that they ever were.

By which I mean that the faster we get to single payer, the better off we all are. Your boss can focus on building his business instead of asking more and more questions about your personal life.


werekoala: Yet another reason to stop linking health care and employment. It's only a historical accident that they ever were.

By which I mean that the faster we get to single payer, the better off we all are. Your boss can focus on building his business instead of asking more and more questions about your personal life.


werekoala: Yet another reason to stop linking health care and employment. It's only a historical accident that they ever were.

By which I mean that the faster we get to single payer, the better off we all are. Your boss can focus on building his business instead of asking more and more questions about your personal life.


werekoala: Yet another reason to stop linking health care and employment. It's only a historical accident that they ever were.

By which I mean that the faster we get to single payer, the better off we all are. Your boss can focus on building his business instead of asking more and more questions about your personal life.


I strongly agree with the above.
 
2012-12-26 05:12:14 PM  

whatshisname: Pharmdawg: My employer was offering $200 off our health insurance premiums for the last several years if we filled out a survey online and jumped thru a few other hoops. This year we have to fill out a survey and get a physical and send in a report to the insurance company or they're going to add $600 to our premiums for the year. As a pharmacist, I don't like the idea of bullying people who are already paid too little into giving up their health information to an employer at all.

I would have thought with any sort of health or life insurance you'd be required to have an exam and provide medical history. That's how insurance works doesn't it? I pay less for car insurance because I haven't had any accidents. I pay more for life insurance because my mother had cancer.


This information will be available to the employer though, I'm sure of it.
 
2012-12-26 05:12:36 PM  
This is why I'll stick with my little notebook and spreadsheets. Don't want to waste 1/3 or 1/2 of my battery on a stupid app anyway.
 
2012-12-26 05:13:35 PM  

Persnickety: whatshisname: Pharmdawg: My employer was offering $200 off our health insurance premiums for the last several years if we filled out a survey online and jumped thru a few other hoops. This year we have to fill out a survey and get a physical and send in a report to the insurance company or they're going to add $600 to our premiums for the year. As a pharmacist, I don't like the idea of bullying people who are already paid too little into giving up their health information to an employer at all.

I would have thought with any sort of health or life insurance you'd be required to have an exam and provide medical history. That's how insurance works doesn't it? I pay less for car insurance because I haven't had any accidents. I pay more for life insurance because my mother had cancer.

Health insurance is an all or nothing deal: all employees pay for it and all get it. It generally can't be canceled as long as you are employed otherwise it would be pointless. Imagine if it you paid your premiums for years and the policy was renewable every Jan 1 and then on Dec 31 you are diagnosed with cancer. The insurance company would cancel and it's off to bankruptcy court for you.


Actually, employees can opt out of life and health insurance at any time or opt in only when they get hired on or during general enrollment. When it comes to group rates, 75% of the employees have to accept. My neighbor can buy health insurance through Mutual of Omaha and take a job anywhere else and not be told that as an employee she'd have to accept the company health insurance.

/sells life and health insurance
 
2012-12-26 05:15:27 PM  
But, but, but... CLAAAWD!!!

Too many people can't see their freedom slowly slipping away.

Don't forget to sign up for big, big discounts with your insurance company by using the neat little tracking gizmo that plugs into your car.
 
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