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(Boston.com)   The most interesting take-away from the Boston Globe's extensive post-mortem of Romney's Campaign isn't the claim that Romney didn't really want to be president, but that Obama won because his team was better at "community organizing" than Romney's   (boston.com ) divider line
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2012-12-26 12:12:33 PM  
One of the gravest errors, many say, was the Romney team's failure, until too late in the campaign, to sell voters on hide the candidate's personal qualities and leadership 'gifts'.

Fixed.

I'm sure we've been over this a million times already -- Romney's most evident personal quality was "bullshiatter", and while he had a skillset that served him well in the private equity biz, many of us believe it's the wrong skillset for leading the country.
 
2012-12-26 12:19:30 PM  
Not sure why that would be ironic. I'd expect a former community organizer to know more about community organizing.
 
2012-12-26 12:29:44 PM  

St_Francis_P: Not sure why that would be ironic. I'd expect a former community organizer to know more about community organizing.


Saying he simply wasn't good at organizing community support is a bit generous considering that never appeared to be his strategy. Instead, his strategy was to purposefully exclude portions of the community. He carried out his strategy quite well it just wasn't a particularly good one.
 
2012-12-26 12:33:28 PM  

St_Francis_P: Not sure why that would be ironic. I'd expect a former community organizer to know more about community organizing.


It's ironic because it was somthing the Republicans relentelessly mocked Obama for once being, decrying it as a useless, even embarassing resume item.   That the skills he learned thereby seemed to be the ones he used to carry him to victory is supremely ironic
 
2012-12-26 12:34:41 PM  

Bontesla: St_Francis_P: Not sure why that would be ironic. I'd expect a former community organizer to know more about community organizing.

Saying he simply wasn't good at organizing community support is a bit generous considering that never appeared to be his strategy. Instead, his strategy was to purposefully exclude portions of the community. He carried out his strategy quite well it just wasn't a particularly good one.


Mitt's a spectacularly bad manager. People made him out to be a Captain of Industry, but all he knows how to do is buy distressed companies and sell them off after picking the bones. That takes lots of money, which he has, but no particular talent.
 
2012-12-26 12:44:27 PM  

St_Francis_P: Bontesla: St_Francis_P: Not sure why that would be ironic. I'd expect a former community organizer to know more about community organizing.

Saying he simply wasn't good at organizing community support is a bit generous considering that never appeared to be his strategy. Instead, his strategy was to purposefully exclude portions of the community. He carried out his strategy quite well it just wasn't a particularly good one.

Mitt's a spectacularly bad manager. People made him out to be a Captain of Industry, but all he knows how to do is buy distressed companies and sell them off after picking the bones. That takes lots of money, which he has, but no particular talent.


Occasionally, as Leader of the Free World™, you're called upon to help prevent the world from blowing up, and a guy who's good at busting up companies and picking through the bones is the last person you want to give that responsibility to.
 
2012-12-26 12:57:53 PM  
I'm still surprised that he did as well as he did. Romney was obviously someone's idea of what a President should look like, but it was obvious that he really had no charisma. This isn't even considering his economic plans that made no sense. All in all, it was a good year politically.
 
2012-12-26 01:15:55 PM  

Magorn: St_Francis_P: Not sure why that would be ironic. I'd expect a former community organizer to know more about community organizing.

It's ironic because it was somthing the Republicans relentelessly mocked Obama for once being, decrying it as a useless, even embarassing resume item.   That the skills he learned thereby seemed to be the ones he used to carry him to victory is supremely ironic


Maybe that's it. Good enough for Fark ironic, in any event.
 
2012-12-26 01:24:46 PM  

Bontesla: Saying he simply wasn't good at organizing community support is a bit generous considering that never appeared to be his strategy. Instead, his strategy was to purposefully exclude portions of the community. He carried out his strategy quite well it just wasn't a particularly good one.


It is common knowledge that they were operating under the assumption that pro-Obama voting blocs would be turning out in lower numbers than in 2008. Suppression was to be the death blow. Based on what I read, if the suppression efforts resulted in anything, it was a serious backlash, particularly from African-American churchgoers.
 
2012-12-26 01:35:12 PM  
Well sure, with all those ACORN employees on Obama's campaign payroll what do you expect?
 
2012-12-26 01:48:42 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: Bontesla: Saying he simply wasn't good at organizing community support is a bit generous considering that never appeared to be his strategy. Instead, his strategy was to purposefully exclude portions of the community. He carried out his strategy quite well it just wasn't a particularly good one.

It is common knowledge that they were operating under the assumption that pro-Obama voting blocs would be turning out in lower numbers than in 2008. Suppression was to be the death blow. Based on what I read, if the suppression efforts resulted in anything, it was a serious backlash, particularly from African-American churchgoers.


That, and the post -election polling numbers seem to indicate that liberal voters are more rational and less emotional than Republican ones.  All the Pre-election poll showed an "enthusiasm gap" showing voters  on the left were less excited about this election than previous ones.  Some pols showed only 45% of self-identifed Democratic voters under 30 said they were "excited" or "very excited" about the election.   Meanwhile the reverse was true for many of Romney's core demographic groups.  White evangelical males in particular  responded in the 75%+ range on that same question.

Thus GOP pollsters naturally assumed lower excitement among dems also meant lower turnout an high excitement by evvangelicals meant they were coming out in droves.  BZZZT!  Evangelicals stayed home in droves and young democrats exceeded their turnout from 2008
 
2012-12-26 02:01:53 PM  
No one who voted for Romney actually liked him. They were casting a vote against Obama. Then again, many of these people would've voted for an undisguised Satan if he were on the GOP ticket.
 
2012-12-26 02:06:26 PM  
don't get me wrong - Team Obama was VERY well organized and effective at the state/local level.  I know I learned a helluva lot while working on the Obama campaign.  But lets face it...Romney was an incompetent idiot.  not only was his campaign organization laughable, but Romney himself was a buffoon: he couldn't focus on a message, let alone actually articulate what it was he stood for, plus he hid his tax returns and certainly looked guilty as hell.  on top of that he had a talent for sounding like an out of touch rich elitist jerk and/or being the rich biatch boss nobody likes to have in the office.

ground game is important.  absolutely no argument from me on that score...but having an incompetent idiot for an opponent is a gift from the gods.
 
2012-12-26 02:14:07 PM  
I relished every time a teabagger would use "community organizer" as a pejorative knowing it was a good thing for a fine  POTUS.
 
2012-12-26 02:15:02 PM  
I'll never forget Giuliani mocking Obama for the community organizer role at the 2008 Republican Convention and the crowd yucking it up. I don't know why exactly but that moment more than any other of the convention made me want to put a fist through my TV.
 
2012-12-26 02:16:29 PM  

phaseolus: Occasionally, as Leader of the Free World™, you're called upon to help prevent the world from blowing up, and a guy who's good at busting up companies and picking through the bones is the last person you want to give that responsibility to.


Unless we are in post apocalypse then a guy who is good at picking through the bones is exactly what you want!
 
2012-12-26 02:21:59 PM  
One of the gravest errors, many say, was the Romney team's failure, until too late in the campaign, to sell voters on the candidate's personal qualities and leadership gifts.

Kind of hard to sell something you don't have.
 
2012-12-26 02:23:37 PM  

olddeegee: I'm still surprised that he did as well as he did. Romney was obviously someone's idea of what a President should look like, but it was obvious that he really had no charisma. This isn't even considering his economic plans that made no sense. All in all, it was a good year politically.


I'd be willing to bet that a majority of those who voted for Romney only voted for him because he wasn't Obama. The Republicans in my family were that way (even though I told them in no uncertain terms that Rmoney would've been 100 times worse as POTUS than they think Obama has been).

All summer, I kept thinking back to 2004 when John Kerry ran against Bush and the races were very parallel in many ways. A politician from Massachusetts who's known for being inconsistent in his views going up against an incumbent who's popular with his own party. The challenging party taking the attitude of "anybody but Bush/Obama." And in both cases, the challenger got his ass kicked.
 
2012-12-26 02:23:46 PM  
I would love to see Romney on an episode of Undercover Boss.
 
2012-12-26 02:23:46 PM  

Weaver95: don't get me wrong - Team Obama was VERY well organized and effective at the state/local level.  I know I learned a helluva lot while working on the Obama campaign.  But lets face it...Romney was an incompetent idiot.  not only was his campaign organization laughable, but Romney himself was a buffoon: he couldn't focus on a message, let alone actually articulate what it was he stood for, plus he hid his tax returns and certainly looked guilty as hell.  on top of that he had a talent for sounding like an out of touch rich elitist jerk and/or being the rich biatch boss nobody likes to have in the office.

ground game is important.  absolutely no argument from me on that score...but having an incompetent idiot for an opponent is a gift from the gods.


This is pretty much proof positive of that:
Rich Beeson, the Romney political director who coauthored the now-discredited Ohio memo, said that only after the election did he realize what Obama was doing with so much manpower on the ground. Obama had more than 3,000 paid workers nationwide, compared with 500 for Romney, and hundreds of thousands of volunteers.
"Now I know what they were doing with all the staffs and offices," Beeson said. "They were literally creating a one-to-one contact with voters," something that Romney did not have the staff to match.
Republicans, as it happened, had lost track of their own winning formula.
Democrats said they followed the trail blazed in 2004 by the Bush campaign which used an array of databases to "microtarget" voters and a sophisticated field organization to turn them out. Obama won in part by updating the GOP's innovation.


Here's the guy in charge of plotting his campaign's strategy  and he seems almost stunningly incurious about why his enemy is massing troops in a particular location of the eve of battle.  "Fark it Gen Custer, I wouldn't worry about all those Indian braves your scouts keep seeing on the move, they're probably just travelling to see relatives of soemthing"
 
2012-12-26 02:27:00 PM  
ftfa: To this day, Romney's aides wonder how it all went so wrong.
clicks out of link*
The horse is literally a pile of beaten bloody mush and broken bones and the chicken has such a wide gaping hole never to pleasure another GOP member again.
/no pun in 'member', well maybe
 
2012-12-26 02:27:08 PM  
2008:  "HA HA HA HA!!1!  He's a 'Community Organizer!'  What a joke!  He can't beat a war hero!!"

2012:  "HA HA HA HA!!1!  He's a 'Community Organizer!'  AND the worst President ever!  What a joke!  He can't beat a hugely successful businessman!"

I wonder who the Republicans will grossly misunderestimate in 2016.
 
2012-12-26 02:27:20 PM  
Mitt Romney is not stupid, no matter what the lefty Fark community likes to convince itself of.
The fact that he still lost should gives us all a pause.
Think about this and don't denigrate the opposition; it might come back and bite you in the ass.
 
2012-12-26 02:27:28 PM  

Magorn: Weaver95: don't get me wrong - Team Obama was VERY well organized and effective at the state/local level.  I know I learned a helluva lot while working on the Obama campaign.  But lets face it...Romney was an incompetent idiot.  not only was his campaign organization laughable, but Romney himself was a buffoon: he couldn't focus on a message, let alone actually articulate what it was he stood for, plus he hid his tax returns and certainly looked guilty as hell.  on top of that he had a talent for sounding like an out of touch rich elitist jerk and/or being the rich biatch boss nobody likes to have in the office.

ground game is important.  absolutely no argument from me on that score...but having an incompetent idiot for an opponent is a gift from the gods.

This is pretty much proof positive of that:
Rich Beeson, the Romney political director who coauthored the now-discredited Ohio memo, said that only after the election did he realize what Obama was doing with so much manpower on the ground. Obama had more than 3,000 paid workers nationwide, compared with 500 for Romney, and hundreds of thousands of volunteers.
"Now I know what they were doing with all the staffs and offices," Beeson said. "They were literally creating a one-to-one contact with voters," something that Romney did not have the staff to match.
Republicans, as it happened, had lost track of their own winning formula.
Democrats said they followed the trail blazed in 2004 by the Bush campaign which used an array of databases to "microtarget" voters and a sophisticated field organization to turn them out. Obama won in part by updating the GOP's innovation.

Here's the guy in charge of plotting his campaign's strategy  and he seems almost stunningly incurious about why his enemy is massing troops in a particular location of the eve of battle.  "Fark it Gen Custer, I wouldn't worry about all those Indian braves your scouts keep seeing on the move, they're probably just travelling to see relatives of soemth ...


I was about to post the exact same thing.

"Now I know what they were doing with all the staffs and offices,"

The hell did you think they were doing?
 
2012-12-26 02:27:31 PM  
This is something very telling, the Daily Beast did a count of field offices late in the game. Their estimate? Obama 755, Romney 283. He had a 3:1 advantage in the local outreach, whereas the Romney campaign put most of its money into more TV/radio ads instead of leaving it in the hands of third party groups to focus on the ground game.

Obama did it better because Obama's campaign made more of an effort.
 
2012-12-26 02:28:14 PM  

Pincy: One of the gravest errors, many say, was the Romney team's failure, until too late in the campaign, to sell voters on the candidate's personal qualities and leadership gifts.

Kind of hard to sell something you don't have.


I never saw any sign of Romney's mythical 'leadership abilities' in all the time he was running for office.  he came across as a guy who *really* didn't like to be contradicted or second guessed.  he was arrogant, sometimes even petulant.  willfull.  stubborn.  smarmy, at times.  But leadership gifts?  talent?  I saw no evidence of that.  Romney came across as a guy who was born to wealth and expected to be treated as near royalty.

now, I did get the impression that Romney could be generous...as long as it was clear that HE was in charge, HE made all the decisions and that if he gave you a gift you'd damn well better be grateful.  When Obama not only contradicted him during the debates, Romney seemed close to completely losing his shiat.  not so much because of what Obama said...but because Obama TALKED BACK to Romney.  Nobody talks back to Romney.  Or at least nobody had 'till that moment anyways.
 
2012-12-26 02:28:34 PM  
Basically the Romney campaign thought the election would be like "Little Mac vs. Mike Tyson" with the game genie on...

The campaign actually went like "Little Mac vs. Mike Tyson" in real life...
 
2012-12-26 02:29:59 PM  

Magorn: Weaver95: don't get me wrong - Team Obama was VERY well organized and effective at the state/local level.  I know I learned a helluva lot while working on the Obama campaign.  But lets face it...Romney was an incompetent idiot.  not only was his campaign organization laughable, but Romney himself was a buffoon: he couldn't focus on a message, let alone actually articulate what it was he stood for, plus he hid his tax returns and certainly looked guilty as hell.  on top of that he had a talent for sounding like an out of touch rich elitist jerk and/or being the rich biatch boss nobody likes to have in the office.

ground game is important.  absolutely no argument from me on that score...but having an incompetent idiot for an opponent is a gift from the gods.

This is pretty much proof positive of that:
Rich Beeson, the Romney political director who coauthored the now-discredited Ohio memo, said that only after the election did he realize what Obama was doing with so much manpower on the ground. Obama had more than 3,000 paid workers nationwide, compared with 500 for Romney, and hundreds of thousands of volunteers.
"Now I know what they were doing with all the staffs and offices," Beeson said. "They were literally creating a one-to-one contact with voters," something that Romney did not have the staff to match.
Republicans, as it happened, had lost track of their own winning formula.
Democrats said they followed the trail blazed in 2004 by the Bush campaign which used an array of databases to "microtarget" voters and a sophisticated field organization to turn them out. Obama won in part by updating the GOP's innovation.

Here's the guy in charge of plotting his campaign's strategy  and he seems almost stunningly incurious about why his enemy is massing troops in a particular location of the eve of battle.  "Fark it Gen Custer, I wouldn't worry about all those Indian braves your scouts keep seeing on the move, they're probably just travelling to see relatives of soemth ...


"We've studied it out and don't see the Indians as a current threat. Previous concerns were, essentially, skewed in their favor."
 
2012-12-26 02:30:49 PM  

Magorn: Weaver95: don't get me wrong - Team Obama was VERY well organized and effective at the state/local level.  I know I learned a helluva lot while working on the Obama campaign.  But lets face it...Romney was an incompetent idiot.  not only was his campaign organization laughable, but Romney himself was a buffoon: he couldn't focus on a message, let alone actually articulate what it was he stood for, plus he hid his tax returns and certainly looked guilty as hell.  on top of that he had a talent for sounding like an out of touch rich elitist jerk and/or being the rich biatch boss nobody likes to have in the office.

ground game is important.  absolutely no argument from me on that score...but having an incompetent idiot for an opponent is a gift from the gods.

This is pretty much proof positive of that:
Rich Beeson, the Romney political director who coauthored the now-discredited Ohio memo, said that only after the election did he realize what Obama was doing with so much manpower on the ground. Obama had more than 3,000 paid workers nationwide, compared with 500 for Romney, and hundreds of thousands of volunteers.
"Now I know what they were doing with all the staffs and offices," Beeson said. "They were literally creating a one-to-one contact with voters," something that Romney did not have the staff to match.
Republicans, as it happened, had lost track of their own winning formula.
Democrats said they followed the trail blazed in 2004 by the Bush campaign which used an array of databases to "microtarget" voters and a sophisticated field organization to turn them out. Obama won in part by updating the GOP's innovation.

Here's the guy in charge of plotting his campaign's strategy  and he seems almost stunningly incurious about why his enemy is massing troops in a particular location of the eve of battle.  "Fark it Gen Custer, I wouldn't worry about all those Indian braves your scouts keep seeing on the move, they're probably just travelling to see relatives of soemth ...


Another way to look at this information, one that I find very telling, is that tools that were available to Bush, whether in the form of people, strategies, or advice, were not made available to Romney. They would never say it outright, but I really don't think the Republicans wanted this guy to win.
 
2012-12-26 02:33:41 PM  

hinten: Mitt Romney is not stupid, no matter what the lefty Fark community likes to convince itself of.
The fact that he still lost should gives us all a pause.
Think about this and don't denigrate the opposition; it might come back and bite you in the ass.


Ya, we don't think he's stupid.

We think he's an asshole.
 
2012-12-26 02:34:00 PM  

I Said: Magorn: Weaver95: don't get me wrong - Team Obama was VERY well organized and effective at the state/local level.  I know I learned a helluva lot while working on the Obama campaign.  But lets face it...Romney was an incompetent idiot.  not only was his campaign organization laughable, but Romney himself was a buffoon: he couldn't focus on a message, let alone actually articulate what it was he stood for, plus he hid his tax returns and certainly looked guilty as hell.  on top of that he had a talent for sounding like an out of touch rich elitist jerk and/or being the rich biatch boss nobody likes to have in the office.

ground game is important.  absolutely no argument from me on that score...but having an incompetent idiot for an opponent is a gift from the gods.

This is pretty much proof positive of that:
Rich Beeson, the Romney political director who coauthored the now-discredited Ohio memo, said that only after the election did he realize what Obama was doing with so much manpower on the ground. Obama had more than 3,000 paid workers nationwide, compared with 500 for Romney, and hundreds of thousands of volunteers.
"Now I know what they were doing with all the staffs and offices," Beeson said. "They were literally creating a one-to-one contact with voters," something that Romney did not have the staff to match.
Republicans, as it happened, had lost track of their own winning formula.
Democrats said they followed the trail blazed in 2004 by the Bush campaign which used an array of databases to "microtarget" voters and a sophisticated field organization to turn them out. Obama won in part by updating the GOP's innovation.

Here's the guy in charge of plotting his campaign's strategy  and he seems almost stunningly incurious about why his enemy is massing troops in a particular location of the eve of battle.  "Fark it Gen Custer, I wouldn't worry about all those Indian braves your scouts keep seeing on the move, they're probably just travelling to see relatives of soemth ...

I was about to post the exact same thing.

"Now I know what they were doing with all the staffs and offices,"

The hell did you think they were doing?


The same thing he was doing: hookers and blow, with a decent chunk of the leftover money for those things set aside to take care of himself until the 2016 race started.

For some reason Fark didn't like me linking that Daily Beast article, so it was from October 19th and titled "Ground Game: Obama Campaign Opens Up a Big Lead in Field Offices."
 
2012-12-26 02:38:00 PM  

hinten:
The fact that he still lost should gives us all a pause.


There was zero reason for him to win, and anyone who thought otherwise was suffering from confirmation bias or cognitive dissonance.
 
2012-12-26 02:39:41 PM  

hinten: Mitt Romney is not stupid, no matter what the lefty Fark community likes to convince itself of.
The fact that he still lost should gives us all a pause.
Think about this and don't denigrate the opposition; it might come back and bite you in the ass.


So you're saying we should stop asking for Romney's birth certificate and accusing him of being a foreign-born Muslim? Good to know.
 
2012-12-26 02:41:53 PM  

Shrugging Atlas: hinten: Mitt Romney is not stupid, no matter what the lefty Fark community likes to convince itself of.
The fact that he still lost should gives us all a pause.
Think about this and don't denigrate the opposition; it might come back and bite you in the ass.

So you're saying we should stop asking for Romney's birth certificate and accusing him of being a foreign-born Muslim? Good to know.


It only divides the country and emboldens the enemy. With our country at war and the economy struggling, we should join together and support the failed presidential candidate. Country first.
 
2012-12-26 02:42:29 PM  
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2012-12-26 02:43:14 PM  

hinten: Mitt Romney is not stupid, no matter what the lefty Fark community likes to convince itself of.
The fact that he still lost should gives us all a pause.
Think about this and don't denigrate the opposition; it might come back and bite you in the ass.


Yeah, okay. I have more respect for the Bush family and pre-presidential-run McCain than I do Mitt. No, that man was a fool. From the people he surrounded himself with, to his inability to analyze actual facts, to building strong plans for the country, Mitt sucked at all of them.

This election was more a window into the ignorance of America. If you needed proof that America cared more about what was on TV than actual politics, then you got it. "Honey-Boo-Boo supports  President Obama" was a top Google headline for a day. That in itself should scare the world.
 
2012-12-26 02:43:42 PM  

hinten: Mitt Romney is not stupid, no matter what the lefty Fark community likes to convince itself of.


Very few people have called Romney stupid.

Based on all available evidence, Romney is clearly a first-class asshole, and a stunningly ineffective manager who was shockingly unprepared for a national Presidential campaign. But that doesn't mean he's stupid.
 
2012-12-26 02:44:26 PM  

born_yesterday: Another way to look at this information, one that I find very telling, is that tools that were available to Bush, whether in the form of people, strategies, or advice, were not made available to Romney. They would never say it outright, but I really don't think the Republicans wanted this guy to win.


now that is a very interesting suggestion....
 
2012-12-26 02:44:42 PM  

well, duh.



I've said it before, and I'll say it again: no matter what your political persuasion, anyone who was honestly and objectively looking at the campaigns could have told you that MONTHS before the election.  The one thing I learned from that article that I was vaguely aware of was that Obama had designated faith and resident volunteers - so you were responsible for 50 people in your apartment, to GOTV for your congregation, etc.

I do kind of wonder if he picked up the church volunteer organizer idea from the Census - my coworker there was the designated rep for her Chaldean Iraqi Church, where traditionally they had either very low turnout or people self IDing as "Arabic" and not "Chaldean" (since they had to write in the former), which underrepresented their community in 2000.

In any case, that worked pretty well for the Census two years ago...
 
2012-12-26 02:45:46 PM  

hinten: Mitt Romney is not stupid, no matter what the lefty Fark community likes to convince itself of.
The fact that he still lost should gives us all a pause.
Think about this and don't denigrate the opposition; it might come back and bite you in the ass.


Who said he was stupid? For a Republican he looks like a genius. George W Bush was stupid.
 
2012-12-26 02:46:30 PM  

PapaChester: hinten: Mitt Romney is not stupid, no matter what the lefty Fark community likes to convince itself of.
The fact that he still lost should gives us all a pause.
Think about this and don't denigrate the opposition; it might come back and bite you in the ass.

Yeah, okay. I have more respect for the Bush family and pre-presidential-run McCain than I do Mitt. No, that man was a fool. From the people he surrounded himself with, to his inability to analyze actual facts, to building strong plans for the country, Mitt sucked at all of them.

This election was more a window into the ignorance of America. If you needed proof that America cared more about what was on TV than actual politics, then you got it. "Honey-Boo-Boo supports  President Obama" was a top Google headline for a day. That in itself should scare the world.


Y'know, Google customizes its Google News results if you're logged in - and, I suspect, even if you're not.

That said, I learned something today.
 
2012-12-26 02:48:22 PM  

hinten: Mitt Romney is not stupid, no matter what the lefty Fark community likes to convince itself of.
The fact that he still lost should gives us all a pause.


Why is that? You think Obama is stupid?

Think about this and don't denigrate the opposition; it might come back and bite you in the ass.
You mean like attacking them for being a "socialist", pretending the person is a Muslim or making up some BS thing like they are not American? Like that?
 
2012-12-26 02:48:26 PM  
If Team Romney didn't have near the in-person ground game that Team Obama did, where did all those millions and millions of dollars from right-wing support groups go?? Just expensive TV advertising? Was that the entire difference?

I mean, I've wasted money on personal lost causes myself, but these amounts are astounding.
 
2012-12-26 02:49:11 PM  

phaseolus: St_Francis_P: Bontesla: St_Francis_P: Not sure why that would be ironic. I'd expect a former community organizer to know more about community organizing.

Saying he simply wasn't good at organizing community support is a bit generous considering that never appeared to be his strategy. Instead, his strategy was to purposefully exclude portions of the community. He carried out his strategy quite well it just wasn't a particularly good one.

Mitt's a spectacularly bad manager. People made him out to be a Captain of Industry, but all he knows how to do is buy distressed companies and sell them off after picking the bones. That takes lots of money, which he has, but no particular talent.

Occasionally, as Leader of the Free World™, you're called upon to help prevent the world from blowing up, and a guy who's good at busting up companies and picking through the bones is the last person you want to give that responsibility to.


no. the last person you want to give that to is someone who likes to watch things burn. like me.
 
2012-12-26 02:49:38 PM  

hinten: Mitt Romney is not stupid, no matter what the lefty Fark community likes to convince itself of.
The fact that he still lost should gives us all a pause.
Think about this and don't denigrate the opposition; it might come back and bite you in the ass.


Romney may not be stupid, but he isn't brilliant either. To sympathize with him though, how would YOU like to have to appeal to Tea Partiers and treat them with something other than the condescension they deserve, AND appeal to people who are still members of the reality-based community?
 
2012-12-26 02:49:55 PM  

hinten: Mitt Romney is not stupid, no matter what the lefty Fark community likes to convince itself of.
The fact that he still lost should gives us all a pause.
Think about this and don't denigrate the opposition; it might come back and bite you in the ass.


I don't think he's stupid.  I do think that his campaign was run horribly and that his tendency to surround himself with yes men, combined with doing things in a nuevo-business style (read: outsourcing stuff you really shouldn't outsource, cutting the IT budget, not field testing your election day apparatus, etc) doomed him from early on.

I kind of wonder if it would have been closer, or if he would have won, if he picked the campaign manager who had gotten him the Mass. Governorship.  I still don't entirely know how that happened (wasn't there, haven't researched it all that much, just on paper it still astounds me).  But instead he went with the guy who frequently fought the guy who actually *won* him an executive elected position.  Granted his former campaign manager turned him down but... still...  yeah.
 
2012-12-26 02:51:52 PM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: If Team Romney didn't have near the in-person ground game that Team Obama did, where did all those millions and millions of dollars from right-wing support groups go?? Just expensive TV advertising? Was that the entire difference?

I mean, I've wasted money on personal lost causes myself, but these amounts are astounding.


Huck And Molly Ziegler: If Team Romney didn't have near the in-person ground game that Team Obama did, where did all those millions and millions of dollars from right-wing support groups go?? Just expensive TV advertising? Was that the entire difference?

I mean, I've wasted money on personal lost causes myself, but these amounts are astounding.


They still don't understand that TV is losing its power. Hell, Romney hasn't been involved in business since before there was an internet to speak of, and the first place he goes for news is DRUDGE, for God's sake.
 
2012-12-26 02:52:26 PM  

MSFT: hinten:
The fact that he still lost should gives us all a pause.
Fine, make fun of a guy that got 45% of the vote. I'm sure that won't come back and hurt us in the future. Rely on having demographics and nationalities work for Democrats (completely ignoring that all of SA would rather vote conservative and/ir religious).

There was zero reason for him to win, and anyone who thought otherwise was suffering from confirmation bias or cognitive dissonance.

 
2012-12-26 02:52:44 PM  

PapaChester: Yeah, okay. I have more respect for the Bush family and pre-presidential-run McCain than I do Mitt.


I would reconsider that, I have WAY more respect for Romney than the Bush family, and I don't think particularly good things about Romney. Loose change: an American coup
 
2012-12-26 02:53:39 PM  
Dang, my phone is mangling the new Fark interface. Ignore me until I get back to a real Kompupter.
 
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