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2012-12-26 10:03:38 AM  
4 votes:
Dear idiots people who blame video games for violence:

MORAL PANICS ARE INHERENTLY MORE DESTRUCTIVE THAN THE SOCIAL FORCE THEY ARE FIGHTING AGAINST
2012-12-26 09:43:39 AM  
4 votes:
This is very easy.
Lack. Of. Personal. Accountability.

Plain and simple. No one EVER thinks it is his or her fault anymore. This is what happen when people are raised in an "everyone is a winner," special snowflake society. Their precious egos can't handle the fact they did something wrong, and in fact, fail at life. This is at the core of the problem and a lot of problems with society today. It isn't guns. It isn't the news. It isn't video games. It isn't movies. It is the self-entitled child that has had everything handed to him or her on a silver farking platter for his or her entire life that can't handle failure. So much so, when fail does come knocking (ohh and it will), people freak out and commit acts of rage/violence/what-have-you. Stop this snowflake society and I guarantee results...but that's not going to happen when the ex-flower children hippie parents have had their way for so long.
2012-12-26 09:40:53 AM  
4 votes:

cryinoutloud: It might make a difference, especially with all those hyper-realistic VIDEO GAMES that we have now. Yes, I said it. How do we know? Has anyone done a comprehensive study, or any kind of study at all, about how these things might affect us as a society? No, of course not, and we never will.


Actually, plenty of studies on that subject have been done.

Not that you care - you're after a scapegoat, not the truth.
2012-12-26 09:28:43 AM  
4 votes:
If we're going to ban things because they might inspire violent behavior, I suggest we start with the Bible, the Quran, and the Communist Manifesto. Those three have inspired more death and destruction than anything else I know of.
2012-12-26 09:27:07 AM  
4 votes:

runaway06: NRA / "Conservative" slogan
Guns don't kill people. Movies and video games kill people


art.penny-arcade.com
/appropriate, yet again.
2012-12-26 09:59:58 AM  
3 votes:
4.bp.blogspot.com
I love this graphic SO much! And it gives it's data source (the DOJ) to boot!
2012-12-26 09:54:34 AM  
3 votes:
I wish to address the elephant in the room in regard to these shootings.

Virtually every single mass shooting going back to Columbine was committed by a male who was not sexually active. These shootings are caused by extreme frustration which causes these men to lash out violently, and sexual frustration plays a huge role. Getting laid every now and again goes a long way in ensuring mental stability, while never getting laid while falling into a routine of loneliness and social isolation is a great way to build mental instability.

Maybe the solution is to legalize prostitution, maybe the problem won't be solved until they invent reasonably sexy robots. But either way, I remain convinced that handjobs save lives.
2012-12-26 09:25:26 AM  
3 votes:
Yes, witnessing on average 80000 killings before you hiiit middle school probably has no effect on anyone subs.
2012-12-26 11:06:12 AM  
2 votes:

dittybopper: What, you mean like Norway?


You mean one attack in decades versus 61 in the United States since 1982? Gosh, you're right. That one event by a paranoid, racist man who used an illegal weapon to carry out the opening shots of what he thought would be a revolution in his crazed mind invalidates every point about their culture and approach to mental health and altruism being valid.
2012-12-26 10:33:03 AM  
2 votes:
farm4.staticflickr.com

Let's start by banning the original "dirty book".
2012-12-26 10:23:30 AM  
2 votes:

Charles Martel: It makes as much sense to blame Tarantino for mass killings as it does to blame AR-15s for mass killings.


If someone walks into a school and starts killing people by throwing Reservoir Dogs DVD's at them, you might have an equivalent argument.

I've never felt any influence from violent movies, but maybe that's because I was a child of the 80s. Granted, back then, shoot em up westerns were on TV all the time, and theaters alternated every week between slasher flicks and movies like Rambo, Predator, and Robocop.

Psychopaths will look for anything to justify their motivations. Charles Whitman gunned down people from a clocktower at a time when movies couldn't show a gunshot and it's impact on a person in the same frame. Hell, the Son of Sam believed a dog was an ancient god ordering him to kill.

If you're looking for a real analysis on the impact of violent movies on people, just look at Canada. They get the exact same violent TV shows and violent movies that we do at the same time we do, and per capita, they have a minute fraction of the crime.
2012-12-26 10:04:54 AM  
2 votes:
www.justfactsdaily.com

If the idea that violent media, especially more realistic violent media, increases homicides in anyway, then this graph should be *RISING*, not *FALLING*.

Perhaps realistic violent media actually has some sort of cathartic effect instead. I'm not married to the idea, but it certainly fits the data better.
2012-12-26 09:47:31 AM  
2 votes:
Ya know, if your dumbass kid is THAT influenced by movies or games or music or whatever, you are a complete and abject failure as a parent.
2012-12-26 09:42:43 AM  
2 votes:

dofus: Murder and mayhem will never take a holiday but it seems reasonable to me that if kids weren't fed a constant diet of it in movies, TV and video games from the time they're able to walk, they might be a little less willing to accept it as a viable option in an argument when they're adults.

And before some wag goes gaga over the 1st amendment, let's not forget the old 'yelling fire in a crowded theater' thing. There are limits to free speech.


The thing is, I listen to death metal and black metal. I watch horror movies. I play violent video games. The only time I have ever resorted to violence IRL is if I had no other choice. My first choice is always to RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY! If I can't, then  I start swinging. My son, who is in his 20's, grew up with this stuff and is much the same  way, except throw in some anime and big band music. We both despise violence IRL. We, like most people who listen to "extreme" metal, watch horror movies and play violent video games, would never harm anyone by choice. I can't even stand to hear about someone being harmed IRL many times,  which is why I can't watch Investigation Discovery very often. It horrifies me. I still shiver about one poor girl's story on that channel and the torture she went through and wish I'd never seen that episode of that show at all.

It's not the entertainment. You are surrounded by people like us. Every. Single. Day. It's the person committing the violence and some fundamental flaw in  them. For most of us, it's merely an outlet, sometimes for aggression, but it's an outlet that is harmless on its face.
2012-12-26 09:32:56 AM  
2 votes:
It might make a difference, especially with all those hyper-realistic VIDEO GAMES that we have now. Yes, I said it. How do we know? Has anyone done a comprehensive study, or any kind of study at all, about how these things might affect us as a society? No, of course not, and we never will.

I'm a firm believer that advertising and the consumer culture has harmed us a great deal. Same sort of thing ---it's just words and pictures. We don't have to participate. And yet our country is much, much different than it would have been if we weren't inundated with messages to buy, buy, buy 24 hours a day. How do you know that a lot of exposure to fake violence hasn't somehow affected our way of thinking about things?
2012-12-26 09:31:45 AM  
2 votes:

runaway06: Movies and video games kill people


The point of contention is that some, not all, of video games and movies kind of glorify killing. And for some obviously less stable people they might not quite have it all together, well things can possibly start to get fuzzy.

Will I put on a yellow track suit and start hacking people to bits after watching a Kill Bill marathon? Probably not. But I can see a 15-18 year old that idolizes a particular character in a game or a movie having a lapse in judgment.

Does it mean that we should ban violence in TV in movies? No. But in turn if we had any writers worth a damn we wouldn't have to fill in so much time of a movie with it to hide the fact that there isn't any plot advancement and that they only have 20 minutes of actual story that they need to stretch to an hour and forty-five minutes.
2012-12-26 09:28:55 AM  
2 votes:
Murder and mayhem will never take a holiday but it seems reasonable to me that if kids weren't fed a constant diet of it in movies, TV and video games from the time they're able to walk, they might be a little less willing to accept it as a viable option in an argument when they're adults.

And before some wag goes gaga over the 1st amendment, let's not forget the old 'yelling fire in a crowded theater' thing. There are limits to free speech.
2012-12-26 09:27:52 AM  
2 votes:
No no no. SEX is bad. Violence is WHOLESOME.
2012-12-26 09:24:21 AM  
2 votes:
Oh so?

Its good to know that people weren't killing one another violently before film and television were around.
2012-12-26 10:02:07 PM  
1 votes:

austerity101: Even if you take out all of the shootings that you have decided don't count, Norway still has far fewer mass shootings after calculating for population differences. How do you explain that?


You want a real answer?

Norway does not allow private citizens to own guns without meeting stringent requirements. Norway does not allow open sales of guns. What this means is that Norwegian CRIMINALS do not have guns, because there are no legal guns to steal (when guns are outlawed, outlaws have to go someplace else to get their guns). Norway can confiscate guns right out of the hands of their owners if they don't have all their papers in order (unlike the US, where the benefit of the doubt goes to the owner, not the government).

Norway has much better healthcare than the US, so mental cases get treatment. Norway has much better penal rehabilitation than the US, so criminals don't get caught in the same kind of revolving door as US prisoners. Norway can preemptively detain suspected terrorists, criminals and other people, since they don't have the same civil rights restrictions as we do. All this means that potential shooters (the crazy, the criminal, the extremists) are under much closer watch than they are here and are more likely to be treated or incarcerated before they snap.

Norway has a more homogenous culture than the US. Even with immigration, minority populations in Norway are smaller than in the US. The divide between rich and poor is not as marked as it is in the US. Norwegian politics and socialist policies tend to ensure that most people have what they need to survive, so tensions are not as severe as they are in America between the haves and the have-nots.

Since mass-shootings tend to be synergistically caused, the lack of the causes in Norway (lack of guns, lack of social pressure, presence of more safety nets) tend to ensure that they will occur less in Norway than they will here.
2012-12-26 06:05:27 PM  
1 votes:

trappedspirit: letrole: Flaumig: WARRGARBL

trappedspirit: Boom. Someone just got LeTrolled


Boom. Looks like somebody might be an exact profile match

dafuq


Yeah, didn't make any sense to me, either.
2012-12-26 05:51:59 PM  
1 votes:

letrole: Flaumig: WARRGARBL

trappedspirit: Boom. Someone just got LeTrolled


Boom. Looks like somebody might be an exact profile match


dafuq
2012-12-26 04:32:40 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: austerity101: dittybopper: I pointed out that mass shootings do happen in countries that have much stricter laws than the US. Norway was the first one I picked, largely because when you look at casualty count, it's worse than any shooting in the United States, by more than *DOUBLE*.

This was countered by saying rampages in Norway are much more rare, which I pointed out that they should be: Norway is *MUCH* smaller than the US, so they should have fewer rampage shootings.

That's *ALL* I was saying.

And you'll find that the rates of gun violence and mass shootings are lower per capita, making population differences moot.

Gun violence, yes.

Mass shootings: That hasn't necessarily been shown to be true.


The US averages 20 mass shootings a year. (PDF) Wouldn't this mean that, looking at population, Norway should have a mass shooting every 3 years?
2012-12-26 03:07:40 PM  
1 votes:

whatshisname: Teufelaffe: Why, it's almost as if people who have no knowledge whatsoever about psychology or sociology are the ones who scream the loudest that sex & violence in media is the cause of sex & violence in real life.

What, like child psychologists and psychiatrists and their professional organizations, which pretty much universally agree that violent media has an effect on people?


"has an effect" ≠ "causes"

Oh, and [citation needed].
2012-12-26 02:08:22 PM  
1 votes:

OhioKnight: Sigh.

Rewatch "Bowling for Columbine". Like/hate Micheal Moore, at least he did the fine service of taking every STUPID idea about the cause of mass killings and ran sanity tests against them -- they all failed.

If violence in media was the cause of mass killings, then societies like South Korea and Japan, which have much higher levels of violent media should have the same problem... but they don't.

Next idiot idea?


The flipside to that is the gun-fetishists' argument that more guns = safer people. If that were the case, since the US has the highest number of guns per capita, we would have the lowest instances of violent crime on Earth.
2012-12-26 01:47:48 PM  
1 votes:
As advertisers have learned over the years, Americans -- along with the majority of the human race -- are gullible. The old 'Monkey see, monkey do' condition most certainly applies, especially among those under 30.

Nearly as far back as recorded history goes, we've noticed that governments have to tell their citizens who to hate and millions have died because one leader was pi$$ed off at another
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Born in the 50's, I was raised on a generation of Cowboys and Indians and WW2 movies. All of us boys had toy guns, BB guns and, later, air guns (BB and pellet guns fired by compressed air or CO2 cartridges). Discrimination was firmly in place and the 'N' word was tossed around commonly. Items shipped from Japan usually had 'Stolen from Japan' stamped on their bottoms.

TV had only 3 channels and was highly censored so we spent a lot of time in the various movie theaters, where we learned to hate the Nazi's, the Japanese and came to the conclusion that the US Military was the best in the world, showing compassion as well as thoroughly stomping out the enemy. (After all, <b>WE</b> won the war for the allies. So said our media and Hollywood.)

It's a proved fact -- proven time and time again -- that what we see on TV, the Movies and the Internet can influence us. Look how fast that stupid 'gangsta' way of holding a gun sideways caught on. Then those belt less, baggy, knee pants took off, along with the 'prison dress'. People got killed over those big, ugly, expensive sneakers when they came out.

Smack in the middle of the worse gas crisis ever, which shook our economic foundation, the car makers introduced the gas guzzling SUV and folks ran out and bought them.

The internet introduced us to SPAM, viruses and stealing our information. It didn't take long before school kids were writing and releasing viruses just because they could and thought it fun. When several Radical sites showed you how to make pipe bombs, -- and kids promptly did so, along with adults.

When the ACLU and Lawyers started going nuts over everyone's 'rights' -- kids picked up on it and were soon getting their authority figures tossed in jail, stripping their parents of control and calling the cops if Mom or Dad slapped them.

The media made it appear that sex offenders were behind every bush and dirt clod in the land. Suddenly, 6 out of 10 kids had been molested -- even though, in some cases, the term molestation was highly exaggerated. Congress passed poorly thought out laws -- meaning you can be classified as a sex offender for nearly any action -- like being drunk and taking a leak in the parking lot. 6 year olds can be expelled from school as sex offenders.
The media disclosed how lawyers could sue anyone for any reason and you could make big bucks -- and the rate of lawsuits exploded so much that it actually hurt our way of doing business and even our lifestyles.

TV produced 'reality shows' where folks found ways to make money off the misery of others and suddenly, everyone is a house flipper, a storage bidder, junk yard raider or 'picker'. Oddities showed folks are willing to pay a couple of hundred bucks for that chunk of Great-uncle Jacks infected intestine he kept in a jar and you inherited.

TV showed us how to avoid police radar, how to question the radar gun operators skills, how to sue a store or business over almost everything and how to capitalize on the poor.

The Internet shows you how to make weapons at home from common goods and how to convert semi-automatics into full auto. You can buy assorted rounds for guns designed to explode, to release scores of razor sharp bits of steel and be incendiary. Some shotgun shells hold tiny ball and chain shot, designed to rip the target up.
TV showed us how to make grenades out of clay pots and gunpowder and even how to make gunpowder.

Plus, since the 1979's we have been treated to real images of various battles around the world, with millions laying in pools of real blood, dead or dying. We've suddenly seen various religions become corrupted and blood thirsty. We play realistic video games where we can slaughter friend and foe alike and those where we can become criminals and fight the law.

We see the aftermath of disasters in real time, watch the dead wash up on shores, see people being killed and others being brutalized. We can easily find a dozen rather nasty ways to kill someone and we've watched the bad guys get riddled with bullets on scores of TV shows and movies.

We get to learn about the real horrors going on in prisons and even get to see interviews with cold blooded killers. Reality TV has shown us how to make jailhouse weapons and even how to dispose of them. It also informed us that most prison guards are unarmed, unlike when I was growing up.

Does that desensitize us?

You f**king better believe it.

Decades ago, a little girl, dying of cancer, wrote a book and it became a huge sensation. Since then, other kids dying of cancer have written books and no one cares anymore. Actually, we've found that nearly everything causes cancer so those affected with it -- being so very many -- no longer elicit the sympathy of 30 years back. Plus we've discovered there's big money to be made in treating cancer and that assorted institutions will exaggerate and lie about their cure rate to get our business.

Before the massive homeless explosion in the 70's, if you fell over in the street, folks cared and stopped to help. Now, it happens so often that folks just keep on walking. We've recordings of folks watching someone get hit by a car and just walking off and traffic doesn't even stop, it just slows to avoid the bloody body.

We've had to create laws forcing people to help.

So, if you think the media doesn't influence people, you must have been hiding under a rock for decades.
2012-12-26 12:50:38 PM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: So, based upon population figures alone, we should have about (315/5) = 63 times more mass shootings in a given time period than Norway.


In what given time period?

Sixteen US Mass Shootings Happened in 2012, Leaving at Least 88 Dead
2012-12-26 11:43:00 AM  
1 votes:

letrole: But in nearly all cases, this lack of personal restraint comes from the breakdown of society.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin, "sin" is an abstract concept inveted by power-hungry psychos as a means of controlling others. Besides, control of one's own life is the ultimate human right, so fark you and your control freak bullshiat.
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified, Our country was founded on public disobedience and defiance against authority (most modern countries were). Of course we glorify it...it's how shiat gets done.
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit, I think you mean "awarded" here. Regardless, how should we define "merit"? Honey Boo Boo is famous and provides entertainment. Is she less deserving of her fame than Keanau Reeves? Megan Fox? Nicholas Cage? If so, why?
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute, Right and Wrong have never been absolute in the history of the human race. Murder, rape, slavery, reality television...anything and everything that is "wrong" has not always been considered so.
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful, You sound....Victorian. "What is different must be shamed!"
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue, The only groups that I've ever seen hold that as a virtue have been the very same groups that whould whole-heartedly agree with your other 5 points. Funny how that works.

2012-12-26 11:33:02 AM  
1 votes:

letrole: Spree shootings are caused by a lack of personal restraint. In some cases, such as Charles Whitman, the fellow was suffering from madness with an organic cause ie a brain tumour. He left diaries and letters that showed jumbled and irrational thoughts.

But in nearly all cases, this lack of personal restraint comes from the breakdown of society.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses


Since the "path", as dozens of posters have shown, is LESS crime and violence over the past ~20 years, I say, let's keep on that path!
2012-12-26 11:29:11 AM  
1 votes:
The problem isn't that that there are too many depictions of fake violence on our airwaves and in our theaters. The problem is that there are too few depictions of actual violence.

Would we have had the same sort of unrelenting, take-no-prisoners in the search for truth reporting of the Vietnam war that demonstrated daily to Mr. and Mrs. America what the consequences of foreign policy decided by amoral men in suits in Washington was to our men in uniform during the Iraq war then that shiat would have ended with George W. Bush being dragged from the White House by an angry mob.

Fake violence isn't the problem. Pretending actual, real-world violence isn't consequential is the problem.
2012-12-26 11:16:37 AM  
1 votes:
Right, because Europe totally doesn't have the same movies, despite their far lower rates of gun homicides. Gun control doesn't work, I don't believe in the rest of the world, LALALALALALALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU HERRRRRRRRRRRRRRPPPPPPPPPPPPP
2012-12-26 11:16:34 AM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: ringersol: Other relatively free societies present some pretty straightforward and reasonable examples of how you can *mitigate* this sort of thing.

What, you mean like Norway?


Alright, that's not cool at all. That was the largest spilling of blood on Norwegian soil since WWII. Gun  violence there  is exceptionally rare, guns are not. Please quit using Anders Breivik for your quasi-political non-points. He never sought help, he hung out at  American far right wing blogs and idolized the likes of Rush  Limbaugh.

/I am a first generation American
//My family is Norwegian
2012-12-26 11:13:11 AM  
1 votes:

Bontesla: How far did the book go back into the children's history? What qualified as a request for help? That's kind of my point. We're expecting children to understand the nature of their feelings and articulate this very complicated experience to someone else?


Uh, part of the problem is that school administrators and teachers don't help these kids, and actively discourage them from going to authority figures because of bullying. It builds character in their minds, and teaches them how to handle these situations, you see!
2012-12-26 10:50:19 AM  
1 votes:

cryinoutloud: I'm not looking for a farking scapegoat. But keep right on with the reflexive dismissal.


And then later in the same post, in response to BronyMedic pointing out that there are studies examining the very thing you claim that there aren't any studies examining:

cryinoutloud: And how many of those kids were exposed to fake violence in some form, and it may have affected their way of dealing with their poor hand in life? We don't know


You just dismiss it out of hand and go back to ranting about violent media. You are interested in a scapegoat, not the truth. It couldn't be any more blatantly obvious.
2012-12-26 10:43:12 AM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: What has changed in society since 1992? We've got more guns than ever before, and media is more realistically violent than ever before.


Everyone has a theory. I tend to think that the general increase in employment and quality of life was a big part of it. We live in a time and place where even if you're flat broke, you most likely have access to food, clean water and some kind of basic health care. I realize that being poor sucks a LOT (believe me), but if you need some perspective on how bad the disparity between rich and poor can get, wander around the road around the Mumbai airport for two hours and get back to me.

It's just harder to get murderin' angry when you have a roof over your head, clean water, some bagels and an Xbox.
2012-12-26 10:41:35 AM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: People have been blaming video games since ET. Strangely enough, as games have gotten more realistic, violence has gone down.


To be fair, the ET video game causing violence would be understandable.
2012-12-26 10:34:58 AM  
1 votes:
The US is a violent culture and has always been. Violence is glorified in music, movies, video games, politics, sports.

All of that is a reflection, not cause of the attitudes towards violence.

Banning or restricting violent media is as stupid as banning or restricting guns.

There needs to be a culture shift, not government action.
2012-12-26 10:30:28 AM  
1 votes:

dittybopper: Holocaust Agnostic: dittybopper: Holocaust Agnostic: Yes, witnessing on average 80000 killings before you hiiit middle school probably has no effect on anyone subs.

Apparently, it doesn't, or if it does have *SOME* effect, it's the opposite you think:

Because absolutely nothing else has changed in society since1700.

[www.justfactsdaily.com image 850x613]

What has changed in society since 1992?  We've got more guns than ever before, and media is more realistically violent than ever before.


Internet porn.
2012-12-26 10:28:37 AM  
1 votes:
Sigh.

Rewatch "Bowling for Columbine". Like/hate Micheal Moore, at least he did the fine service of taking every STUPID idea about the cause of mass killings and ran sanity tests against them -- they all failed.

If violence in media was the cause of mass killings, then societies like South Korea and Japan, which have much higher levels of violent media should have the same problem... but they don't.

Next idiot idea?
2012-12-26 10:19:58 AM  
1 votes:

Bontesla: I think Stephen King actually argued our intake of simulated violence is healthy because it feeds the "alligators"


Or, to put it in plain english: it provides us with a safe outlet for otherwise destructive urges. IMO the same could be said for porn.

Violent games / movies / books = mental enemas.
2012-12-26 10:10:41 AM  
1 votes:

give me doughnuts: dittybopper: Holocaust Agnostic: Yes, witnessing on average 80000 killings before you hiiit middle school probably has no effect on anyone subs.

Apparently, it doesn't, or if it does have *SOME* effect, it's the opposite you think:

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It's not enough to know why it has fallen through the centuries, but we should also try and learn what caused the peaks.


A smart person would look at that and say: 1770s peak? Probably the Revolutionary War. 1860s peak? Civil War. 1920s/30s peak? Prohibition and Great Depression. 1990's peak? 1970s-1990s peak? War on Drugs.

Pretty simple to figure out that wars that pit neighbor against neighbor (like the Revolution and Civil wars) might result in homicides outside of the normal course of war, and that prohibitions on alcohol and drugs, combined with economic downturns, might also result in peaks.

It's not brain science or rocket surgery.
2012-12-26 10:00:23 AM  
1 votes:

Holocaust Agnostic: What point did he make


Ooh, was that a simple spelling mistake or the accidental reveal of a sockpuppet?

Anyhoo, the point I was making was that we can compare cultures before and after they were exposed to violent media. There's no percievable increase in violence. The generation of kids who grew up after video games aren't any more violent than the kids who grew up beforehand (they're less violent, actually).
2012-12-26 09:59:20 AM  
1 votes:

Holocaust Agnostic: Yes, witnessing on average 80000 killings before you hiiit middle school probably has no effect on anyone subs.


Apparently, it doesn't, or if it does have *SOME* effect, it's the opposite you think:

marginalrevolution.com
2012-12-26 09:50:03 AM  
1 votes:
"Our excessively violent culture and its impact on movies." How about that for an article?
2012-12-26 09:47:53 AM  
1 votes:

cryinoutloud: It might make a difference, especially with all those hyper-realistic VIDEO GAMES that we have now.


Hyper-Realistic Video Games? So they're putting on MILES Gear and firing simunition at eachother?

What, they're not?

cryinoutloud:  Has anyone done a comprehensive study, or any kind of study at all, about how these things might affect us as a society?

Yeah. They've done those studies. The ones that aren't horribly biased and poorly conducted have found no causation link between violence in television and video games, and street violence. What they have found correlation AND causation links to are poverty, bullying/abuse and lack of access to mental health services.
2012-12-26 09:45:45 AM  
1 votes:

Holocaust Agnostic: Because we still live exactly as hunter-gatherers did, noothng at all has changed EXCEPT for TV...


Are you responding seriously to a sarcastic quip at the end of a post so you can ignore everything else in it? Or are you dumb enough to think "Clearly hunter gatherers played too much GTA" was the meat of the argument?

Either way; wow.
2012-12-26 09:45:43 AM  
1 votes:
The author's point went down in flames when he decided to blame a single individual instead of talking about the culture as a whole.
2012-12-26 09:40:19 AM  
1 votes:
Because other countries don't have violent movies or video games...Even Michale Moore explored this in "Bowling for Columbine". This ain't it...

I am starting to think it is the culture of ultra-competitiveness. Everything in the U.S. is now judged...Your clothes, your school (your pre-schools, grammar, middle, high school, college, post-grad), your home/apartment/other, your car, where you work, your rank in the org, etc...

Now before I get jumped on, I am not an "everybody gets a trophy" type. I have to say, though, that the more socialist countries that focus more on overall quality of life rather than individual bank accounts seem to have less of this.

This is only a working theory...
2012-12-26 09:38:44 AM  
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dofus: Murder and mayhem will never take a holiday but it seems reasonable to me that if kids weren't fed a constant diet of it in movies, TV and video games from the time they're able to walk, they might be a little less willing to accept it as a viable option in an argument when they're adults.

And before some wag goes gaga over the 1st amendment, let's not forget the old 'yelling fire in a crowded theater' thing. There are limits to free speech.


Yeah. You can't make a speech inciting others to violence or riot. Other than that, everything else is fair game or considered a civil matter. Yelling fire in a crowded theatre is nothing comparable to a movie, as you are inciting people to riot.

Did you have a point here, or are you just trying to be a pants-pissing fascist who ignores the real problems with American culture and the mental health system to chide the television for the fact you're letting it raise your kids?
2012-12-26 09:37:52 AM  
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My entire family loves gruesome Tarantino movies,and our particular new favorite is The Raid: Redemption. We are not at all violent people, and the person who likes those movies most is a woman who won't even fire a gun without running away from it afterwards.

People are crazy first and will latch onto whatever to propel their sick fantasies.
2012-12-26 09:34:40 AM  
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It makes as much sense to blame Tarantino for mass killings as it does to blame AR-15s for mass killings.
2012-12-26 09:33:44 AM  
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Real Women Drink Akvavit: Good thing we don't all live in medieval Europe. We'd all be serial killers.

/writers is a sniveling wuss


Actually, before we could visually fictionalize our violence, people did some really, really gruesome shiat to amuse themselves.

The Roman games are a perfect example. Killing all manner of beast and finding ways to kill criminals that makes a sword to the gut sound appealing.

Not to mention the plethora of medieval torture devices and techniques.

I'd argue that TV has saved more lives than it has cost.
2012-12-26 09:25:50 AM  
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We really should go back before 1867 when movies were first created... Nobody ever got killed, and there were no wars.

/a kinder, gentler time.
2012-12-26 09:25:08 AM  
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NRA / "Conservative" slogan
Guns don't kill people. Movies and video games kill people
2012-12-26 09:24:18 AM  
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Good thing we don't all live in medieval Europe. We'd all be serial killers.

/writers is a sniveling wuss
 
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