cryinoutloud: It might make a difference, especially with all those hyper-realistic VIDEO GAMES that we have now. Yes, I said it. How do we know? Has anyone done a comprehensive study, or any kind of study at all, about how these things might affect us as a society? No, of course not, and we never will.
runaway06: NRA / "Conservative" sloganGuns don't kill people. Movies and video games kill people
dittybopper: What, you mean like Norway?
Charles Martel: It makes as much sense to blame Tarantino for mass killings as it does to blame AR-15s for mass killings.
dofus: Murder and mayhem will never take a holiday but it seems reasonable to me that if kids weren't fed a constant diet of it in movies, TV and video games from the time they're able to walk, they might be a little less willing to accept it as a viable option in an argument when they're adults.And before some wag goes gaga over the 1st amendment, let's not forget the old 'yelling fire in a crowded theater' thing. There are limits to free speech.
runaway06: Movies and video games kill people
austerity101: Even if you take out all of the shootings that you have decided don't count, Norway still has far fewer mass shootings after calculating for population differences. How do you explain that?
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dittybopper: austerity101: dittybopper: I pointed out that mass shootings do happen in countries that have much stricter laws than the US. Norway was the first one I picked, largely because when you look at casualty count, it's worse than any shooting in the United States, by more than *DOUBLE*.This was countered by saying rampages in Norway are much more rare, which I pointed out that they should be: Norway is *MUCH* smaller than the US, so they should have fewer rampage shootings.That's *ALL* I was saying.And you'll find that the rates of gun violence and mass shootings are lower per capita, making population differences moot.Gun violence, yes.Mass shootings: That hasn't necessarily been shown to be true.
whatshisname: Teufelaffe: Why, it's almost as if people who have no knowledge whatsoever about psychology or sociology are the ones who scream the loudest that sex & violence in media is the cause of sex & violence in real life.What, like child psychologists and psychiatrists and their professional organizations, which pretty much universally agree that violent media has an effect on people?
OhioKnight: Sigh.Rewatch "Bowling for Columbine". Like/hate Micheal Moore, at least he did the fine service of taking every STUPID idea about the cause of mass killings and ran sanity tests against them -- they all failed.If violence in media was the cause of mass killings, then societies like South Korea and Japan, which have much higher levels of violent media should have the same problem... but they don't.Next idiot idea?
dittybopper: So, based upon population figures alone, we should have about (315/5) = 63 times more mass shootings in a given time period than Norway.
letrole: But in nearly all cases, this lack of personal restraint comes from the breakdown of society.1. If suicide is no longer a sin, "sin" is an abstract concept inveted by power-hungry psychos as a means of controlling others. Besides, control of one's own life is the ultimate human right, so fark you and your control freak bullshiat.2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified, Our country was founded on public disobedience and defiance against authority (most modern countries were). Of course we glorify it...it's how shiat gets done.3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit, I think you mean "awarded" here. Regardless, how should we define "merit"? Honey Boo Boo is famous and provides entertainment. Is she less deserving of her fame than Keanau Reeves? Megan Fox? Nicholas Cage? If so, why?4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute, Right and Wrong have never been absolute in the history of the human race. Murder, rape, slavery, reality television...anything and everything that is "wrong" has not always been considered so.5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful, You sound....Victorian. "What is different must be shamed!"6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue, The only groups that I've ever seen hold that as a virtue have been the very same groups that whould whole-heartedly agree with your other 5 points. Funny how that works.
letrole: Spree shootings are caused by a lack of personal restraint. In some cases, such as Charles Whitman, the fellow was suffering from madness with an organic cause ie a brain tumour. He left diaries and letters that showed jumbled and irrational thoughts.But in nearly all cases, this lack of personal restraint comes from the breakdown of society.1. If suicide is no longer a sin,2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses
dittybopper: ringersol: Other relatively free societies present some pretty straightforward and reasonable examples of how you can *mitigate* this sort of thing.What, you mean like Norway?
Bontesla: How far did the book go back into the children's history? What qualified as a request for help? That's kind of my point. We're expecting children to understand the nature of their feelings and articulate this very complicated experience to someone else?
cryinoutloud: I'm not looking for a farking scapegoat. But keep right on with the reflexive dismissal.
cryinoutloud: And how many of those kids were exposed to fake violence in some form, and it may have affected their way of dealing with their poor hand in life? We don't know
dittybopper: What has changed in society since 1992? We've got more guns than ever before, and media is more realistically violent than ever before.
BronyMedic: People have been blaming video games since ET. Strangely enough, as games have gotten more realistic, violence has gone down.
dittybopper: Holocaust Agnostic: dittybopper: Holocaust Agnostic: Yes, witnessing on average 80000 killings before you hiiit middle school probably has no effect on anyone subs.Apparently, it doesn't, or if it does have *SOME* effect, it's the opposite you think:Because absolutely nothing else has changed in society since1700.[www.justfactsdaily.com image 850x613]What has changed in society since 1992? We've got more guns than ever before, and media is more realistically violent than ever before.
Bontesla: I think Stephen King actually argued our intake of simulated violence is healthy because it feeds the "alligators"
give me doughnuts: dittybopper: Holocaust Agnostic: Yes, witnessing on average 80000 killings before you hiiit middle school probably has no effect on anyone subs.Apparently, it doesn't, or if it does have *SOME* effect, it's the opposite you think:[marginalrevolution.com image 850x582]It's not enough to know why it has fallen through the centuries, but we should also try and learn what caused the peaks.
Holocaust Agnostic: What point did he make
Holocaust Agnostic: Yes, witnessing on average 80000 killings before you hiiit middle school probably has no effect on anyone subs.
cryinoutloud: It might make a difference, especially with all those hyper-realistic VIDEO GAMES that we have now.
Holocaust Agnostic: Because we still live exactly as hunter-gatherers did, noothng at all has changed EXCEPT for TV...
Real Women Drink Akvavit: Good thing we don't all live in medieval Europe. We'd all be serial killers./writers is a sniveling wuss
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