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2012-12-26 10:45:32 AM
All of the time spent on television and in the political arena on the subject of violent video games, music, television, and art, is time not spent talking about addressing the actual issues. This is really the only purpose of such discussion. It is a massive troll intended to derail productive discussion. In much the same way that this thread is now about ponies.
s.funnymama.com
 
2012-12-26 10:45:43 AM

BronyMedic: People have been blaming video games since ET.


To be fair, E.T. did incite violence. I remember flinging that bastard cartridge across the room and accidently hitting my brother with it.

HOW THE FARK DO YOU GET OUT OF THE GODDAMN PIT?????
 
2012-12-26 10:45:54 AM
Spree shootings are caused by a lack of personal restraint. In some cases, such as Charles Whitman, the fellow was suffering from madness with an organic cause ie a brain tumour. He left diaries and letters that showed jumbled and irrational thoughts.

But in nearly all cases, this lack of personal restraint comes from the breakdown of society.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses
 
2012-12-26 10:46:41 AM
1) Entertainment culture of violence
2) Psychotropic drugs
3) ???
4) Movie rights
 
2012-12-26 10:46:45 AM

fireclown: dittybopper: What has changed in society since 1992? We've got more guns than ever before, and media is more realistically violent than ever before.

Everyone has a theory. I tend to think that the general increase in employment and quality of life was a big part of it. We live in a time and place where even if you're flat broke, you most likely have access to food, clean water and some kind of basic health care. I realize that being poor sucks a LOT (believe me), but if you need some perspective on how bad the disparity between rich and poor can get, wander around the road around the Mumbai airport for two hours and get back to me.

It's just harder to get murderin' angry when you have a roof over your head, clean water, some bagels and an Xbox.


It's also hard to actually murder people when you are a 400 lb blob of fat. The poor in the US are disproportionately obese.

/200 lb blob of fat.
 
2012-12-26 10:46:49 AM

thecpt: Bontesla: thecpt: Bontesla: For example - better access to cost-effective mental health services for young adults. We, as a society, are fully responsible for the treatment of our most vulnerable.

You can say that, and I know averting one tragedy could be worth the costs, but I'm not sure these are the people who would voluntarily seek help.

I think you'd be surprised at how many times they reach out. It isn't always so obvious. And if they're not reaching out to the right people or the response isn't helpful then they reach out less and less. The problem with our system is that we expect young people, still developing, to identify problems within themselves and then articulate that to the right people.

You've got children who are angry or feel excluded from their peers who are supposed to recognize what healthy anger is or to understand how to cope with feelings of exclusion when they may only be able to articulate that they feel bad or angry.

There are also circumstances in which adults also unintentionally create problems. Call on social outcasts during class and the entire back of the room erupts in snickers.

I know generally speaking of what your talking about. Making mental health care available and discrete for those who are struggling, and increasing education so children can better identify if they need it. I'm saying the ones who do the acts that cause thousands of ignorant and objective articles like this one aren't the ones who would seek services. A lot of threads keep saying mental health, and yes the criminals are absolutely batshiat bonkers, but I haven't seen a convincing/practical approach to finding and helping the ones that want to stay on the fringes and kill for glory. I just don't see how you could test a person's mental health without infringing on their freedom.

Testing those who buy firearms is another story. Do that and make them pay for it. I don't care. Won't stop these acts, but it will help.


What makes you think that they didn't seek help?

I'd argue that there's a history of these people seeking help. We're not talking about well adjusted folks waking up one day and deciding to slaughter a school or movie theater. If those kids didn't have a singular goal of generating a massacre since birth then I'd argue that they likely sought help and didn't get it (at least in any continued capacity).
 
2012-12-26 10:47:18 AM

Wasilla Hillbilly: BronyMedic: People have been blaming video games since ET. Strangely enough, as games have gotten more realistic, violence has gone down.

To be fair, the ET video game causing violence would be understandable.


That had to have been the worst game ever made.  To this day I still don't know what you were supposed to do.
 
2012-12-26 10:49:41 AM

give me doughnuts: littlett's: give me doughnuts: dominatixes (is that how you pluralize "dominatrix"?).

dominatrices?

I don't know.

According to "Yahoo Answers": dominatrixes, dominatrices. But dominatrix, like fish, can be used as the plural form

[The More You Know.gif]


I'd have said dominatri
 
2012-12-26 10:50:03 AM

littlett's: Wasilla Hillbilly: BronyMedic: People have been blaming video games since ET. Strangely enough, as games have gotten more realistic, violence has gone down.

To be fair, the ET video game causing violence would be understandable.

That had to have been the worst game ever made.  To this day I still don't know what you were supposed to do.


You were supposed to bury it in the ground.
 
2012-12-26 10:50:12 AM

dittybopper: Holocaust Agnostic: dittybopper: Holocaust Agnostic: Yes, witnessing on average 80000 killings before you hiiit middle school probably has no effect on anyone subs.

Apparently, it doesn't, or if it does have *SOME* effect, it's the opposite you think:

Because absolutely nothing else has changed in society since1700.

[www.justfactsdaily.com image 850x613]

What has changed in society since 1992?  We've got more guns than ever before, and media is more realistically violent than ever before.


You should see Freakonomics. Basically Roe v. Wade. Less unwanted children = lower crime rates when they hit young adulthood.
 
2012-12-26 10:50:19 AM

cryinoutloud: I'm not looking for a farking scapegoat. But keep right on with the reflexive dismissal.


And then later in the same post, in response to BronyMedic pointing out that there are studies examining the very thing you claim that there aren't any studies examining:

cryinoutloud: And how many of those kids were exposed to fake violence in some form, and it may have affected their way of dealing with their poor hand in life? We don't know


You just dismiss it out of hand and go back to ranting about violent media. You are interested in a scapegoat, not the truth. It couldn't be any more blatantly obvious.
 
2012-12-26 10:50:45 AM
Does advertising have any effect? Obviously, because people pay millions for a short ad that will be watched by many. Never mind the apparent results of an effective campaign.

Now how is a tv show or a movie not a long ad for whatever the show is about?

Would Magnum pistols be popular if it weren't for Dirty Harry?
Would we have a different society if the movie Grapes of Wrath or the movies about chain gangs were never made?
Did the glorification of gangsters with movies like Bonnie and Clyde or Scarface have any influence?
Would break dancing be anything if it weren't for a movie?

To deny that movies and anything else that exposes people to something they don't already experience won't have any effect is ridiculous. The effects on society of popular movies or advertising is well known.

No, you're not going to brainwash anyone, but you can influence their thoughts and behaviors.
 
2012-12-26 10:51:22 AM

dittybopper: It's also hard to actually murder people when you are a 400 lb blob of fat. The poor in the US are disproportionately obese.


I'll chalk that up as a weird effect of prosperity. I forget the name of the place, but there is a diner in DC that is run by a family of African immigrants. The place is kind of a fixture. I remember reading a newspaper interview where the owner said that he decided to move to the US because he wanted to live somewhere where poor people were fat.
 
2012-12-26 10:51:46 AM

Bontesla: What makes you think that they didn't seek help?

Why Kids Kill

mentioned how they actively didn't seek help. It's a book that looked extensively into a lot of shooter's personalities (including Columbine shooters and other tragedies) to find any patterns in what makes someone a crazed killer. Came out shortly after the V-tech shooter so it wasn't dated.
 
2012-12-26 10:51:52 AM

littlett's: Wasilla Hillbilly: BronyMedic: People have been blaming video games since ET. Strangely enough, as games have gotten more realistic, violence has gone down.

To be fair, the ET video game causing violence would be understandable.

That had to have been the worst game ever made.  To this day I still don't know what you were supposed to do.


The Raiders of the Lost Ark game failed to live up to its potential, as well. At least the graphics were awesome.
 
2012-12-26 10:53:15 AM

tothekor: You were supposed to bury it in the ground.


Wasn't the urban legend that most of them wound up in a land fill before they were sold?
 
2012-12-26 10:55:24 AM

Holocaust Agnostic: Are you accusing me of being your sock puppet? Well I head I can't deny it. We might be crazy like that.


OK, I'm gonna stop making jokes. Either I'm too dumb today to make it clear when I'm not being serious, or you're too dumb to get them. Or possibly you did actually get it, that was a sarcastic comeback and I'm too dumb to see it.

My head hurts.
 
2012-12-26 10:56:12 AM
dittybopper: "The NRA can't just say "Hey, it's not the guns!", and just leave it at that, because then we will hit the truth of the matter: There really isn't that much we can do to stop this sort of thing, especially in a relatively free society."

Other relatively free societies present some pretty straightforward and reasonable examples of how you can *mitigate* this sort of thing. "Stopping" is an absurd bar. One doesn't throw their hands up and say "whelp, we can't *stop* fatal car accidents, so fark this crumple-zone, seatbelt and airbag nonsense." That we take steps to mitigate social ills inherent in the failings of mortal man is the mark of civilized society.

We can require the same background checks at gun shows that we do at gun stores. (A stupid loophole to leave open so long. Background checks aren't perfect, but they *do* work and it's stupid to further disadvantage brick & mortar stores.) And we can concede there really *is* no good damn reason for 30 and 100 round magazines for semi-automatic rifles that any tom, dick or harry can own.

Because no sportsman gives two shiats about magazines you can't actually fill and empty at the range or gun club without getting your crazy ass kicked out. The only time that shiat's appropriate is at something like a full-auto shoot; where, as the name implies, the tighter controls and special nature of the event enable people to enjoy those weapons in a responsible way.

So, yeah, there isn't much we can do to *stop* it. But there ain't much we can do to *stop* any number of horrible things -- death, taxes, bubble-gum pop, fan-fic, network sitcoms.
It's still right to mitigate the carnage if and where we can.
 
2012-12-26 10:56:24 AM

way south: dittybopper: Perhaps realistic violent media actually has some sort of cathartic effect instead. I'm not married to the idea, but it certainly fits the data better.

...Or perhaps the number of children staying home VS getting involved with gangs or other bad influences is also helping to lower the murder rate. One of the reason many parents loved Nintendo was that it kept kids away from arcades and the dangers of traveling to them.

If you were one of the millions who stayed out of the water after seeing Jaws, I don't think you'll dispute the fact that media greatly affects how we think. The written word drove our founders to revolution and a well written speech drove nations to commit genocide.
Games can be an equally bad influence to the wrong crowd.

I don't think we should blame them over poor parenting, but people must understand that adult content is not suitable for children. We have to voluntarily censor what kids see before some bureaucratic asshat with a stack of graphs argues that the government should do it for us.

/Because when they are done with the disarmament they'll need something else to blame.
/If they don't find the evidence, they'll cook it up.


I happen to think that the more outlandish and over the top and unbelievable the violence is, the more likely it is that somebody who finds themselves thinking "that's a really nice car, I should steal it and bring it back to my garage", realizes that they are still stuck in the thought patterns of Grand Theft Auto.

/I certainly remember having *weird* responses to stimuli after especially long sessions with GTA3 or Castle Wolfenstein
//Maybe it reinforces your ability to think clearly about consequences? Think of some completely apeshiat thing to do, realize *instantly* that it's a terrible idea. Years later, think of some not so apeshiat thing to do, realize it's also probably not a good idea.
 
2012-12-26 10:56:42 AM
Hmmm, no one gave a shiat about Martial Arts until a Bruce Lee movie came out. Then we had a Kung-Fu tv show and then before you knew it "Everybody was Kung-Fu fightin' Yeah".

/never mind the fights all the kids were getting into during the Frazier-Ali matches.
 
2012-12-26 10:59:02 AM

BigBooper: As I said in an earlier thread, we need to have another census, but in this version, people report on the behavior of their neighbors. Anyone who fits the profile of a potential mass murder,serial killer, pedophile, etc. etc. or black, should be rounded up and put into camps; we'll call them Freedom Schools. Now I know what your thinking, but no, these would not be prisons or concentration camps. They would be places where these potentially dangerous people would be given the help and care that they need to reintegrate with society. Once it was proven that they were not and would never become violent, they would be released. But this time they would be joining our communities with knowledge and skills they learned in Freedom School. Sure they would be watched closely, the jobs they would be allowed to take would be limited, where they could live would be tightly controlled, and they will have been sterilized, but they will be free to live full and complete lives! And our society will flourish! Imagine the freedom of living without violence or fear, or basic human rights!

And those who can't prove that they will never be violent or have rich parents or relatives who can buy their way out of Freedom School will be allowed to work for the betterment of society, as miners, and ditch diggers and the like. Now don't worry, each of them would be fitted with tracking and explosive collars to keep them in check.

Always remember: Trust and love your government, we know best.

/peace and order through obedience!
//obedience is freedom, dissent is chaos!


I see what you did there!
 
2012-12-26 11:00:52 AM
My favorite Death:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-26 11:01:00 AM
I see the Fark scholars are out in force.

/Bunch of dumb asses
 
2012-12-26 11:01:01 AM

Skarekrough: Pants full of macaroni!!: No no no. SEX is bad. Violence is WHOLESOME.

...and rough sex is another $50 on top of whatever it is you're paying her to begin with.


Can I get her phone number?

/It's for a friend.
//I don't have to pay for mine.
///NTTAWWT.
 
2012-12-26 11:01:12 AM

littlett's: Wasilla Hillbilly: BronyMedic: People have been blaming video games since ET. Strangely enough, as games have gotten more realistic, violence has gone down.

To be fair, the ET video game causing violence would be understandable.

That had to have been the worst game ever made.  To this day I still don't know what you were supposed to do.


I broke a controller in frustration over Maniac Mansion. After I replaced it, I broke the new one, playing the same game, a couple weeks later. I finally just quit playing  the game. I don't even remember  what part of the game upset me so. I'll stick to the first person shooters and fighting games. At least then I know what I am supposed to do and how to do it and don't throw massive temper tantrums resulting in broken hardware.

/Samurai Showdown queen of the house and neighborhood for many years!
 
2012-12-26 11:01:54 AM

thecpt: Bontesla: What makes you think that they didn't seek help?

Why Kids Kill mentioned how they actively didn't seek help. It's a book that looked extensively into a lot of shooter's personalities (including Columbine shooters and other tragedies) to find any patterns in what makes someone a crazed killer. Came out shortly after the V-tech shooter so it wasn't dated.


How far did the book go back into the children's history? What qualified as a request for help? That's kind of my point. We're expecting children to understand the nature of their feelings and articulate this very complicated experience to someone else?

It's like children who feign illness to avoid school because they're being picked on. There's a history of that often prior to a student committing suicide and often the parents will say, "they told me they weren't happy. I just didn't understand. I thought it was kids being kids."

Feelings of isolation and exclusion can start before those children even have the language skills to say they feel excluded from their peers. And if their parents dismiss feelings as unimportant or as a natural state of development then that may be the last time they reach out.
 
2012-12-26 11:02:33 AM

ringersol: Other relatively free societies present some pretty straightforward and reasonable examples of how you can *mitigate* this sort of thing.


What, you mean like Norway?
 
2012-12-26 11:06:12 AM

dittybopper: What, you mean like Norway?


You mean one attack in decades versus 61 in the United States since 1982? Gosh, you're right. That one event by a paranoid, racist man who used an illegal weapon to carry out the opening shots of what he thought would be a revolution in his crazed mind invalidates every point about their culture and approach to mental health and altruism being valid.
 
2012-12-26 11:08:40 AM
planetivy.com
Just look at the happy, benevolent face. What could go wrong?

www.vancouversun.com
Oh...God...what have we done?
 
2012-12-26 11:10:26 AM
Wonder which Tarantino flick Andrew Kehoe watched before he decided to blow up the Bath, Michigan school in 1927?

You want some real violence 'n killin'? How 'bout the Crusades... Pretty sure those guys didn't watch "Reservoir Dogs".

People have been murdering and torturing each other since man first stood upright. If someone's psycho enough to whack a bunch of people, they're going to do it regardless.
 
2012-12-26 11:10:52 AM

belhade: My favorite Death:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 179x256]


Mine, too! I have this:
i.ebayimg.com

She's on my bookshelves hanging out with Frazetta's Death Dealer, among other things.
/thought they'd make a cute couple
 
2012-12-26 11:13:09 AM

Vertdang: runaway06: NRA / "Conservative" slogan
Guns don't kill people. Movies and video games kill people

[art.penny-arcade.com image 800x401]
/appropriate, yet again.


I hate to tell you "we are allowed to say anything we want, the founders said so" types...but that wasnt the intent. The freedom of speech was meant in a mainly political sense, to allow the citizens to be able to publicly speak against the government without worry of reprisal.

It was not meant as free run to spill whatever crap comes to your mind out of your mouth. it was not meant to spill hate like Westboro, or too bully teenage girls until they commit suicide.

So...how bout you leave our amendment alone and we will leave yours alone...
 
2012-12-26 11:13:11 AM

Bontesla: How far did the book go back into the children's history? What qualified as a request for help? That's kind of my point. We're expecting children to understand the nature of their feelings and articulate this very complicated experience to someone else?


Uh, part of the problem is that school administrators and teachers don't help these kids, and actively discourage them from going to authority figures because of bullying. It builds character in their minds, and teaches them how to handle these situations, you see!
 
2012-12-26 11:13:27 AM
Yeah, well go ask Muslims, for instance, all about the great utopia Scandinavia has to offer. I caught a documentary once. I'll wait til you get back.
 
2012-12-26 11:14:09 AM
I'm not saying that violent movies/games inspire violent behavior but I think it would be worth investigating why our culture tolerates violence in entertainment to a greater degree than sexuality. Football is arguably a violent sport and that's okay for kids to watch but god damn it if a signer exposes a breast during the halftime show then people are made to testify gravel in front of a congressional panel.
 
2012-12-26 11:16:34 AM

dittybopper: ringersol: Other relatively free societies present some pretty straightforward and reasonable examples of how you can *mitigate* this sort of thing.

What, you mean like Norway?


Alright, that's not cool at all. That was the largest spilling of blood on Norwegian soil since WWII. Gun  violence there  is exceptionally rare, guns are not. Please quit using Anders Breivik for your quasi-political non-points. He never sought help, he hung out at  American far right wing blogs and idolized the likes of Rush  Limbaugh.

/I am a first generation American
//My family is Norwegian
 
2012-12-26 11:16:37 AM
Right, because Europe totally doesn't have the same movies, despite their far lower rates of gun homicides. Gun control doesn't work, I don't believe in the rest of the world, LALALALALALALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU HERRRRRRRRRRRRRRPPPPPPPPPPPPP
 
2012-12-26 11:16:43 AM

DeathCipris: This is very easy.
Lack. Of. Personal. Accountability.

Plain and simple. No one EVER thinks it is his or her fault anymore. This is what happen when people are raised in an "everyone is a winner," special snowflake society. Their precious egos can't handle the fact they did something wrong, and in fact, fail at life. This is at the core of the problem and a lot of problems with society today. It isn't guns. It isn't the news. It isn't video games. It isn't movies. It is the self-entitled child that has had everything handed to him or her on a silver farking platter for his or her entire life that can't handle failure. So much so, when fail does come knocking (ohh and it will), people freak out and commit acts of rage/violence/what-have-you. Stop this snowflake society and I guarantee results...but that's not going to happen when the ex-flower children hippie parents have had their way for so long.


THIS! QFT
 
2012-12-26 11:18:02 AM

littlett's: Wasilla Hillbilly: BronyMedic: People have been blaming video games since ET. Strangely enough, as games have gotten more realistic, violence has gone down.

To be fair, the ET video game causing violence would be understandable.

That had to have been the worst game ever made.  To this day I still don't know what you were supposed to do.


Challenge Accepted!

img577.imageshack.us
/FWIW, ET the game was designed in less than 2 months at the behest of Atari, so that they could capitalize on the international popularity of ET (which came out Summer '82) before Christmas. The game was designed and built in a matter of weeks and tested in a matter of days.
//You're looking for phone parts, I think.
 
2012-12-26 11:18:27 AM

BronyMedic: Bontesla: How far did the book go back into the children's history? What qualified as a request for help? That's kind of my point. We're expecting children to understand the nature of their feelings and articulate this very complicated experience to someone else?

Uh, part of the problem is that school administrators and teachers don't help these kids, and actively discourage them from going to authority figures because of bullying. It builds character in their minds, and teaches them how to handle these situations, you see!


That's as true as the day is long, to both of you. My kids were harassed and bullied constantly at their old school. Lets just say it was a bad fit for our demographic. I pulled them out, and they are doing awesome at their new place, especially after what the adults did at the old school...
 
2012-12-26 11:18:51 AM
Anybody yet mention that the removal of lead from gasoline is probably responsible for a good part of the reduction in violent crime?
 
2012-12-26 11:18:58 AM

BronyMedic: Bontesla: How far did the book go back into the children's history? What qualified as a request for help? That's kind of my point. We're expecting children to understand the nature of their feelings and articulate this very complicated experience to someone else?

Uh, part of the problem is that school administrators and teachers don't help these kids, and actively discourage them from going to authority figures because of bullying. It builds character in their minds, and teaches them how to handle these situations, you see!


Well, that was part of my point. We need to do better about offering mental health services to those who seek health. Hell, we should teach general skills like coping mechanism, conflict resolution, and provide everyone with a list of qualified professionals at a young age.
 
2012-12-26 11:21:34 AM
Decades of research and hundreds of studies substantiate the negative effects of media violence on children, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation. The American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry also concludes that viewing media violence can produce distress, emotional anesthetization to violence, loss of empathy for victims and the view that violence is an acceptable means for dealing with problems.

Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/221675-the-influence-of-violent-medi a-on-children-adolescents/#ixzz2GAx9JFwF
 
2012-12-26 11:22:22 AM
Even young kids can tell the difference between fantasy and reality. If you can't that's not societies fault. That's your problem and you news to get help.
 
2012-12-26 11:24:11 AM

Bontesla: How far did the book go back into the children's history? What qualified as a request for help? That's kind of my point. We're expecting children to understand the nature of their feelings and articulate this very complicated experience to someone else?


What qualified was seeking help from their school administration or some kind of authority. They kept feelings secret from their parents and school friends. Most times they weren't even kids who were 'singled out" like typical stories of troubled youth. I don't expect children to understand their feelings at all. I'm saying that they usually blend so well and know what feelings to keep secret that conventional and present testing from the the government wouldn't work and would be seen as an infringement on freedom.

I really do completely agree with you on everything else. Maybe sometime parents aren't perceptive and experienced enough to realize that someone is in danger. My argument isn't about suicide (I'm a huge proponent of teen help and counseling for suicide prevention, especially because my friend is in a gay outreach program, aka one of the biggest causes of teen suicide). My argument is that the level of psychiatric assistance needed to catch the children and young adults who go on rampages is almost unfathomable and would most likely be seen as infringing on freedoms.
 
2012-12-26 11:26:39 AM

verbaltoxin: Again this is another "But the children!" article from a bunch of Mormons who'd ban coffee if they could.


And they think our society is screwed now?

I'd love to see someone try it, if only to marvel at the magnitude of the resulting category 5 shiatstorm!

/article is too stupid to insult
//gunning down people in video games is totally cathartic
///if my exposure to media influenced my behaviour, I'd start an anti-Cylon party
////four slashies, what
 
2012-12-26 11:26:42 AM
maxximillian

"I'm not saying that violent movies/games inspire violent behavior but I think it would be worth investigating why our culture tolerates violence in entertainment to a greater degree than sexuality. Football is arguably a violent sport and that's okay for kids to watch but god damn it if a signer exposes a breast during the halftime show then people are made to testify gravel in front of a congressional panel."

Fundie Christians... we have a lot of 'em. They seem to tolerate violence ok, but when it comes to the occasional titty:
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-26 11:29:09 AM

letrole: Spree shootings are caused by a lack of personal restraint. In some cases, such as Charles Whitman, the fellow was suffering from madness with an organic cause ie a brain tumour. He left diaries and letters that showed jumbled and irrational thoughts.

But in nearly all cases, this lack of personal restraint comes from the breakdown of society.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses


notthisshiatagain.jpg

Society is not collapsing, no matter how many times you post the same idiotic thing.

As for TFA, I'm always amused when someone tries to present "culture" and "movies" as if they're entirely separate things.
 
2012-12-26 11:29:11 AM
The problem isn't that that there are too many depictions of fake violence on our airwaves and in our theaters. The problem is that there are too few depictions of actual violence.

Would we have had the same sort of unrelenting, take-no-prisoners in the search for truth reporting of the Vietnam war that demonstrated daily to Mr. and Mrs. America what the consequences of foreign policy decided by amoral men in suits in Washington was to our men in uniform during the Iraq war then that shiat would have ended with George W. Bush being dragged from the White House by an angry mob.

Fake violence isn't the problem. Pretending actual, real-world violence isn't consequential is the problem.
 
2012-12-26 11:29:17 AM

mrlewish: Anybody yet mention that the removal of lead from gasoline is probably responsible for a good part of the reduction in violent crime?


Now you have me tripping over phthalates and all those other endocrine disrupters the government lets into our food stream. I'm thinking more and more that being guinea pigs for plastics and chemicals that didn't even exist when our parents were born just might have something to do with autism and depression rates shooting up. We retain enough of these chemicals to show up in lab tests.

I've heard people say black girls menstruate earlier than white girls because of chemicals that act as estrogen in the body. If we know that's happening, what else could be that we haven't discovered?
 
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