BronyMedic: People have been blaming video games since ET.
fireclown: dittybopper: What has changed in society since 1992? We've got more guns than ever before, and media is more realistically violent than ever before.Everyone has a theory. I tend to think that the general increase in employment and quality of life was a big part of it. We live in a time and place where even if you're flat broke, you most likely have access to food, clean water and some kind of basic health care. I realize that being poor sucks a LOT (believe me), but if you need some perspective on how bad the disparity between rich and poor can get, wander around the road around the Mumbai airport for two hours and get back to me.It's just harder to get murderin' angry when you have a roof over your head, clean water, some bagels and an Xbox.
thecpt: Bontesla: thecpt: Bontesla: For example - better access to cost-effective mental health services for young adults. We, as a society, are fully responsible for the treatment of our most vulnerable.You can say that, and I know averting one tragedy could be worth the costs, but I'm not sure these are the people who would voluntarily seek help.I think you'd be surprised at how many times they reach out. It isn't always so obvious. And if they're not reaching out to the right people or the response isn't helpful then they reach out less and less. The problem with our system is that we expect young people, still developing, to identify problems within themselves and then articulate that to the right people.You've got children who are angry or feel excluded from their peers who are supposed to recognize what healthy anger is or to understand how to cope with feelings of exclusion when they may only be able to articulate that they feel bad or angry.There are also circumstances in which adults also unintentionally create problems. Call on social outcasts during class and the entire back of the room erupts in snickers.I know generally speaking of what your talking about. Making mental health care available and discrete for those who are struggling, and increasing education so children can better identify if they need it. I'm saying the ones who do the acts that cause thousands of ignorant and objective articles like this one aren't the ones who would seek services. A lot of threads keep saying mental health, and yes the criminals are absolutely batshiat bonkers, but I haven't seen a convincing/practical approach to finding and helping the ones that want to stay on the fringes and kill for glory. I just don't see how you could test a person's mental health without infringing on their freedom.Testing those who buy firearms is another story. Do that and make them pay for it. I don't care. Won't stop these acts, but it will help.
Wasilla Hillbilly: BronyMedic: People have been blaming video games since ET. Strangely enough, as games have gotten more realistic, violence has gone down.To be fair, the ET video game causing violence would be understandable.
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littlett's: Wasilla Hillbilly: BronyMedic: People have been blaming video games since ET. Strangely enough, as games have gotten more realistic, violence has gone down.To be fair, the ET video game causing violence would be understandable.That had to have been the worst game ever made. To this day I still don't know what you were supposed to do.
dittybopper: Holocaust Agnostic: dittybopper: Holocaust Agnostic: Yes, witnessing on average 80000 killings before you hiiit middle school probably has no effect on anyone subs.Apparently, it doesn't, or if it does have *SOME* effect, it's the opposite you think:Because absolutely nothing else has changed in society since1700.[www.justfactsdaily.com image 850x613]What has changed in society since 1992? We've got more guns than ever before, and media is more realistically violent than ever before.
cryinoutloud: I'm not looking for a farking scapegoat. But keep right on with the reflexive dismissal.
cryinoutloud: And how many of those kids were exposed to fake violence in some form, and it may have affected their way of dealing with their poor hand in life? We don't know
dittybopper: It's also hard to actually murder people when you are a 400 lb blob of fat. The poor in the US are disproportionately obese.
Bontesla: What makes you think that they didn't seek help?Why Kids Kill
tothekor: You were supposed to bury it in the ground.
Holocaust Agnostic: Are you accusing me of being your sock puppet? Well I head I can't deny it. We might be crazy like that.
way south: dittybopper: Perhaps realistic violent media actually has some sort of cathartic effect instead. I'm not married to the idea, but it certainly fits the data better....Or perhaps the number of children staying home VS getting involved with gangs or other bad influences is also helping to lower the murder rate. One of the reason many parents loved Nintendo was that it kept kids away from arcades and the dangers of traveling to them.If you were one of the millions who stayed out of the water after seeing Jaws, I don't think you'll dispute the fact that media greatly affects how we think. The written word drove our founders to revolution and a well written speech drove nations to commit genocide.Games can be an equally bad influence to the wrong crowd.I don't think we should blame them over poor parenting, but people must understand that adult content is not suitable for children. We have to voluntarily censor what kids see before some bureaucratic asshat with a stack of graphs argues that the government should do it for us./Because when they are done with the disarmament they'll need something else to blame./If they don't find the evidence, they'll cook it up.
BigBooper: As I said in an earlier thread, we need to have another census, but in this version, people report on the behavior of their neighbors. Anyone who fits the profile of a potential mass murder,serial killer, pedophile, etc. etc. or black, should be rounded up and put into camps; we'll call them Freedom Schools. Now I know what your thinking, but no, these would not be prisons or concentration camps. They would be places where these potentially dangerous people would be given the help and care that they need to reintegrate with society. Once it was proven that they were not and would never become violent, they would be released. But this time they would be joining our communities with knowledge and skills they learned in Freedom School. Sure they would be watched closely, the jobs they would be allowed to take would be limited, where they could live would be tightly controlled, and they will have been sterilized, but they will be free to live full and complete lives! And our society will flourish! Imagine the freedom of living without violence or fear, or basic human rights!And those who can't prove that they will never be violent or have rich parents or relatives who can buy their way out of Freedom School will be allowed to work for the betterment of society, as miners, and ditch diggers and the like. Now don't worry, each of them would be fitted with tracking and explosive collars to keep them in check.Always remember: Trust and love your government, we know best./peace and order through obedience!//obedience is freedom, dissent is chaos!
Skarekrough: Pants full of macaroni!!: No no no. SEX is bad. Violence is WHOLESOME....and rough sex is another $50 on top of whatever it is you're paying her to begin with.
thecpt: Bontesla: What makes you think that they didn't seek help?Why Kids Kill mentioned how they actively didn't seek help. It's a book that looked extensively into a lot of shooter's personalities (including Columbine shooters and other tragedies) to find any patterns in what makes someone a crazed killer. Came out shortly after the V-tech shooter so it wasn't dated.
ringersol: Other relatively free societies present some pretty straightforward and reasonable examples of how you can *mitigate* this sort of thing.
dittybopper: What, you mean like Norway?
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Vertdang: runaway06: NRA / "Conservative" sloganGuns don't kill people. Movies and video games kill people[art.penny-arcade.com image 800x401]/appropriate, yet again.
Bontesla: How far did the book go back into the children's history? What qualified as a request for help? That's kind of my point. We're expecting children to understand the nature of their feelings and articulate this very complicated experience to someone else?
dittybopper: ringersol: Other relatively free societies present some pretty straightforward and reasonable examples of how you can *mitigate* this sort of thing.What, you mean like Norway?
DeathCipris: This is very easy.Lack. Of. Personal. Accountability.Plain and simple. No one EVER thinks it is his or her fault anymore. This is what happen when people are raised in an "everyone is a winner," special snowflake society. Their precious egos can't handle the fact they did something wrong, and in fact, fail at life. This is at the core of the problem and a lot of problems with society today. It isn't guns. It isn't the news. It isn't video games. It isn't movies. It is the self-entitled child that has had everything handed to him or her on a silver farking platter for his or her entire life that can't handle failure. So much so, when fail does come knocking (ohh and it will), people freak out and commit acts of rage/violence/what-have-you. Stop this snowflake society and I guarantee results...but that's not going to happen when the ex-flower children hippie parents have had their way for so long.
BronyMedic: Bontesla: How far did the book go back into the children's history? What qualified as a request for help? That's kind of my point. We're expecting children to understand the nature of their feelings and articulate this very complicated experience to someone else?Uh, part of the problem is that school administrators and teachers don't help these kids, and actively discourage them from going to authority figures because of bullying. It builds character in their minds, and teaches them how to handle these situations, you see!
verbaltoxin: Again this is another "But the children!" article from a bunch of Mormons who'd ban coffee if they could.
letrole: Spree shootings are caused by a lack of personal restraint. In some cases, such as Charles Whitman, the fellow was suffering from madness with an organic cause ie a brain tumour. He left diaries and letters that showed jumbled and irrational thoughts.But in nearly all cases, this lack of personal restraint comes from the breakdown of society.1. If suicide is no longer a sin,2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses
mrlewish: Anybody yet mention that the removal of lead from gasoline is probably responsible for a good part of the reduction in violent crime?
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