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2012-12-26 10:11:53 AM
Violent crime has been on a steady decline since Pulp Fiction was released in 1994.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/tables/viortrdtab.cfm
 
2012-12-26 10:12:00 AM

Gunther: cryinoutloud: It might make a difference, especially with all those hyper-realistic VIDEO GAMES that we have now. Yes, I said it. How do we know? Has anyone done a comprehensive study, or any kind of study at all, about how these things might affect us as a society? No, of course not, and we never will.

Actually, plenty of studies on that subject have been done.

Not that you care - you're after a scapegoat, not the truth.


You aren't cool til this commie bint has you on ignore with all the other people who embarrass her for for her asstalking. Shouldn't be long now. Her goal is to be left alone with her own thoughts in an otherwise empty thread, which should happen right after she finally goes a round with AbbeySomeone, unless I missed it.
 
2012-12-26 10:13:24 AM

browntimmy: It appears the baby-boomer generation was much more murder happy than the current one. I blame Leave It To Beaver.


It was that ass kisser Eddie Haskel all along.


give me doughnuts: Sword and no track-suit? Even better!


Only if.
 
2012-12-26 10:13:26 AM
Cain didn't need a movie or a gun to kill his brother.
 
2012-12-26 10:13:37 AM

littlett's: Bontesla: We, as a society, are fully responsible for the treatment of our most vulnerable.

I think that starts with the parents too. In general the trend seems to either let the people watching them at day care or their teachers, be the general care givers for their children. I wish that parents would find a way to spend more time with their children. And to me, sitting watching TV or playing your video game while they play their's doesn't really count.

give me doughnuts: But would you be willing to at least put on a tight yellow track-suit and pose with a katana?

I have one of those items, but not the other.


Well, our society is focused on creating employees and not families. We spend a greater portion of our lives in relationships with others than we do working yet we have such an emphasis on training for the work force, being a good employee, etc. Parenting isn't necessarily innate and if your parent was bad, odds are you will be too because our behaviors are often learned.

Think about it. We spend so much money and time preparing children for this aspect of their lives while ignoring much bigger aspects. So parents are told that what they're doing is important and the implication is that if you don't know how to do it then you're broken. You're a failure. We stigmatize training on how to be in relationships with others despite that being the biggest thing in our lives.

We've got to do better.
 
2012-12-26 10:18:14 AM

born_yesterday: Big Beef Burrito: Watching violent movies as a kid has done nothing but good things for me.

Just last weekend I beheaded this guy on the steps of his front porch, right in front of a bunch of his friends.

But its cool, he was the leader of some snake cult and an all-around bad guy.

Crom was pleased.

Look at the strength in your body, the desire in your heart. He gave you this! Such a waste. Contemplate this on the tree of woe.


You know, I've been contemplating for a while, and I think I can be honest with myself. I tried to justify my anger by telling myself he killed my mother, my father and my people, but it was really his hair. I couldn't stand his mullet.

Or maybe I've been out in the sun too long.
 
2012-12-26 10:18:35 AM

Bontesla: I think Stephen King actually argued our intake of simulated violence is healthy because it feeds the "alligators"


Like a blood bool?
 
2012-12-26 10:18:40 AM

littlett's: browntimmy: It appears the baby-boomer generation was much more murder happy than the current one. I blame Leave It To Beaver.

It was that ass kisser Eddie Haskel all along.


give me doughnuts: Sword and no track-suit? Even better!

Only if.


I always thought Eddie would have gotten really heavily into bondage porn, and put June Lockhart's face on all the dominatixes (is that how you pluralize "dominatrix"?).
Then it occured to me that it was really weird to be thinking of such things.

/...and that I needed a spanking.
 
2012-12-26 10:19:19 AM
As I said in an earlier thread, we need to have another census, but in this version, people report on the behavior of their neighbors. Anyone who fits the profile of a potential mass murder,serial killer, pedophile, etc. etc. or black, should be rounded up and put into camps; we'll call them Freedom Schools. Now I know what your thinking, but no, these would not be prisons or concentration camps. They would be places where these potentially dangerous people would be given the help and care that they need to reintegrate with society. Once it was proven that they were not and would never become violent, they would be released. But this time they would be joining our communities with knowledge and skills they learned in Freedom School. Sure they would be watched closely, the jobs they would be allowed to take would be limited, where they could live would be tightly controlled, and they will have been sterilized, but they will be free to live full and complete lives! And our society will flourish! Imagine the freedom of living without violence or fear, or basic human rights!

And those who can't prove that they will never be violent or have rich parents or relatives who can buy their way out of Freedom School will be allowed to work for the betterment of society, as miners, and ditch diggers and the like. Now don't worry, each of them would be fitted with tracking and explosive collars to keep them in check.

Always remember: Trust and love your government, we know best.

/peace and order through obedience!
//obedience is freedom, dissent is chaos!
 
2012-12-26 10:19:58 AM

Bontesla: I think Stephen King actually argued our intake of simulated violence is healthy because it feeds the "alligators"


Or, to put it in plain english: it provides us with a safe outlet for otherwise destructive urges. IMO the same could be said for porn.

Violent games / movies / books = mental enemas.
 
2012-12-26 10:21:03 AM

give me doughnuts: littlett's: browntimmy: It appears the baby-boomer generation was much more murder happy than the current one. I blame Leave It To Beaver.

It was that ass kisser Eddie Haskel all along.


give me doughnuts: Sword and no track-suit? Even better!

Only if.

I always thought Eddie would have gotten really heavily into bondage porn, and put June Lockhart's face on all the dominatixes (is that how you pluralize "dominatrix"?).
Then it occured to me that it was really weird to be thinking of such things.

/...and that I needed a spanking.


Hey, it's Ward's job to be hard on the Beaver!
 
2012-12-26 10:22:04 AM

BigBooper: As I said in an earlier thread, we need to have another census, but in this version, people report on the behavior of their neighbors. Anyone who fits the profile of a potential mass murder,serial killer, pedophile, etc. etc. or black, should be rounded up and put into camps; we'll call them Freedom Schools. Now I know what your thinking, but no, these would not be prisons or concentration camps. They would be places where these potentially dangerous people would be given the help and care that they need to reintegrate with society. Once it was proven that they were not and would never become violent, they would be released. But this time they would be joining our communities with knowledge and skills they learned in Freedom School. Sure they would be watched closely, the jobs they would be allowed to take would be limited, where they could live would be tightly controlled, and they will have been sterilized, but they will be free to live full and complete lives! And our society will flourish! Imagine the freedom of living without violence or fear, or basic human rights!

And those who can't prove that they will never be violent or have rich parents or relatives who can buy their way out of Freedom School will be allowed to work for the betterment of society, as miners, and ditch diggers and the like. Now don't worry, each of them would be fitted with tracking and explosive collars to keep them in check.

Always remember: Trust and love your government, we know best.

/peace and order through obedience!
//obedience is freedom, dissent is chaos!


www.vernonpaddlingcentre.ca
 
2012-12-26 10:22:20 AM

Big Beef Burrito: born_yesterday: Big Beef Burrito: Watching violent movies as a kid has done nothing but good things for me.

Just last weekend I beheaded this guy on the steps of his front porch, right in front of a bunch of his friends.

But its cool, he was the leader of some snake cult and an all-around bad guy.

Crom was pleased.

Look at the strength in your body, the desire in your heart. He gave you this! Such a waste. Contemplate this on the tree of woe.

You know, I've been contemplating for a while, and I think I can be honest with myself. I tried to justify my anger by telling myself he killed my mother, my father and my people, but it was really his hair. I couldn't stand his mullet.

Or maybe I've been out in the sun too long.


It's the Black Lotus. That shiat will really mess with your head, especially if you get some of that cheap-ass haga.
 
2012-12-26 10:23:30 AM

Charles Martel: It makes as much sense to blame Tarantino for mass killings as it does to blame AR-15s for mass killings.


If someone walks into a school and starts killing people by throwing Reservoir Dogs DVD's at them, you might have an equivalent argument.

I've never felt any influence from violent movies, but maybe that's because I was a child of the 80s. Granted, back then, shoot em up westerns were on TV all the time, and theaters alternated every week between slasher flicks and movies like Rambo, Predator, and Robocop.

Psychopaths will look for anything to justify their motivations. Charles Whitman gunned down people from a clocktower at a time when movies couldn't show a gunshot and it's impact on a person in the same frame. Hell, the Son of Sam believed a dog was an ancient god ordering him to kill.

If you're looking for a real analysis on the impact of violent movies on people, just look at Canada. They get the exact same violent TV shows and violent movies that we do at the same time we do, and per capita, they have a minute fraction of the crime.
 
2012-12-26 10:24:00 AM

give me doughnuts: dominatixes (is that how you pluralize "dominatrix"?).


dominatrices?

I don't know.
 
2012-12-26 10:24:26 AM
Has anyone touched on the obvious demon in the room? Every school shooting and Mass killing in the history of ever has been done by someone on weed.

Watch the documentary "Reefer Madness". It will really open your eyes!
 
2012-12-26 10:24:28 AM

thecpt: Bontesla: For example - better access to cost-effective mental health services for young adults. We, as a society, are fully responsible for the treatment of our most vulnerable.

You can say that, and I know averting one tragedy could be worth the costs, but I'm not sure these are the people who would voluntarily seek help.


I think you'd be surprised at how many times they reach out. It isn't always so obvious. And if they're not reaching out to the right people or the response isn't helpful then they reach out less and less. The problem with our system is that we expect young people, still developing, to identify problems within themselves and then articulate that to the right people.

You've got children who are angry or feel excluded from their peers who are supposed to recognize what healthy anger is or to understand how to cope with feelings of exclusion when they may only be able to articulate that they feel bad or angry.

There are also circumstances in which adults also unintentionally create problems. Call on social outcasts during class and the entire back of the room erupts in snickers.
 
2012-12-26 10:24:38 AM

ringersol: TFA: "somehow Tarantino doesn't grasp the connection between a culture that produced the Sandy Hook Elementary school tragedy in Connecticut"

The only connection I can hypothesize from the data available is: the author clearly has a stick up their ass, so perhaps that stick is roughly in the shape of Quentin Tarantino?

/ despite heavy bias and *numerous* studies on the matter, no-one has ever found a connection between violent media and violence
// not films, not tv, not children's programming, not books, not rock music, not rap music, not dungeons and dragons, not video games -- not nuthin.
/// let that poor decades-dead horse *alone* ffs.


I agree.

I think the NRA made a tactical mistake on this one, but it may have been a forced error. People are looking for *SOMETHING* to blame. The NRA can't just say "Hey, it's not the guns!", and just leave it at that, because then we will hit the truth of the matter: There really isn't that much we can do to stop this sort of thing, especially in a relatively free society.
 
2012-12-26 10:24:50 AM

Gunther: Holocaust Agnostic: What point did he make

Ooh, was that a simple spelling mistake or the accidental reveal of a sockpuppet?

Anyhoo, the point I was making was that we can compare cultures before and after they were exposed to violent media. There's no percievable increase in violence. The generation of kids who grew up after video games aren't any more violent than the kids who grew up beforehand (they're less violent, actually).


Are you accusing me of being your sock puppet? Well I head I can't deny it. We might be crazy like that.

*my* point is that generations born after mass media really took off were also being born after/during society deciding that blacks were people, some were people, maybe people shouldn't be left to starve in the streets, workdays shouldn't be 14 hours, not to mention how far police work has come. To just glance at a trendline and put it all down to TV is terminally retarded.
 
2012-12-26 10:26:32 AM
Certainly people are accountable for their own actions.

Then what is the rest of the authors blabbing all about?
 
2012-12-26 10:26:52 AM

littlett's: give me doughnuts: dominatixes (is that how you pluralize "dominatrix"?).

dominatrices?

I don't know.


According to "Yahoo Answers": dominatrixes, dominatrices. But dominatrix, like fish, can be used as the plural form

[The More You Know.gif]
 
2012-12-26 10:26:54 AM

Holocaust Agnostic: dittybopper: Holocaust Agnostic: Yes, witnessing on average 80000 killings before you hiiit middle school probably has no effect on anyone subs.

Apparently, it doesn't, or if it does have *SOME* effect, it's the opposite you think:

Because absolutely nothing else has changed in society since1700.


www.justfactsdaily.com

What has changed in society since 1992?  We've got more guns than ever before, and media is more realistically violent than ever before.
 
2012-12-26 10:27:11 AM

Uncle Tractor: Bontesla: I think Stephen King actually argued our intake of simulated violence is healthy because it feeds the "alligators"

Or, to put it in plain english: it provides us with a safe outlet for otherwise destructive urges. IMO the same could be said for porn.

Violent games / movies / books = mental enemas.


Well said.
 
2012-12-26 10:28:37 AM
Sigh.

Rewatch "Bowling for Columbine". Like/hate Micheal Moore, at least he did the fine service of taking every STUPID idea about the cause of mass killings and ran sanity tests against them -- they all failed.

If violence in media was the cause of mass killings, then societies like South Korea and Japan, which have much higher levels of violent media should have the same problem... but they don't.

Next idiot idea?
 
2012-12-26 10:29:10 AM
some women were people


/fark this phone.
 
2012-12-26 10:30:04 AM

give me doughnuts: Big Beef Burrito: born_yesterday: Big Beef Burrito: Watching violent movies as a kid has done nothing but good things for me.

Just last weekend I beheaded this guy on the steps of his front porch, right in front of a bunch of his friends.

But its cool, he was the leader of some snake cult and an all-around bad guy.

Crom was pleased.

Look at the strength in your body, the desire in your heart. He gave you this! Such a waste. Contemplate this on the tree of woe.

You know, I've been contemplating for a while, and I think I can be honest with myself. I tried to justify my anger by telling myself he killed my mother, my father and my people, but it was really his hair. I couldn't stand his mullet.

Or maybe I've been out in the sun too long.

It's the Black Lotus. That shiat will really mess with your head, especially if you get some of that cheap-ass haga.


That explains a lot. I just tried to make out with a buzzard, and I swear there's a Mexican surfer/archer following me around.
 
2012-12-26 10:30:28 AM

dittybopper: Holocaust Agnostic: dittybopper: Holocaust Agnostic: Yes, witnessing on average 80000 killings before you hiiit middle school probably has no effect on anyone subs.

Apparently, it doesn't, or if it does have *SOME* effect, it's the opposite you think:

Because absolutely nothing else has changed in society since1700.

[www.justfactsdaily.com image 850x613]

What has changed in society since 1992?  We've got more guns than ever before, and media is more realistically violent than ever before.


Internet porn.
 
2012-12-26 10:31:30 AM

Holocaust Agnostic: Yes, witnessing on average 80000 killings before you hiiit middle school probably has no effect on anyone subs.


Is there a death culture in this country? Absolutely.

Does it desensitize us a bit? I have no doubt.

Does theatrical violence cause people to murder? I can't buy into that. Not even for a moment.
 
2012-12-26 10:32:14 AM

Vertdang: runaway06: NRA / "Conservative" slogan
Guns don't kill people. Movies and video games kill people

[art.penny-arcade.com image 800x401]
/appropriate, yet again.


That dude looks like a posturing, wuss, douche bag. But he's right.
 
2012-12-26 10:33:00 AM

dittybopper: Holocaust Agnostic: dittybopper: Holocaust Agnostic: Yes, witnessing on average 80000 killings before you hiiit middle school probably has no effect on anyone subs.

Apparently, it doesn't, or if it does have *SOME* effect, it's the opposite you think:

Because absolutely nothing else has changed in society since1700.



What has changed in society since 1992?  We've got more guns than ever before, and media is more realistically violent than ever before.


Kids who would have been hitting their teenage years didn't because abortion.
 
2012-12-26 10:33:03 AM
farm4.staticflickr.com

Let's start by banning the original "dirty book".
 
2012-12-26 10:33:04 AM

OhioKnight: Like/hate Micheal Moore, at least he did the fine service of taking every STUPID idea about the cause of mass killings and ran sanity tests against them -- they all failed.


Uh, you can't run a sanity test if you failed it yourself.
 
2012-12-26 10:33:10 AM

dittybopper: Perhaps realistic violent media actually has some sort of cathartic effect instead. I'm not married to the idea, but it certainly fits the data better.


...Or perhaps the number of children staying home VS getting involved with gangs or other bad influences is also helping to lower the murder rate. One of the reason many parents loved Nintendo was that it kept kids away from arcades and the dangers of traveling to them.

If you were one of the millions who stayed out of the water after seeing Jaws, I don't think you'll dispute the fact that media greatly affects how we think. The written word drove our founders to revolution and a well written speech drove nations to commit genocide.
Games can be an equally bad influence to the wrong crowd.

I don't think we should blame them over poor parenting, but people must understand that adult content is not suitable for children. We have to voluntarily censor what kids see before some bureaucratic asshat with a stack of graphs argues that the government should do it for us.

/Because when they are done with the disarmament they'll need something else to blame.
/If they don't find the evidence, they'll cook it up.
 
2012-12-26 10:33:30 AM

Bontesla: thecpt: Bontesla: For example - better access to cost-effective mental health services for young adults. We, as a society, are fully responsible for the treatment of our most vulnerable.

You can say that, and I know averting one tragedy could be worth the costs, but I'm not sure these are the people who would voluntarily seek help.

I think you'd be surprised at how many times they reach out. It isn't always so obvious. And if they're not reaching out to the right people or the response isn't helpful then they reach out less and less. The problem with our system is that we expect young people, still developing, to identify problems within themselves and then articulate that to the right people.

You've got children who are angry or feel excluded from their peers who are supposed to recognize what healthy anger is or to understand how to cope with feelings of exclusion when they may only be able to articulate that they feel bad or angry.

There are also circumstances in which adults also unintentionally create problems. Call on social outcasts during class and the entire back of the room erupts in snickers.


I know generally speaking of what your talking about. Making mental health care available and discrete for those who are struggling, and increasing education so children can better identify if they need it. I'm saying the ones who do the acts that cause thousands of ignorant and objective articles like this one aren't the ones who would seek services. A lot of threads keep saying mental health, and yes the criminals are absolutely batshiat bonkers, but I haven't seen a convincing/practical approach to finding and helping the ones that want to stay on the fringes and kill for glory. I just don't see how you could test a person's mental health without infringing on their freedom.

Testing those who buy firearms is another story. Do that and make them pay for it. I don't care. Won't stop these acts, but it will help.
 
2012-12-26 10:34:18 AM

BronyMedic: Has anyone touched on the obvious demon in the room? Every school shooting and Mass killing in the history of ever has been done by someone on weed.

Watch the documentary "Reefer Madness". It will really open your eyes!


What the hell was that movie all about anyway? My sis, both her boyfriends and several of my friends blaze (though I do not) and when they're stoned they can hardly get off the damn couch unless it's to go eat an entire loaf of bread I just finished baking before asking me to make them cookies. Pigs.

/saw that doc years ago and saw right through it
//snickered, too
 
2012-12-26 10:34:26 AM
I watch "3 guys one hammer" on an endless loop in my basement, so obviously I am well-adjusted.
 
2012-12-26 10:34:30 AM

dittybopper: What has changed in society since 1992?


Mafia bossJohn Gotti is sentenced to life in prison after being found guilty of conspiracy to commit murder and racketeering.

FDA Urges Stopping the use of silicone gel breast implants.

So it had to be one of those.

I mean, Miley Cyrus was born in 1992, but that couldn't be it.
 
2012-12-26 10:34:58 AM
The US is a violent culture and has always been. Violence is glorified in music, movies, video games, politics, sports.

All of that is a reflection, not cause of the attitudes towards violence.

Banning or restricting violent media is as stupid as banning or restricting guns.

There needs to be a culture shift, not government action.
 
2012-12-26 10:36:02 AM
So, if I understand this,,,,
You make it abundantly clear that killing a few your children in their school will set off a forest fire of butthurt.
And now you just have to wait for the next creep to go off and you get your fear delivered in spades.
Stupid.
You can harden your schools w/o armed guards. But, no. That would solve the problem instead of Nanny up the butthurt.
Gotta feed the butthurt to advance your authoritarian agenda.

So, business plan: Farm every outrage, and certainly don't get caught inciting an event, to advance your agenda creep by creep.
 
2012-12-26 10:36:51 AM

MugzyBrown: The US is a violent culture and has always been. Violence is glorified in music, movies, video games, politics, sports.

All of that is a reflection, not cause of the attitudes towards violence.

Banning or restricting violent media is as stupid as banning or restricting guns.

There needs to be a culture shift, not government action.


Also, this.

Change the channel morans.
 
2012-12-26 10:36:51 AM

MugzyBrown: The US is a violent culture and has always been. Violence is glorified in music, movies, video games, politics, sports.

All of that is a reflection, not cause of the attitudes towards violence.

Banning or restricting violent media is as stupid as banning or restricting guns.

There needs to be a culture shift, not government action.


Oh, the Nannys are trying.
Not sure this is the shift we had in mind.
 
2012-12-26 10:37:40 AM

littlett's: dittybopper: What has changed in society since 1992?

Mafia bossJohn Gotti is sentenced to life in prison after being found guilty of conspiracy to commit murder and racketeering.

FDA Urges Stopping the use of silicone gel breast implants.

So it had to be one of those.

I mean, Miley Cyrus was born in 1992, but that couldn't be it.


I met the distaffbopper in 1992. As my domestic bliss increased, violence fell across the nation, because I'm funny that way.
 
2012-12-26 10:39:20 AM

BronyMedic: BigBooper: As I said in an earlier thread, we need to have another census, but in this version, people report on the behavior of their neighbors. Anyone who fits the profile of a potential mass murder,serial killer, pedophile, etc. etc. or black, should be rounded up and put into camps; we'll call them Freedom Schools. Now I know what your thinking, but no, these would not be prisons or concentration camps. They would be places where these potentially dangerous people would be given the help and care that they need to reintegrate with society. Once it was proven that they were not and would never become violent, they would be released. But this time they would be joining our communities with knowledge and skills they learned in Freedom School. Sure they would be watched closely, the jobs they would be allowed to take would be limited, where they could live would be tightly controlled, and they will have been sterilized, but they will be free to live full and complete lives! And our society will flourish! Imagine the freedom of living without violence or fear, or basic human rights!

And those who can't prove that they will never be violent or have rich parents or relatives who can buy their way out of Freedom School will be allowed to work for the betterment of society, as miners, and ditch diggers and the like. Now don't worry, each of them would be fitted with tracking and explosive collars to keep them in check.

Always remember: Trust and love your government, we know best.

/peace and order through obedience!
//obedience is freedom, dissent is chaos!

[www.vernonpaddlingcentre.ca image 320x362]


Only Moderately Crazy?!? If that shiat isn't off the scale batshiat Nazi flavored crazy, I don't know what is.
 
2012-12-26 10:41:32 AM

xtragrind: Tobacco kills 500,000 people a year including ~10k children who are exposed during pregnancy and second hand smoke in the home. The same folks who are "Outraged" over guns killing 11,000 a year (ARs account for under 500) should literally be marching on D.C. until tobacco was banned in this country.

I support an assault rifle ban or magazine reduction but if these dopes are going to go after movies now without even mentioning the true killer in this country I just don't know what to say anymore....


Oh, I see. You don't want them to ban something you happen to like.
 
2012-12-26 10:41:35 AM

way south: dittybopper: Perhaps realistic violent media actually has some sort of cathartic effect instead. I'm not married to the idea, but it certainly fits the data better.

...Or perhaps the number of children staying home VS getting involved with gangs or other bad influences is also helping to lower the murder rate.


My point was that it can't be guns: Those have increased in number since 1992, and that it can't be violent media, because that has also become more realistic and more common since then (especially if you are talking about video games).
 
2012-12-26 10:41:35 AM

BronyMedic: People have been blaming video games since ET. Strangely enough, as games have gotten more realistic, violence has gone down.


To be fair, the ET video game causing violence would be understandable.
 
2012-12-26 10:42:50 AM

BronyMedic: People have been blaming video games since ET.


Really bad example. I can personally attest that that game was responsible for the initiation of many violent episodes, bordering on the psychotic.

Stop running into the pit. STOP RUNNING INTO THE PITTT!@!
 
2012-12-26 10:43:12 AM

dittybopper: What has changed in society since 1992? We've got more guns than ever before, and media is more realistically violent than ever before.


Everyone has a theory. I tend to think that the general increase in employment and quality of life was a big part of it. We live in a time and place where even if you're flat broke, you most likely have access to food, clean water and some kind of basic health care. I realize that being poor sucks a LOT (believe me), but if you need some perspective on how bad the disparity between rich and poor can get, wander around the road around the Mumbai airport for two hours and get back to me.

It's just harder to get murderin' angry when you have a roof over your head, clean water, some bagels and an Xbox.
 
2012-12-26 10:43:13 AM

xtragrind: Tobacco kills 500,000 people a year including ~10k children who are exposed during pregnancy and second hand smoke in the home. The same folks who are "Outraged" over guns killing 11,000 a year (ARs account for under 500) should literally be marching on D.C. until tobacco was banned in this country.

I support an assault rifle ban or magazine reduction but if these dopes are going to go after movies now without even mentioning the true killer in this country I just don't know what to say anymore....


I choose to ingest tobacco. Somebody ELSE gets to choose if they shoot me or not.

They are fundamentally different discussions. Not that either has more merit than the other, but you don't do either position any favors by slapping the two on the table together.

Meanwhile, it's a problem of logistics, and the fact that we only visit the discussion about firearms when there's a tragedy and emotions are running high means we will never have sensible gun policy in this country.

How do you prevent somebody from converting a semi-auto to a full-auto? How do you prevent people from buying extended magazines, or simply doing the old school "tape two magazines together" thing? How do we "define" what is banned and not banned. All a gun really is, after all, is a metal tube. Everything else is just tacked on to make them work better. As such, there's no line that makes any god damned sense.

If somebody wanted to do some damage, an M1 Garand would be problematic as well. Super accurate, high powered, quick reload.

But when people talk like I am, at times like this, folks who are riding high on outrage think we're saying we can't effectively regulate fire arms instead of trying to overcome the challenges with such regulations. And the folks who are buying guns and ammo like it's going out of styles right now are convinced that I'm trying to take their guns.

Let's stop, and talk about this again after we collectively pull our heads out of our national asshole.

/Merry Christmas?
 
2012-12-26 10:45:21 AM

Wasilla Hillbilly: To be fair, the ET video game causing violence would be understandable.


The game that made me want to kill people the most was the Atari Pac-Man game. First game that I remember really anticipating, and the stupid thing didn't even change directions? What the hell? If I had owned a car back in the day I would have driven out to the developers house and beat him to death with his own shoes.
 
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