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(Deseret News)   "Excessively violent movies and their impact on our culture." Because we all know that if we stopped killing each other in movies, then death would just take a holiday   (deseretnews.com) divider line 345
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2012-12-26 09:22:47 AM  
My favorite movie is Kill Bill. I guess that's why I'm doing time for hacking up forty people with a katana.
 
2012-12-26 09:24:18 AM  
Good thing we don't all live in medieval Europe. We'd all be serial killers.

/writers is a sniveling wuss
 
2012-12-26 09:24:21 AM  
Oh so?

Its good to know that people weren't killing one another violently before film and television were around.
 
2012-12-26 09:24:26 AM  
/Candle

Stopped reading the article.
 
2012-12-26 09:25:08 AM  
NRA / "Conservative" slogan
Guns don't kill people. Movies and video games kill people
 
2012-12-26 09:25:26 AM  
Yes, witnessing on average 80000 killings before you hiiit middle school probably has no effect on anyone subs.
 
2012-12-26 09:25:50 AM  
We really should go back before 1867 when movies were first created... Nobody ever got killed, and there were no wars.

/a kinder, gentler time.
 
2012-12-26 09:27:07 AM  

runaway06: NRA / "Conservative" slogan
Guns don't kill people. Movies and video games kill people


art.penny-arcade.com
/appropriate, yet again.
 
2012-12-26 09:27:52 AM  
No no no. SEX is bad. Violence is WHOLESOME.
 
2012-12-26 09:28:19 AM  
Tobacco kills 500,000 people a year including ~10k children who are exposed during pregnancy and second hand smoke in the home. The same folks who are "Outraged" over guns killing 11,000 a year (ARs account for under 500) should literally be marching on D.C. until tobacco was banned in this country.

I support an assault rifle ban or magazine reduction but if these dopes are going to go after movies now without even mentioning the true killer in this country I just don't know what to say anymore....
 
2012-12-26 09:28:33 AM  
Meh..... a thread about David Gregory violating DCs high capacity magazine ban on the air would be more interesting.
 
2012-12-26 09:28:43 AM  
If we're going to ban things because they might inspire violent behavior, I suggest we start with the Bible, the Quran, and the Communist Manifesto. Those three have inspired more death and destruction than anything else I know of.
 
2012-12-26 09:28:55 AM  
Murder and mayhem will never take a holiday but it seems reasonable to me that if kids weren't fed a constant diet of it in movies, TV and video games from the time they're able to walk, they might be a little less willing to accept it as a viable option in an argument when they're adults.

And before some wag goes gaga over the 1st amendment, let's not forget the old 'yelling fire in a crowded theater' thing. There are limits to free speech.
 
2012-12-26 09:29:25 AM  
I'm OK with shootings in movies, as long as they are required to make them realistic That means no one gets back up after being shot in the chest or head. Wounds need to be realistic as well.

I was talking with someone the other day, who owns guns...a gun shop actually. and I said we need  to have educational videos for guns the way we used to have educational videos for driving, like "Blood on the Highway". He was OK with that.

//yes, I'm still pushing the petition in these threads
 
2012-12-26 09:31:03 AM  

dofus: Murder and mayhem will never take a holiday but it seems reasonable to me that if kids weren't fed a constant diet of it in movies, TV and video games from the time they're able to walk, they might be a little less willing to accept it as a viable option in an argument when they're adults.

And before some wag goes gaga over the 1st amendment, let's not forget the old 'yelling fire in a crowded theater' thing. There are limits to free speech.


Dude, yelling fire in a crowded theater is not at all comparable to making a movie where someone gets killed.
 
2012-12-26 09:31:45 AM  

runaway06: Movies and video games kill people


The point of contention is that some, not all, of video games and movies kind of glorify killing. And for some obviously less stable people they might not quite have it all together, well things can possibly start to get fuzzy.

Will I put on a yellow track suit and start hacking people to bits after watching a Kill Bill marathon? Probably not. But I can see a 15-18 year old that idolizes a particular character in a game or a movie having a lapse in judgment.

Does it mean that we should ban violence in TV in movies? No. But in turn if we had any writers worth a damn we wouldn't have to fill in so much time of a movie with it to hide the fact that there isn't any plot advancement and that they only have 20 minutes of actual story that they need to stretch to an hour and forty-five minutes.
 
2012-12-26 09:32:51 AM  
Watching violent movies as a kid has done nothing but good things for me.

Just last weekend I beheaded this guy on the steps of his front porch, right in front of a bunch of his friends.

But its cool, he was the leader of some snake cult and an all-around bad guy.

Crom was pleased.
 
2012-12-26 09:32:56 AM  
It might make a difference, especially with all those hyper-realistic VIDEO GAMES that we have now. Yes, I said it. How do we know? Has anyone done a comprehensive study, or any kind of study at all, about how these things might affect us as a society? No, of course not, and we never will.

I'm a firm believer that advertising and the consumer culture has harmed us a great deal. Same sort of thing ---it's just words and pictures. We don't have to participate. And yet our country is much, much different than it would have been if we weren't inundated with messages to buy, buy, buy 24 hours a day. How do you know that a lot of exposure to fake violence hasn't somehow affected our way of thinking about things?
 
2012-12-26 09:33:04 AM  

Chinchillazilla: My favorite movie is Kill Bill. I guess that's why I'm doing time for hacking up forty people with a katana.


My favorite movie is Silence of the Lambs so I've eaten a few people and made a skin suit out of some. It's a worthwhile hobby,not like those terrible violent movies or video games.
 
2012-12-26 09:33:44 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Good thing we don't all live in medieval Europe. We'd all be serial killers.

/writers is a sniveling wuss


Actually, before we could visually fictionalize our violence, people did some really, really gruesome shiat to amuse themselves.

The Roman games are a perfect example. Killing all manner of beast and finding ways to kill criminals that makes a sword to the gut sound appealing.

Not to mention the plethora of medieval torture devices and techniques.

I'd argue that TV has saved more lives than it has cost.
 
2012-12-26 09:34:40 AM  
It makes as much sense to blame Tarantino for mass killings as it does to blame AR-15s for mass killings.
 
2012-12-26 09:34:48 AM  
i bought alien vs predator for like 5 dollars and played it. you get to be an alien and sneak up behind people and kill them in fantastic graphic fashion. i have yet to murder anyone. author is a menstruating coont
 
2012-12-26 09:36:56 AM  

Holocaust Agnostic: Yes, witnessing on average 80000 killings before you hiiit middle school probably has no effect on anyone subs.


if you're correct we should see an increase in violent deaths once modern media became established, but despite all the wars in the 20th century, you were still less likely to be killed by someone else then than in any previous century, a trend that continues to the modern day, and is observable throughout history.

People in pre-agricultural societies have something like a 4% chance of dying violently; obscenely high compared to any modern society. Clearly hunter gatherers played too much GTA.
 
2012-12-26 09:37:12 AM  

runaway06: NRA / "Conservative" slogan
Guns don't kill people. Movies and video games kill people


But only in the US. A movie isn't able to stir up violence in... oh, I don't know... let's say... Bengazi.
 
2012-12-26 09:37:16 AM  

born_yesterday: Actually, before we could visually fictionalize our violence, people did some really, really gruesome shiat to amuse themselves.

The Roman games are a perfect example. Killing all manner of beast and finding ways to kill criminals that makes a sword to the gut sound appealing.

Not to mention the plethora of medieval torture devices and techniques.

I'd argue that TV has saved more lives than it has cost.


Yeah all cultures seem to have had some form of violent entertainment long before television.  Television is just the modern equivalent.  Though we're trending away from violent executions in favor of dressing them up as if they were a medical procedure.  But really there's no difference between a violent movie and a gladiator fight in many respects.
 
2012-12-26 09:37:47 AM  

cryinoutloud: It might make a difference, especially with all those hyper-realistic VIDEO GAMES that we have now. Yes, I said it. How do we know? Has anyone done a comprehensive study, or any kind of study at all, about how these things might affect us as a society? No, of course not, and we never will.


I know what you mean. I play this game, not even 2 years old...and everytime I hear any sort of hissing sound I throw myself to the ground and wait for the creeper to explode...
 
2012-12-26 09:37:47 AM  

Big Beef Burrito: Watching violent movies as a kid has done nothing but good things for me.

Just last weekend I beheaded this guy on the steps of his front porch, right in front of a bunch of his friends.

But its cool, he was the leader of some snake cult and an all-around bad guy.

Crom was pleased.


Look at the strength in your body, the desire in your heart. He gave you this! Such a waste. Contemplate this on the tree of woe.
 
2012-12-26 09:37:52 AM  
My entire family loves gruesome Tarantino movies,and our particular new favorite is The Raid: Redemption. We are not at all violent people, and the person who likes those movies most is a woman who won't even fire a gun without running away from it afterwards.

People are crazy first and will latch onto whatever to propel their sick fantasies.
 
2012-12-26 09:38:13 AM  

runaway06: NRA / "Conservative" slogan
Guns don't kill people. Movies and video games kill people


And rock and roll!
 
2012-12-26 09:38:44 AM  

dofus: Murder and mayhem will never take a holiday but it seems reasonable to me that if kids weren't fed a constant diet of it in movies, TV and video games from the time they're able to walk, they might be a little less willing to accept it as a viable option in an argument when they're adults.

And before some wag goes gaga over the 1st amendment, let's not forget the old 'yelling fire in a crowded theater' thing. There are limits to free speech.


Yeah. You can't make a speech inciting others to violence or riot. Other than that, everything else is fair game or considered a civil matter. Yelling fire in a crowded theatre is nothing comparable to a movie, as you are inciting people to riot.

Did you have a point here, or are you just trying to be a pants-pissing fascist who ignores the real problems with American culture and the mental health system to chide the television for the fact you're letting it raise your kids?
 
2012-12-26 09:39:46 AM  
So there were no violent deaths before the advent of movies?
 
2012-12-26 09:39:47 AM  

xtragrind: Tobacco kills 500,000 people a year including ~10k children who are exposed during pregnancy and second hand smoke in the home. The same folks who are "Outraged" over guns killing 11,000 a year (ARs account for under 500) should literally be marching on D.C. until tobacco was banned in this country.



Don't worry. We're not far off from that.

I bet that, when it happens, it will happen quick.
 
2012-12-26 09:40:02 AM  
Remember that time we watched all the Superman movies and flew around then accidently melted the TV with our laser vision? Good times. Good times.
 
2012-12-26 09:40:06 AM  

Gunther: Holocaust Agnostic: Yes, witnessing on average 80000 killings before you hiiit middle school probably has no effect on anyone subs.

if you're correct we should see an increase in violent deaths once modern media became established, but despite all the wars in the 20th century, you were still less likely to be killed by someone else then than in any previous century, a trend that continues to the modern day, and is observable throughout history.

People in pre-agricultural societies have something like a 4% chance of dying violently; obscenely high compared to any modern society. Clearly hunter gatherers played too much GTA.


Because we still live exactly as hunter-gatherers did, noothng at all has changed EXCEPT for TV...
 
2012-12-26 09:40:19 AM  
Because other countries don't have violent movies or video games...Even Michale Moore explored this in "Bowling for Columbine". This ain't it...

I am starting to think it is the culture of ultra-competitiveness. Everything in the U.S. is now judged...Your clothes, your school (your pre-schools, grammar, middle, high school, college, post-grad), your home/apartment/other, your car, where you work, your rank in the org, etc...

Now before I get jumped on, I am not an "everybody gets a trophy" type. I have to say, though, that the more socialist countries that focus more on overall quality of life rather than individual bank accounts seem to have less of this.

This is only a working theory...
 
2012-12-26 09:40:26 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: No no no. SEX is bad. Violence is WHOLESOME.


...and rough sex is another $50 on top of whatever it is you're paying her to begin with.
 
2012-12-26 09:40:53 AM  

cryinoutloud: It might make a difference, especially with all those hyper-realistic VIDEO GAMES that we have now. Yes, I said it. How do we know? Has anyone done a comprehensive study, or any kind of study at all, about how these things might affect us as a society? No, of course not, and we never will.


Actually, plenty of studies on that subject have been done.

Not that you care - you're after a scapegoat, not the truth.
 
2012-12-26 09:42:12 AM  
Leftists want to follow Australias example in regards to firearms....why don;t they want to follow Australias example in regards to some of the strictest censorship laws in the non Sharia world?
 
2012-12-26 09:42:14 AM  

xtragrind: Tobacco kills 500,000 people a year including ~10k children who are exposed during pregnancy and second hand smoke in the home. The same folks who are "Outraged" over guns killing 11,000 a year (ARs account for under 500) should literally be marching on D.C. until tobacco was banned in this country.

I support an assault rifle ban or magazine reduction but if these dopes are going to go after movies now without even mentioning the true killer in this country I just don't know what to say anymore....


dammit, i just wrote out a whole rant then realized i'm an idiot. but i realized you're right so i'm not a fool.
 
2012-12-26 09:42:29 AM  
Okay so it's important NOT to blame the tools selected to carry out massacres but we MUST blame the the entertainment industry.

Makes sense if you don't invest any thought on the subject.

What ever happened to blaming the criminal for the crime?
 
2012-12-26 09:42:42 AM  

Vertdang: runaway06: NRA / "Conservative" slogan
Guns don't kill people. Movies and video games kill people

[art.penny-arcade.com image 800x401]
/appropriate, yet again.


it is not appropriate because it is stupid and missing the point.
This is not about enacting laws to stop violent video games and movies.
It is about having self restraint and not putting out that type of garbage that promotes a violent culture.

people here whine about the Kardashians and Jersey Shore but no one is accusing those whiners about 1st amendment violations.
 
2012-12-26 09:42:43 AM  

dofus: Murder and mayhem will never take a holiday but it seems reasonable to me that if kids weren't fed a constant diet of it in movies, TV and video games from the time they're able to walk, they might be a little less willing to accept it as a viable option in an argument when they're adults.

And before some wag goes gaga over the 1st amendment, let's not forget the old 'yelling fire in a crowded theater' thing. There are limits to free speech.


The thing is, I listen to death metal and black metal. I watch horror movies. I play violent video games. The only time I have ever resorted to violence IRL is if I had no other choice. My first choice is always to RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY! If I can't, then  I start swinging. My son, who is in his 20's, grew up with this stuff and is much the same  way, except throw in some anime and big band music. We both despise violence IRL. We, like most people who listen to "extreme" metal, watch horror movies and play violent video games, would never harm anyone by choice. I can't even stand to hear about someone being harmed IRL many times,  which is why I can't watch Investigation Discovery very often. It horrifies me. I still shiver about one poor girl's story on that channel and the torture she went through and wish I'd never seen that episode of that show at all.

It's not the entertainment. You are surrounded by people like us. Every. Single. Day. It's the person committing the violence and some fundamental flaw in  them. For most of us, it's merely an outlet, sometimes for aggression, but it's an outlet that is harmless on its face.
 
2012-12-26 09:43:13 AM  
Nice troll sunny. 9/10
 
2012-12-26 09:43:39 AM  
This is very easy.
Lack. Of. Personal. Accountability.

Plain and simple. No one EVER thinks it is his or her fault anymore. This is what happen when people are raised in an "everyone is a winner," special snowflake society. Their precious egos can't handle the fact they did something wrong, and in fact, fail at life. This is at the core of the problem and a lot of problems with society today. It isn't guns. It isn't the news. It isn't video games. It isn't movies. It is the self-entitled child that has had everything handed to him or her on a silver farking platter for his or her entire life that can't handle failure. So much so, when fail does come knocking (ohh and it will), people freak out and commit acts of rage/violence/what-have-you. Stop this snowflake society and I guarantee results...but that's not going to happen when the ex-flower children hippie parents have had their way for so long.
 
2012-12-26 09:43:48 AM  

strix99: Nice troll sunny. 9/10


Subby...damn autocorrect
 
2012-12-26 09:44:05 AM  

runaway06: NRA / "Conservative" slogan
Guns don't kill people. Movies and video games kill people



From "That's My Bush": Guns don't kill people; bullets do. Guns just make them go reeeeeeally fast!


/Let my "People" go!
 
2012-12-26 09:44:38 AM  

Chinchillazilla: dofus: Murder and mayhem will never take a holiday but it seems reasonable to me that if kids weren't fed a constant diet of it in movies, TV and video games from the time they're able to walk, they might be a little less willing to accept it as a viable option in an argument when they're adults.

And before some wag goes gaga over the 1st amendment, let's not forget the old 'yelling fire in a crowded theater' thing. There are limits to free speech.

Dude, yelling fire in a crowded theater is not at all comparable to making a movie where someone gets killed.


Yeah, I was kinda thinking the same after I hit the Add Comment button...

There is probably some arrangement of words that gets the point across that just because you can do something doesn't mean you should but it's not happening for me this morning.

I don't mind that it exists - I'm a fan of NCIS - but I do mind the overwhelming volume of it. I was flipping the channels once and in the space of five minutes I found eleven different shows where some character had a gun in his hand during the few seconds I was watching. There's something wrong with that.
 
2012-12-26 09:44:42 AM  
When I was a youngster my daddy took me to movies like Scarface and full metal jacket, we had guns, including machine guns, all over the house, and my toys were GI Joes. And while I went hunting many times with my dad, I never had the urge to kill anyone or any thing. I turned out just fine, and not at all gay, so I'm proof that these things A. do not cause violence, and B. make sure effeminate boys turn out straight.

/true story
//never went to visit a steel mill though
 
2012-12-26 09:45:00 AM  

Holocaust Agnostic: Yes, witnessing on average 80000 killings before you hiiit middle school probably has no effect on anyone subs.


It hasn't been proven to increase the likelihood of making someone a violent criminal. In fact, studies have suggested the opposite. Which was subby's point.
 
2012-12-26 09:45:37 AM  

born_yesterday: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Good thing we don't all live in medieval Europe. We'd all be serial killers.

/writers is a sniveling wuss

Actually, before we could visually fictionalize our violence, people did some really, really gruesome shiat to amuse themselves.

The Roman games are a perfect example. Killing all manner of beast and finding ways to kill criminals that makes a sword to the gut sound appealing.

Not to mention the plethora of medieval torture devices and techniques.

I'd argue that TV has saved more lives than it has cost.


I made the mistake of trying to read a book on medieval torture devices once. I didn't make it very far. It sickened me.

I just cringed remembering the descriptions of some of those devices, btw.
 
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