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2012-12-26 09:20:56 AM  
Oh, this thread is gon' be good.

denver.mylittlefacewhen.com
 
2012-12-26 09:30:08 AM  
Warrant is so 20th century.
 
2012-12-26 09:32:50 AM  
No big deal. Internet NRA tough guys have told us that they will protect us from tyranny

Of course most of these 2A patriots also said "if you haven't done anything wrong you've got nothing to worry about" while the Patriot Act was being passed
 
2012-12-26 09:37:18 AM  
That's OK as long as they don't read my comments in the politics threads.
 
2012-12-26 09:44:23 AM  
Thanks 0bama!
 
2012-12-26 10:05:44 AM  
And our first right winger that almost assuredly didn't care when a Republican was in office shows up. To blame Obama, of course
 
2012-12-26 10:16:32 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Thanks 0bama!


In other news, Obama is now King of America and has direct control over the legislative and judicial branches of the United States Government, right herr derptroll?
 
2012-12-26 10:37:16 AM  
Currently, the government can collect emails and other cloud data without a warrant as long as the content has been stored on a third-party server for 180 days or more.
Well that's certainly a weird provision.

Federal agents need only demonstrate that they have "reasonable grounds to believe" the information would be useful in an investigation.
Which the way it's worded, doesn't really measure up to reasonable suspicion or probable cause.  Anyone can make that claim, "thought it might be useful"
 
2012-12-26 10:39:15 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: No big deal. Internet NRA tough guys have told us that they will protect us from tyranny

Of course most of these 2A patriots also said "if you haven't done anything wrong you've got nothing to worry about" while the Patriot Act was being passed


Well, the NRA supporters ARE pretty dumb.
 
2012-12-26 10:55:46 AM  
d6xokdhfna55s.cloudfront.net

I hate it when the Gimp records me typing on my laptop.
 
2012-12-26 11:03:23 AM  
And yet we reelect these monkeys in congress without batting an eye
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-26 11:15:56 AM  

cman: And yet we reelect these monkeys in congress without batting an eye


It seems to be much easier to buy congressmen than presidents.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-26 11:18:15 AM  
Does that mean that these NRA types who have been threatening to create a "bloodbath" and start a "civil war" will be taking a Caribbean vacation soon, or is that only terrorism when brown people say it?
 
2012-12-26 11:39:13 AM  
Another thread for "if you do nothing wrong you've nothing to fear" types. Yay.
 
2012-12-26 11:40:53 AM  
If this (and other wonderfulness brought to us by the PATRIOT Act) isn't a good reason to not respond to tragedies with knee-jerk heavy-handed legislative "solutions", I don't know what is.
 
2012-12-26 11:43:52 AM  
If you do nothing wrong you've got nothing to fear.
 
2012-12-26 11:45:49 AM  
Thank god the only presidential candidate who was willing to fight against things like this was roundly ridiculed and mocked by the left. Wouldn't want any of his ideas being given an ounce of legitimacy.
 
2012-12-26 11:45:52 AM  

NateGrey: If you do nothing wrong you've got nothing to fear.


Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
 
2012-12-26 11:46:35 AM  
Seriously - does it really even matter anymore? Your "privacy" is long gone. Accept it and move on.

/barn door, horses, etc
 
2012-12-26 11:46:58 AM  

Peter von Nostrand: No big deal. Internet NRA tough guys have told us that they will protect us from tyranny

Of course most of these 2A patriots also said "if you haven't done anything wrong you've got nothing to worry about" while the Patriot Act was being passed


They're also the ones that cheered when unarmed OWS protesters were being beaten by the police. You know, actually being oppressed by government tyranny.

They lack the courage to stand up for their fellow Americans, they lack the foresight to see that other rights matter than the 2nd amendment, and require even more vigilance.

If you're holed up in your house with your AR-15, waiting for the jackbooted thugs to show up, you've already lost.
 
2012-12-26 11:47:36 AM  

MattStafford: Thank god the only presidential candidate who was willing to fight against things like this was roundly ridiculed and mocked by the left. Wouldn't want any of his ideas being given an ounce of legitimacy.


RON PAUL?

Cause most of his ideas were and are nuts.

As for "the left," plenty of them are irate at Obama over this, and have not been quiet about making those opinions known.
 
2012-12-26 11:51:25 AM  
You mean to tell me a spy organization and a quasi-regulated federal level law enforcement/investigative agency have human components that will do things covertly?

Stop the world I want to get off.
 
2012-12-26 11:51:25 AM  
America is a turnkey police state.  If guys like J. Edgar Hoover and Nixon were in power today,  they'd use this to spy on their enemies and build a blackmail file so large, they would become a de facto dictator.  Of course, the best part is that It's just a matter of time before somebody like that comes to power again.
 
2012-12-26 11:53:27 AM  
I thought the way folks get around that was by typing your e-mail, put in the send later folder. Then later, the guy you were sending it to logs into the same account, and simply reads what's in the send later folder. Then he can add to, or delete. Can't be traced because it was never actually sent.
/no?
 
2012-12-26 11:56:52 AM  

cig-mkr: I thought the way folks get around that was by typing your e-mail, put in the send later folder. Then later, the guy you were sending it to logs into the same account, and simply reads what's in the send later folder. Then he can add to, or delete. Can't be traced because it was never actually sent.
/no?


Ask Petraeus how that worked out for him.
 
2012-12-26 12:00:37 PM  

slykens1: You do know that President Obama has twice signed reauthorizations for the Patriot Act and that he, as President, could have vetoed it resulting in its sunset?


Good thing the article is about the Patriot Act.

Sometimes I even amaze myself.
 
2012-12-26 12:03:14 PM  
How will the patriotic blogger patriots plan their revolution? Their only two modes of communication are AM radio and emails that must be sent to ten other patriots.

tenpoundsofpotatoes sure is thanking the president a lot lately.
 
2012-12-26 12:06:26 PM  

cig-mkr: I thought the way folks get around that was by typing your e-mail, put in the send later folder. Then later, the guy you were sending it to logs into the same account, and simply reads what's in the send later folder. Then he can add to, or delete. Can't be traced because it was never actually sent.
/no?


Wasn't it sent from the public mail server to your desktop's draft folder?

/Yeah I get it, snark.
 
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2012-12-26 12:11:45 PM  
You know how many emails get sent every day?  I'm just not all that important, and neither are you, subby.
 
2012-12-26 12:12:33 PM  

born_yesterday: Peter von Nostrand: No big deal. Internet NRA tough guys have told us that they will protect us from tyranny

Of course most of these 2A patriots also said "if you haven't done anything wrong you've got nothing to worry about" while the Patriot Act was being passed

They're also the ones that cheered when unarmed OWS protesters were being beaten by the police. You know, actually being oppressed by government tyranny.

They lack the courage to stand up for their fellow Americans, they lack the foresight to see that other rights matter than the 2nd amendment, and require even more vigilance.


If you're holed up in your house with your AR-15, waiting for the jackbooted thugs to show up, you've already lost.


Good lord, THIS!
 
2012-12-26 12:21:17 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Yep, one of the things that I'm very disappointed that Obama has done


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-26 12:27:30 PM  
Oh no. They'll see my 10% off coupon from LL Bean!!
 
2012-12-26 12:27:44 PM  

NateGrey: If you do nothing wrong you've got nothing to fear.


If you believe that, you need to watch this.
 
2012-12-26 12:43:04 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: No big deal. Internet NRA tough guys have told us that they will protect us from tyranny

Of course most of these 2A

GROUP Wpatriots also said "if you haven't done anything wrong you've got nothing to worry about" while the Patriot Act was being passed


FTFY.

Group W's where they put you if you may not be moral enough to join the army aftercommitting your special crime, and there was all kinds of mean nasty uglylooking people on the bench there. Mother rapers. Father stabbers. Fatherrapers! Father rapers sitting right there on the bench next to me!
 
2012-12-26 12:45:54 PM  

MattStafford: Thank god the only presidential candidate who was willing to fight against things like this was roundly ridiculed and mocked by the left.


Just because the batshiat insane neo-confederate kook is right about one issue doesn't mean he's right for the correct reasons, or that he isn't a batshiat insane neo-confederate Bircherite conspiracy kook when it comes to the vast majority of other issues.

So yeah, let us all thank god that the one guy who had the correct position on this particular issue was rightfully ridiculed and mocked into oblivion
 
2012-12-26 12:51:43 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: The potato crew once durred about benghazi so shut up about the patriot act. Got it.


The point called. It wanted you to know it's having a wonderful time in Shanghai.
 
2012-12-26 12:53:24 PM  

NateGrey: If you do nothing wrong you've got nothing to fear.


Show me a person who's done nothing wrong, and I'll show you a person who's never lived.
 
2012-12-26 12:54:37 PM  
Give your personal correspondence to a private entity and allow them to save a copy without having any agreement guaranteeing your privacy with said private entity and watch, amazingly, as the government doesn't need a warrant to ask that agency if they would kindly hand over said correspondence.

Who would have ever thought?

I would kind of like it if they did need a warrant, and honestly I can see an argument, especially when the government tries to or succeeds in passing laws forcing these entities to hold onto your documents, that these entities are agents of the government by their actions and by the control and influence the government holds over them.

But I am not at all surprised that the default standard isn't a warrant requirement. This isn't even a 4th amendment issue unless you can show that the company holding your emails is an agent of the government.

Holocaust Agnostic: The potato crew once durred about benghazi so shut up about the patriot act. Got it.


I think what he said was 'don't blame the executive branch, blame the legislative'. I guess you could get upset at Obama for allowing federal law enforcement entities to operate with all the tools at their disposal. That is a pretty double-edged sword though, because if ANYTHING happened on his watch and he had told the FBI/CIA to hold back in policy directives that far beyond what authority to act congress had granted them he would be crucified by both parties. More than that, it would risk not only a full swing to the right by people in power, but likely a doubling down on the terror-scare rhetoric and the patriot act being made even worse.

Tricky situation. And I know I say this a lot, but I would like to once again remind fark liberals that we are much more liberal than the average american. Nothing is accomplished by taking a hard-line approach resulting in political suicide - unless you think liberal representatives should operate like tea party members. Even if it is my own causes being furthered, I don't want to see liberals acting like the governor of Wisconsin: run on one platform and then the second a majority is held by the party try to smash through as much unrelated legislation as possible. Even if that were a way to get rid of the patriot act I wouldn't to see an election cycle in which democrats pretended they liked it or kept it low-key to score votes and then get into office and do an about face. That is a bad road to go down.
 
2012-12-26 12:58:33 PM  
Who cares? As long as I can still own a handgun, no other fundamental civil liberties matter.
 
2012-12-26 01:00:49 PM  
well according to behavioral psychology, the FBI and CIA don't actually need to read your emails - they just have to say they are, and people will be more aware of their own morality

/or that's just what they want you to believe
 
2012-12-26 01:00:50 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: MattStafford: Thank god the only presidential candidate who was willing to fight against things like this was roundly ridiculed and mocked by the left.

Just because the batshiat insane neo-confederate kook is right about one issue doesn't mean he's right for the correct reasons, or that he isn't a batshiat insane neo-confederate Bircherite conspiracy kook when it comes to the vast majority of other issues.

So yeah, let us all thank god that the one guy who had the correct position on this particular issue was rightfully ridiculed and mocked into oblivion


Sure, the only issue he is right on is foreign policy, civil liberties, and the drug war. Those are pretty small issues, though, I have to agree. He should be ridiculed into oblivion.

Greenwald on the matter: Progressives would feel much better about themselves, their Party and their candidate if they only had to oppose, say, Rick Perry or Michele Bachmann. That's because the standard GOP candidate agrees with Obama on many of these issues and is even worse on these others, so progressives can feel good about themselves for supporting Obama: his right-wing opponent is a warmonger, a servant to Wall Street, a neocon, a devotee of harsh and racist criminal justice policies, etc. etc. Paul scrambles the comfortable ideological and partisan categories and forces progressives to confront and account for the policies they are working to protect. His nomination would mean that it is the Republican candidate - not the Democrat - who would be the anti-war, pro-due-process, pro-transparency, anti-Fed, anti-Wall-Street-bailout, anti-Drug-War advocate (which is why some neocons are expressly arguing they'd vote for Obama over Paul). Is it really hard to see why Democrats hate his candidacy and anyone who touts its benefits?
 
2012-12-26 01:01:52 PM  
As one who once read all the NSA's email, I'm getting a... Hold on a tick and let me answer the door.
 
2012-12-26 01:17:02 PM  

MattStafford: Sure, the only issue he is right on is foreign policy, civil liberties, and the drug war. Those are pretty small issues, though, I have to agree. He should be ridiculed into oblivion.


"right" on civil liberties BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. The guy who thinks it should be OK for business to refuse to severe black people is "right" on civil liberties. He's typical white christian male neo-confederate kook.

He wants to grant full personhood to fetuses with the specific intent of making abortion illegal. He rejects evolution. He endorses home schooling with no testing required to prove the kids have actually learned anything. He is anti-gay rights.

He doesn't believe that the Constitution creates a wall of separation between Church and State. He believes that the "left hates religion." He consistently decries "secularism" and "secularists." He claims that the Constitution and Declaration of Independence are "replete with references to God." He is concerned that the "secularists" are "waging a war on religion" in an attempt to destroy our "Cristian Heritage."

In my mind, that all adds up to an utterly typical theocratic right wing John Birch Christianist extremist. The only real difference between his ideology and that of Christian Nationalists is that he'd like to see it all done at the State level. For all the alleged purity and consistency of his libertarian stance, he's really only a libertarian when talking about the Federal government. At the State level he's just another James Dobson or Pat Robertson - a rich, white, male Christian who wants to make sure that rich, white, Christian men stay in charge.

He firmly believes in most Trilateral Commission conspiracy theories. When he was given an opportunity to distance himself from the position that there is a sinister group trying to merge the US, Canada, and Mexico into a "North American Union" and replace the dollar with the "Amero", he instead took the opportunity to reaffirm this belief. He railed against some supposed plan to build a (somehow) sovereignty destroying superhighway. He thinks there is an international cabal trying to assume control over vitamins and natural healthcare products through the FDA. He opposes mandatory vaccinations.

He associates unashamedly with, and believes most, if not all, of the same things as certain far-right white supremacist "patriot" and "militia" groups. Even if he personally isn't a racist, his association with racist groups is objectionable because his ideas on income taxes, the gold standard, the UN, public education, public health policy, race relations, "States Rights", federal authority, abortion, religious freedom, immigration, and consumer protection are pretty much identical to the views of various white supremacist "patriot" groups, far-right "militias," tax protesting conspiracy nuts, and a variety of cranks, crackpots and kooks of the first order.

So yeah, tell us again how he is "right" on the issues
 
2012-12-26 01:34:48 PM  
I couldn't care less about warrants. That only applies to evidence, and the Feds never get refused warrants anyway.

I care about it being secret. I should be able to find out every time the Feds looked at my emails etc. three years after it's been done (or so). If I never find out about it, how does it matter if they filed the appropriate paperwork?
 
2012-12-26 01:39:17 PM  

BronyMedic: You missed the point. Obama gets blamed for everything, when it's not just him at fault there are 465 Representatives and 100 senators, and 9 supreme court judges. It's just as ignorant and fallacious blaming Bush for the Iraq war.


Bullscat.

If that were the case people would be saying B..Bu..But..465 Representatives and 100 senators, and 9 supreme court judges!!!!11111

Instead of But Bush.
 
2012-12-26 01:40:42 PM  

MattStafford: Sure, the only issue he is right on is foreign policy, civil liberties, and the drug war. Those are pretty small issues, though, I have to agree. He should be ridiculed into oblivion.


The guy who has no problem whatsoever if state governments impose the death penalty for pot possession "has it right" on the drug war?

Are you sure that's your final answer?
 
2012-12-26 02:11:31 PM  

Mugato: tenpoundsofcheese: Thanks 0bama!

Do you ever look in the mirror and just feel terrible about yourself?


Only when he's touching himself.
 
2012-12-26 02:20:12 PM  
 
2012-12-26 02:27:29 PM  

Generation_D: Warrant is so 20th century.


For my personal communication needs, so is email.

www.usphs.gov
 
2012-12-26 02:32:25 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: MattStafford: Sure, the only issue he is right on is foreign policy, civil liberties, and the drug war. Those are pretty small issues, though, I have to agree. He should be ridiculed into oblivion.

"right" on civil liberties BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA. The guy who thinks it should be OK for business to refuse to severe black people is "right" on civil liberties. He's typical white christian male neo-confederate kook.

He wants to grant full personhood to fetuses with the specific intent of making abortion illegal. He rejects evolution. He endorses home schooling with no testing required to prove the kids have actually learned anything. He is anti-gay rights.

He doesn't believe that the Constitution creates a wall of separation between Church and State. He believes that the "left hates religion." He consistently decries "secularism" and "secularists." He claims that the Constitution and Declaration of Independence are "replete with references to God." He is concerned that the "secularists" are "waging a war on religion" in an attempt to destroy our "Cristian Heritage."

In my mind, that all adds up to an utterly typical theocratic right wing John Birch Christianist extremist. The only real difference between his ideology and that of Christian Nationalists is that he'd like to see it all done at the State level. For all the alleged purity and consistency of his libertarian stance, he's really only a libertarian when talking about the Federal government. At the State level he's just another James Dobson or Pat Robertson - a rich, white, male Christian who wants to make sure that rich, white, Christian men stay in charge.

He firmly believes in most Trilateral Commission conspiracy theories. When he was given an opportunity to distance himself from the position that there is a sinister group trying to merge the US, Canada, and Mexico into a "North American Union" and replace the dollar with the "Amero", he instead took the opportunity to reaffirm this belief. He railed against s ...


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