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(Daily Mail)   TSA whistleblower says yes, it's as bad as you thought back in that super secret image viewing room   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 28
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27638 clicks; posted to Main » on 26 Dec 2012 at 10:38 AM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2012-12-26 10:51:43 AM  
7 votes:
Great. Makes me glad I haven't flown in over 12 years. This is why I am against Congress Members being allowed to create laws that they never have to follow. If everyone in congress had to go through the TSA and be treated just like everyone else, this shiat would end. But when Congress is allowed to set in their metaphorical Ivory Tower and pass laws that they instantly exempt themselves from, this is what happens. If I ever get my hands on a time machine, I am going to show the founding fathers 2012 and drop them off in front of Congress to explain to our senators and HOR how this is against what they wanted.
2012-12-26 09:24:58 AM  
7 votes:
People who are in a rush to enact gun legislation in the wake of an emotional tragedy should keep the TSA in mind.  Warrantless nude searches of every flyer and humiliating groin pat-downs of children and people with medical devices like insulin pumps and breast pumps.
2012-12-26 10:57:56 AM  
5 votes:
I'm sure these words will come back to haunt me some day, but I'm starting to wonder if/why it really matters that much what the 'founding fathers' intended or desired beyond the purely academic.
2012-12-26 10:59:21 AM  
4 votes:
I don't have a problem with them laughing at my nekid body. I think it's pretty funny too.
I DO have a problem with "arbitrarily punish disgruntled passengers by subjecting them to unjustified and pointless luggage searches
2012-12-26 11:13:02 AM  
3 votes:

Spirit Hammer: I don't have a problem with them laughing at my nekid body. I think it's pretty funny too.
I DO have a problem with "arbitrarily punish disgruntled passengers by subjecting them to unjustified and pointless luggage searches


Then you have a problem with petty authority.  As a frequent flier, please do time your outburst for the moment *after* I am already through my scan this week, because I have a plane to catch and really don't think I need to be witness to another citizen snapping at the mall cop with the police scanner and zero incentive to treat you well after you go off.

If everyone that said they had a problem with TSA actually, oh I don't know, organized and did something about TSA?   We'd have revisions probably within a year.

Instead, you phonies just whine about the 1 in 10,000 incident you read about that was bad, then you whine about how much you think your liberties are being infringed, all the while sitting around doing nothing to help or improve matters.  Your silence at the subject outside of anonymous forums is part of the problem, you know.
2012-12-26 10:45:51 AM  
3 votes:

Generation_D: I really can't blame them.  Mind-numbing $15 an hour job, stressful conditions, asshat customers non stop.


I WISH I made 15 dollars an hour.

And, speaking of the TSA's nude viewing rooms, it's only a matter of time before someone leaks a disk FULL of naked passenger photos taken from those x-ray machines. It's going to happen, somehow, at some point.

Anonymous should make that their next project.
2012-12-26 12:01:31 PM  
2 votes:

Generation_D: Why is TSA a big deal, again?


Because they are paid with our tax money, which means the employees automatically take on the following aspects:

1. Cannot have fun, ever. No matter how much they earn or what they do to get their job, all non-military government employees should be miserable.

2. Cannot be so serious that they actually do their job (occaisionally search children, old ladies etc), but have to be so serious that they don't tell a joke or two while spending hours in a small room staring at a screen.

3. Are immediately dismissed as ignorant, stupid, uneducated, and despicable human beings. Yes, it doesn't require a college education but that doesn't mean every down on their luck during the bad economy applicant for the task was a brain-dead moron. In every other fark thread we see a majority view of us liberals respecting the poor and their situation. In the TSA threads we see the opposite - you spit on them for being in the situation in life where taking a TSA job is a decent choice AND you spit them for making that choice. So they are stupid morons for being poor and stupid, and then you ask them, by way of your disgust over their taking the position, to pass on an opportunity to earn more? Ridiculous.

4. Are simultaneously accused of being massively overpaid fatcats by anyone earning a single dollar per hour less.


And I expect this kind of garbage from the folks who whine up a storm about unions and teacher's pay and stuff, but what I see in these threads is a lot of the usual liberals throwing their values away simply because they hate the security theater aspect of things. In this case, hate the game, not the player.
2012-12-26 11:15:49 AM  
2 votes:
I travel most every week and opt out every time. To me the pat downs are no more obtrusive than naked scanning. Someone carries all your stuff for you away from the chaos and you have a private quiet area to get your stuff back together. I hated doing the one leg hop while someone pushes your stuff away from you. If you've never done an opt out, I recommend you try it. For me its like the first class version of a TSA line. Plus, if enough people opt out, they will go back to metal detectors. Right now in most every airport when lines get longer, metal detectors open up and scanners shut down because they are faster.
2012-12-26 10:44:02 AM  
2 votes:
One of the largest and most hated federal bureaucracies.....thanks GOP for pretending to keep me safe.
2012-12-26 09:45:52 AM  
2 votes:
Thanks 0bama.
2012-12-27 12:42:02 AM  
1 votes:

gja: 1. FYI: I am probably the WORST person to use as an example. I make my living in info-sec and forensics.
I will happily send anyone that wishes a USB drive with an encrypted file and a challenge to open it for a $50K prize. It will not happen.
2. I would never let ANYONE touched/possess/use/inspect my devices. EVER. I am the only 1 that will ever do so.


Uh...
gja
2012-12-26 04:47:40 PM  
1 votes:

Smackledorfer: gja: My consternation is not with the actual image, but with the criminal trespass and betrayal of trust

You say that now, but earlier you were saying:

gja: Because perhaps (and likely) they have not/will not, stop at "sees my beer gut" and might decide a nice long look at your wife's/young daughters parts are just what they were waiting for?
Now how do you feel about that?

As far as criminal trespass and betray of trust... well I guess if you trusted them to keep these images, about you admit are pretty much meaningless, confidential then ya I guess.

Here is the thing: if I could give two shiats about the information they are looking at (my backscatter image) and you could give two shiats about it, and we cannot in this thread conceive of a reason to give two shiats about them or what harm the revealing of the information is, AND we agree that the images hold no more information about a person than a public viewing of them with clothes on (less even, because by themselves these images cannot even be identified as specific people, then what great trust were we placing in the TSA regarding the images?

I don't like security theater, but whining about the backscatter pictures is much ado about nothing, and effort is much better spent addressing the cost/benefit of the program than the pictures.


I did write  "My consternation is not with the actual image, but with the criminal trespass and betrayal of trust " but really if I had not been so quick to post what I really was trying to say was my consternation is not mainly the images themselves, but with their betrayal of trust and the criminal trespass on our persons.

I give a shiat because it "goes to character" as we say in law circles. And when you have that much question in mind when considering an agency who has been granted such wide-ranging latitude in dealing with confidential and personal information (images included) that indicates a serious issue.

Oh, and those images, if taken through much thinner clothing (like a thin cotton dress so common to women in warmer climates) can produce MUCH more detail than is being indicated. Not many on this site will have the opportunity to witness that, I have. And I can tell you it's far beyond what they are showing in their "look, it doesn't show clear detail of your body" examples. Bullshiat! You might change your tune if you saw it. My bet is at some point someone will 'leak' a set of those and the defecation will most certainly impede the rotating air circulant.
Over-detail can also be exacerbated by out-of-parameter calibration. Given enough neglect to inspection and calibration these machines can also degrade to an out-of-specification operation. It is NOT far-fetched, believe me. There is a reason medical imaging equipment is so rigorously and frequently checked, they need to be to ensure compliant and safe operation.

You are right in that we should be focusing on the overall issue the TSA is a cost/benefit failure. We surely are not getting our moneys worth.
And THAT, more than anything else, is why it is a complete loss when viewed as a whole.
2012-12-26 12:54:00 PM  
1 votes:

Smackledorfer: browntimmy: The issue is we're giving positions of authority to people who are barely qualified to make Big Macs.

Oh, is that the issue. Ok then.

So pay them twice as much so bring in the talent?


I see this is hard for you. I don't think any idiot off the street could or should be a security guard, cop, etc. So yes, it makes perfect sense to have better qualified people in there. If that's too expensive, I'm fine with going back to pre 9-11 security measures.
2012-12-26 12:08:54 PM  
1 votes:

Generation_D: At which point they will be committing several felonies


TSA employees steal iPads and other electronics and valuables. One more felony isn't going to stop them.

Certainly identifyable by the type of camera and various pallettes that only a TSA camera would be using.

So what? The TSA has already proven to be protecting their employees from accusations- for instance, they completely allow their employees to wear their name badges backwards, to hide their names. You see, in order to file a complaint, the TSA requires you to submit the Full name of the screener. And if they hide their name badge....
So, do you really think that the TSA would freely admit 'oh, yes, these images are from our equipment'?? As shown by previous incidents, they will delay and delay, dragging their feet as long as possible until the publicity has died down, then make a non-committal statement that the images MAY be theirs, but that they cannot comment because an investigation is ongoing. Etc.

So to recap, they will trade a felony so they can have a usb drive full of anonymous, monochrome beer guts and saggy boobs, and the occasional pedo pic.

Do you know how much a tabloid would pay for a scanner image of a celebrity?

The asshats at Apple or Best Buy already saw your wife naked, leeched every pic on your phone, know your contacts going back 4 years, and have your credit card number.

No they don't. I don't do business with Apple or Best Buy. Or any other such store. Yes, NewEgg has my CC#, but I'm not worried.
2012-12-26 11:57:45 AM  
1 votes:
I have been through the scanners exactly twice. Both times I was "randomly selected" for special screening, so I got the grope anyway. Now if I have to fly, I just tell them "just feel me up, dudes. You're going to anyway, I've been  through this before." Also, every time they've done a check of my carry on, something has come  up missing. Every. Single. Farking. Time. I've learned not to take anything like my MP3 player, earbuds, anything of value with me. I don't even need a carry on anymore because those barstids will steal anything, even if the only person it has value to would be me. It's sad, really.

/I've dramatically cut down on visiting family, that's for sure
2012-12-26 11:48:42 AM  
1 votes:

littlett's: Smackledorfer: You guys have no idea how it works, do you?

Ok, if they can't get the files off the machine, they could probably use their cell phones to capture an image.


The point is that you seem to believe the image from a backscatter machine is what I imagined as a child when I heard of x-ray glasses. It is absolutely worthless in terms of pornographic value beyond the guys in the back room going "hurr, look how fat that guy is" and may a little "that's a huge biatch, behemoth!" type of stuff.

There is no internet value to looking at people next to their backscatter - porn already exists, as does a plethora of real life wardrobe malfunctions and drunks shedding clothes on camera. I can see any body type I want to already. I can laugh at people of walmart right now if I just want to see stupid people.

I hope they get a good laugh out of the size of my thighs or whatever as I go through: their job isn't one I envy (and bear in mind it isn't one I believe should even exist at the scope/scale it does), and I don't begrudge other human beings their humor.

The outrage levied at the TSA is so misplaced and poorly thought out that I am consistently amazed when I see it.
2012-12-26 11:44:39 AM  
1 votes:

Citrate1007: One of the largest and most hated federal bureaucracies.....thanks GOP for pretending to keep me safe.


Who's been running it the last couple of years?
2012-12-26 11:28:02 AM  
1 votes:

Generation_D: I really can't blame them.  Mind-numbing $15 an hour job, stressful conditions, asshat customers non stop.

Tell me why I should care if an anonymous mall cop level employee sees my beer gut in a scan?  Better them than me.


This. Tsa is a waste, but just look at the pic in tfa. You could get a better idea of my nude body through my clothes using just your imagination.

As for folks joking and goofing off a bit on the job? Fine by me. Very few jobs should be taken so seriously that you can't clown around a little.

People want cops to lighten up and not take their job seriously whenever a cop is even slightly too serious, but then biatch about lack of professionalism every second they aren't being perfect.
2012-12-26 11:17:53 AM  
1 votes:
Well I'm astounded. Up till now I was certain those tens of billions were spent to keep us safe. This is astonishing.
2012-12-26 11:15:21 AM  
1 votes:

Coastalgrl: I really want to go through the process with a radiation badge.


I wonder if they make one that could be disguised as a bandaid.
2012-12-26 11:04:23 AM  
1 votes:

bronyaur1: tenpoundsofcheese: Thanks 0bama.

Ahhh... more trolling from the alt who has been wrong about pretty much everything. And supporter of the party that created the TSA.


Because the other party has done so much to try to do away with it..

Or are we still 'hoping' something will change?


http://www.facebook.com/pages/George-W-Obama/198592273491302
2012-12-26 10:59:30 AM  
1 votes:
I've observed something interesting the last 6-7 times I've flown. Small sample size i admit. I opt out of the scanners due to medical reasons. I get the speel and they ask why and I tell them I have a node the size of a golf ball on my thyroid. Actually it's big enough if them to clearly see it. I'd like to keep it benign. So I wait for a female assist and during that time a TSA officer is generally pretty friendly abd talkative. Each time I've flown the TSA agent says "really? I have some of those too"

I really want to go through the process with a radiation badge.
2012-12-26 10:55:20 AM  
1 votes:
I'm sure that there was someone who said, back in the day, "I'm fine with packing into a cattle car as long as everyone has to do it. Sure is a long ride to this camp, hope they have showers available when we get there."
2012-12-26 10:52:34 AM  
1 votes:

doczoidberg: Generation_D: I really can't blame them.  Mind-numbing $15 an hour job, stressful conditions, asshat customers non stop.

I WISH I made 15 dollars an hour.



Me too. Im supporting a family of 4 on $10.50/hr...$15 would be awesome.

syrynxx: People who are in a rush to enact gun legislation in the wake of an emotional tragedy should keep the TSA in mind.  Warrantless nude searches of every flyer and humiliating groin pat-downs of children and people with medical devices like insulin pumps and breast pumps.


I had that thought as well. The people who screamed to be made safe from the terrorists are the same ones screaming about the guns...and we all see the BS they caused last time.
2012-12-26 10:45:37 AM  
1 votes:
What did they thing they were going to have going on if you put a bunch of guys in a room looking at "nude" images?

Some guys act bad enough in public in the first place (not that some women don't act inappropriately as well).
2012-12-26 10:45:18 AM  
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Thanks 0bama.


Ahhh... more trolling from the alt who has been wrong about pretty much everything. And supporter of the party that created the TSA.
2012-12-26 09:36:53 AM  
1 votes:
I really can't blame them.  Mind-numbing $15 an hour job, stressful conditions, asshat customers non stop.

Tell me why I should care if an anonymous mall cop level employee sees my beer gut in a scan?  Better them than me.
2012-12-26 06:36:42 AM  
1 votes:
Starting the viral marketing for Pacific Rim a bit early, aren't they?
 
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