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2012-12-26 09:18:13 AM  
One of the best SNES games ever.
 
2012-12-26 09:44:17 AM  
I really enjoyed the premise to Shadowrun (the pen and paper game, I never played the video game) but it's implementation was rough.  I think a well done MMO might be interesting.
 
2012-12-26 10:17:54 AM  
I played first and a little bit of second edition Shadowrun. I have never found the need for so many six-sided dice in my life. It was fun in a "don't take it too seriously" way.
 
2012-12-26 12:00:03 PM  
I still have my book.  I might have to reread the rules before trying the mmo
 
2012-12-26 12:05:24 PM  
Storm Front...Is it racist to call them Orcs? I've heard them call themselves that.
 
2012-12-26 12:58:20 PM  
we ushered in the mayan apocalypse with an all night shadowrun game session.
 
2012-12-26 01:01:02 PM  
Of all the cyberpunk games, I liked SHADOWRUN the best since, somehow, the mixing in the
magical/fantasy elements mitigated the nihilism and depression for me.
 
2012-12-26 01:05:26 PM  

Ennuipoet: I really enjoyed the premise to Shadowrun (the pen and paper game, I never played the video game) but it's implementation was rough.  I think a well done MMO might be interesting.


the third edition cleaned up a lot of the mechanics and the bucket o' dice problems.

it has always been my favorite setting, I just never find a group that plays it...
 
2012-12-26 01:14:32 PM  

Where wolf: Ennuipoet: I really enjoyed the premise to Shadowrun (the pen and paper game, I never played the video game) but it's implementation was rough.  I think a well done MMO might be interesting.

the third edition cleaned up a lot of the mechanics and the bucket o' dice problems.

it has always been my favorite setting, I just never find a group that plays it...


I too, would love to find a group to get in for Shadowrun. Great setting, lends itself to some very memorable characters. Not sure decking really works in a game setting though.
 
2012-12-26 01:21:14 PM  
Hardcore tabletop RPG geeks wouldn't have stopped playing the original yet.
 
2012-12-26 01:22:10 PM  

mooseyfate: Hardcore tabletop RPG geeks wouldn't have stopped playing the original yet.


This.  Though 4e is pretty well done too.
 
2012-12-26 01:23:23 PM  

Where wolf: Ennuipoet: I really enjoyed the premise to Shadowrun (the pen and paper game, I never played the video game) but it's implementation was rough.  I think a well done MMO might be interesting.

the third edition cleaned up a lot of the mechanics and the bucket o' dice problems.

it has always been my favorite setting, I just never find a group that plays it...


EIP if anyone wants to start a Shadowrun via Skype game.  I have some experience GMing if nobody else wants to do it.
 
2012-12-26 01:24:12 PM  
Great news, chummers!
 
2012-12-26 01:25:16 PM  

Quantumbunny: Where wolf: Ennuipoet: I really enjoyed the premise to Shadowrun (the pen and paper game, I never played the video game) but it's implementation was rough.  I think a well done MMO might be interesting.

the third edition cleaned up a lot of the mechanics and the bucket o' dice problems.

it has always been my favorite setting, I just never find a group that plays it...

I too, would love to find a group to get in for Shadowrun. Great setting, lends itself to some very memorable characters. Not sure decking really works in a game setting though.


The only problem with decking is that usually the whole group can't do it. It was designed to be a dungeon crawl with the ICE as the monsters.

I have never seen a game with mechanics as farked up as Shadowrun's (1st and 2nd ed). Your odds of hitting were cut in half changing the difficulty from 5 to 6 and didn't change at all changing from 6 to 7. It was made by people who didn't understand math at all. However, the world was awesome.

I'm looking forward to the remake. I'd love to see a Shadowrun-WoD crossover, with Vampires, Werewolves, etc. in a world where the Darkness creatures couldn't fight their way out of problems.
 
2012-12-26 01:26:17 PM  

Quantumbunny: Where wolf: Ennuipoet: I really enjoyed the premise to Shadowrun (the pen and paper game, I never played the video game) but it's implementation was rough.  I think a well done MMO might be interesting.

the third edition cleaned up a lot of the mechanics and the bucket o' dice problems.

it has always been my favorite setting, I just never find a group that plays it...

I too, would love to find a group to get in for Shadowrun. Great setting, lends itself to some very memorable characters. Not sure decking really works in a game setting though.


Could work really well for an MMORPG, like was said.

The game coming to a halt while the decker got to run his own little side-game was a problem in tabletop, but could probably be resolved much better in an MMO.
 
2012-12-26 01:35:10 PM  

IronJelly: Where wolf: Ennuipoet: I really enjoyed the premise to Shadowrun (the pen and paper game, I never played the video game) but it's implementation was rough.  I think a well done MMO might be interesting.

the third edition cleaned up a lot of the mechanics and the bucket o' dice problems.

it has always been my favorite setting, I just never find a group that plays it...

EIP if anyone wants to start a Shadowrun via Skype game.  I have some experience GMing if nobody else wants to do it.


I'd be down, maybe even to gm. your eip isn't showing up, but I'm on my tablet so I'll try from home tonight.

what are your thoughts on using something like table top forge our roll 20?
 
2012-12-26 01:35:32 PM  

cretinbob: One of the best SNES games ever.


The Sega Genesis version was pretty awesome too.
 
2012-12-26 01:35:51 PM  

Silverstaff: Quantumbunny: Where wolf: Ennuipoet: I really enjoyed the premise to Shadowrun (the pen and paper game, I never played the video game) but it's implementation was rough.  I think a well done MMO might be interesting.

the third edition cleaned up a lot of the mechanics and the bucket o' dice problems.

it has always been my favorite setting, I just never find a group that plays it...

I too, would love to find a group to get in for Shadowrun. Great setting, lends itself to some very memorable characters. Not sure decking really works in a game setting though.

Could work really well for an MMORPG, like was said.

The game coming to a halt while the decker got to run his own little side-game was a problem in tabletop, but could probably be resolved much better in an MMO.


Eh, I foresee the MMO decker just having to have certain talents that decide his success rate. No one is going to want to sit around even if it's just 30 seconds to a minute for the Decker to do his own thing. Maybe initially it would be tolerated, but folks would get pretty tired of it eventually. Personally I'd just rather have an updated video game. Besides the fact that finding anyone in my area for any tabletop RPG is damn near impossible, and I no longer have the patience the sit through reading various manuals to figure out what I'm doing, I've grown tired of MMO's and games with multiplayer.
 
2012-12-26 01:37:25 PM  

Silverstaff: Quantumbunny: Where wolf: Ennuipoet: I really enjoyed the premise to Shadowrun (the pen and paper game, I never played the video game) but it's implementation was rough.  I think a well done MMO might be interesting.

the third edition cleaned up a lot of the mechanics and the bucket o' dice problems.

it has always been my favorite setting, I just never find a group that plays it...

I too, would love to find a group to get in for Shadowrun. Great setting, lends itself to some very memorable characters. Not sure decking really works in a game setting though.

Could work really well for an MMORPG, like was said.

The game coming to a halt while the decker got to run his own little side-game was a problem in tabletop, but could probably be resolved much better in an MMO.


it was a little better in 4e, because the matrix was wireless. there was less "let's leave the elf plugged in here" than before. still a challenge, but more akin to invisible mage spirits if you played it fast and loose.
 
2012-12-26 01:38:37 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: The only problem with decking is that usually the whole group can't do it. It was designed to be a dungeon crawl with the ICE as the monsters.


Silverstaff:
The game coming to a halt while the decker got to run his own little side-game was a problem in tabletop, but could probably be resolved much better in an MMO.



My GM just controlled the decker as an in-party NPC, and ran the hacking scenarios on his own prior to game time. If the party decided to hack something, he would pull out his list of whether or not he had succeeded or not, and let the players no. Hacking was virtually instant as a result.
 
2012-12-26 01:39:11 PM  
Did they remove the 4E filth from it?
 
2012-12-26 01:49:15 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: Silverstaff: Quantumbunny: Where wolf: Ennuipoet: I really enjoyed the premise to Shadowrun (the pen and paper game, I never played the video game) but it's implementation was rough.  I think a well done MMO might be interesting.

the third edition cleaned up a lot of the mechanics and the bucket o' dice problems.

it has always been my favorite setting, I just never find a group that plays it...

I too, would love to find a group to get in for Shadowrun. Great setting, lends itself to some very memorable characters. Not sure decking really works in a game setting though.

Could work really well for an MMORPG, like was said.

The game coming to a halt while the decker got to run his own little side-game was a problem in tabletop, but could probably be resolved much better in an MMO.

Eh, I foresee the MMO decker just having to have certain talents that decide his success rate. No one is going to want to sit around even if it's just 30 seconds to a minute for the Decker to do his own thing. Maybe initially it would be tolerated, but folks would get pretty tired of it eventually. Personally I'd just rather have an updated video game. Besides the fact that finding anyone in my area for any tabletop RPG is damn near impossible, and I no longer have the patience the sit through reading various manuals to figure out what I'm doing, I've grown tired of MMO's and games with multiplayer.


Many MMOs have parties or raid members split out to do stuff separately. Most notably to me, is the Titan raid in DDO (a few quests in DDO had similar required party split quests). It would be totally doable to have the rest of the party doing other stuff, while the decker did his thing.

With decking in particular it could work well because he could be unlocking doors, moving walls, and otherwise doing stuff to advance other party members. Some people may hate that only one class can do that, but aside from that, it is a viable option.

I'll likely give it a shot.
 
2012-12-26 01:50:55 PM  

IronJelly: Where wolf: Ennuipoet: I really enjoyed the premise to Shadowrun (the pen and paper game, I never played the video game) but it's implementation was rough.  I think a well done MMO might be interesting.

the third edition cleaned up a lot of the mechanics and the bucket o' dice problems.

it has always been my favorite setting, I just never find a group that plays it...

EIP if anyone wants to start a Shadowrun via Skype game.  I have some experience GMing if nobody else wants to do it.


I have never RPed via skype... is this actually viable?
 
2012-12-26 01:54:38 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: Silverstaff: Quantumbunny: Where wolf: Ennuipoet: I really enjoyed the premise to Shadowrun (the pen and paper game, I never played the video game) but it's implementation was rough.  I think a well done MMO might be interesting.

the third edition cleaned up a lot of the mechanics and the bucket o' dice problems.

it has always been my favorite setting, I just never find a group that plays it...

I too, would love to find a group to get in for Shadowrun. Great setting, lends itself to some very memorable characters. Not sure decking really works in a game setting though.

Could work really well for an MMORPG, like was said.

The game coming to a halt while the decker got to run his own little side-game was a problem in tabletop, but could probably be resolved much better in an MMO.

Eh, I foresee the MMO decker just having to have certain talents that decide his success rate. No one is going to want to sit around even if it's just 30 seconds to a minute for the Decker to do his own thing. Maybe initially it would be tolerated, but folks would get pretty tired of it eventually. Personally I'd just rather have an updated video game. Besides the fact that finding anyone in my area for any tabletop RPG is damn near impossible, and I no longer have the patience the sit through reading various manuals to figure out what I'm doing, I've grown tired of MMO's and games with multiplayer.


I see two ways, both unfortunately get rid of the custom topology stuff that was cool for the Decker (but killed the game for everyone else).


1) overlay the matrix on the real world, like a second vision mode. you see terminals, ICE, etc over your normal vision. The ICE guards server rooms rather than physical servers.


2) shift the Decker (and/or rigger) into a top-down view of the world. think Natural Selection /NS2, where one person has a completely different view of the world buy can still interact with the team in real time.

the biggest hurdle is what to do about time. hacking was supposed to be much faster than real time, but unless you put in a "bullet time" slowdown for everyone, it won't work. and slowing down the entire game will kill the enjoyment for others in a firefight.
 
2012-12-26 01:56:05 PM  

Quantumbunny: Many MMOs have parties or raid members split out to do stuff separately. Most notably to me, is the Titan raid in DDO (a few quests in DDO had similar required party split quests). It would be totally doable to have the rest of the party doing other stuff, while the decker did his thing.


DDO is the MMO I play the most (Zarachiel (17 Half-Elf FvS) on Cannith if anybody else is playing). Yeah, the Titan raid is outright impossible without a lot of splitting up the party. The spectral dragon from the Halloween special event was a good introduction to split-party raiding for lower level and more casual players.

I was thinking it could work with both splitting up the party for missions and raids, both with missions like the party fighting its way through a building while the decker tries to keep the security systems offline and keep opening doors, or they are in a raid fight while the decker is separately doing his thing to keep the mobs from re-spawning or keep the bosses shield down or something, or they could also have separate solo decker missions, so people playing deckers could get their hacking on big time and in detail without a whole party sitting around waiting.
 
2012-12-26 02:07:17 PM  

GreenAdder: Did they remove the 4E filth from it?


hey, I happen to LIKE shadowrun 4th edition.
 
2012-12-26 02:09:23 PM  
Ahh, 2013, "the Year of Shadowrun". Should make Origins and GenCon interesting for us all. 2 video games, a minis game, a deck builder game, and a board game...
 
2012-12-26 02:34:04 PM  

Weaver95: GreenAdder: Did they remove the 4E filth from it?

hey, I happen to LIKE shadowrun 4th edition.


Same here. We've barely gotten to use all the stuff we've bought (my group is hip-deep into Savage Worlds), so I've still got new SR4 product from Gen Con sitting around in shrink wrap.

Now I have to decide whether to sell it off, whether to buy into 5E... ugh. The same cutthroat development cycle that WOTC was running with D&D.
 
2012-12-26 02:46:04 PM  
The best representation of decking I've seen was in a Half-life mod Dystopia, here's the description:

Being a cyberpunk-themed mod, Dystopia naturally has some sort of cyberspace setting. To access cyberspace, a player must equip one of two "cyberdeck" implants and find a Jack-In Point, or JIP (a sort of Brain-computer interface). Players who equip either of these implants are commonly referred to as "deckers". Cyberspace is a 3D representation of a computer network, and certain actions in cyberspace will trigger events in reality ('Meatspace').[7]

The gameplay in cyberspace is significantly different from that of Meatspace. When a player enters cyberspace, they merely project an avatar of themselves into cyberspace. Cyberspace inherently has no gravity and little sense of up or down. Each map's cyberspace consists of links and nodes. Links are long, curved square tunnels that resemble the fibers in a fiber optic cable. Nodes are large rooms that often appear convoluted inside, and they often resemble an M. C. Escher image in complexity. While in cyberspace, the player can move between nodes on the network and launches a variety of programs against enemy deckers and terminals which control meatspace objects such as doors, security systems, cameras, phone systems, lifts and PA systems.[7] Whilst the player is in cyberspace instead of taking damage to regular Health Points, Energy is lost when various actions are performed. When a player's energy runs out, they are ejected from cyberspace, leaving behind a cyber-shard, (a type of crystal made entirely out of the energy lost from the player whilst they were in cyberspace).[8]
 
2012-12-26 02:56:30 PM  

Starhawk: Weaver95: GreenAdder: Did they remove the 4E filth from it?

hey, I happen to LIKE shadowrun 4th edition.

Same here. We've barely gotten to use all the stuff we've bought (my group is hip-deep into Savage Worlds), so I've still got new SR4 product from Gen Con sitting around in shrink wrap.

Now I have to decide whether to sell it off, whether to buy into 5E... ugh. The same cutthroat development cycle that WOTC was running with D&D.


to be fair, sr4 has been out for years, probably around dnd3e. nowhere near the cycle for wotc.
 
2012-12-26 02:57:34 PM  

Weaver95: GreenAdder: Did they remove the 4E filth from it?

hey, I happen to LIKE shadowrun 4th edition.


I do too. It's a hell of a lot easier to run/play than the 2nd/3rd editions I played in high school.
 
2012-12-26 03:21:48 PM  

MisatoNERV: Weaver95: GreenAdder: Did they remove the 4E filth from it?

hey, I happen to LIKE shadowrun 4th edition.

I do too. It's a hell of a lot easier to run/play than the 2nd/3rd editions I played in high school.


I like the point value system.  explain how to build a character, set a point value...and let the players run wild.  400 points is 400 points is 400 points.  so if someone wants to make a vampire combat mage with a sewer view apartment and a psychotic pyromaniac gnome as a roomie, they can do it...and they'll be as balanced as the rigger who lives in his LAV combat vehicle, hates nukaburgers and thinks the world is run by a secret conspiracy of immortal elves.
 
2012-12-26 03:27:56 PM  
MMM CYBER YAHTZEE!!!! CANNOT WAIT :)

It's been a LONG time since i played.

And my current D&D game is circling the drain.
 
2012-12-26 03:33:35 PM  

Quantumbunny: IronJelly: Where wolf: Ennuipoet: I really enjoyed the premise to Shadowrun (the pen and paper game, I never played the video game) but it's implementation was rough.  I think a well done MMO might be interesting.

the third edition cleaned up a lot of the mechanics and the bucket o' dice problems.

it has always been my favorite setting, I just never find a group that plays it...

EIP if anyone wants to start a Shadowrun via Skype game.  I have some experience GMing if nobody else wants to do it.

I have never RPed via skype... is this actually viable?


I moved last year to a city that has almost no gamers in it (that i've found anyway, unless I want to collect MTG cards again).  I currently play two games via skype.  One is a few members of my former nerd-herd from back home, and i'm basically a laptop to them, looking at the GM.   The other group is entirely on Skype, and seems to work just fine.  A lot of it depends on the GM style.  It would be harder to have tactical grid-based combat via skype, and the entirely skype game is a lot less combat oriented and more RP oriented, which seems to work fine.

I've never used maptools in a Skype game before, but I think that's how I would handle a grid and tactical combat.  I would like to use it if I GM a game via skype, but since i've never used it, there would be a learning curve to overcome.  Even if the game is just voices, I have a good time with it.
 
2012-12-26 03:34:19 PM  

Weaver95: MisatoNERV: Weaver95: GreenAdder: Did they remove the 4E filth from it?

hey, I happen to LIKE shadowrun 4th edition.

I do too. It's a hell of a lot easier to run/play than the 2nd/3rd editions I played in high school.

I like the point value system.  explain how to build a character, set a point value...and let the players run wild.  400 points is 400 points is 400 points.  so if someone wants to make a vampire combat mage with a sewer view apartment and a psychotic pyromaniac gnome as a roomie, they can do it...and they'll be as balanced as the rigger who lives in his LAV combat vehicle, hates nukaburgers and thinks the world is run by a secret conspiracy of immortal elves.


that sound like a great campaign!

reminds me of the V:tM Sabbat campaign I was in from years ago with the pyro Malkin who had flamethrower in his gimp suit, but auto failed any frenzy roll out of his suit...
 
2012-12-26 03:41:46 PM  

Weaver95: MisatoNERV: Weaver95: GreenAdder: Did they remove the 4E filth from it?

hey, I happen to LIKE shadowrun 4th edition.

I do too. It's a hell of a lot easier to run/play than the 2nd/3rd editions I played in high school.

I like the point value system.  explain how to build a character, set a point value...and let the players run wild.  400 points is 400 points is 400 points.  so if someone wants to make a vampire combat mage with a sewer view apartment and a psychotic pyromaniac gnome as a roomie, they can do it...and they'll be as balanced as the rigger who lives in his LAV combat vehicle, hates nukaburgers and thinks the world is run by a secret conspiracy of immortal elves.


Didja like points better than priorities?
 
2012-12-26 03:43:32 PM  

IronJelly: Quantumbunny: IronJelly: Where wolf: Ennuipoet: I really enjoyed the premise to Shadowrun (the pen and paper game, I never played the video game) but it's implementation was rough.  I think a well done MMO might be interesting.

the third edition cleaned up a lot of the mechanics and the bucket o' dice problems.

it has always been my favorite setting, I just never find a group that plays it...

EIP if anyone wants to start a Shadowrun via Skype game.  I have some experience GMing if nobody else wants to do it.

I have never RPed via skype... is this actually viable?

I moved last year to a city that has almost no gamers in it (that i've found anyway, unless I want to collect MTG cards again).  I currently play two games via skype.  One is a few members of my former nerd-herd from back home, and i'm basically a laptop to them, looking at the GM.   The other group is entirely on Skype, and seems to work just fine.  A lot of it depends on the GM style.  It would be harder to have tactical grid-based combat via skype, and the entirely skype game is a lot less combat oriented and more RP oriented, which seems to work fine.

I've never used maptools in a Skype game before, but I think that's how I would handle a grid and tactical combat.  I would like to use it if I GM a game via skype, but since i've never used it, there would be a learning curve to overcome.  Even if the game is just voices, I have a good time with it.


I want to play with roll20 when I get home tonight. you can integrate it directly into a Google hangout or have voice and video just in the roll 20 suite. it could be awesome
 
2012-12-26 03:44:28 PM  

Weaver95: I like the point value system.  explain how to build a character, set a point value...and let the players run wild.  400 points is 400 points is 400 points.  so if someone wants to make a vampire combat mage with a sewer view apartment and a psychotic pyromaniac gnome as a roomie, they can do it...and they'll be as balanced as the rigger who lives in his LAV combat vehicle, hates nukaburgers and thinks the world is run by a secret conspiracy of immortal elves.


This.  It's also why I'm a huge fan of HERO.  The freedom to build the character you think you would enjoy and make it work is so much better than the cookie-cutter system.  We always used to say, ' "That's the wrong way to do that" is a D&Dism.  "That's one way to accomplish that" is a HEROism. '  And seriously, we've had such interesting and bizarre characters in our games.  I was once a robot with welding lasers in a campaign that included Dhalsim from Street Fighter, a goblin from World of Warcraft, and a Speedster superhero.  Somehow, it all worked pretty well together too.

I've had an idea for a SR character who is a technophile that believes the Clarke law that "sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" has come to pass.  As a result, he has a bunch of technology and tech-related abilities, but paints it all with meaningless runes and talks about it like it's mysticism.
 
2012-12-26 03:46:53 PM  
Hell, my gaming group still refuses to move on from 3rd edition...

Where wolf: I see two ways, both unfortunately get rid of the custom topology stuff that was cool for the Decker (but killed the game for everyone else).


1) overlay the matrix on the real world, like a second vision mode. you see terminals, ICE, etc over your normal vision. The ICE guards server rooms rather than physical servers.


So basically a differently-flavored astral perception/space?  That sounds.....pretty good, actually.
 
2012-12-26 03:51:14 PM  

Huck Chaser: Hell, my gaming group still refuses to move on from 3rd edition...

Where wolf: I see two ways, both unfortunately get rid of the custom topology stuff that was cool for the Decker (but killed the game for everyone else).


1) overlay the matrix on the real world, like a second vision mode. you see terminals, ICE, etc over your normal vision. The ICE guards server rooms rather than physical servers.

So basically a differently-flavored astral perception/space?  That sounds.....pretty good, actually.


the 4e started to go there with integrating your commlink and your eyes/goggles. pop up ads, gang rfid tags, etc. even normal tech characters had a digital overlay.

that's part of why I liked the 4e evolution of the story. they started predicting the things we're seeing today, just as the first editions did.
 
2012-12-26 04:09:24 PM  
Never got into Shadowrun. D&D, Robotech, Gamma World, even had a little tryst with Vampire, Werewolf & Changeling. Still up for the occasional RPG now & then.

Im more of a miniatures gamer now. Started with Battletech, eventually 40k and a few others. Love Heroscape, its still a house favorite. New found favorites are Ganesha Games Song of Blades & Heroes (fantasy skirmish) and 15mm armor...made my own rules inspired by Panzer 8.
 
2012-12-26 04:22:08 PM  

IronJelly: Where wolf: Ennuipoet: I really enjoyed the premise to Shadowrun (the pen and paper game, I never played the video game) but it's implementation was rough.  I think a well done MMO might be interesting.

the third edition cleaned up a lot of the mechanics and the bucket o' dice problems.

it has always been my favorite setting, I just never find a group that plays it...

EIP if anyone wants to start a Shadowrun via Skype game.  I have some experience GMing if nobody else wants to do it.


Google hangouts work better.
 
2012-12-26 04:34:13 PM  
Anyone interested should take a look at www(dot)DnDOnlinegames(dot)com it's a great gaming site that I play on, and has a pretty ridiculously high population for a Play-by-Post site. Send me a message if you are interested, I would love to play some Shadowrun!
 
2012-12-26 04:45:50 PM  

cretinbob: One of the best SNES games ever.


1000% THIS and THAT.

I'm still waiting for the sequel that was promised at the end of the game, dammit!
 
2012-12-26 04:46:58 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Quantumbunny: Where wolf: Ennuipoet: I really enjoyed the premise to Shadowrun (the pen and paper game, I never played the video game) but it's implementation was rough.  I think a well done MMO might be interesting.

the third edition cleaned up a lot of the mechanics and the bucket o' dice problems.

it has always been my favorite setting, I just never find a group that plays it...

I too, would love to find a group to get in for Shadowrun. Great setting, lends itself to some very memorable characters. Not sure decking really works in a game setting though.

The only problem with decking is that usually the whole group can't do it. It was designed to be a dungeon crawl with the ICE as the monsters.

I have never seen a game with mechanics as farked up as Shadowrun's (1st and 2nd ed). Your odds of hitting were cut in half changing the difficulty from 5 to 6 and didn't change at all changing from 6 to 7. It was made by people who didn't understand math at all. However, the world was awesome.

I'm looking forward to the remake. I'd love to see a Shadowrun-WoD crossover, with Vampires, Werewolves, etc. in a world where the Darkness creatures couldn't fight their way out of problems.


Interestingly, 4e rules do seem to have taken some explicit notes from WoD, so it'd probably be easier to do as a crossover (seriously, the folks running the two campaigns I'm in have described 4e Shadowrun as "Storyteller System (WoD system) with D6's instead of D10s", and it's NOT that far from the truth).
 
2012-12-26 05:01:08 PM  

Huck Chaser: Hell, my gaming group still refuses to move on from 3rd edition...

Where wolf: I see two ways, both unfortunately get rid of the custom topology stuff that was cool for the Decker (but killed the game for everyone else).


1) overlay the matrix on the real world, like a second vision mode. you see terminals, ICE, etc over your normal vision. The ICE guards server rooms rather than physical servers.

So basically a differently-flavored astral perception/space?  That sounds.....pretty good, actually.


Honestly, since they threw otaku into SR (otaku being the cybermage-esque "deckers sans deck", not anime fanboys :D) that's how I pretty much pictured the Matrix working for deckers anyways, and it's nice that it's made rather more explicit in 4e :D

(Then again, I don't do deckers that much. The first Shadowrun char I had led me to be forbidden to play a mage in our circles--rather toxic cat shaman who pretty much had a literal altar to Evil Goodbye Kitty in their hovel--and pretty much now I'm doing the Most Irish Wall Of Meat And Horns Evar which specialises in hitting things and making them fall down. Street sams are surprisingly therapeutic :D)

/then again, all RPGs we play tend to degenerate into their world's version of Slayers in my circle--which makes it fun :D
 
2012-12-26 05:15:17 PM  
I've played rpg's by chat and computer a little. It sorta works depending on the group. Interested in this though my experiences with shadowrun are great setting questionable math, and groups that play once or twice then go back to D&D .

Sultan of Herf do you still play battletech? Have you played with Megamek at all?
 
2012-12-26 05:58:38 PM  

Quantumbunny: IronJelly: Where wolf: Ennuipoet: I really enjoyed the premise to Shadowrun (the pen and paper game, I never played the video game) but it's implementation was rough.  I think a well done MMO might be interesting.

the third edition cleaned up a lot of the mechanics and the bucket o' dice problems.

it has always been my favorite setting, I just never find a group that plays it...

EIP if anyone wants to start a Shadowrun via Skype game.  I have some experience GMing if nobody else wants to do it.

I have never RPed via skype... is this actually viable?


Yes. Run pathfinder with it and Maptools for a virtual desktop, works great.
 
2012-12-26 06:28:37 PM  
Link to CGL presser: http://www.catalystgamelabs.com/download/The%20Year%20of%20Shadowrun.p df
 
2012-12-26 06:41:53 PM  
Heh. My last Shadowrun character was Heavy Metal, a heavily cybered troll with big guns. For some rules reason I can't recall it was useful for him to have a decent intelligence, slightly above average even, so I played him dumb but as an intentional disguise because people expected big cybered trolls to be dumb. Before that was Grace, a barrio apartment manager Physical Adept dual pistols kinda guy. He died due to freaking out and abandoning the rest of the crew due to a fear of ghouls, then once he recovered gunning his bike and going charging back in while the rest of the crew was stealthing and going it invisible. Ghouls with rocket launchers. Who knew?
 
2012-12-26 06:59:58 PM  
Tabletop gaming thread? Wheee!

Currently painting a Hero Quest set to use as a sort of intro/prep to an eventual DnD campaign, but people have gotten really into the simplicity of things, so we've started adding new minis to the set, and people have been buying me stuff to paint.

I know my painting is shiat, and people on mini-painting forums are so brutal (apparently even newbies are supposed to be able to do 3-tone drybrushing and wet blending)- so I figure this is one of the few places I can post snaps of my efforts and not feel like I should give up and throw everything away b/c I suck at this stuff.

Any other painters out there? Could use a few pointers on a few specifics.

This is about what I can do at present:
i830.photobucket.com
Gargoyle from Hero Quest; the Orc is some orc commander from Reaper.

Also:
i830.photobucket.com
i830.photobucket.com
Ogre Champion from Battle Masters. Not anywhere near done, but he was sitting there while I was taking pictures anyway.

/for the lulz, of course
 
2012-12-26 07:02:14 PM  

Quantumbunny: IronJelly: Where wolf: Ennuipoet: I really enjoyed the premise to Shadowrun (the pen and paper game, I never played the video game) but it's implementation was rough.  I think a well done MMO might be interesting.

the third edition cleaned up a lot of the mechanics and the bucket o' dice problems.

it has always been my favorite setting, I just never find a group that plays it...

EIP if anyone wants to start a Shadowrun via Skype game.  I have some experience GMing if nobody else wants to do it.

I have never RPed via skype... is this actually viable?


Have you checked out roll20.net? That might fit some some of your needs for running a game and give you more tools

/looked it over and it seemed pretty cool
 
2012-12-26 07:22:16 PM  

grinding_journalist: This is about what I can do at present:


Nice job! Looks a hell of a lot better than any Battletech minis I painted, that's for sure.
 
2012-12-26 07:25:42 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: Of all the cyberpunk games, I liked SHADOWRUN the best since, somehow, the mixing in the
magical/fantasy elements mitigated the nihilism and depression for me.


That's exactly why I liked Shadowrun least of the cyberpunk games.
 
2012-12-26 07:33:15 PM  

neuroflare: Nice job! Looks a hell of a lot better than any Battletech minis I painted, that's for sure.


Thanks! I posted a higher-res image of the orc on some tabletop forum with a painting subsection, and my thread turned into "hey, this guy has provided us an excellent example of what NOT to do!" and received no actual helpful criticism, just lots of "I hope yur 12 cuz your colors suk lol".

I am my own worst critic; the gaming group loves my stuff but I can't look at anything I've done without thinking it could have been done better. I want to do some scifi stuff too- I have a unit of space marines that I wanna do just for variety's sake, and I'd love doing a MadCat Mk2 just to have on my desk.

It's an odd hobby, to be sure- spending 45 minutes adjusting the gold piping on the back of the right bracer cuff of an elven regular sounds dumb when you describe it that way to other people, but if you're actually doing it, you understand immediately. My biggest issue right now is brush maintenance and upkeep- inevitably, because I'm using 1/0, 3/0, and 10/0 points, the paint dries into them and essentially turns them into toothpicks. I've used different thinners, simple green, etc, and they all end up this way, and I can't fix them by breaking them up since that'll destroy the fine point I need. Thoughts?
 
2012-12-26 08:15:15 PM  

grinding_journalist: I know my painting is shiat, and people on mini-painting forums are so brutal (apparently even newbies are supposed to be able to do 3-tone drybrushing and wet blending)- so I figure this is one of the few places I can post snaps of my efforts and not feel like I should give up and throw everything away b/c I suck at this stuff.


Your painting looks pretty good. I don't really have any advice, other than *maybe* try for simplicity in your color scheme if you're new to painting.

I've been experimenting with dipping, which is a great way to crank out a lot of miniatures relatively easily, but not a great way of improving skill. But it is fun, and I'm working with crappy miniatures that I don't want to invest too much time into.
 
2012-12-26 09:08:36 PM  
I really like the gargoyle. I think it's a very good job, but yeah, the miniatures forums make this place look like Dora the Explorer online. I never bothered with minis because I have about zero patience.
 
2012-12-26 10:13:25 PM  
I ran 2nd and 3rd editions for several years, then the group fell apart. I would love to get back into Shadowrun. Was thinking of finally grabbing 4th edition, but I think I'll just wait for the 5th stuff now.

i've really missed this game.
 
2012-12-26 10:28:40 PM  

grinding_journalist: neuroflare: Nice job! Looks a hell of a lot better than any Battletech minis I painted, that's for sure.

Thanks! I posted a higher-res image of the orc on some tabletop forum with a painting subsection, and my thread turned into "hey, this guy has provided us an excellent example of what NOT to do!" and received no actual helpful criticism, just lots of "I hope yur 12 cuz your colors suk lol".

I am my own worst critic; the gaming group loves my stuff but I can't look at anything I've done without thinking it could have been done better. I want to do some scifi stuff too- I have a unit of space marines that I wanna do just for variety's sake, and I'd love doing a MadCat Mk2 just to have on my desk.

It's an odd hobby, to be sure- spending 45 minutes adjusting the gold piping on the back of the right bracer cuff of an elven regular sounds dumb when you describe it that way to other people, but if you're actually doing it, you understand immediately. My biggest issue right now is brush maintenance and upkeep- inevitably, because I'm using 1/0, 3/0, and 10/0 points, the paint dries into them and essentially turns them into toothpicks. I've used different thinners, simple green, etc, and they all end up this way, and I can't fix them by breaking them up since that'll destroy the fine point I need. Thoughts?


There's a type of beeswax-like product you can get at Michael's/Hobby Lobby in with the fancy oil paints that will really keep the brushes in line.  I haven't painted in years, so I can't remember the name.

But if you really want to have fun, lose the brushes and get a Badger
http://www.badgerairbrush.com/Renegade_Series.asp

You'll probably need two, because the renegades are too fine for larger work.  But getting good with an airbrush will save you time and people will be amazed.

Hell, back when I was painting I wasn't even good and they came out OK.
This entire tank took me probably under an hour, most of which was cutting masks.  Then I was dumb and let someone borrow (and break) my brush, so I've never finished the set, really.  I wish I had some pics of my Dark Eldar, but I sold them.


lh3.googleusercontent.comlh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-12-26 10:32:45 PM  

IronJelly: Quantumbunny: IronJelly: Where wolf: Ennuipoet: I really enjoyed the premise to Shadowrun (the pen and paper game, I never played the video game) but it's implementation was rough.  I think a well done MMO might be interesting.

the third edition cleaned up a lot of the mechanics and the bucket o' dice problems.

it has always been my favorite setting, I just never find a group that plays it...

EIP if anyone wants to start a Shadowrun via Skype game.  I have some experience GMing if nobody else wants to do it.

I have never RPed via skype... is this actually viable?

I moved last year to a city that has almost no gamers in it (that i've found anyway, unless I want to collect MTG cards again).  I currently play two games via skype.  One is a few members of my former nerd-herd from back home, and i'm basically a laptop to them, looking at the GM.   The other group is entirely on Skype, and seems to work just fine.  A lot of it depends on the GM style.  It would be harder to have tactical grid-based combat via skype, and the entirely skype game is a lot less combat oriented and more RP oriented, which seems to work fine.

I've never used maptools in a Skype game before, but I think that's how I would handle a grid and tactical combat.  I would like to use it if I GM a game via skype, but since i've never used it, there would be a learning curve to overcome.  Even if the game is just voices, I have a good time with it.


I've been playing with roll20 for the better part of the evening, and I have to say I like it.  If you're still interested in playing (or running) a game, we should talk.  There's at least a few players interested on some of the "official" Sr4 forums. I don't know if I have the chops to run a campaign though, but I'd be willing to try.
 
2012-12-27 12:51:22 AM  
I am pleased to see so many shadowrun fans. I think I have EIP; folks should hit me up!
 
2012-12-27 12:53:31 AM  
Meh I don't see it. My username at gmail. I also have a bunch of experience GMing if nobody else is interested.
 
2012-12-27 05:20:53 AM  

grinding_journalist: neuroflare: Nice job! Looks a hell of a lot better than any Battletech minis I painted, that's for sure.

Thanks! I posted a higher-res image of the orc on some tabletop forum with a painting subsection, and my thread turned into "hey, this guy has provided us an excellent example of what NOT to do!" and received no actual helpful criticism, just lots of "I hope yur 12 cuz your colors suk lol".

I am my own worst critic; the gaming group loves my stuff but I can't look at anything I've done without thinking it could have been done better. I want to do some scifi stuff too- I have a unit of space marines that I wanna do just for variety's sake, and I'd love doing a MadCat Mk2 just to have on my desk.

It's an odd hobby, to be sure- spending 45 minutes adjusting the gold piping on the back of the right bracer cuff of an elven regular sounds dumb when you describe it that way to other people, but if you're actually doing it, you understand immediately. My biggest issue right now is brush maintenance and upkeep- inevitably, because I'm using 1/0, 3/0, and 10/0 points, the paint dries into them and essentially turns them into toothpicks. I've used different thinners, simple green, etc, and they all end up this way, and I can't fix them by breaking them up since that'll destroy the fine point I need. Thoughts?


I like to use this stuff to clean my brushes:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0009RR T9Y

You can get it at hobby lobby. It works like a champ.
 
2012-12-27 05:34:19 AM  
I miss my SR game. (4th)

Well, maybe in the new year we'll pick it up again. I think we're deep in the bowels of V:tM, though, for the time being.
 
2012-12-27 07:44:03 AM  
I remember a third party program that allowed someone to do decking while everyone else delt with the GM directly. The GM could either pre-build the net, or just have the world build itself based on how difficult they thought it would be.
 
2012-12-27 09:07:52 AM  
Old school board games? Star Fleet Battles. That is all.
 
2012-12-27 09:40:41 AM  

Where wolf: grinding_journalist: neuroflare: Nice job! Looks a hell of a lot better than any Battletech minis I painted, that's for sure.

Thanks! I posted a higher-res image of the orc on some tabletop forum with a painting subsection, and my thread turned into "hey, this guy has provided us an excellent example of what NOT to do!" and received no actual helpful criticism, just lots of "I hope yur 12 cuz your colors suk lol".

I am my own worst critic; the gaming group loves my stuff but I can't look at anything I've done without thinking it could have been done better. I want to do some scifi stuff too- I have a unit of space marines that I wanna do just for variety's sake, and I'd love doing a MadCat Mk2 just to have on my desk.

It's an odd hobby, to be sure- spending 45 minutes adjusting the gold piping on the back of the right bracer cuff of an elven regular sounds dumb when you describe it that way to other people, but if you're actually doing it, you understand immediately. My biggest issue right now is brush maintenance and upkeep- inevitably, because I'm using 1/0, 3/0, and 10/0 points, the paint dries into them and essentially turns them into toothpicks. I've used different thinners, simple green, etc, and they all end up this way, and I can't fix them by breaking them up since that'll destroy the fine point I need. Thoughts?

There's a type of beeswax-like product you can get at Michael's/Hobby Lobby in with the fancy oil paints that will really keep the brushes in line.  I haven't painted in years, so I can't remember the name.

But if you really want to have fun, lose the brushes and get a Badger
http://www.badgerairbrush.com/Renegade_Series.asp

You'll probably need two, because the renegades are too fine for larger work.  But getting good with an airbrush will save you time and people will be amazed.

Hell, back when I was painting I wasn't even good and they came out OK.
This entire tank took me probably under an hour, most of which was cutting masks.  Then I w ...


TAU?!? My mortal nemesis!

lh3.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-12-27 01:26:36 PM  

Quantumbunny: IronJelly: Where wolf: Ennuipoet: I really enjoyed the premise to Shadowrun (the pen and paper game, I never played the video game) but it's implementation was rough.  I think a well done MMO might be interesting.

the third edition cleaned up a lot of the mechanics and the bucket o' dice problems.

it has always been my favorite setting, I just never find a group that plays it...

EIP if anyone wants to start a Shadowrun via Skype game.  I have some experience GMing if nobody else wants to do it.

I have never RPed via skype... is this actually viable?


There are 5-6 of us Farkers RPing via Skype and Maptools every Thursday. We're running two different Pathfinder Campaigns. One is an RP cross country quest and the other seems like it's going to be a pure underground puzzle/combat fest.

Having Pathfinder rules for free is certainly helping a lot.
 
2012-12-27 06:11:32 PM  

Girion47: Quantumbunny: IronJelly: Where wolf: Ennuipoet: I really enjoyed the premise to Shadowrun (the pen and paper game, I never played the video game) but it's implementation was rough.  I think a well done MMO might be interesting.

the third edition cleaned up a lot of the mechanics and the bucket o' dice problems.

it has always been my favorite setting, I just never find a group that plays it...

EIP if anyone wants to start a Shadowrun via Skype game.  I have some experience GMing if nobody else wants to do it.

I have never RPed via skype... is this actually viable?

There are 5-6 of us Farkers RPing via Skype and Maptools every Thursday. We're running two different Pathfinder Campaigns. One is an RP cross country quest and the other seems like it's going to be a pure underground puzzle/combat fest.

Having Pathfinder rules for free is certainly helping a lot.


Y'all are making me want to play something other than AD&D 2e. Quit it.
 
2012-12-27 07:04:37 PM  

mooseyfate: Y'all are making me want to play something other than AD&D 2e. Quit it.


I can break out my Hackmaster books...
 
2012-12-27 11:58:55 PM  

mooseyfate: Girion47: Quantumbunny: IronJelly: Where wolf: Ennuipoet: I really enjoyed the premise to Shadowrun (the pen and paper game, I never played the video game) but it's implementation was rough.  I think a well done MMO might be interesting.

the third edition cleaned up a lot of the mechanics and the bucket o' dice problems.

it has always been my favorite setting, I just never find a group that plays it...

EIP if anyone wants to start a Shadowrun via Skype game.  I have some experience GMing if nobody else wants to do it.

I have never RPed via skype... is this actually viable?

There are 5-6 of us Farkers RPing via Skype and Maptools every Thursday. We're running two different Pathfinder Campaigns. One is an RP cross country quest and the other seems like it's going to be a pure underground puzzle/combat fest.

Having Pathfinder rules for free is certainly helping a lot.

Y'all are making me want to play something other than AD&D 2e. Quit it.


NOPE! Come play with us... :)

Plus you get to meet a real girl RPGer ME! :)
 
2012-12-28 02:56:02 AM  

Migrating Coconut: Old school board games? Star Fleet Battles. That is all.


Man, that game was awesomely complicated.
 
2012-12-28 08:35:24 AM  

shortymac: mooseyfate: Girion47: Quantumbunny: IronJelly: Where wolf: Ennuipoet: I really enjoyed the premise to Shadowrun (the pen and paper game, I never played the video game) but it's implementation was rough.  I think a well done MMO might be interesting.

the third edition cleaned up a lot of the mechanics and the bucket o' dice problems.

it has always been my favorite setting, I just never find a group that plays it...

EIP if anyone wants to start a Shadowrun via Skype game.  I have some experience GMing if nobody else wants to do it.

I have never RPed via skype... is this actually viable?

There are 5-6 of us Farkers RPing via Skype and Maptools every Thursday. We're running two different Pathfinder Campaigns. One is an RP cross country quest and the other seems like it's going to be a pure underground puzzle/combat fest.

Having Pathfinder rules for free is certainly helping a lot.

Y'all are making me want to play something other than AD&D 2e. Quit it.

NOPE! Come play with us... :)

Plus you get to meet a real girl RPGer ME! :)


Not a real girl, fake voice invented by here supposed husband.
 
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