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(Daily Mail)   Philadelphia to put condom machines in public schools to help students have safe sex. Why? Their teachers can't afford to bring their own   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 30
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2012-12-25 10:04:00 PM  
6 votes:

beautifulbob: It is not the availability of condoms that drives a teen to sex.  It is the availability of a wide range of warm damp places to provide reduce friction.

ftfy.

We gave our son a hundred pack of condoms when we found out he was smashing the ass of a cheerleader and thought he got her pregnant. Come to find out he and all of his friends were having sex with all the little fast white chicks. None of them were wearing rubbers and one of them got a girl pregnant. They all come to our house for condoms because theyre too embarrassed to buy them. As long as they want them, I will provide them. IMO condoms should be free just like abortions should.
2012-12-25 10:19:18 PM  
3 votes:

NannyStatePark: My 13 year old daughter would like to thank the good folks over at Trojan for her existence. My 11 year old son, a forgotten pill. My opinion is that we are giving kids a false sense of security preaching condoms as a fail safe solution.

We don't like to talk about how sending black men to prison for drug crimes is ultimately creating an AIDS holocaust.


No one is preaching condoms as a fail safe solution. More like, "We know you're gonna fark, so please just wear these to decrease the risks of pregnancy and STDs."
2012-12-25 10:42:17 PM  
2 votes:
NannyStatePark: My 13 year old daughter would like to thank the good folks over at Trojan for her existence. My 11 year old son, a forgotten pill. My opinion is that we are giving kids a false sense of security preaching condoms as a fail safe solution.

I hear somebody died in a car accident while wearing a seat belt...
2012-12-25 10:36:56 PM  
2 votes:
How about we take them to a hospital where an aids patient is clinging for his life. Lets show them what some std's can do to their private parts. Show them what a 21 year old mother of three has to deal with. Lets see these outraged parents work with their snow flakes and not just put it on the parents.
2012-12-25 10:09:30 PM  
2 votes:
The dispensers are part of a pilot program that has sparked outrage among some parents in Philadelphia, who worry that free condoms will encourage their teens to engage in sex.

Hint: teens come pre-encouraged to have sex, courtesy of biology. The real question is whether you want them to become parents at 15.
2012-12-25 07:48:22 PM  
2 votes:
FTA:
Parents can opt their child out of the program by writing a letter to the school, but nurses are not required to maintain a list of which students are permitted to pick up condoms.
'Opt-out letters are to be maintained by the school office,' Assistant Superintendent Dennis W. Creedon wrote in a letter to school health officials. 'Students are to honor the wishes of their parents. If a student disrespects their guardian's directive, that is an issue of the home.'


So, basically, the school district gets to save a little bit of face by offering an 'opt out', but in reality opting out doesn't change the ability of that student to get the condoms - it's just sort of an official notice on record that the parents disapprove of it.

I'm OK with that actually, it's how it should be.  Lack of condoms isn't going to stop two horny teens from having sex, but it might  make them say 'fark it' when it comes to running down to the drugstore to buy a pack.  At least if they have then handy they're more likely to use them.
2012-12-28 01:27:44 AM  
1 votes:

machoprogrammer: Condoms are so cheap that it is a travesty they are not available for free in every school and health clinic on the planet. Hell, since HIV is rare among heterosexuals, assuming the more common STDs that condoms prevent (ie Gonorrhea), if the antibiotic to treat that is $50, then you could buy 200 condoms for that price (assuming 25 cents each). With HIV, which is way more costly, that goes even higher in the amount of money it saves. Not to mention the lives.


Your math will not impress the opponents, who don't even believe in evolution and biology. They have a faith based system that teenagers won't have sex, ever, if they don't know about condoms
2012-12-26 05:49:16 PM  
1 votes:
Condoms are so cheap that it is a travesty they are not available for free in every school and health clinic on the planet. Hell, since HIV is rare among heterosexuals, assuming the more common STDs that condoms prevent (ie Gonorrhea), if the antibiotic to treat that is $50, then you could buy 200 condoms for that price (assuming 25 cents each). With HIV, which is way more costly, that goes even higher in the amount of money it saves. Not to mention the lives.
2012-12-26 03:36:37 PM  
1 votes:

NannyStatePark: demaL-demaL-yeH: NannyStatePark: My 13 year old daughter would like to thank the good folks over at Trojan for her existence. My 11 year old son, a forgotten pill. My opinion is that we are giving kids a false sense of security preaching condoms as a fail safe solution.

[quizzical_dog.jpg]
1. You're supposed to use a spermicide with barrier methods. (At least that's what they taught me in sex ed class in school 'way back in the 70s. Are they teaching kids differently nowadays?) Plan B and Preven were approved for use in 1999 and 1998, respectively, if you had a barrier failure.
2. You forgot to take your pill and didn't use a backup?

/Sorry. Not buying it.

Yeah, cuz it's not like I had a baby and postpartum depression and figured I hadn't ovulated and wasn't all that worried about it because I was in the process of starting a young family and becoming a wife and homeowner in less than two years. I married him three months and seventeen days after we met, weeks pregnant, and our love just turned fourteen. My eleven year old was just bopped on the head for saying assnuggets. He was a twenty five year old virgin. It's all freaking true. Oh, and my daughter was conceived at around six thirty on 2-13-99, my dead grandfather's birthday. I looked so young the mailman asked for the lady of the house.

Go eat shiat.


No, thank you.
Do you know what's printed on the papers inside condom boxes and on the insides of the boxes themselves?
Do I even have to ask about what's in the instructions that came with your BCPs for missed doses?

/Your multiple misuses of contraception were negligent.
//And I, too, know when my children were conceived.
///Because they were planned, and we always used contraception properly.
2012-12-26 08:50:20 AM  
1 votes:
Let me just get these out of the way:

It is the city of brotherly love, after all.

media.gizmodo.co.uk
This guy is pissed

WHAT? We need God in our schools, not condoms!

/etc
//ad nauseum
///am disappoint
////low hanging fruit
//slashie!
2012-12-26 06:46:36 AM  
1 votes:

NannyStatePark: Ya know, Fark lawyers and shiat, never mind that jazz. If my kid comes home with condoms from some wanker, I'm sending over a 4 ft Grafix bong and seeing how they like it if I give their kids adult shiat they haven't been consulted about. They are legal til you actually burn the weed, just like condoms. If it breaks I could get sued so I will go with plastic, ala My First Bong by Fisher Price.


Where I live, they are illegal and are labeled "drug paraphernalia" whether you've loaded it up in the  past or not. Some people have said "I only use them for tobacco" and gotten away with it, but since giving tobacco to kids is also illegal where I live, you'd be screwed. Better  just have a face to face convo with the condom giver and let them know the only person who will be giving your kid a condom is you. And hopefully you do.
2012-12-26 06:44:16 AM  
1 votes:

ThrobblefootSpectre: Real Women Drink Akvavit: I don't think you could sue over a pregnancy due to a broken condom. How would you  prove the condom break rather than earlier, unprotected sex? Also, how would you prove  the condom had been used correctly in  the first place, and it wasn't sloppy application of the prophylactic device that caused the problem?

Probably only if it is shown that there was a systemic defect in a batch of condoms, (which would be very difficult for a private individual to do), the instructions for use, or the packaging. It has happened before and batches of condoms have been recalled by various manufacturers.

But at the end of the day, condoms ARE considered medical devices manufactured by pharmaceutical companies. They aren't toys. Specifically they are class II medical devices regulated by the FDA. If an IUD has a defect that affects the user adversely, a lawsuit (maybe unsuccessful) could result. If a pacemaker has a defect that affects the user adversely, a lawsuit could result. Condoms aren't uniquely exempted.


I did not know they were considered medical devices. Huh. Makes sense though if you think about it. Learn something new every day on Fark.

Doesn't change my stance that if a kid asks for a condom it means they are most likely sexually active and should be given one. Better safe than the entire community be sorry. Does change my view (somewhat) on the lawsuit thing, but as you said, it would be hard for an individual to prove.
2012-12-26 03:07:08 AM  
1 votes:

Real Women Drink Akvavit: I don't think you could sue over a pregnancy due to a broken condom. How would you  prove the condom break rather than earlier, unprotected sex? Also, how would you prove  the condom had been used correctly in  the first place, and it wasn't sloppy application of the prophylactic device that caused the problem?

I do not view things like STDs and teen pregnancy as "personal family matters" as once it happens, it's too late. It impacts the entire community in the long run, something I'm pretty sure everyone here is well aware of.


A similar question has come up. The funny part is that as a parallel to the case of "Wrongful Death", they called this "Wrongful Life".

The case in question was where a doctor didn't inform the parents of a birth defect that would have caused them to abort that fetus. The child was born with severe defects. The freakish part here is they're not suing for their OWN pain-and-suffering and medical bills, but on behalf of the child that wouldn't exist if they'd been warned.
2012-12-26 02:51:55 AM  
1 votes:

NannyStatePark: I'm not saying I think everyone thinks condoms are perfect and tell teens they are. But some people sure as heck seem to think giving teens condoms solves the problem. It helps, it's all we have now, but its a feel good solution. I have disturbingly frank conversations with my own children. Today it was a debate over boners and erections, are they the same thing?

I think it's sad but true that we live in a crazy world where everyone sues over everything. What happens when some knocked up kid's lawyer parents sue because the condom breaks? I lived in a town where this lawyer had the local school district by the balls over drug testing kids, which I adored, but if that guy had had a different agenda things would have sucked.

Schools can't even get education and meddling in personal family matters right, should they be branching out? My kids school had an in house clinic one year, and it was BS how they wanted her medical records signed over at school enrollment. As if!

At the end of the day, these kids are still going to screw, and all of my big ideas about the role of institutions that function in loco parentis and the appropriate role for schools in society and the reliability of condoms pale in the face of teenagers catching AIDS and having babies.

But if someone's creepy parents, other than my kid's partner's, start handing my kids condoms, my lawyer will be doing the screwing. Just the implication I haven't handled that for my children will be enough provocation without being disgusted by your inappropriate interest in my child's sex life, and the concern they may have been tampered with by such a pervert.


Yeah, good luck with that lawsuit. Condoms are legal to possess, legal to sell, and could not, in any imaginable scenario, be a tort for anyone to hand out for free.

Well, maybe if you were handing them to toddlers, but only because they could be a choking hazard. Or if they had actually been intentionally or negligently damaged before being handed out.

But handing undamaged condoms to teenagers? Forget it. I'd be surprised if you could find an attorney to take the case, and if you did I'd be even more surprised if you didn't get hit with the defendant's attorney fees because the case was so frivolous.
2012-12-26 12:02:24 AM  
1 votes:

poe_zlaw: beautifulbob: It is not the availability of condoms that drives a teen to sex.  It is the availability of a wide range of warm damp places to provide reduce friction.
ftfy.

We gave our son a hundred pack of condoms when we found out he was smashing the ass of a cheerleader and thought he got her pregnant. Come to find out he and all of his friends were having sex with all the little fast white chicks. None of them were wearing rubbers and one of them got a girl pregnant. They all come to our house for condoms because theyre too embarrassed to buy them. As long as they want them, I will provide them. IMO condoms should be free just like abortions should.


Condoms should be freely distributed. Also as you say - free abortions. Only an idiot would have sex PLANNING to just get an abortion. But stuff happens.

If only Conservatives realized how much welfare and medical costs we could save by providing those 2 things for free. Spend a little money to save TONS of money down the line. That is less tax dollars our of your pockets. I'd have Government provide free vasectomies too.

Expecting people to shut off their instincts and not have sex is completely naive. And putting silly religious "moral" beliefs aside - there is no reason they should not be having sex as long as it is safe sex.

Of course I think you would save even more money if all Federal Elections where mandated to use public-funding only and Citizen's United was finally struck down. Stopping the corporate buying of politicians could cut down our budget more than anything.

Also tell me why Democrats are not yet pushing a Constitutional Amendment that defines Corporations are not people. This is a winning issue for Democrats, and Republicans should be forced to actively and publicly fight against it. If such an amendment gets pushed hard and correctly defined as "putting the brakes on buying politicians and thus fighting corruption," 2014 elections are in the bag.

Yeah I realize I went well off topic. MOAR SEX FOR EVERYONE(except you)!
2012-12-25 11:52:58 PM  
1 votes:

fusillade762: Hey look, free party balloons!


This is a feature, not a bug.

For the first few weeks, they'll find blown-up condoms floating around the school, but eventually the novelty wears off, and in the meantime, condoms no longer seem weird and mysterious - they're just another part of life. The more normal they are, the more likely people are to have them around and use them.
2012-12-25 11:51:09 PM  
1 votes:
When I was going to West Philly High in 2003 it was 1 in 7 high school students getting STDs. I was not having sex then, and I paid attention to what they were saying. The fast ass girls and boys were ignoring the hell out of the speakers and could not wait to get to their next class to goof off.

In the gay community in Philly they throw condoms and lube at you at every turn. I have condoms in the house, car, and my bag. I told my roommate to never worry about condoms because I got plenty.
2012-12-25 11:47:49 PM  
1 votes:

poe_zlaw: hey all come to our house for condoms because theyre too embarrassed to buy them. As long as they want them, I will provide them.


Cool. I have been providing sex toys and pretty undies to your daughter without you knowing. She's embarrassed to talk to you about it.
2012-12-25 11:19:54 PM  
1 votes:

Carotid: Female teacher. Female student. Condom goes where?


Basically the same place, though they're usually referred to as a dental dam (because they're also used in dentistry and since dentists make more money than random folks doing cunnilingus the denstist got to name 'em).

//The more you know, yo.

NannyStatePark: My 13 year old daughter would like to thank the good folks over at Trojan for her existence. My 11 year old son, a forgotten pill. My opinion is that we are giving kids a false sense of security preaching condoms as a fail safe solution.

We don't like to talk about how sending black men to prison for drug crimes is ultimately creating an AIDS holocaust.


Properly used condoms and the pill properly used have about the same failure rate, something on the order of a couple tenths of a percent per year of use by a sexually active person. The actual failure rate since people are stupid and don't use them properly (see your own example) is closer to 1% per year of use.

So... use both. Your children aren't a result of failed products so much as your own failure at elementary statistics. It's not rocket science, man, even out in bumfark nowhere where I did elementary school we learned to multiply probabilities.
2012-12-25 11:15:25 PM  
1 votes:

the_chief: Fill them with mayo and leave them in the library.


I would imagine sneaking them into the girls locker room or certain teachers' desk would create more of a stir. Although if caught you could be tagged a sexual predator, by today's standards.
2012-12-25 11:12:45 PM  
1 votes:

"Roughly one quarter of new HIV infections in Philadelphia are among teens, according to Donald F. Schwarz, the deputy mayor for health and opportunity. "


That's pretty disgraceful, I wonder what the number of teens are that are infected with HIV. This should be all over the news even as much as a school shooting is. It's horrible that a group of teen have effectively given themselves a death sentence in one city.

And anyone who is upset that a condom fails, the condom makers never say that condoms are 100% effective against pregnancy and STDs, but they do cut down greatly on both when condoms are used properly.

2012-12-25 11:05:45 PM  
1 votes:

ultraholland: NannyStatePark: My 13 year old daughter would like to thank the good folks over at Trojan for her existence. My 11 year old son, a forgotten pill. My opinion is that we are giving kids a false sense of security preaching condoms as a fail safe solution.

I hear somebody died in a car accident while wearing a seat belt...


I heard people with penises like to use them... A lot.
2012-12-25 10:47:57 PM  
1 votes:

NannyStatePark: My 13 year old daughter would like to thank the good folks over at Trojan for her existence. My 11 year old son, a forgotten pill. My opinion is that we are giving kids a false sense of security preaching condoms as a fail safe solution.

We don't like to talk about how sending black men to prison for drug crimes is ultimately creating an AIDS holocaust.


I'm curious and confused. How does sending black men to prision contribute to an AIDS holocaust? Is it due to the proliferation of anal sex in prisons?

/too much rum and not thinking clearly
2012-12-25 10:31:26 PM  
1 votes:

NaziKamikaze: The dispensers are part of a pilot program that has sparked outrage among some parents in Philadelphia, who worry that free condoms will encourage their teens to engage in sex.

Condoms don't encourage sex. Having a dick or a forbidden lovehole encourages sex. Especially when your body dumps a ton of hormones so you'll propagate the human race around that age.


Why not just reform the school system? Let all kids graduate high-school at age 12. Then you get to be an adult.

It's not like they teach anything in school anyway, and it's not like adults are that frickin' mature at 18 or 21 anyway. And we need more people contributing to social security.
2012-12-25 10:27:44 PM  
1 votes:

NannyStatePark: My 13 year old daughter would like to thank the good folks over at Trojan for her existence. My 11 year old son, a forgotten pill. My opinion is that we are giving kids a false sense of security preaching condoms as a fail safe solution.

We don't like to talk about how sending black men to prison for drug crimes is ultimately creating an AIDS holocaust.


How do you know what we like to and not like to talk about?? Anyways... Lets not talk about that though. It's Christmas for crying out loud.
2012-12-25 10:02:54 PM  
1 votes:
If a parent were to take the position that availability of condoms or birth control pills or HPV vaccines is bad because they deliberately don't want those risks of sexual activity to be mitigated, I would take the position that any, more reasonable adult has a duty to interfere.
2012-12-25 10:01:32 PM  
1 votes:
The dispensers are part of a pilot program that has sparked outrage among some parents in Philadelphia, who worry that free condoms will encourage their teens to engage in sex.

Condoms don't encourage sex. Having a dick or a forbidden lovehole encourages sex. Especially when your body dumps a ton of hormones so you'll propagate the human race around that age.
2012-12-25 09:58:12 PM  
1 votes:
Mayor Michael Nutter, voice of reason.

Carotid: Female teacher. Female student. Condom goes where?


Gee, I don't know. It's like I've never had a sex ed class or something.
2012-12-25 08:49:33 PM  
1 votes:
It is not the availability of condoms that drives a teen to sex.  It is the availability of a wide range of warm damp places to provide friction.
2012-12-25 07:14:20 PM  
1 votes:
free condom dispensers

Hey look, free party balloons!


Parents can opt their child out of the program by writing a letter to the school

And that's going to prevent them from using the dispensers how?
 
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