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2012-12-25 07:14:20 PM
free condom dispensers

Hey look, free party balloons!


Parents can opt their child out of the program by writing a letter to the school

And that's going to prevent them from using the dispensers how?
 
2012-12-25 07:48:22 PM
FTA:
Parents can opt their child out of the program by writing a letter to the school, but nurses are not required to maintain a list of which students are permitted to pick up condoms.
'Opt-out letters are to be maintained by the school office,' Assistant Superintendent Dennis W. Creedon wrote in a letter to school health officials. 'Students are to honor the wishes of their parents. If a student disrespects their guardian's directive, that is an issue of the home.'


So, basically, the school district gets to save a little bit of face by offering an 'opt out', but in reality opting out doesn't change the ability of that student to get the condoms - it's just sort of an official notice on record that the parents disapprove of it.

I'm OK with that actually, it's how it should be.  Lack of condoms isn't going to stop two horny teens from having sex, but it might  make them say 'fark it' when it comes to running down to the drugstore to buy a pack.  At least if they have then handy they're more likely to use them.
 
2012-12-25 08:05:32 PM
img21.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-25 08:43:14 PM
Okay, I LOL'd.
 
2012-12-25 08:49:33 PM
It is not the availability of condoms that drives a teen to sex.  It is the availability of a wide range of warm damp places to provide friction.
 
2012-12-25 09:17:04 PM
Hunh. My college got a mention in that article.

Not sure if I should be proud or annoyed.
 
2012-12-25 09:33:21 PM
How long before someone writes on the machine,
"This gum tastes like rubber. "
 
2012-12-25 09:40:01 PM
images4.wikia.nocookie.net
Wants to know if you can get magnum condoms/thus demonstrating you have a monster dong
 
2012-12-25 09:43:06 PM
Female teacher. Female student. Condom goes where?
 
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2012-12-25 09:53:56 PM
Bravo subby.
 
2012-12-25 09:55:12 PM

Carotid: Female teacher. Female student. Condom goes where?


Can't be too careful. Shared dildos are one of the most common cause of STD transmissions between lesbian teachers and students according to the numbers I just pulled out of my ass.

/ along with the anal beads
 
2012-12-25 09:57:56 PM
Oght to superglue them on at 11 and give them acetone when they are 50.
 
2012-12-25 09:58:12 PM
Mayor Michael Nutter, voice of reason.

Carotid: Female teacher. Female student. Condom goes where?


Gee, I don't know. It's like I've never had a sex ed class or something.
 
2012-12-25 09:58:14 PM
How are they going to get safely into the machines to have sex?
 
2012-12-25 09:58:29 PM
Carotid: Female teacher. Female student. Condom goes where?

There are at least six holes in that mix. Choose.
 
2012-12-25 10:01:32 PM
The dispensers are part of a pilot program that has sparked outrage among some parents in Philadelphia, who worry that free condoms will encourage their teens to engage in sex.

Condoms don't encourage sex. Having a dick or a forbidden lovehole encourages sex. Especially when your body dumps a ton of hormones so you'll propagate the human race around that age.
 
2012-12-25 10:02:54 PM
If a parent were to take the position that availability of condoms or birth control pills or HPV vaccines is bad because they deliberately don't want those risks of sexual activity to be mitigated, I would take the position that any, more reasonable adult has a duty to interfere.
 
2012-12-25 10:04:00 PM

beautifulbob: It is not the availability of condoms that drives a teen to sex.  It is the availability of a wide range of warm damp places to provide reduce friction.

ftfy.

We gave our son a hundred pack of condoms when we found out he was smashing the ass of a cheerleader and thought he got her pregnant. Come to find out he and all of his friends were having sex with all the little fast white chicks. None of them were wearing rubbers and one of them got a girl pregnant. They all come to our house for condoms because theyre too embarrassed to buy them. As long as they want them, I will provide them. IMO condoms should be free just like abortions should.
 
2012-12-25 10:05:03 PM

ultraholland: Carotid: Female teacher. Female student. Condom goes where?

There are at least six holes in that mix. Choose.


Ah. I was just coming up with any reason to turn this into a lezbo thread. Not a condom discussion thread. But I stand corrected.
 
2012-12-25 10:07:46 PM
"Their teachers can't afford to bring their own."

Well, add it to the next union contract, then.
 
2012-12-25 10:09:30 PM
The dispensers are part of a pilot program that has sparked outrage among some parents in Philadelphia, who worry that free condoms will encourage their teens to engage in sex.

Hint: teens come pre-encouraged to have sex, courtesy of biology. The real question is whether you want them to become parents at 15.
 
2012-12-25 10:09:42 PM
FTFA:
In 1932, there were 16,000 condom vending machines available in public spaces in Germany including bars, cafes, cabarets, train stations, public schools and hotels,...

Proof that condoms cause facism.
 
2012-12-25 10:10:27 PM

poe_zlaw: beautifulbob: It is not the availability of condoms that drives a teen to sex.  It is the availability of a wide range of warm damp places to provide reduce friction.
ftfy.

We gave our son a hundred pack of condoms when we found out he was smashing the ass of a cheerleader and thought he got her pregnant. Come to find out he and all of his friends were having sex with all the little fast white chicks. None of them were wearing rubbers and one of them got a girl pregnant. They all come to our house for condoms because theyre too embarrassed to buy them. As long as they want them, I will provide them. IMO condoms should be free just like abortions should.


You used to be able to get free condoms up at any of the county health clinics in my area. Then the recession hit, and they closed all the clinics except for the one downtown. They have a huge aquarium full of 'em right inside the door to the pharmacy there, but it's really the only place in the county I know of you can still get free condoms. I went out there with a friend and that thing was empty by the time we left two hours later. Saves a ton of money in the long run, a concept that seems to escape many people.
 
2012-12-25 10:12:07 PM

buckler: The dispensers are part of a pilot program that has sparked outrage among some parents in Philadelphia, who worry that free condoms will encourage their teens to engage in sex.

Hint: teens come pre-encouraged to have sex, courtesy of biology. The real question is whether you want them to become parents at 15.


True, but I can see where someone would believe that a person with a parachute would be far more likely to jump out of a perfectly good airplane.
 
2012-12-25 10:13:08 PM

jake_lex: [images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 710x399]
Wants to know if you can get magnum condoms/thus demonstrating you have a monster dong


okamoto.com.hk

/Wilbur!
 
2012-12-25 10:14:53 PM
My 13 year old daughter would like to thank the good folks over at Trojan for her existence. My 11 year old son, a forgotten pill. My opinion is that we are giving kids a false sense of security preaching condoms as a fail safe solution.

We don't like to talk about how sending black men to prison for drug crimes is ultimately creating an AIDS holocaust.
 
2012-12-25 10:16:21 PM

beautifulbob: It is not the availability of condoms that drives a teen to sex.  It is the availability of a wide range of warm damp places to provide friction.


and that's why bob is beautiful
 
2012-12-25 10:19:18 PM

NannyStatePark: My 13 year old daughter would like to thank the good folks over at Trojan for her existence. My 11 year old son, a forgotten pill. My opinion is that we are giving kids a false sense of security preaching condoms as a fail safe solution.

We don't like to talk about how sending black men to prison for drug crimes is ultimately creating an AIDS holocaust.


No one is preaching condoms as a fail safe solution. More like, "We know you're gonna fark, so please just wear these to decrease the risks of pregnancy and STDs."
 
2012-12-25 10:20:38 PM
Let me guess, they are going to give away generic brand condoms--ya know, for the cheap farkers.

A+ subby!
 
2012-12-25 10:25:17 PM
The packaging?
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-25 10:27:44 PM

NannyStatePark: My 13 year old daughter would like to thank the good folks over at Trojan for her existence. My 11 year old son, a forgotten pill. My opinion is that we are giving kids a false sense of security preaching condoms as a fail safe solution.

We don't like to talk about how sending black men to prison for drug crimes is ultimately creating an AIDS holocaust.


How do you know what we like to and not like to talk about?? Anyways... Lets not talk about that though. It's Christmas for crying out loud.
 
2012-12-25 10:31:26 PM

NaziKamikaze: The dispensers are part of a pilot program that has sparked outrage among some parents in Philadelphia, who worry that free condoms will encourage their teens to engage in sex.

Condoms don't encourage sex. Having a dick or a forbidden lovehole encourages sex. Especially when your body dumps a ton of hormones so you'll propagate the human race around that age.


Why not just reform the school system? Let all kids graduate high-school at age 12. Then you get to be an adult.

It's not like they teach anything in school anyway, and it's not like adults are that frickin' mature at 18 or 21 anyway. And we need more people contributing to social security.
 
2012-12-25 10:33:17 PM
Kids fark, deal with it.
 
2012-12-25 10:36:42 PM

NannyStatePark: My 13 year old daughter would like to thank the good folks over at Trojan for her existence. My 11 year old son, a forgotten pill. My opinion is that we are giving kids a false sense of security preaching condoms as a fail safe solution.

We don't like to talk about how sending black men to prison for drug crimes is ultimately creating an AIDS holocaust.


Because... black men... like to suck cock bareback?

I'm trying to figure out what you're implying....
 
2012-12-25 10:36:56 PM
How about we take them to a hospital where an aids patient is clinging for his life. Lets show them what some std's can do to their private parts. Show them what a 21 year old mother of three has to deal with. Lets see these outraged parents work with their snow flakes and not just put it on the parents.
 
2012-12-25 10:37:46 PM

great_tigers: How about we take them to a hospital where an aids patient is clinging for his life. Lets show them what some std's can do to their private parts. Show them what a 21 year old mother of three has to deal with. Lets see these outraged parents work with their snow flakes and not just put it on the parents.


Teachers.
 
2012-12-25 10:41:59 PM

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: NannyStatePark: My 13 year old daughter would like to thank the good folks over at Trojan for her existence. My 11 year old son, a forgotten pill. My opinion is that we are giving kids a false sense of security preaching condoms as a fail safe solution.

We don't like to talk about how sending black men to prison for drug crimes is ultimately creating an AIDS holocaust.

Because... black men... like to suck cock bareback?

I'm trying to figure out what you're implying....


Hes implying that the drug war is causing black men to turn into Jews in the 40's
 
2012-12-25 10:42:17 PM
NannyStatePark: My 13 year old daughter would like to thank the good folks over at Trojan for her existence. My 11 year old son, a forgotten pill. My opinion is that we are giving kids a false sense of security preaching condoms as a fail safe solution.

I hear somebody died in a car accident while wearing a seat belt...
 
2012-12-25 10:45:46 PM
But giving them free condoms encourages them to have sex. The same way that giving them free pot needles encourages them to shoot pot.
Just say NO!
 
2012-12-25 10:47:57 PM

NannyStatePark: My 13 year old daughter would like to thank the good folks over at Trojan for her existence. My 11 year old son, a forgotten pill. My opinion is that we are giving kids a false sense of security preaching condoms as a fail safe solution.

We don't like to talk about how sending black men to prison for drug crimes is ultimately creating an AIDS holocaust.


I'm curious and confused. How does sending black men to prision contribute to an AIDS holocaust? Is it due to the proliferation of anal sex in prisons?

/too much rum and not thinking clearly
 
2012-12-25 10:48:29 PM
What good is being part of one of the most powerful unions in the country if you can't get free condoms to use when raping your students?
 
2012-12-25 10:48:33 PM
We're all fully aware teachers can't afford to bring their own sex.

Oh wait, you were talking about condoms.
 
2012-12-25 10:48:55 PM
I'd like to know on what planet does keeping condoms away from teens prevents them from having sex.
 
2012-12-25 10:49:14 PM

WordsnCollision: jake_lex: [images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 710x399]
Wants to know if you can get magnum condoms/thus demonstrating you have a monster dong

[okamoto.com.hk image 304x504]

/Wilbur!


Big Boy, number 1 in Japan.. so like 10 cm?
 
2012-12-25 10:50:33 PM

jake_lex: [images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 710x399]
Wants to know if you can get magnum condoms/thus demonstrating you have a monster dong


That's actually a good question. Some people are bigger than others.
 
2012-12-25 10:52:29 PM

Wayne 985: jake_lex: [images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 710x399]
Wants to know if you can get magnum condoms/thus demonstrating you have a monster dong

That's actually a good question. Some people are bigger than others.


That's why they make finger cots for the youngins.
 
2012-12-25 10:56:35 PM

JWideman: I'd like to know on what planet does keeping condoms away from teens prevents them from having sex.


Mars. We've had two young (artificial) life forms roaming around alone on that planet for years. No condoms on mars, but yet we don't see any new baby robots popping up.
 
2012-12-25 10:58:47 PM
Fill them with mayo and leave them in the library.
 
2012-12-25 10:58:53 PM

Coastalgrl: NannyStatePark: My 13 year old daughter would like to thank the good folks over at Trojan for her existence. My 11 year old son, a forgotten pill. My opinion is that we are giving kids a false sense of security preaching condoms as a fail safe solution.

We don't like to talk about how sending black men to prison for drug crimes is ultimately creating an AIDS holocaust.

I'm curious and confused. How does sending black men to prision contribute to an AIDS holocaust? Is it due to the proliferation of anal sex in prisons?

/too much rum and not thinking clearly


Basically yes. AIDS is the leading cause of non accidental death in black women.
 
2012-12-25 11:05:45 PM

ultraholland: NannyStatePark: My 13 year old daughter would like to thank the good folks over at Trojan for her existence. My 11 year old son, a forgotten pill. My opinion is that we are giving kids a false sense of security preaching condoms as a fail safe solution.

I hear somebody died in a car accident while wearing a seat belt...


I heard people with penises like to use them... A lot.
 
2012-12-25 11:12:45 PM

"Roughly one quarter of new HIV infections in Philadelphia are among teens, according to Donald F. Schwarz, the deputy mayor for health and opportunity. "


That's pretty disgraceful, I wonder what the number of teens are that are infected with HIV. This should be all over the news even as much as a school shooting is. It's horrible that a group of teen have effectively given themselves a death sentence in one city.

And anyone who is upset that a condom fails, the condom makers never say that condoms are 100% effective against pregnancy and STDs, but they do cut down greatly on both when condoms are used properly.

 
2012-12-25 11:15:25 PM

the_chief: Fill them with mayo and leave them in the library.


I would imagine sneaking them into the girls locker room or certain teachers' desk would create more of a stir. Although if caught you could be tagged a sexual predator, by today's standards.
 
2012-12-25 11:19:54 PM

Carotid: Female teacher. Female student. Condom goes where?


Basically the same place, though they're usually referred to as a dental dam (because they're also used in dentistry and since dentists make more money than random folks doing cunnilingus the denstist got to name 'em).

//The more you know, yo.

NannyStatePark: My 13 year old daughter would like to thank the good folks over at Trojan for her existence. My 11 year old son, a forgotten pill. My opinion is that we are giving kids a false sense of security preaching condoms as a fail safe solution.

We don't like to talk about how sending black men to prison for drug crimes is ultimately creating an AIDS holocaust.


Properly used condoms and the pill properly used have about the same failure rate, something on the order of a couple tenths of a percent per year of use by a sexually active person. The actual failure rate since people are stupid and don't use them properly (see your own example) is closer to 1% per year of use.

So... use both. Your children aren't a result of failed products so much as your own failure at elementary statistics. It's not rocket science, man, even out in bumfark nowhere where I did elementary school we learned to multiply probabilities.
 
2012-12-25 11:23:18 PM
If 1 million free condoms prevent only one HIV transmission from occurring, the program will have been a success. Good on Philadelphia.
 
2012-12-25 11:24:10 PM

NannyStatePark: Coastalgrl: NannyStatePark: My 13 year old daughter would like to thank the good folks over at Trojan for her existence. My 11 year old son, a forgotten pill. My opinion is that we are giving kids a false sense of security preaching condoms as a fail safe solution.

We don't like to talk about how sending black men to prison for drug crimes is ultimately creating an AIDS holocaust.

I'm curious and confused. How does sending black men to prision contribute to an AIDS holocaust? Is it due to the proliferation of anal sex in prisons?

/too much rum and not thinking clearly

Basically yes. AIDS is the leading cause of non accidental death in black women.


Wait, people PLAN to die of AIDS now?! Who'd'a thunk?
 
2012-12-25 11:24:17 PM

ultraholland: NannyStatePark: My 13 year old daughter would like to thank the good folks over at Trojan for her existence. My 11 year old son, a forgotten pill. My opinion is that we are giving kids a false sense of security preaching condoms as a fail safe solution.

I hear somebody died in a car accident while wearing a seat belt...


You got admit though, me and his daughter have been lucky so far.
 
2012-12-25 11:28:44 PM
"The dispensers are part of a pilot program that has sparked outrage among some parents in Philadelphia, who worry that free condoms will encourage their teens to engage in sex."

Bwahahahahahahahaha! Being alive is all the encouragement teens need.
 
2012-12-25 11:29:32 PM

TheSwizz: If 1 million free condoms prevent only one HIV transmission from occurring, the program will have been a success. Good on Philadelphia.


As of the most recent study I found in 2006, the average AIDS patient spends about 0.6 million $ over the course of their lifetime. Assuming these are the usual 0.25$ uncomfortable condoms produced for free distribution, then the program is actually cost-effective if it takes even 2.4 million condoms to prevent one case of AIDS.

//Admittedly treatment's actually been getting cheaper, it's an interesting immunological problem so it'd get a lot of research attention even if it wasn't a practical problem. I just couldn't find a more recent study.
 
2012-12-25 11:30:40 PM
I hope the condoms in the machine aren't as old as the condoms in the article's picture.
 
2012-12-25 11:38:55 PM
Two six year olds were chatting when one pulled out a pack of rubbers.

He says, " Look at this, I found a pack of Prophylactics under the veranda. "

The other kid looked puzzled and said, " What's a veranda? "
 
2012-12-25 11:39:24 PM

Jim_Callahan: Carotid: Female teacher. Female student. Condom goes where?

Basically the same place, though they're usually referred to as a dental dam (because they're also used in dentistry and since dentists make more money than random folks doing cunnilingus the denstist got to name 'em).

//The more you know, yo.

NannyStatePark: My 13 year old daughter would like to thank the good folks over at Trojan for her existence. My 11 year old son, a forgotten pill. My opinion is that we are giving kids a false sense of security preaching condoms as a fail safe solution.

We don't like to talk about how sending black men to prison for drug crimes is ultimately creating an AIDS holocaust.

Properly used condoms and the pill properly used have about the same failure rate, something on the order of a couple tenths of a percent per year of use by a sexually active person. The actual failure rate since people are stupid and don't use them properly (see your own example) is closer to 1% per year of use.

So... use both. Your children aren't a result of failed products so much as your own failure at elementary statistics. It's not rocket science, man, even out in bumfark nowhere where I did elementary school we learned to multiply probabilities.


Actually, we pull out now and haven't gotten knocked up since. I would never tout this as wise, but it works for us. It's not like a little surprise would have ruined my life at any point since I've met my husband, so we keep the slide rule in the drawer when we screw.
 
2012-12-25 11:47:49 PM

poe_zlaw: hey all come to our house for condoms because theyre too embarrassed to buy them. As long as they want them, I will provide them.


Cool. I have been providing sex toys and pretty undies to your daughter without you knowing. She's embarrassed to talk to you about it.
 
2012-12-25 11:51:09 PM
When I was going to West Philly High in 2003 it was 1 in 7 high school students getting STDs. I was not having sex then, and I paid attention to what they were saying. The fast ass girls and boys were ignoring the hell out of the speakers and could not wait to get to their next class to goof off.

In the gay community in Philly they throw condoms and lube at you at every turn. I have condoms in the house, car, and my bag. I told my roommate to never worry about condoms because I got plenty.
 
2012-12-25 11:51:39 PM

Nothing To See Here: Two six year olds were chatting when one pulled out a pack of rubbers.

He says, " Look at this, I found a pack of Prophylactics under the veranda. "

The other kid looked puzzled and said, " What's a veranda? "


I don't get it.

Why were there a pack of prophylactics under a veranda?
 
2012-12-25 11:52:58 PM

fusillade762: Hey look, free party balloons!


This is a feature, not a bug.

For the first few weeks, they'll find blown-up condoms floating around the school, but eventually the novelty wears off, and in the meantime, condoms no longer seem weird and mysterious - they're just another part of life. The more normal they are, the more likely people are to have them around and use them.
 
2012-12-26 12:02:24 AM

poe_zlaw: beautifulbob: It is not the availability of condoms that drives a teen to sex.  It is the availability of a wide range of warm damp places to provide reduce friction.
ftfy.

We gave our son a hundred pack of condoms when we found out he was smashing the ass of a cheerleader and thought he got her pregnant. Come to find out he and all of his friends were having sex with all the little fast white chicks. None of them were wearing rubbers and one of them got a girl pregnant. They all come to our house for condoms because theyre too embarrassed to buy them. As long as they want them, I will provide them. IMO condoms should be free just like abortions should.


Condoms should be freely distributed. Also as you say - free abortions. Only an idiot would have sex PLANNING to just get an abortion. But stuff happens.

If only Conservatives realized how much welfare and medical costs we could save by providing those 2 things for free. Spend a little money to save TONS of money down the line. That is less tax dollars our of your pockets. I'd have Government provide free vasectomies too.

Expecting people to shut off their instincts and not have sex is completely naive. And putting silly religious "moral" beliefs aside - there is no reason they should not be having sex as long as it is safe sex.

Of course I think you would save even more money if all Federal Elections where mandated to use public-funding only and Citizen's United was finally struck down. Stopping the corporate buying of politicians could cut down our budget more than anything.

Also tell me why Democrats are not yet pushing a Constitutional Amendment that defines Corporations are not people. This is a winning issue for Democrats, and Republicans should be forced to actively and publicly fight against it. If such an amendment gets pushed hard and correctly defined as "putting the brakes on buying politicians and thus fighting corruption," 2014 elections are in the bag.

Yeah I realize I went well off topic. MOAR SEX FOR EVERYONE(except you)!
 
2012-12-26 12:02:28 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: poe_zlaw: hey all come to our house for condoms because theyre too embarrassed to buy them. As long as they want them, I will provide them.

Cool. I have been providing sex toys and pretty undies to your daughter without you knowing. She's embarrassed to talk to you about it.


Can... can I get some of those panties... ?
 
2012-12-26 12:05:24 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Can... can I get some of those panties... ?


Probably. Just ask her.
 
2012-12-26 12:05:41 AM
anybody bother asking Andrew Beckett how he feels about free condoms?
 
2012-12-26 12:27:20 AM
Of course the teachers can't afford to bring their own, since they first have to buy their own M16's and a couple thousand rounds of ammo to keep their classrooms safe.
 
2012-12-26 12:33:41 AM
Sell the lubricated* sort.

*contains concentrated pepper spray
 
2012-12-26 12:33:51 AM

NannyStatePark: My opinion is that we are giving kids a false sense of security preaching condoms as a fail safe solution.


Never have I seen any authority preaching it as a "fail safe solution"

In fact, every case I have seen stressed the risks even when using condoms and generally encourage the use of multiple methods of birth control whenever possible

Even though no method is 100% effective (and ignoring that most failurs are due to improper usage which just reinforces the need for education), they greatly reduce the risk of disease transmission and pregnancy. combine the female birth control (the pill, IUD, etc) and a condom and you have a near negligible chance of pregnancy if they are properly used.

Birth control should be freely available, easily accessible, and as anonymous as possible. And sexual education should start early and every child should have to take part in it.

Teenagers are going to have sex. The more they know and easier and more anonymous their access to protection, the lower the risks are Never zero, just far lower (and this would be stressed throughout their education). Just ignoring things does not help. The stupidest things is that this would be the most effective way to reduce teenage pregnancy, abortions, and young single mothers, but there is a strong correlation between those opposed to sex education, availability of contraceptives, and abortions while harping on fiscal issues.
 
2012-12-26 12:40:16 AM

NaziKamikaze: The dispensers are part of a pilot program that has sparked outrage among some parents in Philadelphia, who worry that free condoms will encourage their teens to engage in sex.

Condoms don't encourage sex. Having a dick or a forbidden lovehole encourages sex. Especially when your body dumps a ton of hormones so you'll propagate the human race around that age.


Providing condoms implies that the sex is condoned however. Not that it matters all that much to someone determined to have sex.
 
2012-12-26 12:59:30 AM

jake_lex: [images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 710x399]
Wants to know if you can get magnum condoms/thus demonstrating you have a monster dong


I dropped my monster condom for my magnum dong.
 
2012-12-26 01:05:27 AM

poe_zlaw: beautifulbob: It is not the availability of condoms that drives a teen to sex.  It is the availability of a wide range of warm damp places to provide reduce friction.
ftfy.

We gave our son a hundred pack of condoms when we found out he was smashing the ass of a cheerleader and thought he got her pregnant. Come to find out he and all of his friends were having sex with all the little fast white chicks. None of them were wearing rubbers and one of them got a girl pregnant. They all come to our house for condoms because theyre too embarrassed to buy them. As long as they want them, I will provide them. IMO condoms should be free just like abortions should.


Your son is an idiot and you should abort him right away! He should know by now that you can get get a girl pregnant by smashing her ass. It is the other below the waist hole that he has to use protection when smashing.
 
2012-12-26 01:26:52 AM

bk3k: I'd have Government provide free vasectomies too.


Given how reluctant doctors are to perform paid vasectomies, I highly doubt free vasectomies would stop more than one unwanted pregnancy per year.
 
2012-12-26 01:28:17 AM

clowncar on fire: NaziKamikaze: Condoms don't encourage sex. Having a dick or a forbidden lovehole encourages sex. Especially when your body dumps a ton of hormones so you'll propagate the human race around that age.

Providing condoms implies that the sex is condoned however.


Frankly, that may actually make it less attractive for some people :p
 
2012-12-26 01:29:54 AM

JWideman: I'd like to know on what planet does keeping condoms away from teens prevents them from having sex.


Well, it keeps them from thinking adults approve of sex, so it prevents them from having FUN while having sex, (at least, as much fun as they otherwise would have) and keeps them thinking sex is dirty and forbidden. It also keeps them from asking embarrassing questions of their parents so their parents can imagine their little snowflakes aren't having dirty forbidden sex which as we all know is more important than actually preventing them from having sex.

Which they might actually do if they could, you know, talk to their parents about the sex thing--but that might be uncomfortable, and we can't have that.
 
2012-12-26 01:35:05 AM
New York City gives away condoms, female condoms, "personal lubricant", and Durex condoms for free, through out the city.

Link
 
2012-12-26 01:45:55 AM

clowncar on fire: NaziKamikaze: The dispensers are part of a pilot program that has sparked outrage among some parents in Philadelphia, who worry that free condoms will encourage their teens to engage in sex.

Condoms don't encourage sex. Having a dick or a forbidden lovehole encourages sex. Especially when your body dumps a ton of hormones so you'll propagate the human race around that age.

Providing condoms implies that the sex is condoned however. Not that it matters all that much to someone determined to have sex.


Should sex not be condoned? What is this, 17th century Plymouth?
 
2012-12-26 02:03:36 AM
i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-12-26 02:15:33 AM
I'm not saying I think everyone thinks condoms are perfect and tell teens they are. But some people sure as heck seem to think giving teens condoms solves the problem. It helps, it's all we have now, but its a feel good solution. I have disturbingly frank conversations with my own children. Today it was a debate over boners and erections, are they the same thing?

I think it's sad but true that we live in a crazy world where everyone sues over everything. What happens when some knocked up kid's lawyer parents sue because the condom breaks? I lived in a town where this lawyer had the local school district by the balls over drug testing kids, which I adored, but if that guy had had a different agenda things would have sucked.

Schools can't even get education and meddling in personal family matters right, should they be branching out? My kids school had an in house clinic one year, and it was BS how they wanted her medical records signed over at school enrollment. As if!

At the end of the day, these kids are still going to screw, and all of my big ideas about the role of institutions that function in loco parentis and the appropriate role for schools in society and the reliability of condoms pale in the face of teenagers catching AIDS and having babies.

But if someone's creepy parents, other than my kid's partner's, start handing my kids condoms, my lawyer will be doing the screwing. Just the implication I haven't handled that for my children will be enough provocation without being disgusted by your inappropriate interest in my child's sex life, and the concern they may have been tampered with by such a pervert.
 
2012-12-26 02:16:05 AM
They need guns a lot more than they need condoms
 
2012-12-26 02:21:53 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: clowncar on fire: NaziKamikaze: The dispensers are part of a pilot program that has sparked outrage among some parents in Philadelphia, who worry that free condoms will encourage their teens to engage in sex.

Condoms don't encourage sex. Having a dick or a forbidden lovehole encourages sex. Especially when your body dumps a ton of hormones so you'll propagate the human race around that age.

Providing condoms implies that the sex is condoned however. Not that it matters all that much to someone determined to have sex.

Should sex not be condoned? What is this, 17th century Plymouth?


I know, it's easy to forget premarital sex makes the invisible sky wizard cry.
 
2012-12-26 02:36:42 AM
I don't think you could sue over a pregnancy due to a broken condom. How would you  prove the condom break rather than earlier, unprotected sex? Also, how would you prove  the condom had been used correctly in  the first place, and it wasn't sloppy application of the prophylactic device that caused the problem?

I do not view things like STDs and teen pregnancy as "personal family matters" as once it happens, it's too late. It impacts the entire community in the long run, something I'm pretty sure everyone here is well aware of.
 
2012-12-26 02:38:11 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: I don't think you could sue over a pregnancy due to a broken condom. How would you  prove the condom break rather than earlier, unprotected sex? Also, how would you prove  the condom had been used correctly in  the first place, and it wasn't sloppy application of the prophylactic device that caused the problem?

I do not view things like STDs and teen pregnancy as "personal family matters" as once it happens, it's too late. It impacts the entire community in the long run, something I'm pretty sure everyone here is well aware of.


Dammit. I meant "How could you prove the condom break rather than earlier, unprotected sex caused the pregnancy?"
 
2012-12-26 02:41:29 AM

Jim_Callahan: TheSwizz: If 1 million free condoms prevent only one HIV transmission from occurring, the program will have been a success. Good on Philadelphia.

As of the most recent study I found in 2006, the average AIDS patient spends about 0.6 million $ over the course of their lifetime. Assuming these are the usual 0.25$ uncomfortable condoms produced for free distribution, then the program is actually cost-effective if it takes even 2.4 million condoms to prevent one case of AIDS.

//Admittedly treatment's actually been getting cheaper, it's an interesting immunological problem so it'd get a lot of research attention even if it wasn't a practical problem. I just couldn't find a more recent study.


A quick search turns up 1000-packs for $99, probably could be had for less in 10k or 100k quantities... Even at 10¢ per condom, you're looking at 6 million free condoms being a success even if one HIV transmission is prevented.

I'd be amazed if 6 million condoms didn't stop more than one.
 
2012-12-26 02:51:55 AM

NannyStatePark: I'm not saying I think everyone thinks condoms are perfect and tell teens they are. But some people sure as heck seem to think giving teens condoms solves the problem. It helps, it's all we have now, but its a feel good solution. I have disturbingly frank conversations with my own children. Today it was a debate over boners and erections, are they the same thing?

I think it's sad but true that we live in a crazy world where everyone sues over everything. What happens when some knocked up kid's lawyer parents sue because the condom breaks? I lived in a town where this lawyer had the local school district by the balls over drug testing kids, which I adored, but if that guy had had a different agenda things would have sucked.

Schools can't even get education and meddling in personal family matters right, should they be branching out? My kids school had an in house clinic one year, and it was BS how they wanted her medical records signed over at school enrollment. As if!

At the end of the day, these kids are still going to screw, and all of my big ideas about the role of institutions that function in loco parentis and the appropriate role for schools in society and the reliability of condoms pale in the face of teenagers catching AIDS and having babies.

But if someone's creepy parents, other than my kid's partner's, start handing my kids condoms, my lawyer will be doing the screwing. Just the implication I haven't handled that for my children will be enough provocation without being disgusted by your inappropriate interest in my child's sex life, and the concern they may have been tampered with by such a pervert.


Yeah, good luck with that lawsuit. Condoms are legal to possess, legal to sell, and could not, in any imaginable scenario, be a tort for anyone to hand out for free.

Well, maybe if you were handing them to toddlers, but only because they could be a choking hazard. Or if they had actually been intentionally or negligently damaged before being handed out.

But handing undamaged condoms to teenagers? Forget it. I'd be surprised if you could find an attorney to take the case, and if you did I'd be even more surprised if you didn't get hit with the defendant's attorney fees because the case was so frivolous.
 
2012-12-26 03:07:08 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: I don't think you could sue over a pregnancy due to a broken condom. How would you  prove the condom break rather than earlier, unprotected sex? Also, how would you prove  the condom had been used correctly in  the first place, and it wasn't sloppy application of the prophylactic device that caused the problem?

I do not view things like STDs and teen pregnancy as "personal family matters" as once it happens, it's too late. It impacts the entire community in the long run, something I'm pretty sure everyone here is well aware of.


A similar question has come up. The funny part is that as a parallel to the case of "Wrongful Death", they called this "Wrongful Life".

The case in question was where a doctor didn't inform the parents of a birth defect that would have caused them to abort that fetus. The child was born with severe defects. The freakish part here is they're not suing for their OWN pain-and-suffering and medical bills, but on behalf of the child that wouldn't exist if they'd been warned.
 
2012-12-26 03:23:36 AM

Oznog: Real Women Drink Akvavit: I don't think you could sue over a pregnancy due to a broken condom. How would you  prove the condom break rather than earlier, unprotected sex? Also, how would you prove  the condom had been used correctly in  the first place, and it wasn't sloppy application of the prophylactic device that caused the problem?

I do not view things like STDs and teen pregnancy as "personal family matters" as once it happens, it's too late. It impacts the entire community in the long run, something I'm pretty sure everyone here is well aware of.

A similar question has come up. The funny part is that as a parallel to the case of "Wrongful Death", they called this "Wrongful Life".

The case in question was where a doctor didn't inform the parents of a birth defect that would have caused them to abort that fetus. The child was born with severe defects. The freakish part here is they're not suing for their OWN pain-and-suffering and medical bills, but on behalf of the child that wouldn't exist if they'd been warned.


I had never heard of that before! Thanks for the link. I'm in California and didn't even hear about it, which is odd, as I am something of a news junkie. It must not have started much of a WHARGARBL...... oh, wait. We were having the "Satanic Panic" around that time. "Michelle Remembers" was written just a year or so earlier IIRC, so the wrongful life ruling wouldn't have been on the news, the news was instead all about having my mom peer suspiciously at her black-clad, heavy metal fan of a daughter (me). No wonder I didn't hear about it.

/thanks again for the link
 
2012-12-26 03:25:07 AM

DarkVader: NannyStatePark: I'm not saying I think everyone thinks condoms are perfect and tell teens they are. But some people sure as heck seem to think giving teens condoms solves the problem. It helps, it's all we have now, but its a feel good solution. I have disturbingly frank conversations with my own children. Today it was a debate over boners and erections, are they the same thing?

I think it's sad but true that we live in a crazy world where everyone sues over everything. What happens when some knocked up kid's lawyer parents sue because the condom breaks? I lived in a town where this lawyer had the local school district by the balls over drug testing kids, which I adored, but if that guy had had a different agenda things would have sucked.

Schools can't even get education and meddling in personal family matters right, should they be branching out? My kids school had an in house clinic one year, and it was BS how they wanted her medical records signed over at school enrollment. As if!

At the end of the day, these kids are still going to screw, and all of my big ideas about the role of institutions that function in loco parentis and the appropriate role for schools in society and the reliability of condoms pale in the face of teenagers catching AIDS and having babies.

But if someone's creepy parents, other than my kid's partner's, start handing my kids condoms, my lawyer will be doing the screwing. Just the implication I haven't handled that for my children will be enough provocation without being disgusted by your inappropriate interest in my child's sex life, and the concern they may have been tampered with by such a pervert.

Yeah, good luck with that lawsuit. Condoms are legal to possess, legal to sell, and could not, in any imaginable scenario, be a tort for anyone to hand out for free.

Well, maybe if you were handing them to toddlers, but only because they could be a choking hazard. Or if they had actually been intentionally or negligently damaged before b ...


This is Texas, which occasionally works to some advantage in such matters. Any adult having unwanted contact or dealings with my child has interfered with my custody of said minor, for starters. The word "custody" encompasses more than physical location.

I don't like living in a world where I have to imagine going after some perv for declaring himself a reproductive health clinician just because his kid is "smashing some ass" and has badly raised friends. I'm sorry but that post creeped me out mostly because it wasn't adult- minded. I might just want my kids using nicer rubbers than he provides. I like sex, but my parental rights are sacred. And I refuse to trust people with a fixation on my children's sex life. A school dealing with a real crisis is far different.
 
2012-12-26 03:39:24 AM
Too many kids in West Philadelphia, born and raised?
 
2012-12-26 03:40:32 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: I don't think you could sue over a pregnancy due to a broken condom. How would you  prove the condom break rather than earlier, unprotected sex? Also, how would you prove  the condom had been used correctly in  the first place, and it wasn't sloppy application of the prophylactic device that caused the problem?

I do not view things like STDs and teen pregnancy as "personal family matters" as once it happens, it's too late. It impacts the entire community in the long run, something I'm pretty sure everyone here is well aware of.


I was referring to the tendency of some school cultures to pry into actual privacy of families dealing with issues like divorce.

As a natural over thinker, I'm just imagining this backfiring. Some kid could end up allergic to latex, dies of shock, and his lawyer insists that the school acted negligently because they failed to inform the kid condoms were made of rubber. Yeah, folks, my head really works this way. If I was trolling I'd just bash Philly and poor kids.
I hope for the best, really, for everyone involved...unless you are hiding behind a tree with a trenchcoat waiting to hand my kid some condoms for their smashing activities.
 
2012-12-26 03:55:59 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: I don't think you could sue over a pregnancy due to a broken condom. How would you  prove the condom break rather than earlier, unprotected sex? Also, how would you prove  the condom had been used correctly in  the first place, and it wasn't sloppy application of the prophylactic device that caused the problem?


Probably only if it is shown that there was a systemic defect in a batch of condoms, (which would be very difficult for a private individual to do), the instructions for use, or the packaging. It has happened before and batches of condoms have been recalled by various manufacturers.

But at the end of the day, condoms ARE considered medical devices manufactured by pharmaceutical companies. They aren't toys. Specifically they are class II medical devices regulated by the FDA. If an IUD has a defect that affects the user adversely, a lawsuit (maybe unsuccessful) could result. If a pacemaker has a defect that affects the user adversely, a lawsuit could result. Condoms aren't uniquely exempted.
 
2012-12-26 04:09:53 AM

NannyStatePark: I hope for the best, really, for everyone involved...unless you are hiding behind a tree with a trenchcoat waiting to hand my kid some condoms for their smashing activities.


I just wanted to say you sound stupid as fark,please inform your lawyers I called you stupid over the internet.
 
2012-12-26 05:18:09 AM

A Terrible Human: NannyStatePark: I hope for the best, really, for everyone involved...unless you are hiding behind a tree with a trenchcoat waiting to hand my kid some condoms for their smashing activities.

I just wanted to say you sound stupid as fark,please inform your lawyers I called you stupid over the internet.


I don't give a flying rats ass if you think I'm stupid. Hell, if you have kids and you love them you are stupid about some aspect of their lives. Stupid is really not that insulting of a word in this context, if you know its true meaning and how it differentiates from ignorant. Yeah, it might be pretty stupid to hire a lawyer to go after some strange weirdo giving out condoms to strange, unrelated children who insinuates himself into my children's sex life. It might cost a lot of money and make me look like a shrew, but somehow when I imagine making his boundary crossing inappropriate sexual gestures to my children, I don't give a Fark how stupid it looks, his ass WILL be plastered all over town for the perv he OR she is and the good people here in TX will view that as the right thing for a woman to do, and help me right the Fark out.

It's just as gross, disturbing and uncalled for as my having any interest in YOUR sex life.
I love pot, most kids try pot, i cant score, wanna let me have pot parties for them? So they are safe and don't get busted or smoke laced dope??? I didn't Farking think so!
 
2012-12-26 05:27:51 AM
Ya know, Fark lawyers and shiat, never mind that jazz. If my kid comes home with condoms from some wanker, I'm sending over a 4 ft Grafix bong and seeing how they like it if I give their kids adult shiat they haven't been consulted about. They are legal til you actually burn the weed, just like condoms. If it breaks I could get sued so I will go with plastic, ala My First Bong by Fisher Price.
 
2012-12-26 06:44:16 AM

ThrobblefootSpectre: Real Women Drink Akvavit: I don't think you could sue over a pregnancy due to a broken condom. How would you  prove the condom break rather than earlier, unprotected sex? Also, how would you prove  the condom had been used correctly in  the first place, and it wasn't sloppy application of the prophylactic device that caused the problem?

Probably only if it is shown that there was a systemic defect in a batch of condoms, (which would be very difficult for a private individual to do), the instructions for use, or the packaging. It has happened before and batches of condoms have been recalled by various manufacturers.

But at the end of the day, condoms ARE considered medical devices manufactured by pharmaceutical companies. They aren't toys. Specifically they are class II medical devices regulated by the FDA. If an IUD has a defect that affects the user adversely, a lawsuit (maybe unsuccessful) could result. If a pacemaker has a defect that affects the user adversely, a lawsuit could result. Condoms aren't uniquely exempted.


I did not know they were considered medical devices. Huh. Makes sense though if you think about it. Learn something new every day on Fark.

Doesn't change my stance that if a kid asks for a condom it means they are most likely sexually active and should be given one. Better safe than the entire community be sorry. Does change my view (somewhat) on the lawsuit thing, but as you said, it would be hard for an individual to prove.
 
2012-12-26 06:46:36 AM

NannyStatePark: Ya know, Fark lawyers and shiat, never mind that jazz. If my kid comes home with condoms from some wanker, I'm sending over a 4 ft Grafix bong and seeing how they like it if I give their kids adult shiat they haven't been consulted about. They are legal til you actually burn the weed, just like condoms. If it breaks I could get sued so I will go with plastic, ala My First Bong by Fisher Price.


Where I live, they are illegal and are labeled "drug paraphernalia" whether you've loaded it up in the  past or not. Some people have said "I only use them for tobacco" and gotten away with it, but since giving tobacco to kids is also illegal where I live, you'd be screwed. Better  just have a face to face convo with the condom giver and let them know the only person who will be giving your kid a condom is you. And hopefully you do.
 
2012-12-26 07:04:32 AM

sexorcisst: Too many kids in West Philadelphia, born and raised?


Too many unwanted kids?
 
2012-12-26 07:48:32 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: NannyStatePark: Ya know, Fark lawyers and shiat, never mind that jazz. If my kid comes home with condoms from some wanker, I'm sending over a 4 ft Grafix bong and seeing how they like it if I give their kids adult shiat they haven't been consulted about. They are legal til you actually burn the weed, just like condoms. If it breaks I could get sued so I will go with plastic, ala My First Bong by Fisher Price.

Where I live, they are illegal and are labeled "drug paraphernalia" whether you've loaded it up in the  past or not. Some people have said "I only use them for tobacco" and gotten away with it, but since giving tobacco to kids is also illegal where I live, you'd be screwed. Better  just have a face to face convo with the condom giver and let them know the only person who will be giving your kid a condom is you. And hopefully you do.


For all my paranoia and talking of the smack, in actuality I will probably do just that. Most of my response is based on my fear of my kids being exploited by an adult who chose to behave inappropriately while establishing a relationship with them. You, being another woman, surely know the exact sort of creepy person I fear I'll deal with, but hopefully I'll just end up dealing with a regular parent navigating the same waters we all must.

I want my kids safe period. I'm happy to get them that giant box of condoms at Sams after their doctor visit.
 
2012-12-26 07:54:21 AM

NannyStatePark: Real Women Drink Akvavit: NannyStatePark: Ya know, Fark lawyers and shiat, never mind that jazz. If my kid comes home with condoms from some wanker, I'm sending over a 4 ft Grafix bong and seeing how they like it if I give their kids adult shiat they haven't been consulted about. They are legal til you actually burn the weed, just like condoms. If it breaks I could get sued so I will go with plastic, ala My First Bong by Fisher Price.

Where I live, they are illegal and are labeled "drug paraphernalia" whether you've loaded it up in the  past or not. Some people have said "I only use them for tobacco" and gotten away with it, but since giving tobacco to kids is also illegal where I live, you'd be screwed. Better  just have a face to face convo with the condom giver and let them know the only person who will be giving your kid a condom is you. And hopefully you do.

For all my paranoia and talking of the smack, in actuality I will probably do just that. Most of my response is based on my fear of my kids being exploited by an adult who chose to behave inappropriately while establishing a relationship with them. You, being another woman, surely know the exact sort of creepy person I fear I'll deal with, but hopefully I'll just end up dealing with a regular parent navigating the same waters we all must.

I want my kids safe period. I'm happy to get them that giant box of condoms at Sams after their doctor visit.


When my son was a teen and I walked in on him and some girlie making out, that's what I did. I put them in a bowl under the bathroom sink and made sure he knew how to put one on, using a banana to demonstrate the method. I've not once seen  him blush so hard while protesting "Moooom!" Hey, you're right, as moms we want our kids safe. So we have to do some things that are uncomfortable, but as moms we do them anyway, even if it embarrasses our kids.  Seems to have worked as he's in his 20's now and I'm not a grandma yet!
 
2012-12-26 08:29:21 AM
" We can't afford armed guards in our schools!"

"Condoms? Sure, we can pay to install machines and an endless supply of water balloons"

I see where the priorities are.
 
2012-12-26 08:31:53 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: I did not know they were considered medical devices.


Wouldn't this mean they're subject to Obamacare's 3.8% medical device tax now?
 
2012-12-26 08:38:52 AM

damitjim: " We can't afford armed guards in our schools!"

"Condoms? Sure, we can pay to install machines and an endless supply of water balloons"

I see where the priorities are.


Want to know how I know you don't understand economics?
 
2012-12-26 08:50:20 AM
Let me just get these out of the way:

It is the city of brotherly love, after all.

media.gizmodo.co.uk
This guy is pissed

WHAT? We need God in our schools, not condoms!

/etc
//ad nauseum
///am disappoint
////low hanging fruit
//slashie!
 
2012-12-26 09:03:27 AM

WordsnCollision: jake_lex: [images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 710x399]
Wants to know if you can get magnum condoms/thus demonstrating you have a monster dong

[okamoto.com.hk image 304x504]

/Wilbur!


That so hilarious. Damn those zany Japanese!
 
2012-12-26 09:13:34 AM

pueblonative: Want to know how I know you don't understand economics?


What to know how I know you don't understand priorities? The upfront and ongoing costs of such a program, could fund a few armed guards that could rotate around Philly schools, not to mention the whole 'not duplicating programs that are already out there' issue.
 
2012-12-26 09:22:18 AM

damitjim: pueblonative: Want to know how I know you don't understand economics?

What to know how I know you don't understand priorities? The upfront and ongoing costs of such a program, could fund a few armed guards that could rotate around Philly schools, not to mention the whole 'not duplicating programs that are already out there' issue.


So fully armed and trained guards, not to mention the liability insurance, retraining, etc, could be supplied with the cost of filling one vending machine with 15 cent raincoats? we're not even factoring in the payback that the city receives from the latter in terms of decreased medicaid costs from STDs and pregnancies.
 
2012-12-26 09:24:31 AM

phrawgh: Let me just get these out of the way:

It is the city of brotherly love, after all.

[media.gizmodo.co.uk image 640x360]
This guy is pissed

WHAT? We need God in our schools, not condoms!


Wonder if he said that before or after altar boy Timmy showed up for mass with a rather large and embarrassing cold sore.
 
2012-12-26 09:30:26 AM

pueblonative: So fully armed and trained guards, not to mention the liability insurance, retraining, etc, could be supplied with the cost of filling one vending machine with 15 cent raincoats? we're not even factoring in the payback that the city receives from the latter in terms of decreased medicaid costs from STDs and pregnancies.


If that's the extreme you want to take it. We use Deputies here, already trained, already insured. And your "15 cent" raincoats add up when you have to refill dozens of machines daily. As I said, duplication of services already in place, so you will see a negligible "savings" in healthcare.
 
2012-12-26 10:05:26 AM
this city is a piece of shiat and, aside from the historical buildings, nothing of value would be lost if we floated it out to sea and sunk the whole damned thing.
 
2012-12-26 10:14:17 AM

NannyStatePark: its a feel good solution.


Not it isn't. It is a HUGE step forward. It isn't perfect, but it isn't just something to do to make people feel better.
 
2012-12-26 10:21:29 AM

damitjim: pueblonative: So fully armed and trained guards, not to mention the liability insurance, retraining, etc, could be supplied with the cost of filling one vending machine with 15 cent raincoats? we're not even factoring in the payback that the city receives from the latter in terms of decreased medicaid costs from STDs and pregnancies.

If that's the extreme you want to take it. We use Deputies here, already trained, already insured. And your "15 cent" raincoats add up when you have to refill dozens of machines daily. As I said, duplication of services already in place, so you will see a negligible "savings" in healthcare.


Not as much as the costs of all those unplanned pregnancies and STDs will on the community. And those deputies are going to have to be pulled from somewhere, unless you're suggesting that Philadelphia has crime so under control they have extra men in the patrol station just sitting around and collecting their paychecks.

Although I will give you one point: having armed trained guards (deputies or security) makes a lot more sense than the NRAs proposal of forcing the biology teacher to get strapped.
 
2012-12-26 11:29:20 AM

pueblonative: makes a lot more sense than the NRAs proposal of forcing the biology teacher to get strapped.


I wasn't aware the NRA's planned forced people to carry... thought it was voluntary. Good to know the facts aren't being misrepresented around here.
 
2012-12-26 12:48:46 PM

dywed88: NannyStatePark: its a feel good solution.

Not it isn't. It is a HUGE step forward. It isn't perfect, but it isn't just something to do to make people feel better.


Without comprehensive education in condom use, I'm going to stand by that. I used condoms safely with educated partners, even the Catholic, until my virgin future husband with his Baptist high school sex ed. and upbringing let one back flow when he didn't leave a reservoir. I'd be happy to be wrong.
 
2012-12-26 01:20:41 PM

Nem Wan: If a

were to take the position that availability of who prevents access to condoms or birth control pills or HPV vaccines is bad a complete and utter knuckle-dragging mouth-breathing moron, guilty of neglect and abuse, and should not be entrusted with scrubbing potatoes, let alone the grave responsibility of raising a child. because If they deliberately don't want those the known risks of sexual activity to be mitigated, I would take the position that any, more reasonable real adults hasve a duty to interferevene.

Any "parent" who prevents access to condoms, birth control pills, or HPV vaccine is a complete and utter knuckle-dragging mouth-breathing moron, guilty of neglect and abuse, and should not be entrusted with scrubbing potatoes, let alone the grave responsibility of raising a child. If they deliberately don't want the known risks of sexual activity to be mitigated, real adults have a duty to intervene.


/Punched it up a bit.
//You've been favorited as "Makes sense in a rambling, unassertive, run-on kind of way."
 
2012-12-26 01:35:52 PM

NannyStatePark: My 13 year old daughter would like to thank the good folks over at Trojan for her existence. My 11 year old son, a forgotten pill. My opinion is that we are giving kids a false sense of security preaching condoms as a fail safe solution.


[quizzical_dog.jpg]
1. You're supposed to use a spermicide with barrier methods. (At least that's what they taught me in sex ed class in school 'way back in the 70s. Are they teaching kids differently nowadays?) Plan B and Preven were approved for use in 1999 and 1998, respectively, if you had a barrier failure.
2. You forgot to take your pill and didn't use a backup?

/Sorry. Not buying it.
 
2012-12-26 02:49:26 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: NannyStatePark: My 13 year old daughter would like to thank the good folks over at Trojan for her existence. My 11 year old son, a forgotten pill. My opinion is that we are giving kids a false sense of security preaching condoms as a fail safe solution.

[quizzical_dog.jpg]
1. You're supposed to use a spermicide with barrier methods. (At least that's what they taught me in sex ed class in school 'way back in the 70s. Are they teaching kids differently nowadays?) Plan B and Preven were approved for use in 1999 and 1998, respectively, if you had a barrier failure.
2. You forgot to take your pill and didn't use a backup?

/Sorry. Not buying it.


Yeah, cuz it's not like I had a baby and postpartum depression and figured I hadn't ovulated and wasn't all that worried about it because I was in the process of starting a young family and becoming a wife and homeowner in less than two years. I married him three months and seventeen days after we met, weeks pregnant, and our love just turned fourteen. My eleven year old was just bopped on the head for saying assnuggets. He was a twenty five year old virgin. It's all freaking true. Oh, and my daughter was conceived at around six thirty on 2-13-99, my dead grandfather's birthday. I looked so young the mailman asked for the lady of the house.

Go eat shiat.
 
2012-12-26 02:58:40 PM
My kids aren't accidents. They were unplanned, but in my situation, with abortion access and medical insurance, it's obvious to everyone they were desired and loved. My husband was thrilled to have knocked me up. But you don't believe that either!
 
2012-12-26 03:36:37 PM

NannyStatePark: demaL-demaL-yeH: NannyStatePark: My 13 year old daughter would like to thank the good folks over at Trojan for her existence. My 11 year old son, a forgotten pill. My opinion is that we are giving kids a false sense of security preaching condoms as a fail safe solution.

[quizzical_dog.jpg]
1. You're supposed to use a spermicide with barrier methods. (At least that's what they taught me in sex ed class in school 'way back in the 70s. Are they teaching kids differently nowadays?) Plan B and Preven were approved for use in 1999 and 1998, respectively, if you had a barrier failure.
2. You forgot to take your pill and didn't use a backup?

/Sorry. Not buying it.

Yeah, cuz it's not like I had a baby and postpartum depression and figured I hadn't ovulated and wasn't all that worried about it because I was in the process of starting a young family and becoming a wife and homeowner in less than two years. I married him three months and seventeen days after we met, weeks pregnant, and our love just turned fourteen. My eleven year old was just bopped on the head for saying assnuggets. He was a twenty five year old virgin. It's all freaking true. Oh, and my daughter was conceived at around six thirty on 2-13-99, my dead grandfather's birthday. I looked so young the mailman asked for the lady of the house.

Go eat shiat.


No, thank you.
Do you know what's printed on the papers inside condom boxes and on the insides of the boxes themselves?
Do I even have to ask about what's in the instructions that came with your BCPs for missed doses?

/Your multiple misuses of contraception were negligent.
//And I, too, know when my children were conceived.
///Because they were planned, and we always used contraception properly.
 
2012-12-26 03:56:09 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Do you know what's printed on the papers inside condom boxes and on the insides of the boxes themselves?


Sorry, modmins, that link is possibly NSFW.

/Negligent of me. Unintentional, but negligent.
 
2012-12-26 04:49:43 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: NannyStatePark: demaL-demaL-yeH: NannyStatePark: My 13 year old daughter would like to thank the good folks over at Trojan for her existence. My 11 year old son, a forgotten pill. My opinion is that we are giving kids a false sense of security preaching condoms as a fail safe solution.

[quizzical_dog.jpg]
1. You're supposed to use a spermicide with barrier methods. (At least that's what they taught me in sex ed class in school 'way back in the 70s. Are they teaching kids differently nowadays?) Plan B and Preven were approved for use in 1999 and 1998, respectively, if you had a barrier failure.
2. You forgot to take your pill and didn't use a backup?

/Sorry. Not buying it.

Yeah, cuz it's not like I had a baby and postpartum depression and figured I hadn't ovulated and wasn't all that worried about it because I was in the process of starting a young family and becoming a wife and homeowner in less than two years. I married him three months and seventeen days after we met, weeks pregnant, and our love just turned fourteen. My eleven year old was just bopped on the head for saying assnuggets. He was a twenty five year old virgin. It's all freaking true. Oh, and my daughter was conceived at around six thirty on 2-13-99, my dead grandfather's birthday. I looked so young the mailman asked for the lady of the house.

Go eat shiat.

No, thank you.
Do you know what's printed on the papers inside condom boxes and on the insides of the boxes themselves?
Do I even have to ask about what's in the instructions that came with your BCPs for missed doses?

/Your multiple misuses of contraception were negligent.
//And I, too, know when my children were conceived.
///Because they were planned, and we always used contraception properly.


Do you know what was printed on the front of my husbands jeans? A big, fat, juicy, tasty, uncircumcised boner, that's what. And my 21 year old ass wanted as much as she could get. At least my daughter was conceived in passionate love. Go do math. It's what assholes like you do instead of having awesome sex.
 
2012-12-26 05:04:27 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: demaL-demaL-yeH: Do you know what's printed on the papers inside condom boxes and on the insides of the boxes themselves?

Sorry, modmins, that link is possibly NSFW.

/Negligent of me. Unintentional, but negligent.


You want to hear something else you won't believe?

Thank you. Thank you so much for reminding me of the only things in life that are to be believed. When I thought of conceiving my daughter I broke down, and my son and husband rushed to me with hugs. Nothing but that love matters, and if you lack it, I am terribly sorry for you.
 
2012-12-26 05:24:35 PM
Math is for people who don't get laid... lol...
 
2012-12-26 05:29:30 PM

NannyStatePark: And my 21 year old ass wanted as much as she could get. At least my daughter was conceived in passionate love. Go do math. It's what assholes like you do instead of having awesome sex.


NannyStatePark: Thank you. Thank you so much for reminding me of the only things in life that are to be believed. When I thought of conceiving my daughter I broke down, and my son and husband rushed to me with hugs. Nothing but that love matters, and if you lack it, I am terribly sorry for you.


1. Anal sex does not and should not lead to pregnancy.
2. The following statement should come as a surprise to absolutely nobody:
The use of contraception is not incompatible with loud, hot, joyous, crazy, fun, passionate, "awesome" sex.*
3. Love, hot sex, and family planning are not the same subject. They should be related subjects, but that is a different discussion.

This discussion is about contraception for hormonal, horny teenagers.

*I guarantee you (and other farkers/farkettes will confirm this) that family planning does not impede loving, passionate, hot, creative, loud, crazy sex in any way, shape, or form. Kinky? That would depend on your particular kink(s).
 
2012-12-26 05:49:16 PM
Condoms are so cheap that it is a travesty they are not available for free in every school and health clinic on the planet. Hell, since HIV is rare among heterosexuals, assuming the more common STDs that condoms prevent (ie Gonorrhea), if the antibiotic to treat that is $50, then you could buy 200 condoms for that price (assuming 25 cents each). With HIV, which is way more costly, that goes even higher in the amount of money it saves. Not to mention the lives.
 
2012-12-28 01:27:44 AM

machoprogrammer: Condoms are so cheap that it is a travesty they are not available for free in every school and health clinic on the planet. Hell, since HIV is rare among heterosexuals, assuming the more common STDs that condoms prevent (ie Gonorrhea), if the antibiotic to treat that is $50, then you could buy 200 condoms for that price (assuming 25 cents each). With HIV, which is way more costly, that goes even higher in the amount of money it saves. Not to mention the lives.


Your math will not impress the opponents, who don't even believe in evolution and biology. They have a faith based system that teenagers won't have sex, ever, if they don't know about condoms
 
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