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2012-12-26 09:16:18 AM

meanmutton: jfarkinB: As a parent, and as somebody who's had a fair number of developmental and perceptual psych classes, I'm really, really nervous about giving apps or other addictive, attention-monopolizing, physics-defying toys to extremely young children. I don't know that they'll be harmful, but I think the possibility is strong enough that it's irresponsible to ignore it. There are plenty of other parents volunteering their kids for what amounts to a massive impromptu field study; let's see what we learn from them in a few years.

/subby

I love that your appeal to authority is that you took a couple undergrad psych courses in college. Not enough for a minor, mind you, but a couple.


Uh, really? That's your criticism of subby? The American Academy of Pediatrics also recommends zero screen time for kids under age 2. That means no TV, no computers, no apps. Almost nobody follows that instruction (including my family) but it's reckless to say that the experts in the field of pediatrics and child development are wrong on this just because you don't like the guideline. If you've got some research that proves them wrong, then feel free to share it.
 
2012-12-26 09:33:36 AM
Maybe the dude just wants apps to help teaching his 6 month old things. I'm sure the guy will supervise, show his kid how to interact and play with it but only to be used while an adult is around.

Or just an epic troll.
 
2012-12-26 10:33:01 AM

nacker: Rockstone: / iPads and mobile devices are stupid.

I'm sure your grandparents said the same thing about PCs.


My grandfather, in his 70s, bought a TRS-80 Color Computer when they first came out so he could create a database of the daily pick 3 lottery numbers.

Then again, he did work at Hotpoint, and as a hobby fiddled with electronics, so his interest in that kind of thing may be a little different that other grandfathers.
 
2012-12-26 10:34:37 AM
Remember when the internet was for nerds and social outcasts?
 
2012-12-26 10:35:03 AM

mesmer242: meanmutton: jfarkinB: As a parent, and as somebody who's had a fair number of developmental and perceptual psych classes, I'm really, really nervous about giving apps or other addictive, attention-monopolizing, physics-defying toys to extremely young children. I don't know that they'll be harmful, but I think the possibility is strong enough that it's irresponsible to ignore it. There are plenty of other parents volunteering their kids for what amounts to a massive impromptu field study; let's see what we learn from them in a few years.

/subby

I love that your appeal to authority is that you took a couple undergrad psych courses in college. Not enough for a minor, mind you, but a couple.

Uh, really? That's your criticism of subby? The American Academy of Pediatrics also recommends zero screen time for kids under age 2. That means no TV, no computers, no apps. Almost nobody follows that instruction (including my family) but it's reckless to say that the experts in the field of pediatrics and child development are wrong on this just because you don't like the guideline. If you've got some research that proves them wrong, then feel free to share it.


Your appeal to authority is the American Academy of Pediatrics? Remember, the AAoP are the same people who say vaccination is good for your kids! That should tell you everything you need to know about their agenda. Have they done any research proving that screen time is harmful? I doubt it. And if they're asserting that screen time is less beneficial than interaction with a human, it's probably because they did not use high-quality apps or high-quality hardware, like the iPad mini. When I upgraded to the iPad 2, I gave my now-obsolete iPad to my son, who was then five months old. He was able to read by his second birthday. Is that insanely great or what?
 
2012-12-26 10:38:11 AM
Where is the best place to go to download more RAM?
 
2012-12-26 10:39:21 AM
I accidentally the whole app.
 
2012-12-26 10:40:19 AM
Mice are utterly worthless, and I'm amazed they've lasted as long as they have. Inaccurate and fail frequently. And lifting up a mouse so you can scroll it over? Give me a break. Even a joystick is an improvement.

At the very least, I would have expected a touchpad to replace it, like what Lenovos and some other laptops have. Don't need a hard surface, much easier to control, and don't fail just because they got some dirt on them.

There are dozens of things you can do with a tablet that you can't do with a mouse. Like touch two things at once to combine them, draw circles, sign your name, etc. Anybody who likes mice over a touchpad should adjust their onion until they realize just how bad a mouse is.

As for kids, I don't see anything wrong with having them use a touchpad over other toys that they use alone. Certainly it shouldn't replace interpersonal contact.

I wonder what would happen to those kids in orphanages in Russia if they were given touchpads? Those kids weren't going to get any real face-time regardless, would it allow them to adjust, or make them even more psychotic?
 
2012-12-26 10:42:02 AM
My 3 year old nephew got an iPad Mini for Christmas, mostly because his daycare uses them in some of
their formal classes.

The only advice I would give is to invest in something like an Otterbox.
 
2012-12-26 10:48:44 AM

meanmutton: I love that your appeal to authority is that you took a couple undergrad psych courses in college. Not enough for a minor, mind you, but a couple.


Well, actually, I did get the minor in psych. I also took a year of senior-level logical theory. Neither of those makes me an authority on anything, of course. But they have influenced the way I raise my kids.

I stated my own opinion, and explained a bit about what's informing it. Do you have an opinion on apps for infants, or are you just here to randomly contradict people?
 
2012-12-26 11:00:24 AM
Parthenogenetic:

Your appeal to authority is the American Academy of Pediatrics? Remember, the AAoP are the same people who say vaccination is good for your kids! That should tell you everything you need to know about their agenda. Have they done any research proving that screen time is harmful? I doubt it. And if they're asserting that screen time is less beneficial than interaction with a human, it's probably because they did not use high-quality apps or high-quality hardware, like the iPad mini. When I upgraded to the iPad 2, I gave my now-obsolete iPad to my son, who was then five months old. He was able to read by his second birthday. Is that insanely great or what?


I thoroughly applaud this beautiful post... you must have spent some time on the babycenter forums, right? The only thing missing is poor spelling and a call to "EDUCATE URSELF".
 
2012-12-26 11:33:18 AM
As somebody who doesn't have kids but has two nephews, you must keep children wrapped in bubble wrap and stuck in the closet for the first 18 years of their lives.  It's the only way to be sure.

If you'd consider getting a leapfrog for your kid, you might as well go all the way and get the ipad.  At least they'll be able to keep using it as they get older.
 
2012-12-26 11:35:12 AM

milsorgen: //fark anyone who says a kid shouldnt have a tab
///fark anyone who says students need tablets, however


Why?  Aren't students children?
 
2012-12-26 12:30:30 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Don't need a hard surface


Someone has never used an Apple Magic Trackpad :/
 
2012-12-26 12:49:06 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Mice are utterly worthless, and I'm amazed they've lasted as long as they have. Inaccurate and fail frequently. And lifting up a mouse so you can scroll it over? Give me a break. Even a joystick is an improvement.

At the very least, I would have expected a touchpad to replace it, like what Lenovos and some other laptops have. Don't need a hard surface, much easier to control, and don't fail just because they got some dirt on them.

There are dozens of things you can do with a tablet that you can't do with a mouse. Like touch two things at once to combine them, draw circles, sign your name, etc. Anybody who likes mice over a touchpad should adjust their onion until they realize just how bad a mouse is.

As for kids, I don't see anything wrong with having them use a touchpad over other toys that they use alone. Certainly it shouldn't replace interpersonal contact.

I wonder what would happen to those kids in orphanages in Russia if they were given touchpads? Those kids weren't going to get any real face-time regardless, would it allow them to adjust, or make them even more psychotic?


I have a Wacom tablet that can be used in exactly the manner you describe, with a far larger surface area than the dinky ones on laptops. It is absolutely terrible for everyday use unless I'm using it to draw. If you really have that many problems with a device as incredibly simple as a mouse, I'm not sure what to tell you (hint: trackballs). Keyboards and mice have been the standard for a long time because they work. Touchscreens/touchpads have the same problems as voice recognition in that both are incredibly convenient when they work, but they don't account well enough for natural variations like accents or fat fingers. Fix that and you'll have a convincing argument.
 
2012-12-26 01:20:14 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Mice are utterly worthless, and I'm amazed they've lasted as long as they have. Inaccurate and fail frequently. And lifting up a mouse so you can scroll it over? Give me a break. Even a joystick is an improvement.

At the very least, I would have expected a touchpad to replace it, like what Lenovos and some other laptops have. Don't need a hard surface, much easier to control, and don't fail just because they got some dirt on them.

There are dozens of things you can do with a tablet that you can't do with a mouse. Like touch two things at once to combine them, draw circles, sign your name, etc. Anybody who likes mice over a touchpad should adjust their onion until they realize just how bad a mouse is.


Mice have one advantage- they dont' make a smudge.
Also, touchpads suck for fine control. I hate them with a firey passion, more than touch screens in many cases.
Touchscreens are just, urck.
 
2012-12-26 01:23:09 PM
As a parent, I'm torn on this. I want my kid to have a traditional childhood, enjoy his stuffed animals and oversized Lego blocks and pretend-play workbench and whatnot, and to get outside and play with the other kids. iPads and smartphones can come much later, because that kind of childhood will never come back. On the other hand, anything that could boost his mental development, hand-eye coordination, and learn at a faster rate than traditional ways, should be welcomed and not dismissed outright due to outdated thinking. I just don't want him to grow up and be tethered to electronic devices all the time, that's simply no way to live, even if that sort of describes me now.

The best approach is probably somewhere in the middle, a moderate and supervised use of tablet devices as a reward for good behavior, while aggressively encouraging the kid to get outside often and sign up for sports. But it's a slippery slope. I don't want to be *that* parent who lets his kid watch movies on his iPad while sitting down at a nice restaurant.
 
2012-12-26 01:56:24 PM
I'm surprised people are handing delicate electronic objects to small primates who like to bang things on tables and then shove those things in their mouths.

I'll go with the pediatricians' organizations and say it's not a good idea.

I'm an adult and have been using computers heavily for decades and know that it's made me more introverted face-to-face and more of an asshole online.
 
2012-12-26 02:14:48 PM
Just give the little dude free reign; she's the user they had in mind when they designed iOS.
 
2012-12-26 02:18:20 PM
Mice are not going anywhere nor is the PC. To many jobs require a keyboard and mouse combo and new touch screen tech isn't going to negate that any time soon. Those that believe otherwise are delusional or ign
 
2012-12-26 02:19:33 PM
Or ignorant of the current office environment.

/ damn iPhone touchscreen
 
2012-12-26 02:34:19 PM

Bschott007: Mice are not going anywhere nor is the PC. To many jobs require a keyboard and mouse combo and new touch screen tech isn't going to negate that any time soon. Those that believe otherwise are delusional or ign


i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-26 02:59:12 PM

Bschott007: Mice are not going anywhere nor is the PC. To many jobs require a keyboard and mouse combo and new touch screen tech isn't going to negate that any time soon. Those that believe otherwise are delusional or ign


Those who believe otherwise must not do anything important at work.
I think they're supervisors.

/ Joking
// Also, hardcore gaming is always better on the desktop.
 
2012-12-26 06:24:08 PM

LesserEvil: had98c: Doesn't look like a troll to me. Our 2 year old has been able to use an IPad since about 9 months or so.

Best app would be PBS Kids (she LOVES this one, has all her favorite Sesame Street/Kids learning characters on there)
For under 1 year though - There are Fisher Price Let's Play apps that have simple counting with animals and moving colored shapes that the child can tap on and make music with. Using these apps seemed to help nicely with refining motor skills. She was able to do all sorts of motions and grab/point/manipulate objects faster using the IPad combined with normal face to face interaction.

Yup.

I wrote a "Virtual Cat Toys" app (just released it for Android) for webOS last year and I was surprised at the people who said their small children/toddlers loved it. As if to prove the point, I showed the app to my toddler niece at the family Christmas party, and she did indeed love it - heck, she did better than the adults. The evil Easter Egg (A dog jumps out at the player) I enabled in it went off on her and all she did was giggle at it and keep playing.

My nephew has downs syndrome, and uses the iPad quite well, too....kids are getting more sophisticated and it probably doesn't hurt to start them early.


Toddler Lock is an amazing app for young children and stoners.
 
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