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(NYPost)   Paging Rev. Al Sharpton: Twenty-five years after a teenage Tawana Brawley falsely dragged his name through the mud as a gang-raping, kidnapping racist, it's payback time for Steven Pagones. Seeking to garnish her wages within the next couple of weeks   (nypost.com) divider line 346
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2012-12-25 05:03:38 PM

noitsnot: DownDaRiver: Easy to guess, but unable to be sure the type of advice, encoragement, brainwashing that Sharpton and others pushed onto her. She was only 15, but surely old enough to understand wrong from right.
It was her that initiated the situation. So ultimetly it was up to her to end the farce that it was. Not that it would have been easy for her to throw off the pressure. Still, it started with her, and she should bare the brunt of the penilties for it.
Sharpton and other should do the right thing and admitt their part in fanning the flames, and pitch in to set things right. But they won't, its not in their nature to admitt fault. That would mean they would have to admitt that they are as racist, if not more so, than those they accused

You guys have weird ideas - like some 15yo girl is gonna stand up to a bunch of pushy money grubbing adults, including her parents who beat her.


I did state that it wouldn't have been easy for her to throw off the pressure. I'm sure that the pressure was guite tremendous. Tough for anybody to deal with.

But, it did start with her. It was up to her to stop it.
 
2012-12-25 05:06:38 PM
I'm torn on this issue on one hand the courts should not be able to be use by he higher classes to torment the lower classes

On the other hand people who falsely accuse people of rape should be subjected to the worst forms of torture
 
2012-12-25 05:07:13 PM
Seems to me that she could still end this by owning her shiat.
 
2012-12-25 05:08:00 PM
For everyone of her is three more in a dumpster. fark Sharpton. He's a disease.
 
2012-12-25 05:10:43 PM
I remember the incident, was living in Virginia Beach at the time, that's where she fled to.
 
2012-12-25 05:11:38 PM
what a cast of characters...
 
2012-12-25 05:12:20 PM
I'm sure Al will step up and cover it for her. He's a stand up guy.
 
2012-12-25 05:14:28 PM
It's amazing what 5.9% interest can do when you don't pay attention to it.
 
2012-12-25 05:16:41 PM
She should sue Sharpton for the money. Cant believe there isnt an attorney willing to at least look at the case.
 
2012-12-25 05:17:10 PM
Tawana, 25 years ago:
"No one manipsmates me."
(What she actually said, phonetically spelled.)
 
2012-12-25 05:17:10 PM
Al Shartpon is a special kind of liberal. He offends other liberals sometimes. They will still keep in around to unleash upon those who dare disagree with them. The relationship is similar to that of the Arab world and the Palestines. I think every Total Farker owes this man some money too.
 
2012-12-25 05:18:30 PM

prince of peas: ClavellBCMI: jake_lex: Torqueknot: Satanic_Hamster: Kinda curious to why she had the largest bill; the others seem to have had a much larger hand in the false accusations against him.

And Al paid up damn quick, to get it behind him.

FTFA: Sharpton paid his $66,000 judgment to Pagones, with help from OJ Simpson lawyer Johnnie Cochran and others.

More than likely, Reverend Slimy never paid a cent, he had his wealthy friends pay the penalty, just as he has others pay for everything else. Slimeball.


He has many rich liberal friends.
 
2012-12-25 05:19:07 PM
Funny how Theateus isn't around for this thread...
 
2012-12-25 05:19:14 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Pay attention, Zimmerman.


Close but not quite!
 
2012-12-25 05:19:14 PM

theflatline: JasonKY: I have to say I'm conflicted on this one.

On the one hand, I fully believe that if you accuse someone of rape, your name should be put out in public along with the name of the accused, and if it can be proven that you maliciously lied about it that your assets should be seized and given to the person you falsely accused, along with a substantial jail sentence.

On the other hand, TFA says that she has a grade-school aged daughter, who had nothing to do with her mother's crimes (and in point of fact hadn't even been thought of when the initial judgment was passed) who is already most likely not living under the greatest conditions to begin with who will now have to suffer for her mother's crimes.

Truly a no win situation.

Or as you grow into an adult you would apologize for the sins of your youth, because you would realize that you were wrong, and maybe this man whose life you ruined would forgive you.  But no, you change your name and get outta town...

No accountability is a huge problem in our nation, from the top to the bottom.


I've seen people advising others not to apologize for the most trivial shiate because it admits legal liability. There are people who will exploit your best intentions to be decent, and I don't want my freedom or financial security sacrificed on that altar, myself.
 
2012-12-25 05:20:13 PM
Um... I'm not familiar with all this. My main question is... how did she end up in a garbage bag with racist sh*t written all over her? Sure they may have attacked innocent people but sounds like there was some kind of crime committed against her. I couldn't see a 15 yo being that diabolical.

Well maybe nowadays but not back then.

Meh.
 
2012-12-25 05:21:16 PM

Honest Bender: Good luck with that. $175 a week will pay off that $429,000 in roughly 47 years.


She could always sell weed. Might just have to.
 
2012-12-25 05:22:37 PM

Carousel Beast: Funny how Theateus isn't around for this thread...


If you spell it right, maybe he'll show up.
 
2012-12-25 05:23:37 PM
From the end of the article it sounds like he might wave the money if she comes clean.
 
2012-12-25 05:24:20 PM

traxan: Whether he paid the penalty or not, it's a real disgrace that Sharpton continues to enjoy ANY media credibility. He has a show on MSNBC and was on Fox way too many times for my liking. He should be in hiding along with Tawana.


i'll take MSNBC over Fox any day but when they put Al on they lost a lot of credence.
 
2012-12-25 05:24:50 PM

NannyStatePark: theflatline: JasonKY: I have to say I'm conflicted on this one.

On the one hand, I fully believe that if you accuse someone of rape, your name should be put out in public along with the name of the accused, and if it can be proven that you maliciously lied about it that your assets should be seized and given to the person you falsely accused, along with a substantial jail sentence.

On the other hand, TFA says that she has a grade-school aged daughter, who had nothing to do with her mother's crimes (and in point of fact hadn't even been thought of when the initial judgment was passed) who is already most likely not living under the greatest conditions to begin with who will now have to suffer for her mother's crimes.

Truly a no win situation.

Or as you grow into an adult you would apologize for the sins of your youth, because you would realize that you were wrong, and maybe this man whose life you ruined would forgive you.  But no, you change your name and get outta town...

No accountability is a huge problem in our nation, from the top to the bottom.

I've seen people advising others not to apologize for the most trivial shiate because it admits legal liability. There are people who will exploit your best intentions to be decent, and I don't want my freedom or financial security sacrificed on that altar, myself.


CSB time:

Just got a settlement from a car accident I was in. I got hit and my leg run over and broken. The settlement will be here in a few weeks and I was asking my lawyer about maybe sending the girl a card or a note letting her know that I held no ill will or animosity toward her for her mistake.

Lawyer strongly recommended that I never contact the girl again and that my words, in the hands of a good lawyer, could be twisted to be made to sound as if I didn't hold her responsible for the accident and could be used to appeal the settlement in civil court.

Nasty business, this is.
 
2012-12-25 05:25:26 PM

CaffietineFiend: Good. Make her little lying ass pay up!


She isn't so little anymore....
 
2012-12-25 05:26:22 PM

fanbladesaresharp: Honest Bender: Good luck with that. $175 a week will pay off that $429,000 in roughly 47 years.

She could always sell weed. Might just have to.


This will not please the left. Race baiting and creating victims out of nothing is what the Democrats excel at. You condone him contiually with your money and praise

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SBFREiCkf8
 
2012-12-25 05:28:53 PM

Tsar_Bomba1: From the end of the article it sounds like he might wave the money if she comes clean.


Probably right under her nose, right?
 
2012-12-25 05:30:53 PM

theflatline: Reminds me of the time I had a cashier working for me at Pat Obriens, she would chew grape Hubba Bubba, three pieces at a time, and then when her jaw got tired, she would put it on her giant fake fingernail, saying the gum still had flavor.

So one day a customer thinks that purple blob in his drink is a big piece of fruit....  Needless to say I had to fire her.

So I get called to the labor board for racism, then I provide the judge with a pic of me and my black grandma in Colombia, and my brown ass standing there, and a video of her with the gum on her thumb, plus all of her reprimands for money missing out of the register.

I was exonerated, but still...  I wish her wages were garnished too.


fired three guys for smoking dope at work. two filed EEOC complaints. the complaints were dismissed since our hiring/firing closely matched the racial profile of the city. we still had to spend time and money fending the complaints off. black folks in N.O. historically are real quick to call some racist bullshiat. 

btw that's not IMO it's "in my experience" as a manager of semiskilled workers in the 80s.
 
2012-12-25 05:31:41 PM

JasonKY: On the other hand, TFA says that she has a grade-school aged daughter, who had nothing to do with her mother's crimes (and in point of fact hadn't even been thought of when the initial judgment was passed) who is already most likely not living under the greatest conditions to begin with who will now have to suffer for her mother's crimes.


People who can't afford to have children should...
 
2012-12-25 05:35:04 PM

DownDaRiver: noitsnot: DownDaRiver: Easy to guess, but unable to be sure the type of advice, encoragement, brainwashing that Sharpton and others pushed onto her. She was only 15, but surely old enough to understand wrong from right.
It was her that initiated the situation. So ultimetly it was up to her to end the farce that it was. Not that it would have been easy for her to throw off the pressure. Still, it started with her, and she should bare the brunt of the penilties for it.
Sharpton and other should do the right thing and admitt their part in fanning the flames, and pitch in to set things right. But they won't, its not in their nature to admitt fault. That would mean they would have to admitt that they are as racist, if not more so, than those they accused

You guys have weird ideas - like some 15yo girl is gonna stand up to a bunch of pushy money grubbing adults, including her parents who beat her.

I did state that it wouldn't have been easy for her to throw off the pressure. I'm sure that the pressure was guite tremendous. Tough for anybody to deal with.

But, it did start with her. It was up to her to stop it.


But, I'm sorry, that's nuts. Teens standing up to adults and lecturing them about how they should do the right thing, because - you know - they have strayed from the path and need the voice of innocence to set them straight... That's just on TV shows. That's not real.
 
2012-12-25 05:38:50 PM

tlchwi02: can't say as i blame the guy. Especially since she has never apologized or cleared the record.


That's the only thing from calling this guy an asshole, she should have apologized to him years ago and he probably would have been fine but now fark her.

I still think sharpton should have been forced to pay more for being the race-baiting shiat stain he really is.
 
2012-12-25 05:39:54 PM

jake_lex: Torqueknot: Satanic_Hamster: Kinda curious to why she had the largest bill; the others seem to have had a much larger hand in the false accusations against him.

Interest. Also, she is the only one who isn't a lawyer or can afford a good one.

I'm not as inclined to feel as much disdain for her as I am for Al Sharpton.  It's clear she made the story up to cover something up, and it was Sharpton and his scumbag buddies who turned it into what it became.  I don't think that was her intention at all.

Of course, she had the power to end it at any time.


Agreed.

qlenfg: I remember the case quite well, and was not surprised when it came out she had lied. However, I don't recall the media reporting the defamation judgments at all -- unlike their rabid coverage of the original story. In any case, any monies he gets will unlikely make up for losing his job as prosecutor and the crap he had to deal with because she lied so her mama wouldn't whip her arse for whoring around.


Of course not, Al Sharpton et al had no interest in publicizing them. This is the first I heard of it also.

olddinosaur: Neither Brawley or Sharpton ever served a single day of time for their crimes; to the best of my knowledge they were never even arrested for anything.

The Duke Fake Rape "Victim" also never faced arrest and trial, but she did get busted for murdering a guy some time later. The DA was never arrested, though right to the last he tried to force people he knew were innocent to perjure themselves and admit to lesser "crimes" which they also did not commit----all to save his useless "reputation."

Makes ne want to throw up.


Yeah, bad DAs normally never get punished.
 
2012-12-25 05:40:35 PM

Infernalist: Lawyer strongly recommended that I never contact the girl again and that my words, in the hands of a good lawyer, could be twisted to be made to sound as if I didn't hold her responsible for the accident and could be used to appeal the settlement in civil court.


which proves the adage that lawyers are worse than pond scum.
 
2012-12-25 05:42:00 PM

Curious: theflatline: Reminds me of the time I had a cashier working for me at Pat Obriens, she would chew grape Hubba Bubba, three pieces at a time, and then when her jaw got tired, she would put it on her giant fake fingernail, saying the gum still had flavor.

So one day a customer thinks that purple blob in his drink is a big piece of fruit....  Needless to say I had to fire her.

So I get called to the labor board for racism, then I provide the judge with a pic of me and my black grandma in Colombia, and my brown ass standing there, and a video of her with the gum on her thumb, plus all of her reprimands for money missing out of the register.

I was exonerated, but still...  I wish her wages were garnished too.

fired three guys for smoking dope at work. two filed EEOC complaints. the complaints were dismissed since our hiring/firing closely matched the racial profile of the city. we still had to spend time and money fending the complaints off. black folks in N.O. historically are real quick to call some racist bullshiat. 

btw that's not IMO it's "in my experience" as a manager of semiskilled workers in the 80s.


Did I mention this happened at Pat Obriens?
 
2012-12-25 05:43:02 PM
You can sue a 16 year old for defamation?
 
2012-12-25 05:44:55 PM
Tawana Brawley is a racist. So is Sharpton.
 
2012-12-25 05:47:59 PM
Anything I say will come off sounding racist but I'm betting someone doesn't even know the definition of defamation.

www.the-two-malcontents.com
 
2012-12-25 05:49:39 PM

Loren: Yeah, bad DAs normally never get punished.


The DA in the Duke case (Mike Nifong) was disbarred.
 
2012-12-25 05:49:52 PM
www.nypost.com: SHOW ME THE MONEY
 
2012-12-25 05:51:28 PM
I have a problem with these claims that she made it up. If she says it's rape, that's proof enough for me to believe it's rape.
 
2012-12-25 05:55:04 PM
I thought I remember reading somewhere that Rev, Douche Sharpton still thinks that she was raped.
 
2012-12-25 05:57:18 PM

KiwDaWabbit: People who make false rape accusations are a special kind of shiatty.


No such thing. If a woman says she was raped, she was raped. We should accept their word as gospel.
 
2012-12-25 06:01:17 PM

JasonKY: On the other hand, TFA says that she has a grade-school aged daughter, who had nothing to do with her mother's crimes (and in point of fact hadn't even been thought of when the initial judgment was passed) who is already most likely not living under the greatest conditions to begin with who will now have to suffer for her mother's crimes.


Does Pagones have any children? If so, the point is moot.
 
2012-12-25 06:05:48 PM
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skinink: Can he also go after Spike Lee for reinforcing the lie that Twana told the truth?


Maybe a few points off this (otherwise great) movie?
 
2012-12-25 06:07:59 PM

Curious: Infernalist: Lawyer strongly recommended that I never contact the girl again and that my words, in the hands of a good lawyer, could be twisted to be made to sound as if I didn't hold her responsible for the accident and could be used to appeal the settlement in civil court.

which proves the adage that lawyers are worse than pond scum.


That's an insult to pond scum.
 
2012-12-25 06:10:16 PM

Honest Bender: ReapTheChaos: Wow, 25 years is a long time to hold a grudge.  Some people need to learn how to let things go.

Even when "holding a grudge" is worth over four hundred thousand dollars? I don't know if I'd be that forgiving... And it was a pretty terrible grudge to begin with...


The problem with these kind of judgments is that the person hardly ever pays them.  If they're poor, they simply tell the judge they don't have the means to pay and usually get out of it.  If they're rich they hire lawyers and tie it up in court for years and it ends up costing more than they would have gotten from the judgment.
 
2012-12-25 06:15:16 PM

Dragonflew: KiwDaWabbit: People who make false rape accusations are a special kind of shiatty.

I believe they should receive the same punishment as an actual rapist.


^^This^^ So much ^^This^^
 
2012-12-25 06:17:18 PM

The Southern Dandy: Dragonflew: KiwDaWabbit: People who make false rape accusations are a special kind of shiatty.

I believe they should receive the same punishment as an actual rapist.

^^This^^ So much ^^This^^


But if a woman says she's been raped, it is misogynist to claim that she might be lying. Men who rape women should be punished, not the women who have been raped.
 
2012-12-25 06:18:07 PM

theflatline: Did I mention this happened at Pat Obriens?


hence my rant. i got to N.O. just before Dutch was elected mayor. it's been depressing watching the city go to hell.
 
2012-12-25 06:22:55 PM
If you're old enough to make false accusations of eape and torture, you're old enough to live with the consequences. She's had 25 years to NOT live with the consequences.
 
2012-12-25 06:24:22 PM

noitsnot: But, I'm sorry, that's nuts. Teens standing up to adults and lecturing them about how they should do the right thing, because - you know - they have strayed from the path and need the voice of innocence to set them straight... That's just on TV shows. That's not real.


She didn't need to stand up to anyone or make moralising speeches. All she needed to do was at some point in the many, many times lawyers, police officers and the judge spoke to her say the words "He did not rape me." Then all the adults would be sidelined and the guy would be more or less free to go (after more investigation).
 
2012-12-25 06:24:35 PM
Admittedly Sharpton can be a bit of a demagogue, but I don't see the reason for the hate in this case. His "crime" here seems to be in believing what the young woman said happened to her. If a crime was made up then the fault is those who made it up and not those where duped into demanding justice.
 
2012-12-25 06:26:10 PM

here to help: Um... I'm not familiar with all this. My main question is... how did she end up in a garbage bag with racist sh*t written all over her? Sure they may have attacked innocent people but sounds like there was some kind of crime committed against her. I couldn't see a 15 yo being that diabolical.

Well maybe nowadays but not back then.

Meh.


The racist shiat was written upside down. A witness said he/she saw her climb in the garbage bag. Her clothes were burned but she was not. Her classmates said she was at a party when she said she was abducted. Her stepfather had a violent history and had beaten her before for staying out late, partying, and hanging out with boys.

I was all of a year old when this entire thing happened, but I can't say I blame the grand jury for finding her allegations less credible than a ham sandwich.
 
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