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(NYPost)   Paging Rev. Al Sharpton: Twenty-five years after a teenage Tawana Brawley falsely dragged his name through the mud as a gang-raping, kidnapping racist, it's payback time for Steven Pagones. Seeking to garnish her wages within the next couple of weeks   (nypost.com) divider line 342
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2012-12-25 04:12:19 PM  
can't say as i blame the guy. Especially since she has never apologized or cleared the record.
 
2012-12-25 04:13:48 PM  
Too bad he can't hit Big Al up and take it all
 
2012-12-25 04:13:49 PM  
Kinda curious to why she had the largest bill; the others seem to have had a much larger hand in the false accusations against him.
 
2012-12-25 04:15:41 PM  

Waldo Pepper: Too bad he can't hit Big Al up and take it all


Rev. Al already paid his share of the lawsuit he's free and clear.
 
2012-12-25 04:16:01 PM  
"He'll be scrubbing toilets in Tijuana, for pennies, and I'll be standing over him to get my cut."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKeL3Mu5AKo
 
2012-12-25 04:17:28 PM  
Because it was only $185k, but thanks to interest and *hand waving* jedi mind tricks, that amount has gone up considerably... And it was back a few years, but thats what I got out of it from RTFA...
 
2012-12-25 04:18:59 PM  
Can he also go after Spike Lee for reinforcing the lie that Twana told the truth?
 
2012-12-25 04:19:28 PM  
Good. Make her little lying ass pay up!
 
2012-12-25 04:19:58 PM  

borg: Waldo Pepper: Too bad he can't hit Big Al up and take it all

Rev. Al already paid his share of the lawsuit he's free and clear.


Yep, she's the last one of the people he got the judgement against who hasn't either paid up or is in the process of paying up (one of her lawyers, since dis-barred, is currently being garnished). And her share is so big now because of interest on the original amount.
 
2012-12-25 04:20:10 PM  
Pay attention, Zimmerman.
 
2012-12-25 04:20:42 PM  
Cue black outrage in 3, 2, 1...
 
2012-12-25 04:21:31 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Kinda curious to why she had the largest bill; the others seem to have had a much larger hand in the false accusations against him.


Interest. Also, she is the only one who isn't a lawyer or can afford a good one.
 
2012-12-25 04:22:05 PM  
Who wants to hear some "Ike" jokes?????
 
2012-12-25 04:22:22 PM  
People who make false rape accusations are a special kind of shiatty.
 
2012-12-25 04:23:05 PM  

Torqueknot: Satanic_Hamster: Kinda curious to why she had the largest bill; the others seem to have had a much larger hand in the false accusations against him.

Interest. Also, she is the only one who isn't a lawyer or can afford a good one.


I'm not as inclined to feel as much disdain for her as I am for Al Sharpton.  It's clear she made the story up to cover something up, and it was Sharpton and his scumbag buddies who turned it into what it became.  I don't think that was her intention at all.

Of course, she had the power to end it at any time.
 
2012-12-25 04:25:11 PM  

jake_lex: Torqueknot: Satanic_Hamster: Kinda curious to why she had the largest bill; the others seem to have had a much larger hand in the false accusations against him.

Interest. Also, she is the only one who isn't a lawyer or can afford a good one.

I'm not as inclined to feel as much disdain for her as I am for Al Sharpton.  It's clear she made the story up to cover something up, and it was Sharpton and his scumbag buddies who turned it into what it became.  I don't think that was her intention at all.

Of course, she had the power to end it at any time.


And Al paid up damn quick, to get it behind him.
 
2012-12-25 04:25:14 PM  
Why wasn't she prosecuted for making false statements? Is perjury not a crime in US criminal cases?

/ I know it's legal to lie in a civil writ, at least in CA, as I've been on the receiving end
 
2012-12-25 04:25:36 PM  
Only thing I will complain about here: She was 15. Are 15yos liable? Fully liable? Even somewhat liable? Fifteens can't into licensured driving.
 
2012-12-25 04:25:50 PM  
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2012-12-25 04:26:24 PM  
Good luck with that. $175 a week will pay off that $429,000 in roughly 47 years.
 
2012-12-25 04:26:31 PM  
Off Topic: Rev. Al Sharpton was "ordained" at the age of ten and doesn't actually have any religious training.
 
2012-12-25 04:28:54 PM  
I remember the case quite well, and was not surprised when it came out she had lied. However, I don't recall the media reporting the defamation judgments at all -- unlike their rabid coverage of the original story. In any case, any monies he gets will unlikely make up for losing his job as prosecutor and the crap he had to deal with because she lied so her mama wouldn't whip her arse for whoring around.
 
2012-12-25 04:31:07 PM  
Easy to guess, but unable to be sure the type of advice, encoragement, brainwashing that Sharpton and others pushed onto her. She was only 15, but surely old enough to understand wrong from right.
It was her that initiated the situation. So ultimetly it was up to her to end the farce that it was. Not that it would have been easy for her to throw off the pressure. Still, it started with her, and she should bare the brunt of the penilties for it.
Sharpton and other should do the right thing and admitt their part in fanning the flames, and pitch in to set things right. But they won't, its not in their nature to admitt fault. That would mean they would have to admitt that they are as racist, if not more so, than those they accused
 
2012-12-25 04:31:08 PM  

ClavellBCMI: jake_lex: Torqueknot: Satanic_Hamster: Kinda curious to why she had the largest bill; the others seem to have had a much larger hand in the false accusations against him.

And Al paid up damn quick, to get it behind him.


FTFA: Sharpton paid his $66,000 judgment to Pagones, with help from OJ Simpson lawyer Johnnie Cochran and others.

More than likely, Reverend Slimy never paid a cent, he had his wealthy friends pay the penalty, just as he has others pay for everything else. Slimeball.
 
2012-12-25 04:31:32 PM  

jake_lex: Torqueknot: Satanic_Hamster: Kinda curious to why she had the largest bill; the others seem to have had a much larger hand in the false accusations against him.

Interest. Also, she is the only one who isn't a lawyer or can afford a good one.

I'm not as inclined to feel as much disdain for her as I am for Al Sharpton.  It's clear she made the story up to cover something up, and it was Sharpton and his scumbag buddies who turned it into what it became.  I don't think that was her intention at all.

Of course, she had the power to end it at any time.


She made up a story that didn't blame anyone specifically - just "some white guys did it". The accusations of specific people didn't happen until the other DB's got involved.
 
2012-12-25 04:32:02 PM  

KiwDaWabbit: People who make false rape accusations are a special kind of shiatty.


I believe they should receive the same punishment as an actual rapist.
 
2012-12-25 04:32:53 PM  

Phoenix_M: Off Topic: Rev. Al Sharpton was "ordained" at the age of ten and doesn't actually have any religious training.


Hell I'm ordained from the internet. Maybe I should change my name to thatpriestoverthere?
 
2012-12-25 04:35:11 PM  

thatboyoverthere: Phoenix_M: Off Topic: Rev. Al Sharpton was "ordained" at the age of ten and doesn't actually have any religious training.

Hell I'm ordained from the internet. Maybe I should change my name to thatpriestoverthere?


You have as legit a right to call yourself "Reverend" as Al Sharpton does, go for it.
 
2012-12-25 04:35:23 PM  
The fact that she doesn't use the last name "Brawley" now and was basically in hiding makes me think she knew the garnishment was coming eventually.

/no doubt she'll feel raped by the staggering amount
 
2012-12-25 04:35:47 PM  
I hope the guy gets every cent owed him though I think sharpton should have had a bigger judgement against him. He was the one with the soapbox who really perpetuated the lie.

Did he ever get sued for the duke lacross lie? If so, did he have a judgement against him?
 
2012-12-25 04:35:47 PM  

Arcturus72: Because it was only $185k, but thanks to interest and *hand waving* jedi mind tricks, that amount has gone up considerably... And it was back a few years, but thats what I got out of it from RTFA...


Compound interest is a biatch. Actually, it doesn't look like a very high interest rate based on the fact that she owes just over twice the initial amount after, what, 28 years? 3, 3.5-ish percent maybe? (I'm too lazy to do the math.)
 
2012-12-25 04:35:57 PM  
Whether he paid the penalty or not, it's a real disgrace that Sharpton continues to enjoy ANY media credibility. He has a show on MSNBC and was on Fox way too many times for my liking. He should be in hiding along with Tawana.
 
2012-12-25 04:35:59 PM  
Reminds me of the time I had a cashier working for me at Pat Obriens, she would chew grape Hubba Bubba, three pieces at a time, and then when her jaw got tired, she would put it on her giant fake fingernail, saying the gum still had flavor.

So one day a customer thinks that purple blob in his drink is a big piece of fruit....  Needless to say I had to fire her.

So I get called to the labor board for racism, then I provide the judge with a pic of me and my black grandma in Colombia, and my brown ass standing there, and a video of her with the gum on her thumb, plus all of her reprimands for money missing out of the register.

I was exonerated, but still...  I wish her wages were garnished too.
 
2012-12-25 04:36:25 PM  

Dragonflew: KiwDaWabbit: People who make false rape accusations are a special kind of shiatty.

I believe they should receive the same punishment as an actual rapist.


Rape?
 
2012-12-25 04:36:38 PM  
Wow, 25 years is a long time to hold a grudge.  Some people need to learn how to let things go.
 
2012-12-25 04:36:40 PM  

DownDaRiver: Easy to guess, but unable to be sure the type of advice, encoragement, brainwashing that Sharpton and others pushed onto her. She was only 15, but surely old enough to understand wrong from right.
It was her that initiated the situation. So ultimetly it was up to her to end the farce that it was. Not that it would have been easy for her to throw off the pressure. Still, it started with her, and she should bare the brunt of the penilties for it.
Sharpton and other should do the right thing and admitt their part in fanning the flames, and pitch in to set things right. But they won't, its not in their nature to admitt fault. That would mean they would have to admitt that they are as racist, if not more so, than those they accused


You guys have weird ideas - like some 15yo girl is gonna stand up to a bunch of pushy money grubbing adults, including her parents who beat her.
 
2012-12-25 04:37:16 PM  
Neither Brawley or Sharpton ever served a single day of time for their crimes; to the best of my knowledge they were never even arrested for anything.

The Duke Fake Rape "Victim" also never faced arrest and trial, but she did get busted for murdering a guy some time later. The DA was never arrested, though right to the last he tried to force people he knew were innocent to perjure themselves and admit to lesser "crimes" which they also did not commit----all to save his useless "reputation."

Makes ne want to throw up.
 
2012-12-25 04:38:47 PM  

ReapTheChaos: Wow, 25 years is a long time to hold a grudge.  Some people need to learn how to let things go.


Even when "holding a grudge" is worth over four hundred thousand dollars? I don't know if I'd be that forgiving... And it was a pretty terrible grudge to begin with...
 
2012-12-25 04:39:02 PM  
So, this Pagones guy, he was a Lacrosse player at Duke, right? Or was that a different claim of gang rape that everyone believed initially, that turned out to be total crap?

You'd think after the Brawley incident that people would learn that sometimes, it's best to reserve your outrage until there's actual proof of something to be outraged about.

In my career I've taken probably....50 initial reports from people of all genders, races, ages, etc who have alleged sexual abuse. I'd be surprised if half of those turned out to be true. The number of people who claim that a parent is molesting them, or the number of teenage girls who claim to be raped to cover up consenual sex with a boyfriend or girlfriend is STAGGERING. Makes you wonder how somebody can intentionally ruin somebody's life to avoid being grounded for a few months.
 
2012-12-25 04:41:24 PM  

fusillade762: Dragonflew: KiwDaWabbit: People who make false rape accusations are a special kind of shiatty.

I believe they should receive the same punishment as an actual rapist.

Rape?


In Texas that's about three years probation. I've witnessed this in court. I think rapists deserve actual punishment. Judge Ogden Bass of my long, untold CSB deserves to be raped for three years straight.
 
2012-12-25 04:41:41 PM  

Honest Bender: Good luck with that. $175 a week will pay off that $429,000 in roughly 47 years.


The point of all this is not to make a fortune out of this deal. The point of this is to make her pay for her false accusations. If that's enough to make her work as hard as she can and still earn 75% of what she is paid as a punishment for farking up other people's lives, that's a form of justice.
 
2012-12-25 04:43:15 PM  

ReapTheChaos: Wow, 25 years is a long time to hold a grudge. Some people need to learn how to let things go.


It's kind of hard to let go petty little things, such as completely farking up a man's life.
 
2012-12-25 04:51:53 PM  
I have to say I'm conflicted on this one.

On the one hand, I fully believe that if you accuse someone of rape, your name should be put out in public along with the name of the accused, and if it can be proven that you maliciously lied about it that your assets should be seized and given to the person you falsely accused, along with a substantial jail sentence.

On the other hand, TFA says that she has a grade-school aged daughter, who had nothing to do with her mother's crimes (and in point of fact hadn't even been thought of when the initial judgment was passed) who is already most likely not living under the greatest conditions to begin with who will now have to suffer for her mother's crimes.

Truly a no win situation.
 
2012-12-25 04:52:44 PM  

skinink: Can he also go after Spike Lee for reinforcing the lie that Twana told the truth?


Oh, if only THIS were possible!!! It would be a Christmas Miracle!!
 
2012-12-25 04:54:02 PM  
I am utterly divided over this.

Dude deserves everything he's got coming from a lying, race baiting little biatch who would ruin lives rather than face punishment for her own deeds.

Victim of chronic asskicking abuse, cyclical poverty, lousy education, and racist indoctrination tries to save her ass with a lie, only to watch her own children do without because of it, as the punch line to the cruel joke that life as a young black single mother must be...

It's like mental ping pong. I'm beginning to lean towards the dude.
 
2012-12-25 04:55:01 PM  

JasonKY: I have to say I'm conflicted on this one.

On the one hand, I fully believe that if you accuse someone of rape, your name should be put out in public along with the name of the accused, and if it can be proven that you maliciously lied about it that your assets should be seized and given to the person you falsely accused, along with a substantial jail sentence.

On the other hand, TFA says that she has a grade-school aged daughter, who had nothing to do with her mother's crimes (and in point of fact hadn't even been thought of when the initial judgment was passed) who is already most likely not living under the greatest conditions to begin with who will now have to suffer for her mother's crimes.

Truly a no win situation.


Or as you grow into an adult you would apologize for the sins of your youth, because you would realize that you were wrong, and maybe this man whose life you ruined would forgive you.  But no, you change your name and get outta town...

No accountability is a huge problem in our nation, from the top to the bottom.
 
2012-12-25 04:58:21 PM  
Say isn't Rev Sharpton a host on MSNBC and frequent contributor to Morning Joe ?

//* cough.
 
2012-12-25 04:59:39 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Only thing I will complain about here: She was 15. Are 15yos liable? Fully liable? Even somewhat liable? Fifteens can't into licensured driving.


Hmm., good point. I mean, if we've already decided that 15 years isn't old enough to decide whether or not to get pissed on, I don't see how we can pass this kind of judgment.
 
2012-12-25 05:00:26 PM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: In my career I've taken probably....50 initial reports from people of all genders, races, ages, etc who have alleged sexual abuse. I'd be surprised if half of those turned out to be true. The number of people who claim that a parent is molesting them, or the number of teenage girls who claim to be raped to cover up consenual sex with a boyfriend or girlfriend is STAGGERING. Makes you wonder how somebody can intentionally ruin somebody's life to avoid being grounded for a few months.


Teenagers generally don't think about whose life they might be ruining when they're that terrified of what their parents will do. Obviously, I'm no parenting expert, but I think it's better to be open and teach your kids actual decision making skills, that decisions have consequences, and that you have to own every single one of your own actions than it is to teach them that certain things are terrible and to just stay away from all of these things or else.
 
2012-12-25 05:02:20 PM  

olddinosaur: Neither Brawley or Sharpton ever served a single day of time for their crimes; to the best of my knowledge they were never even arrested for anything.

The Duke Fake Rape "Victim" also never faced arrest and trial, but she did get busted for murdering a guy some time later. The DA was never arrested, though right to the last he tried to force people he knew were innocent to perjure themselves and admit to lesser "crimes" which they also did not commit----all to save his useless "reputation."

Makes ne want to throw up.


Ne, too. . . .

/high five?
 
2012-12-25 05:03:38 PM  

noitsnot: DownDaRiver: Easy to guess, but unable to be sure the type of advice, encoragement, brainwashing that Sharpton and others pushed onto her. She was only 15, but surely old enough to understand wrong from right.
It was her that initiated the situation. So ultimetly it was up to her to end the farce that it was. Not that it would have been easy for her to throw off the pressure. Still, it started with her, and she should bare the brunt of the penilties for it.
Sharpton and other should do the right thing and admitt their part in fanning the flames, and pitch in to set things right. But they won't, its not in their nature to admitt fault. That would mean they would have to admitt that they are as racist, if not more so, than those they accused

You guys have weird ideas - like some 15yo girl is gonna stand up to a bunch of pushy money grubbing adults, including her parents who beat her.


I did state that it wouldn't have been easy for her to throw off the pressure. I'm sure that the pressure was guite tremendous. Tough for anybody to deal with.

But, it did start with her. It was up to her to stop it.
 
2012-12-25 05:06:38 PM  
I'm torn on this issue on one hand the courts should not be able to be use by he higher classes to torment the lower classes

On the other hand people who falsely accuse people of rape should be subjected to the worst forms of torture
 
2012-12-25 05:07:13 PM  
Seems to me that she could still end this by owning her shiat.
 
2012-12-25 05:08:00 PM  
For everyone of her is three more in a dumpster. fark Sharpton. He's a disease.
 
2012-12-25 05:10:43 PM  
I remember the incident, was living in Virginia Beach at the time, that's where she fled to.
 
2012-12-25 05:11:38 PM  
what a cast of characters...
 
2012-12-25 05:12:20 PM  
I'm sure Al will step up and cover it for her. He's a stand up guy.
 
2012-12-25 05:14:28 PM  
It's amazing what 5.9% interest can do when you don't pay attention to it.
 
2012-12-25 05:16:41 PM  
She should sue Sharpton for the money. Cant believe there isnt an attorney willing to at least look at the case.
 
2012-12-25 05:17:10 PM  
Tawana, 25 years ago:
"No one manipsmates me."
(What she actually said, phonetically spelled.)
 
2012-12-25 05:17:10 PM  
Al Shartpon is a special kind of liberal. He offends other liberals sometimes. They will still keep in around to unleash upon those who dare disagree with them. The relationship is similar to that of the Arab world and the Palestines. I think every Total Farker owes this man some money too.
 
2012-12-25 05:18:30 PM  

prince of peas: ClavellBCMI: jake_lex: Torqueknot: Satanic_Hamster: Kinda curious to why she had the largest bill; the others seem to have had a much larger hand in the false accusations against him.

And Al paid up damn quick, to get it behind him.

FTFA: Sharpton paid his $66,000 judgment to Pagones, with help from OJ Simpson lawyer Johnnie Cochran and others.

More than likely, Reverend Slimy never paid a cent, he had his wealthy friends pay the penalty, just as he has others pay for everything else. Slimeball.


He has many rich liberal friends.
 
2012-12-25 05:19:07 PM  
Funny how Theateus isn't around for this thread...
 
2012-12-25 05:19:14 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Pay attention, Zimmerman.


Close but not quite!
 
2012-12-25 05:19:14 PM  

theflatline: JasonKY: I have to say I'm conflicted on this one.

On the one hand, I fully believe that if you accuse someone of rape, your name should be put out in public along with the name of the accused, and if it can be proven that you maliciously lied about it that your assets should be seized and given to the person you falsely accused, along with a substantial jail sentence.

On the other hand, TFA says that she has a grade-school aged daughter, who had nothing to do with her mother's crimes (and in point of fact hadn't even been thought of when the initial judgment was passed) who is already most likely not living under the greatest conditions to begin with who will now have to suffer for her mother's crimes.

Truly a no win situation.

Or as you grow into an adult you would apologize for the sins of your youth, because you would realize that you were wrong, and maybe this man whose life you ruined would forgive you.  But no, you change your name and get outta town...

No accountability is a huge problem in our nation, from the top to the bottom.


I've seen people advising others not to apologize for the most trivial shiate because it admits legal liability. There are people who will exploit your best intentions to be decent, and I don't want my freedom or financial security sacrificed on that altar, myself.
 
2012-12-25 05:20:13 PM  
Um... I'm not familiar with all this. My main question is... how did she end up in a garbage bag with racist sh*t written all over her? Sure they may have attacked innocent people but sounds like there was some kind of crime committed against her. I couldn't see a 15 yo being that diabolical.

Well maybe nowadays but not back then.

Meh.
 
2012-12-25 05:21:16 PM  

Honest Bender: Good luck with that. $175 a week will pay off that $429,000 in roughly 47 years.


She could always sell weed. Might just have to.
 
2012-12-25 05:22:37 PM  

Carousel Beast: Funny how Theateus isn't around for this thread...


If you spell it right, maybe he'll show up.
 
2012-12-25 05:23:37 PM  
From the end of the article it sounds like he might wave the money if she comes clean.
 
2012-12-25 05:24:20 PM  

traxan: Whether he paid the penalty or not, it's a real disgrace that Sharpton continues to enjoy ANY media credibility. He has a show on MSNBC and was on Fox way too many times for my liking. He should be in hiding along with Tawana.


i'll take MSNBC over Fox any day but when they put Al on they lost a lot of credence.
 
2012-12-25 05:24:50 PM  

NannyStatePark: theflatline: JasonKY: I have to say I'm conflicted on this one.

On the one hand, I fully believe that if you accuse someone of rape, your name should be put out in public along with the name of the accused, and if it can be proven that you maliciously lied about it that your assets should be seized and given to the person you falsely accused, along with a substantial jail sentence.

On the other hand, TFA says that she has a grade-school aged daughter, who had nothing to do with her mother's crimes (and in point of fact hadn't even been thought of when the initial judgment was passed) who is already most likely not living under the greatest conditions to begin with who will now have to suffer for her mother's crimes.

Truly a no win situation.

Or as you grow into an adult you would apologize for the sins of your youth, because you would realize that you were wrong, and maybe this man whose life you ruined would forgive you.  But no, you change your name and get outta town...

No accountability is a huge problem in our nation, from the top to the bottom.

I've seen people advising others not to apologize for the most trivial shiate because it admits legal liability. There are people who will exploit your best intentions to be decent, and I don't want my freedom or financial security sacrificed on that altar, myself.


CSB time:

Just got a settlement from a car accident I was in. I got hit and my leg run over and broken. The settlement will be here in a few weeks and I was asking my lawyer about maybe sending the girl a card or a note letting her know that I held no ill will or animosity toward her for her mistake.

Lawyer strongly recommended that I never contact the girl again and that my words, in the hands of a good lawyer, could be twisted to be made to sound as if I didn't hold her responsible for the accident and could be used to appeal the settlement in civil court.

Nasty business, this is.
 
2012-12-25 05:25:26 PM  

CaffietineFiend: Good. Make her little lying ass pay up!


She isn't so little anymore....
 
2012-12-25 05:26:22 PM  

fanbladesaresharp: Honest Bender: Good luck with that. $175 a week will pay off that $429,000 in roughly 47 years.

She could always sell weed. Might just have to.


This will not please the left. Race baiting and creating victims out of nothing is what the Democrats excel at. You condone him contiually with your money and praise

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SBFREiCkf8
 
2012-12-25 05:28:53 PM  

Tsar_Bomba1: From the end of the article it sounds like he might wave the money if she comes clean.


Probably right under her nose, right?
 
2012-12-25 05:30:53 PM  

theflatline: Reminds me of the time I had a cashier working for me at Pat Obriens, she would chew grape Hubba Bubba, three pieces at a time, and then when her jaw got tired, she would put it on her giant fake fingernail, saying the gum still had flavor.

So one day a customer thinks that purple blob in his drink is a big piece of fruit....  Needless to say I had to fire her.

So I get called to the labor board for racism, then I provide the judge with a pic of me and my black grandma in Colombia, and my brown ass standing there, and a video of her with the gum on her thumb, plus all of her reprimands for money missing out of the register.

I was exonerated, but still...  I wish her wages were garnished too.


fired three guys for smoking dope at work. two filed EEOC complaints. the complaints were dismissed since our hiring/firing closely matched the racial profile of the city. we still had to spend time and money fending the complaints off. black folks in N.O. historically are real quick to call some racist bullshiat. 

btw that's not IMO it's "in my experience" as a manager of semiskilled workers in the 80s.
 
2012-12-25 05:31:41 PM  

JasonKY: On the other hand, TFA says that she has a grade-school aged daughter, who had nothing to do with her mother's crimes (and in point of fact hadn't even been thought of when the initial judgment was passed) who is already most likely not living under the greatest conditions to begin with who will now have to suffer for her mother's crimes.


People who can't afford to have children should...
 
2012-12-25 05:35:04 PM  

DownDaRiver: noitsnot: DownDaRiver: Easy to guess, but unable to be sure the type of advice, encoragement, brainwashing that Sharpton and others pushed onto her. She was only 15, but surely old enough to understand wrong from right.
It was her that initiated the situation. So ultimetly it was up to her to end the farce that it was. Not that it would have been easy for her to throw off the pressure. Still, it started with her, and she should bare the brunt of the penilties for it.
Sharpton and other should do the right thing and admitt their part in fanning the flames, and pitch in to set things right. But they won't, its not in their nature to admitt fault. That would mean they would have to admitt that they are as racist, if not more so, than those they accused

You guys have weird ideas - like some 15yo girl is gonna stand up to a bunch of pushy money grubbing adults, including her parents who beat her.

I did state that it wouldn't have been easy for her to throw off the pressure. I'm sure that the pressure was guite tremendous. Tough for anybody to deal with.

But, it did start with her. It was up to her to stop it.


But, I'm sorry, that's nuts. Teens standing up to adults and lecturing them about how they should do the right thing, because - you know - they have strayed from the path and need the voice of innocence to set them straight... That's just on TV shows. That's not real.
 
2012-12-25 05:38:50 PM  

tlchwi02: can't say as i blame the guy. Especially since she has never apologized or cleared the record.


That's the only thing from calling this guy an asshole, she should have apologized to him years ago and he probably would have been fine but now fark her.

I still think sharpton should have been forced to pay more for being the race-baiting shiat stain he really is.
 
2012-12-25 05:39:54 PM  

jake_lex: Torqueknot: Satanic_Hamster: Kinda curious to why she had the largest bill; the others seem to have had a much larger hand in the false accusations against him.

Interest. Also, she is the only one who isn't a lawyer or can afford a good one.

I'm not as inclined to feel as much disdain for her as I am for Al Sharpton.  It's clear she made the story up to cover something up, and it was Sharpton and his scumbag buddies who turned it into what it became.  I don't think that was her intention at all.

Of course, she had the power to end it at any time.


Agreed.

qlenfg: I remember the case quite well, and was not surprised when it came out she had lied. However, I don't recall the media reporting the defamation judgments at all -- unlike their rabid coverage of the original story. In any case, any monies he gets will unlikely make up for losing his job as prosecutor and the crap he had to deal with because she lied so her mama wouldn't whip her arse for whoring around.


Of course not, Al Sharpton et al had no interest in publicizing them. This is the first I heard of it also.

olddinosaur: Neither Brawley or Sharpton ever served a single day of time for their crimes; to the best of my knowledge they were never even arrested for anything.

The Duke Fake Rape "Victim" also never faced arrest and trial, but she did get busted for murdering a guy some time later. The DA was never arrested, though right to the last he tried to force people he knew were innocent to perjure themselves and admit to lesser "crimes" which they also did not commit----all to save his useless "reputation."

Makes ne want to throw up.


Yeah, bad DAs normally never get punished.
 
2012-12-25 05:40:35 PM  

Infernalist: Lawyer strongly recommended that I never contact the girl again and that my words, in the hands of a good lawyer, could be twisted to be made to sound as if I didn't hold her responsible for the accident and could be used to appeal the settlement in civil court.


which proves the adage that lawyers are worse than pond scum.
 
2012-12-25 05:42:00 PM  

Curious: theflatline: Reminds me of the time I had a cashier working for me at Pat Obriens, she would chew grape Hubba Bubba, three pieces at a time, and then when her jaw got tired, she would put it on her giant fake fingernail, saying the gum still had flavor.

So one day a customer thinks that purple blob in his drink is a big piece of fruit....  Needless to say I had to fire her.

So I get called to the labor board for racism, then I provide the judge with a pic of me and my black grandma in Colombia, and my brown ass standing there, and a video of her with the gum on her thumb, plus all of her reprimands for money missing out of the register.

I was exonerated, but still...  I wish her wages were garnished too.

fired three guys for smoking dope at work. two filed EEOC complaints. the complaints were dismissed since our hiring/firing closely matched the racial profile of the city. we still had to spend time and money fending the complaints off. black folks in N.O. historically are real quick to call some racist bullshiat. 

btw that's not IMO it's "in my experience" as a manager of semiskilled workers in the 80s.


Did I mention this happened at Pat Obriens?
 
2012-12-25 05:43:02 PM  
You can sue a 16 year old for defamation?
 
2012-12-25 05:44:55 PM  
Tawana Brawley is a racist. So is Sharpton.
 
2012-12-25 05:47:59 PM  
Anything I say will come off sounding racist but I'm betting someone doesn't even know the definition of defamation.

www.the-two-malcontents.com
 
2012-12-25 05:49:39 PM  

Loren: Yeah, bad DAs normally never get punished.


The DA in the Duke case (Mike Nifong) was disbarred.
 
2012-12-25 05:49:52 PM  
www.nypost.com: SHOW ME THE MONEY
 
2012-12-25 05:51:28 PM  
I have a problem with these claims that she made it up. If she says it's rape, that's proof enough for me to believe it's rape.
 
2012-12-25 05:55:04 PM  
I thought I remember reading somewhere that Rev, Douche Sharpton still thinks that she was raped.
 
2012-12-25 05:57:18 PM  

KiwDaWabbit: People who make false rape accusations are a special kind of shiatty.


No such thing. If a woman says she was raped, she was raped. We should accept their word as gospel.
 
2012-12-25 06:01:17 PM  

JasonKY: On the other hand, TFA says that she has a grade-school aged daughter, who had nothing to do with her mother's crimes (and in point of fact hadn't even been thought of when the initial judgment was passed) who is already most likely not living under the greatest conditions to begin with who will now have to suffer for her mother's crimes.


Does Pagones have any children? If so, the point is moot.
 
2012-12-25 06:05:48 PM  
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skinink: Can he also go after Spike Lee for reinforcing the lie that Twana told the truth?


Maybe a few points off this (otherwise great) movie?
 
2012-12-25 06:07:59 PM  

Curious: Infernalist: Lawyer strongly recommended that I never contact the girl again and that my words, in the hands of a good lawyer, could be twisted to be made to sound as if I didn't hold her responsible for the accident and could be used to appeal the settlement in civil court.

which proves the adage that lawyers are worse than pond scum.


That's an insult to pond scum.
 
2012-12-25 06:10:16 PM  

Honest Bender: ReapTheChaos: Wow, 25 years is a long time to hold a grudge.  Some people need to learn how to let things go.

Even when "holding a grudge" is worth over four hundred thousand dollars? I don't know if I'd be that forgiving... And it was a pretty terrible grudge to begin with...


The problem with these kind of judgments is that the person hardly ever pays them.  If they're poor, they simply tell the judge they don't have the means to pay and usually get out of it.  If they're rich they hire lawyers and tie it up in court for years and it ends up costing more than they would have gotten from the judgment.
 
2012-12-25 06:15:16 PM  

Dragonflew: KiwDaWabbit: People who make false rape accusations are a special kind of shiatty.

I believe they should receive the same punishment as an actual rapist.


^^This^^ So much ^^This^^
 
2012-12-25 06:17:18 PM  

The Southern Dandy: Dragonflew: KiwDaWabbit: People who make false rape accusations are a special kind of shiatty.

I believe they should receive the same punishment as an actual rapist.

^^This^^ So much ^^This^^


But if a woman says she's been raped, it is misogynist to claim that she might be lying. Men who rape women should be punished, not the women who have been raped.
 
2012-12-25 06:18:07 PM  

theflatline: Did I mention this happened at Pat Obriens?


hence my rant. i got to N.O. just before Dutch was elected mayor. it's been depressing watching the city go to hell.
 
2012-12-25 06:22:55 PM  
If you're old enough to make false accusations of eape and torture, you're old enough to live with the consequences. She's had 25 years to NOT live with the consequences.
 
2012-12-25 06:24:22 PM  

noitsnot: But, I'm sorry, that's nuts. Teens standing up to adults and lecturing them about how they should do the right thing, because - you know - they have strayed from the path and need the voice of innocence to set them straight... That's just on TV shows. That's not real.


She didn't need to stand up to anyone or make moralising speeches. All she needed to do was at some point in the many, many times lawyers, police officers and the judge spoke to her say the words "He did not rape me." Then all the adults would be sidelined and the guy would be more or less free to go (after more investigation).
 
2012-12-25 06:24:35 PM  
Admittedly Sharpton can be a bit of a demagogue, but I don't see the reason for the hate in this case. His "crime" here seems to be in believing what the young woman said happened to her. If a crime was made up then the fault is those who made it up and not those where duped into demanding justice.
 
2012-12-25 06:26:10 PM  

here to help: Um... I'm not familiar with all this. My main question is... how did she end up in a garbage bag with racist sh*t written all over her? Sure they may have attacked innocent people but sounds like there was some kind of crime committed against her. I couldn't see a 15 yo being that diabolical.

Well maybe nowadays but not back then.

Meh.


The racist shiat was written upside down. A witness said he/she saw her climb in the garbage bag. Her clothes were burned but she was not. Her classmates said she was at a party when she said she was abducted. Her stepfather had a violent history and had beaten her before for staying out late, partying, and hanging out with boys.

I was all of a year old when this entire thing happened, but I can't say I blame the grand jury for finding her allegations less credible than a ham sandwich.
 
2012-12-25 06:27:50 PM  
I'm willing to bet if she spoke with him ad gave an explanation and apologized, he would probably drop this. But the fact that she ran off and has been living under a false identty all these years tells me she has never accepted responsibility for any of this.
 
2012-12-25 06:28:03 PM  
Hi Tawana I work for Random House Publishing .

How would like to make all your money problems go away ? We want you to write a book .

I can set you up with a ghost writer and you can tell the world how you were used by Rev Sharpton and those lawyers.

I mean Sharpton has TV show and is making mad money with MSNBC and what are you gettin' girl ?
 
2012-12-25 06:30:12 PM  

TheMysteriousStranger: Admittedly Sharpton can be a bit of a demagogue, but I don't see the reason for the hate in this case. His "crime" here seems to be in believing what the young woman said happened to her. If a crime was made up then the fault is those who made it up and not those where duped into demanding justice.


That's the part that will never be clear. I don't pretend to know what it's like to be a prosecutor, but I would imagine that you have to ask your client to tell the entire truth (much like I would imagine a defense attorney would do). Then, it's up to their conscience whether to continue to prosecute an innocent person or defend a guilty person.

As for everyone else who was caught up in it, well, that's tough to say. It's the classic question of "What did you know and when did you know it?"
 
2012-12-25 06:31:27 PM  

TheMysteriousStranger: Admittedly Sharpton can be a bit of a demagogue, but I don't see the reason for the hate in this case. His "crime" here seems to be in believing what the young woman said happened to her. If a crime was made up then the fault is those who made it up and not those where duped into demanding justice.


Um, no. He noted a law-enforcement suicide that happened just afterwards and HE's the one who said "See, there's one of the white perps! And a cop!" The prosecutor guy said, "um, no, he wasn't there" and Sharpton upped it to include the prosecutor as well. That was all his idea.
 
2012-12-25 06:32:04 PM  
If I remember Al's perspective, the point is not whether the allegations were true, but rather the undisputed fact that in the past, there were black women raped by white men. Therefore he is guilty.
 
2012-12-25 06:36:40 PM  
People will disagree with me on this but she has a kid and is already poor. The girl is no good but the kid is definitely going to suffer and may even end up going hungry. I'm not sure how this is "justice"
 
2012-12-25 06:38:45 PM  
Al never paid a cent from his own pocket...he had other people chip in and also took up a collection from poor old black ladies who went to church.

Als always exploiting someone.
 
2012-12-25 06:41:29 PM  

TheMysteriousStranger: Admittedly Sharpton can be a bit of a demagogue, but I don't see the reason for the hate in this case. His "crime" here seems to be in believing what the young woman said happened to her.


and then exploiting it for his personal gain. this site may be questionable but they seem to have the basic facts right about the "Rev" lustrous career. when you spent your life pushing racial hate you can't be surprised folks dislike you.
 
2012-12-25 06:41:50 PM  

Curious: traxan: Whether he paid the penalty or not, it's a real disgrace that Sharpton continues to enjoy ANY media credibility. He has a show on MSNBC and was on Fox way too many times for my liking. He should be in hiding along with Tawana.

i'll take MSNBC over Fox any day but when they put Al on they lost a lot of credence.


This.  I am continually amazed the latter-day liberals like Maddow want to share a screen with this exploitive liar.
 
2012-12-25 06:41:55 PM  

ko_kyi: If I remember Al's perspective, the point is not whether the allegations were true, but rather the undisputed fact that in the past, there were black women raped by white men. Therefore he is guilty.


So he is a liberal.
 
2012-12-25 06:44:42 PM  
Rev Al better not cough up too much money over Tawana Brawley....because he is going to have his a## in a major sling after George Zimmerman is done with his Jheri Curl. With Sharpton lying about the crime (Trayvon Martin assaulted Zimmerman...that is FACT)...and appearing with the Black Ku Klux Klan (New Black Panthers) handing out "Wanted Dead or Alive" posters...Sharpton is gonna need some help.
 
2012-12-25 06:49:00 PM  

redmid17: The racist shiat was written upside down. A witness said he/she saw her climb in the garbage bag. Her clothes were burned but she was not. Her classmates said she was at a party when she said she was abducted. Her stepfather had a violent history and had beaten her before for staying out late, partying, and hanging out with boys.

I was all of a year old when this entire thing happened, but I can't say I blame the grand jury for finding her allegations less credible than a ham sandwich.


Well that's all kinds of messed up. I'm inclined to say, although she made a MASSIVE error in judgment, as a minor who was being abused and then manipulated by scumbags perhaps dinging her specifically for almost half a mil is... well, messed up.

But the dude said he'd drop it if she just told the truth. That's what she should do. The step dad and all the weasels who used her should face various criminal charges.
 
2012-12-25 06:50:49 PM  

Nemo's Brother: ko_kyi: If I remember Al's perspective, the point is not whether the allegations were true, but rather the undisputed fact that in the past, there were black women raped by white men. Therefore he is guilty.

So he is a liberal.


Oh, just stop.
 
2012-12-25 06:52:29 PM  
Glad this kind of irrelevant racist bullshiat doesn't happen much anymore, for the most part America's different races are getting along better than ever before and better than they do in Europe.
 
2012-12-25 06:57:55 PM  
I hope this dude takes everything she owns, and still gets more. It's already despicable because it was a lie. But when someone lies about something like rape: when there are thousands of people out there who are REALLY going through something so horrible, and likely getting nothing in return, you become the lowest of the low. I hope she's homeless, when this is over, and even that will be too good for her.
 
2012-12-25 06:58:55 PM  
If all this woman has to do is tell the world that man is innocent, and she refuses, then she deserves what's coming to her. I didn't realize she still had that option. The way things are now, I'd send her my most decadent dinner receipts with "thanks, biatch" written on them if I was that guy.

\figured myself out
 
2012-12-25 07:03:52 PM  
She moved to Richmond? Only a matter of time until history repeats itself.
 
2012-12-25 07:06:11 PM  

DancingElkCondor: Rev Al better not cough up too much money over Tawana Brawley....because he is going to have his a## in a major sling after George Zimmerman is done with his Jheri Curl. With Sharpton lying about the crime (Trayvon Martin assaulted Zimmerman...that is FACT)...and appearing with the Black Ku Klux Klan (New Black Panthers) handing out "Wanted Dead or Alive" posters...Sharpton is gonna need some help.


Al Sharpton has a PERM not a Jheri Curl. Hasn't this case brewed up enough disinformation?
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/let your soul glow
 
2012-12-25 07:06:37 PM  

Orange-Pippin: People will disagree with me on this but she has a kid and is already poor. The girl is no good but the kid is definitely going to suffer and may even end up going hungry. I'm not sure how this is "justice"



Never heard of food stamps?

Kids survive. FARK that biatch.
 
2012-12-25 07:06:40 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Kinda curious to why she had the largest bill; the others seem to have had a much larger hand in the false accusations against him.


she started the whole affair. others came to her cause and championed for her. she's the #1. the idiot. the liar. Al Sharpton has been an idiot and a liar most all his life, he can't help it.
 
2012-12-25 07:06:44 PM  
Merry Christmas
 
2012-12-25 07:07:44 PM  
Man if you read some of the details of this case it's hard not to feel sorry for the girl. Her parents were both abusive, her stepfather beat and murdered his first wife. She came up with this lie to avoid being beaten. Imagine how terrified she must have been that rubbing shiat all over herself was better than facing her parents.

Once Sharpton and his cronies came into the picture she became a pawn. Yea sure she could have told the truth, but that would have meant facing the wrath of not only her parents but Sharpton and everyone else involved. I'm sure they probably told her not to worry about anything, that it would all be fine and she was going to get a lot of money when it was finished.

Now she's had to live a life in hiding to try and escape this. If she pays the garnishment of 700 a month she will never pay off this debt because the interest alone is more than that. It would be nice if the guy could cut a deal with her to make a public apology and clear all or most of the judgement. Honestly I don't think she should owe a dime, she made up the rape allegation but it was Sharpton who pointed the finger at this guy, not her.
 
2012-12-25 07:08:12 PM  

jmr61: Orange-Pippin: People will disagree with me on this but she has a kid and is already poor. The girl is no good but the kid is definitely going to suffer and may even end up going hungry. I'm not sure how this is "justice"


Never heard of food stamps?

Kids survive. FARK that biatch.


merry chrimbus, here's your pasta bear

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2012-12-25 07:10:21 PM  
She dated one of our local boys here in Va.Beach and he threw her" under the bus "when she admitted that she lied .
 
2012-12-25 07:10:24 PM  

Orange-Pippin: People will disagree with me on this but she has a kid and is already poor. The girl is no good but the kid is definitely going to suffer and may even end up going hungry. I'm not sure how this is "justice"

She was ordered by the court to pay her victim. She refused that order and went into hiding. If her debt is forgiven, if she is essentially rewarded for defying the government, how is that "justice"?

If she had owned up to it when she still had supporters, chances are she wouldn't have had to pay a dime out of her own pocket. Instead, she and her family stuck with the attitude that they should be the ones getting paid instead of the victim, and she purposely violated the courts by going into hiding rather than pay her debt.

She had the opportunity to put this behind her and move on. Instead, she committed other crimes, and now has to pay the price for those crimes as well as the original accusation.
 
2012-12-25 07:11:42 PM  

Curious: Infernalist: Lawyer strongly recommended that I never contact the girl again and that my words, in the hands of a good lawyer, could be twisted to be made to sound as if I didn't hold her responsible for the accident and could be used to appeal the settlement in civil court.

which proves the adage that lawyers are worse than pond scum.


explain?
 
2012-12-25 07:12:40 PM  
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"I can't have my wages garnishied."
 
2012-12-25 07:13:26 PM  
Notice how Al is checking out her ass...

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2012-12-25 07:13:53 PM  

ElBarto79: It would be nice if the guy could cut a deal with her to make a public apology and clear all or most of the judgement


He offered exactly that, and the offer apparently still stands. She refused.
 
2012-12-25 07:28:59 PM  
She's one of the big reasons many actual rape victims were afraid to come forward until news sources were forbidden to air their names. For that alone Brawley is destined for hell. But it gets worse when you realize anonymous accusations have enabled more Tawana Brawleys, on bigger fish. Yet, people still call Ben Roethlisberger Rapey Ben, but at least he's still making his millions, and there are still people who think Kobe Bryant raped a woman in Colorado, but again, he's still making his millions. And it's a damned good thing they didn't blare the names of the Duke lacrosse players accused of rape across the airwaves; they at least got theirs back (and their accuser is about to go on trial for murder). This problem will probably persist until people stop overreacting to big crimes in general, especially the vengeance vultures who always come out, and are galvanized by when they're right (as in the Jerry Sandusky case), but don't say a word when they're wrong (like Nancy Grace deciding to take the night off the day the Duke lacrosse players were exonerated.)
 
2012-12-25 07:29:36 PM  

the ha ha guy: ElBarto79: It would be nice if the guy could cut a deal with her to make a public apology and clear all or most of the judgement

He offered exactly that, and the offer apparently still stands. She refused.


No he didn't and no she didn't.
 
2012-12-25 07:42:28 PM  
I spent some of my cub-reporter days covering the Brawley circus, so I am really getting a kick etc.

The other two sonsabiatches whose names you are looking for are Sharpton's one-time cohorts Alton Maddox Jr. and C. Vernon Mason. These two make Sharpton look like Mitt Romney.

These days Maddox, having calmed down somewhat from the days when he'd think nothing of Godwinning himself five times a day while accusing the state attorney general of fapping to pictures of Tawana (yes, really), still makes a steady living as a semi-professional celebrity race card player of the Cynthia McKinney ilk, while Mason after being disbarred for professional misconduct is weaseling his way back into the good graces of the NYC Democratic party. Far as I know, they have NOT paid the judgments against them in the case which come to about $270,000.

CSB: about fifteen years ago one of my colleagues was covering the endless proceedings in the slander case, and during a break in proceedings she asked the NY Times reporter next to her to save her seat while she went to the ladies' room. Over comes one of the Sharpton-Maddox-Mason entourage demanding the seat, and when the Times reporter explained it was duly reserved, in the goon started with the usual Professionally Outraged Black Person wharr before stomping off. Then my African-American colleague returned to her seat. /CSB (and it made the Times)
 
2012-12-25 07:48:00 PM  
Justice for Trayvon (TM)
 
2012-12-25 07:50:43 PM  
Will you guys please stop blaming the victim here?!
 
2012-12-25 07:50:56 PM  
While I understand the concern for her daughter, the unfortunate fact is that children suffer for their parents' previous misdeeds all the time. If it's unfair to her daughter to garnish Brawley's wages, does that mean that nobody who has dependent children should be fined or jailed? Their children will inevitably be affected by that -- emotionally if not financially. I hope her daughter has some other people can support her socially if not financially because to be honest, I get the feeling that she didn't exactly win the good parent lottery to begin with.

About Brawley herself, it's really hard to say; fifteen is old enough to know right from wrong and so forth, but it's still young enough that I can easily see how she could have been steamrolled by Sharpton & Co. They were much older, much more powerful and much stronger than she was, and they used her shamelessly. I don't mean she was entirely a passive victim, she did lie at first, but I'd be surprised if she intended for that lie to metastasize the way it did. She was weak; she lied to get out of trouble with her stepfather (who sounds like a real gem himself), then she lied to keep Sharpton et al happy, telling them what they wanted to hear, and in the end she wasn't strong enough to take back her lie and say in front of the entire world (at that point) "I made this story up, this person did not rape me." But whether she intended it or not, her weakness allowed this man's life to be destroyed, and she was old enough to know it. She should pay. Of course, if Sharpton was such a friend of hers, he'd help her out, but I think it's pretty clear how much time he has for people who aren't useful to him any more.
 
2012-12-25 07:52:15 PM  
I'm doing my best to try to emplthize with "former prosecutor Pagones", but I cant.

What Brawley did was WRONG. She lied, cheated and, working the system, caused incalculable damage to the reputation, career, and the very life of a man - even though he was innocent as charged. Never apologized. Never offered reestitution.

Terrible. Unforgivable.

OTOH, that's was farking PROSECUTORS like Pagones do innocent citizens all farking day every farking day, and WE pay them to do so.


/How's them apples, Pagones?
 
2012-12-25 07:52:34 PM  
Good.

She is a POS for what she did.

And Sharpton is nothing more that a race hustler.
 
2012-12-25 07:55:17 PM  

Amos Quito: I'm doing my best to try to emplthize with "former prosecutor Pagones", but I cant.

What Brawley did was WRONG. She lied, cheated and, working the system, caused incalculable damage to the reputation, career, and the very life of a man - even though he was innocent as charged. Never apologized. Never offered reestitution.

Terrible. Unforgivable.

OTOH, that's was farking PROSECUTORS like Pagones do innocent citizens all farking day every farking day, and WE pay them to do so.


/How's them apples, Pagones?


No, what happened is Pagones raped Brawley and got away with it because he is white and she is black. Don't be misogynist and start blaming the victim.
 
2012-12-25 08:00:54 PM  

JasonKY: I have to say I'm conflicted on this one.

On the one hand, I fully believe that if you accuse someone of rape, your name should be put out in public along with the name of the accused, and if it can be proven that you maliciously lied about it that your assets should be seized and given to the person you falsely accused, along with a substantial jail sentence.

On the other hand, TFA says that she has a grade-school aged daughter, who had nothing to do with her mother's crimes (and in point of fact hadn't even been thought of when the initial judgment was passed) who is already most likely not living under the greatest conditions to begin with who will now have to suffer for her mother's crimes.

Truly a no win situation.


Actually there is.. maybe this daughter of Tawana can pull some sort of hoax and destroy the men who manipulated her own mother when she was only a teen herself to perpetuated a lie which cost so many good men their livelihood, reputation and in the case of a cop his life.
 
2012-12-25 08:02:59 PM  

Brick-House: I'm willing to bet if she spoke with him ad gave an explanation and apologized, he would probably drop this. But the fact that she ran off and has been living under a false identty all these years tells me she has never accepted responsibility for any of this.


White chick lies about being raped, black dude is expected to forgive and forget and say it's in god's hands.

Black chick lies about being raped, white dude expects to get paid, biatch.
 
2012-12-25 08:03:21 PM  

Gulper Eel: I spent some of my cub-reporter days covering the Brawley circus, so I am really getting a kick etc.

The other two sonsabiatches whose names you are looking for are Sharpton's one-time cohorts Alton Maddox Jr. and C. Vernon Mason. These two make Sharpton look like Mitt Romney.



Mental... image... fail...

Fuse... blown... brain...
 
2012-12-25 08:05:48 PM  
I wonder how much hate there would be for this girl if Al Sharpton wasn't involved. I think there would be much, much less. Can you be hold financially liable for your actions as a minor? I don't see how.
 
2012-12-25 08:05:52 PM  

ReapTheChaos: Wow, 25 years is a long time to hold a grudge.  Some people need to learn how to let things go.


5/10

Got some bites.
 
2012-12-25 08:07:26 PM  

ReapTheChaos: Wow, 25 years is a long time to hold a grudge.  Some people need to learn how to let things go.


You wouldn't happen to have $429k I could borrow would you....I'm sure you wouldn't mind if I welched. If not, STFU.
 
2012-12-25 08:07:52 PM  

Orange-Pippin: People will disagree with me on this but she has a kid and is already poor. The girl is no good but the kid is definitely going to suffer and may even end up going hungry. I'm not sure how this is "justice"


By that standard, every parent in the world has a get out of jail free card. I'm definitely sure that that isn't justice.

My guess is that she quits that job within a few weeks and he gets to go through all of this rigamarole again.
 
2012-12-25 08:08:05 PM  

wjmorris3: Amos Quito: I'm doing my best to try to emplthize with "former prosecutor Pagones", but I cant.

What Brawley did was WRONG. She lied, cheated and, working the system, caused incalculable damage to the reputation, career, and the very life of a man - even though he was innocent as charged. Never apologized. Never offered reestitution.

Terrible. Unforgivable.

OTOH, that's was farking PROSECUTORS like Pagones do innocent citizens all farking day every farking day, and WE pay them to do so.


/How's them apples, Pagones?

No, what happened is Pagones raped Brawley and got away with it because he is white and she is black. Don't be misogynist and start blaming the victim.

 
2012-12-25 08:09:50 PM  

ManRay: [img341.imageshack.us image 500x298]
skinink: Can he also go after Spike Lee for reinforcing the lie that Twana told the truth?

Maybe a few points off this (otherwise great) movie?


Spike Lee: always a bastion of truth and good sense.

I like when he makes commercials for the man.
 
2012-12-25 08:09:52 PM  

prince of peas: ClavellBCMI: jake_lex: Torqueknot: Satanic_Hamster: Kinda curious to why she had the largest bill; the others seem to have had a much larger hand in the false accusations against him.

And Al paid up damn quick, to get it behind him.

FTFA: Sharpton paid his $66,000 judgment to Pagones, with help from OJ Simpson lawyer Johnnie Cochran and others.

More than likely, Reverend Slimy never paid a cent, he had his wealthy friends pay the penalty, just as he has others pay for everything else. Slimeball.


His "friends" did pay it for him and not quickly. It was several years later and they had to go after him for it.
 
2012-12-25 08:11:15 PM  

wjmorris3: Amos Quito: I'm doing my best to try to emplthize with "former prosecutor Pagones", but I cant.

What Brawley did was WRONG. She lied, cheated and, working the system, caused incalculable damage to the reputation, career, and the very life of a man - even though he was innocent as charged. Never apologized. Never offered reestitution.

Terrible. Unforgivable.

OTOH, that's was farking PROSECUTORS like Pagones do innocent citizens all farking day every farking day, and WE pay them to do so.


/How's them apples, Pagones?

No, what happened is Pagones raped Brawley and got away with it because he is white and she is black. Don't be misogynist and start blaming the victim.


I marked this as funny.
 
2012-12-25 08:11:40 PM  
Warlordtrooper



I'm torn on this issue on one hand the courts should not be able to be use by he higher classes to torment the lower classes


Ever hear of the equal protection clause.
 
2012-12-25 08:13:46 PM  

martid4: wjmorris3: Amos Quito: I'm doing my best to try to emplthize with "former prosecutor Pagones", but I cant.

What Brawley did was WRONG. She lied, cheated and, working the system, caused incalculable damage to the reputation, career, and the very life of a man - even though he was innocent as charged. Never apologized. Never offered reestitution.

Terrible. Unforgivable.

OTOH, that's was farking PROSECUTORS like Pagones do innocent citizens all farking day every farking day, and WE pay them to do so.


/How's them apples, Pagones?

No, what happened is Pagones raped Brawley and got away with it because he is white and she is black. Don't be misogynist and start blaming the victim.

I marked this as funny.


Nothing funny about a woman getting raped and her assailant getting off scot-free.
 
2012-12-25 08:14:16 PM  

wjmorris3: I have a problem with these claims that she made it up. If she says it's rape, that's proof enough for me to believe it's rape.


Maybe learn about this case before saying stupid shiat. Her story was completely discredited. She did all that stuff to herself.
 
2012-12-25 08:14:19 PM  

TheJoe03: Glad this kind of irrelevant racist bullshiat doesn't happen much anymore, for the most part America's different races are getting along better than ever before and better than they do in Europe.


I'd have to say that's at least partly because conservatives and religious fundamentalists have successfully transformed some of the racial tensions into anti-lgbt tensions. As evidence to back my claim, I'll point to the fact that the gay marriage legalization measure in California was defeated largely because highly religious black voters were mobilized to vote against it.

/because discrimination is fine when you're doing it to somebody else, right?
 
2012-12-25 08:14:25 PM  
The great Bob Grant called out her bs from the beginning. He also called her "Tawana Banana".
 
2012-12-25 08:16:12 PM  

advex101: I wonder how much hate there would be for this girl if Al Sharpton wasn't involved. I think there would be much, much less. Can you be hold financially liable for your actions as a minor? I don't see how.



I agree. In fact, I question whether Brawley should be liable in this instance AT ALL.


FTA: "The Rev. Al Sharpton seized on the suicide as "proof" Crist was one of Brawley's rapists. When Pagones offered an alibi for Crist, Sharpton - with Brawley lawyers Alton Maddox and C. Vernon Mason - called Pagones guilty, too."


Brawley created the initial lie, but it was Sharpton and Company who dragged Pagones into this.


FTA:  "As Brawley stood silent, Pagones, Crist and Scott Patterson, a state trooper who found Crist's body, were painted as racist brutes - until the following year, when a state grand jury found she had made the whole thing up."

I don't see where Brawley implicated Pagones in any way - at least not from TFA. Why should she be responsible for the slanders mouthed by Sharpton and Company?

Maybe someone knows of evidence that would substantiate this judgement?
 
2012-12-25 08:16:16 PM  

SlothB77: wjmorris3: I have a problem with these claims that she made it up. If she says it's rape, that's proof enough for me to believe it's rape.

Maybe learn about this case before saying stupid shiat. Her story was completely discredited. She did all that stuff to herself.


Still, rape charges are no joke. And yet they let the assailant off only because of race. Honest;y, he should be in jail where he belongs. Standing up for rapists is misogynist and wrong.
 
2012-12-25 08:18:47 PM  

maggoo: ReapTheChaos: Wow, 25 years is a long time to hold a grudge. Some people need to learn how to let things go.

It's kind of hard to let go petty little things, such as completely farking up a man's life.


It also needs to be pointed out that it sounds very much as if this guy would drop the whole thing if she would just cop to the truth.
 
2012-12-25 08:19:03 PM  

Amos Quito: I agree. In fact, I question whether Brawley should be liable in this instance AT ALL.


A good point. She was a manipulated dupe, who has a name that everybody recognizes for something she did at age 15.
 
2012-12-25 08:20:05 PM  

leevis: prince of peas: ClavellBCMI: jake_lex: Torqueknot: Satanic_Hamster: Kinda curious to why she had the largest bill; the others seem to have had a much larger hand in the false accusations against him.

And Al paid up damn quick, to get it behind him.

FTFA: Sharpton paid his $66,000 judgment to Pagones, with help from OJ Simpson lawyer Johnnie Cochran and others.

More than likely, Reverend Slimy never paid a cent, he had his wealthy friends pay the penalty, just as he has others pay for everything else. Slimeball.

His "friends" did pay it for him and not quickly. It was several years later and they had to go after him for it.



Well, too bad Tawana doesn't have any rich friends that will pay for things like that or vacations or anything.
 
2012-12-25 08:28:04 PM  

Tsar_Bomba1: From the end of the article it sounds like he might wave the money if she comes clean.


That makes me wonder, if she did and he did, would she have to pay gift or income taxes on all that money?
 
2012-12-25 08:28:49 PM  

wjmorris3: martid4: wjmorris3: Amos Quito: I'm doing my best to try to emplthize with "former prosecutor Pagones", but I cant.

What Brawley did was WRONG. She lied, cheated and, working the system, caused incalculable damage to the reputation, career, and the very life of a man - even though he was innocent as charged. Never apologized. Never offered reestitution.

Terrible. Unforgivable.

OTOH, that's was farking PROSECUTORS like Pagones do innocent citizens all farking day every farking day, and WE pay them to do so.


/How's them apples, Pagones?

No, what happened is Pagones raped Brawley and got away with it because he is white and she is black. Don't be misogynist and start blaming the victim.

I marked this as funny.

Nothing funny about a woman getting raped and her assailant getting off scot-free.


A grand jury determined that she made it up!  I marked YOU as funny!
 
2012-12-25 08:33:14 PM  

JasonKY: I have to say I'm conflicted on this one.

On the one hand, I fully believe that if you accuse someone of rape, your name should be put out in public along with the name of the accused, and if it can be proven that you maliciously lied about it that your assets should be seized and given to the person you falsely accused, along with a substantial jail sentence.

On the other hand, TFA says that she has a grade-school aged daughter, who had nothing to do with her mother's crimes (and in point of fact hadn't even been thought of when the initial judgment was passed) who is already most likely not living under the greatest conditions to begin with who will now have to suffer for her mother's crimes.

Truly a no win situation.


And if she were childless?

Honestly, I am impressed that she's made something of her life and doesn't have a raft of children.
 
2012-12-25 08:34:14 PM  
She should sue Sharpton
 
2012-12-25 08:34:37 PM  

martid4: wjmorris3: martid4: wjmorris3: Amos Quito: I'm doing my best to try to emplthize with "former prosecutor Pagones", but I cant.

What Brawley did was WRONG. She lied, cheated and, working the system, caused incalculable damage to the reputation, career, and the very life of a man - even though he was innocent as charged. Never apologized. Never offered reestitution.

Terrible. Unforgivable.

OTOH, that's was farking PROSECUTORS like Pagones do innocent citizens all farking day every farking day, and WE pay them to do so.


/How's them apples, Pagones?

No, what happened is Pagones raped Brawley and got away with it because he is white and she is black. Don't be misogynist and start blaming the victim.

I marked this as funny.

Nothing funny about a woman getting raped and her assailant getting off scot-free.

A grand jury determined that she made it up!  I marked YOU as funny!


The grand jury was obviously misogynist.
 
2012-12-25 08:43:05 PM  

wjmorris3: martid4: wjmorris3: martid4: wjmorris3: Amos Quito: I'm doing my best to try to emplthize with "former prosecutor Pagones", but I cant.

What Brawley did was WRONG. She lied, cheated and, working the system, caused incalculable damage to the reputation, career, and the very life of a man - even though he was innocent as charged. Never apologized. Never offered reestitution.

Terrible. Unforgivable.

OTOH, that's was farking PROSECUTORS like Pagones do innocent citizens all farking day every farking day, and WE pay them to do so.


/How's them apples, Pagones?

No, what happened is Pagones raped Brawley and got away with it because he is white and she is black. Don't be misogynist and start blaming the victim.

I marked this as funny.

Nothing funny about a woman getting raped and her assailant getting off scot-free.

A grand jury determined that she made it up!  I marked YOU as funny!

The grand jury was obviously misogynist.

"Misogyny is the hatred or dislike of women or girls"


How does that work as I'm pretty sure there were other woman on the grand jury.
 
2012-12-25 08:47:56 PM  

KimNorth: wjmorris3: martid4: wjmorris3: martid4: wjmorris3: Amos Quito: I'm doing my best to try to emplthize with "former prosecutor Pagones", but I cant.

What Brawley did was WRONG. She lied, cheated and, working the system, caused incalculable damage to the reputation, career, and the very life of a man - even though he was innocent as charged. Never apologized. Never offered reestitution.

Terrible. Unforgivable.

OTOH, that's was farking PROSECUTORS like Pagones do innocent citizens all farking day every farking day, and WE pay them to do so.


/How's them apples, Pagones?

No, what happened is Pagones raped Brawley and got away with it because he is white and she is black. Don't be misogynist and start blaming the victim.

I marked this as funny.

Nothing funny about a woman getting raped and her assailant getting off scot-free.

A grand jury determined that she made it up!  I marked YOU as funny!

The grand jury was obviously misogynist.

"Misogyny is the hatred or dislike of women or girls"

How does that work as I'm pretty sure there were other woman on the grand jury.


They ruled in favor of the man as opposed to the woman, which is classic misogyny. After all, true human beings have two X chromosomes so...
 
2012-12-25 08:50:00 PM  

wjmorris3: KimNorth: wjmorris3: martid4: wjmorris3: martid4: wjmorris3: Amos Quito: I'm doing my best to try to emplthize with "former prosecutor Pagones", but I cant.

What Brawley did was WRONG. She lied, cheated and, working the system, caused incalculable damage to the reputation, career, and the very life of a man - even though he was innocent as charged. Never apologized. Never offered reestitution.

Terrible. Unforgivable.

OTOH, that's was farking PROSECUTORS like Pagones do innocent citizens all farking day every farking day, and WE pay them to do so.


/How's them apples, Pagones?

No, what happened is Pagones raped Brawley and got away with it because he is white and she is black. Don't be misogynist and start blaming the victim.

I marked this as funny.

Nothing funny about a woman getting raped and her assailant getting off scot-free.

A grand jury determined that she made it up!  I marked YOU as funny!

The grand jury was obviously misogynist.

"Misogyny is the hatred or dislike of women or girls"

How does that work as I'm pretty sure there were other woman on the grand jury.

They ruled in favor of the man as opposed to the woman, which is classic misogyny. After all, true human beings have two X chromosomes so...


WTF AM I Reading!!
 
2012-12-25 08:51:16 PM  

Honest Bender: Good luck with that. $175 a week will pay off that $429,000 in roughly 47 years.


That's okay....that means she will have 47 years ( or until she dies) to think about what a lying pos she is.....
 
2012-12-25 08:52:03 PM  

KimNorth: wjmorris3: KimNorth: wjmorris3: martid4: wjmorris3: martid4: wjmorris3: Amos Quito: I'm doing my best to try to emplthize with "former prosecutor Pagones", but I cant.

What Brawley did was WRONG. She lied, cheated and, working the system, caused incalculable damage to the reputation, career, and the very life of a man - even though he was innocent as charged. Never apologized. Never offered reestitution.

Terrible. Unforgivable.

OTOH, that's was farking PROSECUTORS like Pagones do innocent citizens all farking day every farking day, and WE pay them to do so.


/How's them apples, Pagones?

No, what happened is Pagones raped Brawley and got away with it because he is white and she is black. Don't be misogynist and start blaming the victim.

I marked this as funny.

Nothing funny about a woman getting raped and her assailant getting off scot-free.

A grand jury determined that she made it up!  I marked YOU as funny!

The grand jury was obviously misogynist.

"Misogyny is the hatred or dislike of women or girls"

How does that work as I'm pretty sure there were other woman on the grand jury.

They ruled in favor of the man as opposed to the woman, which is classic misogyny. After all, true human beings have two X chromosomes so...

WTF AM I Reading!!


Perfectly scientific fact. All true human beings have two X chromosomes. By contrast, all potential rapists have an X chromosome and a Y chromosome. It's a common mistake to confuse potential rapists for humans. It's why I admit that I am a potential rapist and not a human. It is my duty not to act on my urges.
 
2012-12-25 08:52:05 PM  
But we can't say what we really think becuz that would upset the neegroes.
 
2012-12-25 08:58:06 PM  
img.timeinc.net

Prosecutors are paid to lie! Just a bunch of smooth talkers with the law on their side. If I were on a jury, there's no way I'd convict anybody because we can't hope to get the whole story from the PRESUMED INNOCENT defendant because of our corrupt system!
 
2012-12-25 08:58:21 PM  

wjmorris3: KimNorth: wjmorris3: KimNorth: wjmorris3: martid4: wjmorris3: martid4: wjmorris3: Amos Quito: I'm doing my best to try to emplthize with "former prosecutor Pagones", but I cant.

What Brawley did was WRONG. She lied, cheated and, working the system, caused incalculable damage to the reputation, career, and the very life of a man - even though he was innocent as charged. Never apologized. Never offered reestitution.

Terrible. Unforgivable.

OTOH, that's was farking PROSECUTORS like Pagones do innocent citizens all farking day every farking day, and WE pay them to do so.


/How's them apples, Pagones?

No, what happened is Pagones raped Brawley and got away with it because he is white and she is black. Don't be misogynist and start blaming the victim.

I marked this as funny.

Nothing funny about a woman getting raped and her assailant getting off scot-free.

A grand jury determined that she made it up!  I marked YOU as funny!

The grand jury was obviously misogynist.

"Misogyny is the hatred or dislike of women or girls"

How does that work as I'm pretty sure there were other woman on the grand jury.

They ruled in favor of the man as opposed to the woman, which is classic misogyny. After all, true human beings have two X chromosomes so...

WTF AM I Reading!!

Perfectly scientific fact. All true human beings have two X chromosomes. By contrast, all potential rapists have an X chromosome and a Y chromosome. It's a common mistake to confuse potential rapists for humans. It's why I admit that I am a potential rapist and not a human. It is my duty not to act on my urges.


Then what you are saying would be the opposite of Misogyny, so still WTF am I reading here? Male not human Female human?? Never mind. Been fun.......
 
2012-12-25 08:58:52 PM  

KimNorth: wjmorris3: KimNorth: wjmorris3: martid4: wjmorris3: martid4: wjmorris3: Amos Quito: I'm doing my best to try to emplthize with "former prosecutor Pagones", but I cant.

What Brawley did was WRONG. She lied, cheated and, working the system, caused incalculable damage to the reputation, career, and the very life of a man - even though he was innocent as charged. Never apologized. Never offered reestitution.

Terrible. Unforgivable.

OTOH, that's was farking PROSECUTORS like Pagones do innocent citizens all farking day every farking day, and WE pay them to do so.


/How's them apples, Pagones?

No, what happened is Pagones raped Brawley and got away with it because he is white and she is black. Don't be misogynist and start blaming the victim.

I marked this as funny.

Nothing funny about a woman getting raped and her assailant getting off scot-free.

A grand jury determined that she made it up! I marked YOU as funny!

The grand jury was obviously misogynist.

"Misogyny is the hatred or dislike of women or girls"

How does that work as I'm pretty sure there were other woman on the grand jury.

They ruled in favor of the man as opposed to the woman, which is classic misogyny. After all, true human beings have two X chromosomes so...

WTF AM I Reading!!



You are reading the work of a surprisingly successful troll. I can't believe he actually is getting nibbles on this line of shiat. It's like the Fark version of a schlumpy-guy/hot-wife sitcom.
 
2012-12-25 09:03:12 PM  

Gulper Eel: KimNorth: wjmorris3: KimNorth: wjmorris3: martid4: wjmorris3: martid4: wjmorris3: Amos Quito: I'm doing my best to try to emplthize with "former prosecutor Pagones", but I cant.

What Brawley did was WRONG. She lied, cheated and, working the system, caused incalculable damage to the reputation, career, and the very life of a man - even though he was innocent as charged. Never apologized. Never offered reestitution.

Terrible. Unforgivable.

OTOH, that's was farking PROSECUTORS like Pagones do innocent citizens all farking day every farking day, and WE pay them to do so.


/How's them apples, Pagones?

No, what happened is Pagones raped Brawley and got away with it because he is white and she is black. Don't be misogynist and start blaming the victim.

I marked this as funny.

Nothing funny about a woman getting raped and her assailant getting off scot-free.

A grand jury determined that she made it up! I marked YOU as funny!

The grand jury was obviously misogynist.

"Misogyny is the hatred or dislike of women or girls"

How does that work as I'm pretty sure there were other woman on the grand jury.

They ruled in favor of the man as opposed to the woman, which is classic misogyny. After all, true human beings have two X chromosomes so...

WTF AM I Reading!!


You are reading the work of a surprisingly successful troll. I can't believe he actually is getting nibbles on this line of shiat. It's like the Fark version of a schlumpy-guy/hot-wife sitcom.


I was not sure some people really believed this girl.
 
2012-12-25 09:13:00 PM  

Amos Quito: I don't see where Brawley implicated Pagones in any way - at least not from TFA. Why should she be responsible for the slanders mouthed by Sharpton and Company?


It's a legit point.  But the whole case is such a clusterfark it's not even worth trying to figure out who did what anymore.
 
2012-12-25 09:13:27 PM  

Eponymous: ReapTheChaos: Wow, 25 years is a long time to hold a grudge.  Some people need to learn how to let things go.

You wouldn't happen to have $429k I could borrow would you....I'm sure you wouldn't mind if I welched. If not, STFU.


This assumes that 429k is the actual damages.

I have a hard time to believe that is anything other than RIAA math.
 
2012-12-25 09:20:50 PM  

Carousel Beast: Funny how Theateus isn't around for this thread...



On December 25th, in the United States? You think that's strange?
It's almost as if he could be busy with something else... what could it be, what could it be....
 
2012-12-25 09:20:57 PM  

ElBarto79: Once Sharpton and his cronies came into the picture she became a pawn. Yea sure she could have told the truth, but that would have meant facing the wrath of not only her parents but Sharpton and everyone else involved.


Think it through one step further.. if she confessed the lie she could also confess her reason for lying. I can imagine the defense team coming in like the wrath of God to get her into protective custody and build a case against Sharpton et al for intimidation, witness manipulation, contributing to the delinquency of a minor, etc.
 
2012-12-25 09:27:52 PM  
Merry Christmas Al and Tawana

i586.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-25 09:27:59 PM  

yingtong: ElBarto79: Once Sharpton and his cronies came into the picture she became a pawn. Yea sure she could have told the truth, but that would have meant facing the wrath of not only her parents but Sharpton and everyone else involved.

Think it through one step further.. if she confessed the lie she could also confess her reason for lying. I can imagine the defense team coming in like the wrath of God to get her into protective custody and build a case against Sharpton et al for intimidation, witness manipulation, contributing to the delinquency of a minor, etc.


Wow, you think life is like television, dont you?
 
2012-12-25 09:34:31 PM  

qlenfg: I remember the case quite well, and was not surprised when it came out she had lied. However, I don't recall the media reporting the defamation judgments at all -- unlike their rabid coverage of the original story. In any case, any monies he gets will unlikely make up for losing his job as prosecutor and the crap he had to deal with because she lied so her mama wouldn't whip her arse for whoring around.


Me too. Learned a new word. Maniximated.
 
2012-12-25 09:38:20 PM  

WelldeadLink: JasonKY: On the other hand, TFA says that she has a grade-school aged daughter, who had nothing to do with her mother's crimes (and in point of fact hadn't even been thought of when the initial judgment was passed) who is already most likely not living under the greatest conditions to begin with who will now have to suffer for her mother's crimes.

People who can't afford to have children should...


Let me fix that for you

People who owe debts starting back 25 years should pay those up before 15 years later deciding to have a child.
 
2012-12-25 09:39:10 PM  

Arcturus72: Because it was only $185k, but thanks to interest and *hand waving* jedi mind tricks, that amount has gone up considerably... And it was back a few years, but thats what I got out of it from RTFA...


Um...over the course of 15 years, that's less that 8% APR.

Visa has over double that percentage rate. Jedi mind tricks indeed.
 
2012-12-25 09:42:26 PM  

jayphat: WelldeadLink: JasonKY: On the other hand, TFA says that she has a grade-school aged daughter, who had nothing to do with her mother's crimes (and in point of fact hadn't even been thought of when the initial judgment was passed) who is already most likely not living under the greatest conditions to begin with who will now have to suffer for her mother's crimes.

People who can't afford to have children should...

Let me fix that for you

People who owe debts starting back 25 years should pay those up before 15 years later deciding to have a child.


If you think its right for a professional attorney to sue a goddamned 15 yr old for libel, you are a pathetic human being.
 
2012-12-25 09:44:37 PM  

DerAppie: noitsnot: But, I'm sorry, that's nuts. Teens standing up to adults and lecturing them about how they should do the right thing, because - you know - they have strayed from the path and need the voice of innocence to set them straight... That's just on TV shows. That's not real.

She didn't need to stand up to anyone or make moralising speeches. All she needed to do was at some point in the many, many times lawyers, police officers and the judge spoke to her say the words "He did not rape me." Then all the adults would be sidelined and the guy would be more or less free to go (after more investigation).


If you're an abuse victim, that might be an unreasonable expectation, especially if you're a child-abuse victim. The abuser basically brainwashes the child into going into survival mode. So part of her brain was probably saying 'this is very important to them, do not fark with it unless you want to get beaten'.

/There's times when you should go after people for lying, but from TFA and this thread, I'm not seeing any good reasons. Especially since it'll fark up a little kid who did absolutely nothing.
 
2012-12-25 09:49:17 PM  
Wow, a prosecutor wants recompense for the enduring pain of being falsely accused of a crime. If only he could convert irony to dollars, he'd be paid in full.
 
2012-12-25 09:51:48 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Kinda curious to why she had the largest bill; the others seem to have had a much larger hand in the false accusations against him.


Yeah. She may have made up a generic story to cover some embarrassing situation, but it sounds like it was Sharpton et al who defamed specific individuals.

Plus, she was fifteen at the time.
 
2012-12-25 09:53:46 PM  

yingtong: ElBarto79: Once Sharpton and his cronies came into the picture she became a pawn. Yea sure she could have told the truth, but that would have meant facing the wrath of not only her parents but Sharpton and everyone else involved.

Think it through one step further.. if she confessed the lie she could also confess her reason for lying. I can imagine the defense team coming in like the wrath of God to get her into protective custody and build a case against Sharpton et al for intimidation, witness manipulation, contributing to the delinquency of a minor, etc.


That's a stretch, in any case even if you assume she could have successfully pulled that off how was she supposed to know that? She was a 15 year old kid not a lawyer. Not only that but she would have still had to face her stepfather, a convicted murderer. Seriously she was in a horrible situation; her whole childhood, that case, it's amazing she has managed to build a somewhat normal life for herself out of that chaos.
 
2012-12-25 09:56:24 PM  

FriarReb98: Amos Quito: I don't see where Brawley implicated Pagones in any way - at least not from TFA. Why should she be responsible for the slanders mouthed by Sharpton and Company?

It's a legit point.  But the whole case is such a clusterfark it's not even worth trying to figure out who did what anymore.



I'd wager that Tawana has a differing opinion.

But as I said earlier, fark her. Her lies created a maelstrom, but that doesn't make her liable for Sharptons assclownery.

OTOH, I have NO pity for ANY prosecutor. Sadistic bastards all. When was the last time you saw any public prosecutor apologize - let alone pay restitution to anyone they falsely accused?

/Fark Pagones


:-)
 
2012-12-25 09:59:26 PM  
wjmorris3

Seems you are pretty new, or inexperienced at this. May I suggest finding an easier site to learn how to troll on? You are just going to get your ass bounced out of this place pretty quickly.
 
2012-12-25 10:00:54 PM  

theflatline: JasonKY: I have to say I'm conflicted on this one.

On the one hand, I fully believe that if you accuse someone of rape, your name should be put out in public along with the name of the accused, and if it can be proven that you maliciously lied about it that your assets should be seized and given to the person you falsely accused, along with a substantial jail sentence.

On the other hand, TFA says that she has a grade-school aged daughter, who had nothing to do with her mother's crimes (and in point of fact hadn't even been thought of when the initial judgment was passed) who is already most likely not living under the greatest conditions to begin with who will now have to suffer for her mother's crimes.

Truly a no win situation.

Or as you grow into an adult you would apologize for the sins of your youth, because you would realize that you were wrong, and maybe this man whose life you ruined would forgive you.  But no, you change your name and get outta town...

No accountability is a huge problem in our nation, from the top to the bottom.



THIS

It's a shame the kid will be affected but her mother shouldn't have gone into hiding, essentially. Great example you're setting for your kid, lady. It wouldn't surprise me if she was just a pawn being used at the time by Al farking Sharpton but she still made all of that shiat up. False accusations like that are just as much of a crime. She needs to pay the man and be held accountable. And, maybe, if she has any brains, out the good "Rev" for using her if he in fact did that.
 
2012-12-25 10:01:45 PM  

Warlordtrooper: This assumes that 429k is the actual damages.

I have a hard time to believe that is anything other than RIAA math.



One of my friends was falsely accused of stealing a car a few years ago (someone else admitted to it before he went to trial). Between the lawyer fees, being fired from his job, overdraft fees from having no income, years of being refused for any job that pays more than minimum wage, and jumping through all the hoops to expunge his record, I'm confident that his actual damages are at least $100k. That's for a relatively minor crime, which wasn't even covered in the town paper.

This guy was accused of gang-rape and kidnapping, and he was vilified in the national media. So yeah, I'm sure his actual damages might be slightly higher than someone who had no media coverage and never even went to trial.
 
2012-12-25 10:04:19 PM  
Is it possible we got the dates wrong, and she was in fact raped and murdered in 1990?
 
2012-12-25 10:05:47 PM  

Loren: Cue black outrage in 3, 2, 1...


Yes. This is racist and outrageous.Once again the White Man comes down on victimized, helpless Brown People

/doin' it right?
 
2012-12-25 10:07:46 PM  

ElBarto79: yingtong: ElBarto79: Once Sharpton and his cronies came into the picture she became a pawn. Yea sure she could have told the truth, but that would have meant facing the wrath of not only her parents but Sharpton and everyone else involved.

Think it through one step further.. if she confessed the lie she could also confess her reason for lying. I can imagine the defense team coming in like the wrath of God to get her into protective custody and build a case against Sharpton et al for intimidation, witness manipulation, contributing to the delinquency of a minor, etc.

That's a stretch, in any case even if you assume she could have successfully pulled that off how was she supposed to know that? She was a 15 year old kid not a lawyer. Not only that but she would have still had to face her stepfather, a convicted murderer. Seriously she was in a horrible situation; her whole childhood, that case, it's amazing she has managed to build a somewhat normal life for herself out of that chaos.


It's nice to see someone else who can have a smidge of sympathy for a near-child in a big mess that they started but didn't intend, especially when others jumped on the bandwagon and clearly intended to cause as much ruckus as possible.
 
2012-12-25 10:09:59 PM  

wjmorris3: SlothB77: wjmorris3: I have a problem with these claims that she made it up. If she says it's rape, that's proof enough for me to believe it's rape.

Maybe learn about this case before saying stupid shiat. Her story was completely discredited. She did all that stuff to herself.

Still, rape charges are no joke. And yet they let the assailant off only because of race. Honest;y, he should be in jail where he belongs. Standing up for rapists is misogynist and wrong.


9/10. Something keeps me from giving it a 10.0
 
2012-12-25 10:11:53 PM  
If a 15 year old can be held liable that means we as a society consider her old enough to be responsible. So she should also have been allowed to drink, smoke, vote, enlist.. ect at the age of 15.
 
2012-12-25 10:13:32 PM  

ReapTheChaos: Wow, 25 years is a long time to hold a grudge.  Some people need to learn how to let things go.


10/10
 
2012-12-25 10:15:14 PM  
Welcome to the world of having debt, tardmitter
 
2012-12-25 10:16:23 PM  

KrispyKritter: Satanic_Hamster: Kinda curious to why she had the largest bill; the others seem to have had a much larger hand in the false accusations against him.

she started the whole affair. others came to her cause and championed for her. she's the #1. the idiot. the liar. Al Sharpton has been an idiot and a liar most all his life, he can't help it.


Yeah, but she was a 15 year old dumbass kid. Can you really put a 15 year old at three times the liability of several fully functioning adults?
 
2012-12-25 10:17:59 PM  

SearchN: wjmorris3

Seems you are pretty new, or inexperienced at this. May I suggest finding an easier site to learn how to troll on? You are just going to get your ass bounced out of this place pretty quickly.


"Trolling" would imply that I don't believe what I'm writing.
 
2012-12-25 10:21:56 PM  

ReapTheChaos: Wow, 25 years is a long time to hold a grudge.  Some people need to learn how to let things go.


"...to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee."

Some things, you don't let go.
 
2012-12-25 10:22:12 PM  

wjmorris3: SearchN: wjmorris3

Seems you are pretty new, or inexperienced at this. May I suggest finding an easier site to learn how to troll on? You are just going to get your ass bounced out of this place pretty quickly.

"Trolling" would imply that I don't believe what I'm writing.


And therefore, you are a troll, since if you were actually as dumb as you claim you'd have never figured that out.
 
2012-12-25 10:22:43 PM  
"Uh oh."

wwwcache.wral.com
 
2012-12-25 10:23:15 PM  

Curious: Infernalist: Lawyer strongly recommended that I never contact the girl again and that my words, in the hands of a good lawyer, could be twisted to be made to sound as if I didn't hold her responsible for the accident and could be used to appeal the settlement in civil court.

which proves the adage that lawyers are worse than pond scum.


Until you need one.
 
2012-12-25 10:29:26 PM  

ParaHandy: She should sue Sharpton


I would have thought it'd be too late. She couldn't have sued him at the time without admitting that she lied, which would have been dangerous for her.

She was farked over pretty badly on this one. I understand why Pagones sued everybody on this, but it feels vindictive to collect. However, he's a prosecutor, so looking for human feelings is pointless.

/Doesn't like cops, but admits that most of them have a few redeeming features.
//Not sure how someone could be a prosecutor without being a psychopath.
 
2012-12-25 10:30:50 PM  

ReapTheChaos: Wow, 25 years is a long time to hold a grudge. Some people need to learn how to let things go.


You mean like slavery?
 
2012-12-25 10:31:03 PM  

Teiritzamna: Curious: Infernalist: Lawyer strongly recommended that I never contact the girl again and that my words, in the hands of a good lawyer, could be twisted to be made to sound as if I didn't hold her responsible for the accident and could be used to appeal the settlement in civil court.

which proves the adage that lawyers are worse than pond scum.

explain?


how much do we do or not do because of fear of lawsuits? and how much of that makes us better as a people? yes those are (semi) rhetorical questions but this is from the original CSB "I held no ill will or animosity toward her for her mistake." now if the plaintiff feels it was a mistake that doesn't ipso facto release her of responsibility. commit involuntary manslaughter and you don't simply walk away. actions have consequences but those don't have to be extreme. his lawyer may well have been right in the stay away advice. IMO it sucks to have to be like that. and if both lawyers had been better people this wouldn't have come up. winning at any cost may be a good trial tactic but makes for shiatty human beings.
 
2012-12-25 10:34:02 PM  

ParaHandy: She should sue Sharpton



Now that's a thought...
 
2012-12-25 10:35:05 PM  

wjmorris3: KimNorth: wjmorris3: martid4: wjmorris3: martid4: wjmorris3: Amos Quito: I'm doing my best to try to emplthize with "former prosecutor Pagones", but I cant.

What Brawley did was WRONG. She lied, cheated and, working the system, caused incalculable damage to the reputation, career, and the very life of a man - even though he was innocent as charged. Never apologized. Never offered reestitution.

Terrible. Unforgivable.

OTOH, that's was farking PROSECUTORS like Pagones do innocent citizens all farking day every farking day, and WE pay them to do so.


/How's them apples, Pagones?

No, what happened is Pagones raped Brawley and got away with it because he is white and she is black. Don't be misogynist and start blaming the victim.

I marked this as funny.

Nothing funny about a woman getting raped and her assailant getting off scot-free.

A grand jury determined that she made it up!  I marked YOU as funny!

The grand jury was obviously misogynist.

"Misogyny is the hatred or dislike of women or girls"

How does that work as I'm pretty sure there were other woman on the grand jury.

They ruled in favor of the man as opposed to the woman, which is classic misogyny. After all, true human beings have two X chromosomes so...


You started off well, but then you took it to self-parody waaaayyyyy too fast.
 
2012-12-25 10:35:05 PM  
Nothing like a Al Sharpton camel toe to make your Christmas complete.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-25 10:35:33 PM  

Curious: Teiritzamna: Curious: Infernalist: Lawyer strongly recommended that I never contact the girl again and that my words, in the hands of a good lawyer, could be twisted to be made to sound as if I didn't hold her responsible for the accident and could be used to appeal the settlement in civil court.

which proves the adage that lawyers are worse than pond scum.

explain?

how much do we do or not do because of fear of lawsuits? and how much of that makes us better as a people? yes those are (semi) rhetorical questions but this is from the original CSB "I held no ill will or animosity toward her for her mistake." now if the plaintiff feels it was a mistake that doesn't ipso facto release her of responsibility. commit involuntary manslaughter and you don't simply walk away. actions have consequences but those don't have to be extreme. his lawyer may well have been right in the stay away advice. IMO it sucks to have to be like that. and if both lawyers had been better people this wouldn't have come up. winning at any cost may be a good trial tactic but makes for shiatty human beings.


You lost me at "makes us a better people". How much shiat do YOU have to do in a day because you fear someone could sue you over something so trivial, most common people would tell you to get the fark over it, yet you don't risk it with today's common man? Cause I can think of a dozen or so things. All because we fear someones feelings getting hurt.
 
2012-12-25 10:37:33 PM  

Honest Bender: Good luck with that. $175 a week will pay off that $429,000 in roughly 47 years.


But interest will keep accruing.
 
2012-12-25 10:39:03 PM  

Generation_D: Curious: traxan: Whether he paid the penalty or not, it's a real disgrace that Sharpton continues to enjoy ANY media credibility. He has a show on MSNBC and was on Fox way too many times for my liking. He should be in hiding along with Tawana.

i'll take MSNBC over Fox any day but when they put Al on they lost a lot of credence.

This.  I am continually amazed the latter-day liberals like Maddow want to share a screen with this exploitive liar.


Birds of a feather.....
 
2012-12-25 10:50:03 PM  
She could make a lot of money by apologizing, suing sharpton, and writing a book on how he manipulated her.
 
2012-12-25 10:50:34 PM  

hdhale: ReapTheChaos: Wow, 25 years is a long time to hold a grudge.  Some people need to learn how to let things go.

"...to the last I grapple with thee; from hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee."

Some things, you don't let go.



Ah yes, to wile away one's hours consumed with a burning, vindictive hatred for perceived wrongs long past, and for which amends can never be satisfactorily made.

I can't think of a better way to spend my days.

Can you?
 
2012-12-25 10:52:17 PM  

muck4doo: She could make a lot of money by apologizing, suing sharpton, and writing a book on how he manipulated her.



Indeed.

Hope she reads this.
 
2012-12-25 10:53:19 PM  

DancingElkCondor: Rev Al better not cough up too much money over Tawana Brawley....because he is going to have his a## in a major sling after George Zimmerman is done with his Jheri Curl. With Sharpton lying about the crime (Trayvon Martin assaulted Zimmerman...that is FACT)...and appearing with the Black Ku Klux Klan (New Black Panthers) handing out "Wanted Dead or Alive" posters...Sharpton is gonna need some help.


Amazing how no one talks about that case any more.
 
2012-12-25 10:56:48 PM  

KimNorth: wjmorris3: KimNorth: wjmorris3: martid4: wjmorris3: martid4: wjmorris3: Amos Quito: I'm doing my best to try to emplthize with "former prosecutor Pagones", but I cant.

What Brawley did was WRONG. She lied, cheated and, working the system, caused incalculable damage to the reputation, career, and the very life of a man - even though he was innocent as charged. Never apologized. Never offered reestitution.

Terrible. Unforgivable.

OTOH, that's was farking PROSECUTORS like Pagones do innocent citizens all farking day every farking day, and WE pay them to do so.


/How's them apples, Pagones?

No, what happened is Pagones raped Brawley and got away with it because he is white and she is black. Don't be misogynist and start blaming the victim.

I marked this as funny.

Nothing funny about a woman getting raped and her assailant getting off scot-free.

A grand jury determined that she made it up!  I marked YOU as funny!

The grand jury was obviously misogynist.

"Misogyny is the hatred or dislike of women or girls"

How does that work as I'm pretty sure there were other woman on the grand jury.

They ruled in favor of the man as opposed to the woman, which is classic misogyny. After all, true human beings have two X chromosomes so...

WTF AM I Reading!!


My brain got cancer from this!
 
2012-12-25 10:59:41 PM  

Amos Quito: Ah yes, to wile away one's hours consumed with a burning, vindictive hatred for perceived wrongs long past, and for which amends can never be satisfactorily made.


FTFA: Pagones hadn't been actively seeking Brawley out [...] "I'm not looking for an apology, and I'm really not looking for money," Pagones said. "If at any point she wants to tell the truth about what happened, I'm always willing to talk."

Yes, he sure seems consumed with rage there, what with his 14 years of inaction and his indifference about being repaid...

It seems to me that he's not looking for a payday, he just wants her to come clean.

/Unlike her parents, whothink they "should be millionaires".
 
2012-12-25 11:05:48 PM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Curious: Infernalist: Lawyer strongly recommended that I never contact the girl again and that my words, in the hands of a good lawyer, could be twisted to be made to sound as if I didn't hold her responsible for the accident and could be used to appeal the settlement in civil court.

which proves the adage that lawyers are worse than pond scum.

Until you need one.


pond scum has it's uses. it's being mentioned as biomass for fuel -- so?

i had to use a lawyer against my mortgage company (who to root for there) and don't begrudge him what it cost since it saved me ten times that. but why did i have to use one? for one thing bean counters with their stalling tactics. the other, lawyers who advised the bean counters.  you think the mortgage mess would be half as bad as it is if sleazy lawyers hadn't been enabling the mortgage companies?

i used the threat of ambulance chasing lawyers (morris bart) against a car insurance company to get what i believed i was entitled to. and the net result is they gave me more than they would have originally. yes i took it and chalked the difference up to the trouble they caused me.

yes lawyers can be useful on occasion. but IMO all too often they get in the way of real work getting done. and reasonable people getting things done.
 
2012-12-25 11:06:29 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: ParaHandy: She should sue Sharpton

I would have thought it'd be too late. She couldn't have sued him at the time without admitting that she lied, which would have been dangerous for her.

She was farked over pretty badly on this one. I understand why Pagones sued everybody on this, but it feels vindictive to collect. However, he's a prosecutor, so looking for human feelings is pointless.

/Doesn't like cops, but admits that most of them have a few redeeming features.
//Not sure how someone could be a prosecutor without being a psychopath.


I think the lawsuit would have turned out very different if she had recanted. She had a lot of time to do so.
 
2012-12-25 11:07:55 PM  

the ha ha guy: Amos Quito: Ah yes, to wile away one's hours consumed with a burning, vindictive hatred for perceived wrongs long past, and for which amends can never be satisfactorily made.

FTFA: Pagones hadn't been actively seeking Brawley out [...] "I'm not looking for an apology, and I'm really not looking for money," Pagones said. "If at any point she wants to tell the truth about what happened, I'm always willing to talk."

Yes, he sure seems consumed with rage there, what with his 14 years of inaction and his indifference about being repaid...

It seems to me that he's not looking for a payday, he just wants her to come clean.

/Unlike her parents, whothink they "should be millionaires".


Reading that article scares me. Those people are INSANE.
 
2012-12-25 11:08:54 PM  
If I were the judge (and I by no means think this could happen in the real world...)

The judgement for defamation would be tied to the amount of money Sharpton and the rest got from TV appearances, increased donations, talking engagements, etc... in other words, every cent of money they made from this would go into the hands of the victim of their accusations.

I'm not sure how I would deal with a 15 year old. Probably enough for her to feel it, but not enough to ruin her life. The remainder would be from her parents because a) adults are often held liable for damages caused by their minor offspring and b) they were horrible people that were the root cause of the made up story in that the kids was (supposedly) terrified of the consequences of her actions.

All of them should be held accountable.

Having said that, yeah, is the supposed victim would have come clean, this probably would have gone away long ago
 
2012-12-25 11:10:04 PM  
I've never respected Sharpton because of his role in this, but he survived because he had enough plausible deniability. Brawley was 15 at the time. Making false accusations is a terrible thing, and she's been dodging paying all these years, but she was a troubled 15 year-old. A few years ago her side was trying to get the criminal case reopened. They stand by her story.

The fact that he's managed to keep all the paperwork filed to prevent the statute of limitations from running out on the judgement.

What a mess.
 
2012-12-25 11:15:03 PM  
"Much of the grand jury evidence pointed to a possible motive for Brawley's falsifying the incident: trying to avoid violent punishment from her mother and her stepfather Ralph King. Witnesses testified that Glenda Brawley had previously beaten her daughter for running away and for spending nights with boys. King had a history of violence that included stabbing his first wife 14 times, later shooting and killing her. There was considerable evidence that King could and would violently attack Brawley: when Brawley had been arrested on a shoplifting charge the previous May, King attempted to beat her for the offense while at the police station. Witnesses have also described King as having talked about his stepdaughter in a sexualized manner.[20] On the day of her alleged disappearance, Brawley had skipped school to visit boyfriend Todd Buxton, who was serving a six-month jail sentence. When Buxton's mother (with whom she had visited Buxton in jail) urged her to get home before she got in trouble, Brawley told her, "I'm already in trouble." She described how angry Ralph King was over a previous incident of her staying out late.[21]"

Wikipedia
 
2012-12-25 11:17:34 PM  

muck4doo: She could make a lot of money by apologizing, suing sharpton, and writing a book on how he manipulated her.


That is the ultimate in Victimology. Awesome.

My brain doesn't even work that way, would never have thought of it.
 
2012-12-25 11:28:28 PM  

jayphat: the ha ha guy: Amos Quito: Ah yes, to wile away one's hours consumed with a burning, vindictive hatred for perceived wrongs long past, and for which amends can never be satisfactorily made.

FTFA: Pagones hadn't been actively seeking Brawley out [...] "I'm not looking for an apology, and I'm really not looking for money," Pagones said. "If at any point she wants to tell the truth about what happened, I'm always willing to talk."

Yes, he sure seems consumed with rage there, what with his 14 years of inaction and his indifference about being repaid...

It seems to me that he's not looking for a payday, he just wants her to come clean.

/Unlike her parents, whothink they "should be millionaires".

Reading that article scares me. Those people are INSANE.



NO argument here.

But why should that make Brawley liable for the slander of Sharpton and Friends?
 
2012-12-25 11:29:06 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Al Shartpon is a special kind of liberal. He offends other liberals sometimes. They will still keep in around to unleash upon those who dare disagree with them. The relationship is similar to that of the Arab world and the Palestines. I think every Total Farker owes this man some money too.


He's not a liberal. He's a grifter. Who the hell knows if he believes anything he says.
 
2012-12-25 11:30:30 PM  

Dragonflew: KiwDaWabbit: People who make false rape accusations are a special kind of shiatty.

I believe they should receive the same punishment as an actual rapist.


I agree.  People who make false accusations make it difficult to prosecute actual rapists because people have the ridiculous notion that the few idiots who make false accusations exonerate rapists. Those biatches should rot, actual victims suffer because of their regrets or stupidity.  It helps give rapists excuses and doubt to hide behind. :/   Rape is nothing to ever lightly throw around and only someone with no concept of what it is ever could.
 
2012-12-25 11:33:24 PM  

wjmorris3: I have a problem with these claims that she made it up. If she says it's rape, that's proof enough for me to believe it's rape.


wjmorris3 raped me!

/sarc
 
2012-12-25 11:40:11 PM  
Holy fark, this thread is ruinously awful on so many levels.
 
2012-12-25 11:45:03 PM  

Reverend Monkeypants: Nemo's Brother: Al Shartpon is a special kind of liberal. He offends other liberals sometimes. They will still keep in around to unleash upon those who dare disagree with them. The relationship is similar to that of the Arab world and the Palestines. I think every Total Farker owes this man some money too.

He's not a liberal. He's a grifter. Who the hell knows if he believes anything he says.


cdn.motinetwork.net

the sad thing is, how well this has worked for him.
 
2012-12-25 11:45:53 PM  

Allen. The end.: Holy fark, this thread is ruinously awful on so many levels.


Thank you.

Your participation in the ruinously awful has been noted.
 
2012-12-25 11:46:05 PM  

Warlordtrooper: If a 15 year old can be held liable that means we as a society consider her old enough to be responsible. So she should also have been allowed to drink, smoke, vote, enlist.. ect at the age of 15.


At age 15 she can be prosecuted for drinking, smoking, voting, and enlisting, so can anyone who enables that.
 
2012-12-25 11:52:50 PM  

Amos Quito: But why should that make Brawley liable for the slander of Sharpton and Friends?


Shapton et al. aren't the ones actively campaigning to reopen the criminal case.
 
2012-12-25 11:52:58 PM  

WelldeadLink: wjmorris3: I have a problem with these claims that she made it up. If she says it's rape, that's proof enough for me to believe it's rape.

wjmorris3 raped me!

/sarc


And if that was charged, I'd plead guilty (despite the fact that I'm a virgin). After all, there's no proof that I didn't.
 
2012-12-25 11:54:31 PM  

Allen. The end.: Holy fark, this thread is ruinously awful on so many levels.


You're new around these parts, aren't you?
 
2012-12-25 11:55:21 PM  

conjecture and hearsay: I remember that.

"Ete shiat attractive and successful African-American". That's right, e - t - e.


Attractive and successful ... ? oh, yeah. Okay but the e-t-e is legit from the case.
 
2012-12-25 11:57:01 PM  
Al's fine. So he believed a young woman's story that she was raped by NYPD officers- it's not like that shiat doesn't happen there often enough anyway. It's ridiculous to blame him for falling for her story. A lot of people did.

Also, that was a thousand years ago. Al's all right with me.
 
2012-12-26 12:02:27 AM  

traxan: Whether he paid the penalty or not, it's a real disgrace that Sharpton continues to enjoy ANY media credibility. He has a show on MSNBC and was on Fox way too many times for my liking. He should be in hiding along with Tawana.


True. I'm normally OK with MSNBC's content, but when Rev. Al comes on, I switch away. He's just old-school creepy, as in "Let's see how big a check the Bank of White Liberal Guilt will cash for me TODAY?"
 
2012-12-26 12:03:28 AM  

wjmorris3: SlothB77: wjmorris3: I have a problem with these claims that she made it up. If she says it's rape, that's proof enough for me to believe it's rape.

Maybe learn about this case before saying stupid shiat. Her story was completely discredited. She did all that stuff to herself.

Still, rape charges are no joke. And yet they let the assailant off only because of race. Honest;y, he should be in jail where he belongs. Standing up for rapists is misogynist and wrong.


Going for a double down? I see you've got one on the hook already.
 
2012-12-26 12:05:18 AM  

KimNorth: wjmorris3: KimNorth: wjmorris3: martid4: wjmorris3: martid4: wjmorris3: Amos Quito: I'm doing my best to try to emplthize with "former prosecutor Pagones", but I cant.

What Brawley did was WRONG. She lied, cheated and, working the system, caused incalculable damage to the reputation, career, and the very life of a man - even though he was innocent as charged. Never apologized. Never offered reestitution.

Terrible. Unforgivable.

OTOH, that's was farking PROSECUTORS like Pagones do innocent citizens all farking day every farking day, and WE pay them to do so.


/How's them apples, Pagones?

No, what happened is Pagones raped Brawley and got away with it because he is white and she is black. Don't be misogynist and start blaming the victim.

I marked this as funny.

Nothing funny about a woman getting raped and her assailant getting off scot-free.

A grand jury determined that she made it up!  I marked YOU as funny!

The grand jury was obviously misogynist.

"Misogyny is the hatred or dislike of women or girls"

How does that work as I'm pretty sure there were other woman on the grand jury.

They ruled in favor of the man as opposed to the woman, which is classic misogyny. After all, true human beings have two X chromosomes so...

WTF AM I Reading!!


This is getting funnier by the moment.
 
2012-12-26 12:06:50 AM  

Gulper Eel: KimNorth: wjmorris3: KimNorth: wjmorris3: martid4: wjmorris3: martid4: wjmorris3: Amos Quito: I'm doing my best to try to emplthize with "former prosecutor Pagones", but I cant.

What Brawley did was WRONG. She lied, cheated and, working the system, caused incalculable damage to the reputation, career, and the very life of a man - even though he was innocent as charged. Never apologized. Never offered reestitution.

Terrible. Unforgivable.

OTOH, that's was farking PROSECUTORS like Pagones do innocent citizens all farking day every farking day, and WE pay them to do so.


/How's them apples, Pagones?

No, what happened is Pagones raped Brawley and got away with it because he is white and she is black. Don't be misogynist and start blaming the victim.

I marked this as funny.

Nothing funny about a woman getting raped and her assailant getting off scot-free.

A grand jury determined that she made it up! I marked YOU as funny!

The grand jury was obviously misogynist.

"Misogyny is the hatred or dislike of women or girls"

How does that work as I'm pretty sure there were other woman on the grand jury.

They ruled in favor of the man as opposed to the woman, which is classic misogyny. After all, true human beings have two X chromosomes so...

WTF AM I Reading!!


You are reading the work of a surprisingly successful troll. I can't believe he actually is getting nibbles on this line of shiat. It's like the Fark version of a schlumpy-guy/hot-wife sitcom.


And it's a laugh-riot.
 
2012-12-26 12:08:18 AM  

wjmorris3: And if that was charged, I'd plead guilty (despite the fact that I'm a virgin). After all, there's no proof that I didn't.


In that case, why not just put yourself in jail now and get it over with? After all, you openly admit that you could rape anyone at any time, so why are you continuing to put millions of innocent women and children at risk of your out-of-control penis? Sure, you might have self control now, but can you guarantee that you'll never lose that control due to being drunk, high, a side effect of a medicine, or just plain laziness?

Please, do your civic duty, put yourself in jail today. Think of the women and children... No, wait, DON'T think of the women and children. Fark, it's too late. I guess we better call out the national guard before you lose control and we end up with another massacre.
 
2012-12-26 12:11:47 AM  

the ha ha guy: wjmorris3: And if that was charged, I'd plead guilty (despite the fact that I'm a virgin). After all, there's no proof that I didn't.

In that case, why not just put yourself in jail now and get it over with? After all, you openly admit that you could rape anyone at any time, so why are you continuing to put millions of innocent women and children at risk of your out-of-control penis? Sure, you might have self control now, but can you guarantee that you'll never lose that control due to being drunk, high, a side effect of a medicine, or just plain laziness?

Please, do your civic duty, put yourself in jail today. Think of the women and children... No, wait, DON'T think of the women and children. Fark, it's too late. I guess we better call out the national guard before you lose control and we end up with another massacre.


No charges have been filed against me yet. But remember - rape is any sexual act a man performs on a woman. There are many rapists living openly in this country.
 
2012-12-26 12:18:27 AM  

SearchN: wjmorris3

Seems you are pretty new, or inexperienced at this. May I suggest finding an easier site to learn how to troll on? You are just going to get your ass bounced out of this place pretty quickly.


Actually, I think he is pretty good. Got a couple of bites I see from clueless individuals.

Unless... of course... they are reverse-trolling HIM! Link
 
2012-12-26 12:23:00 AM  

Reverend Monkeypants: Nemo's Brother: Al Shartpon is a special kind of liberal. He offends other liberals sometimes. They will still keep in around to unleash upon those who dare disagree with them. The relationship is similar to that of the Arab world and the Palestines. I think every Total Farker owes this man some money too.

He's not a liberal. He's a grifter. Who the hell knows if he believes anything he says.


I'm not clear on the exact difference here...
 
2012-12-26 12:30:16 AM  

wjmorris3: No charges have been filed against me yet.


Interesting wording you used there. "no charges have been filed", as opposed to 'I have not raped anyone'.

But my point still stands. You probably haven't raped anyone yet, but why wait for charges to be filed? When the police come for you, the damage is already done, the women have already been raped. Why are you refusing to protect those who are at risk of your nearly uncontrollable sexual urges?

You don't wait for a drunk driver to kill someone before you get them off the road, you get them off the road as soon as you know they're drunk. So why should rapists be any different? Why should innocent women be forced to suffer before you'll agree to protect the world from your penis?
 
2012-12-26 12:33:30 AM  

the ha ha guy: wjmorris3: No charges have been filed against me yet.

Interesting wording you used there. "no charges have been filed", as opposed to 'I have not raped anyone'.

But my point still stands. You probably haven't raped anyone yet, but why wait for charges to be filed? When the police come for you, the damage is already done, the women have already been raped. Why are you refusing to protect those who are at risk of your nearly uncontrollable sexual urges?

You don't wait for a drunk driver to kill someone before you get them off the road, you get them off the road as soon as you know they're drunk. So why should rapists be any different? Why should innocent women be forced to suffer before you'll agree to protect the world from your penis?


No, I've not raped anyone. But I also realize it's a potential rapist's word against a human's word, which will go toward the human.
 
2012-12-26 12:37:14 AM  

WelldeadLink: wjmorris3: I have a problem with these claims that she made it up. If she says it's rape, that's proof enough for me to believe it's rape.
wjmorris3 raped me!
/sarc


he started to rape me, but since it wasn't legitimate, my body shut down, and he was put on ignore.
 
2012-12-26 12:54:50 AM  

wjmorris3: No, I've not raped anyone. But I also realize it's a potential rapist's word against a human's word, which will go toward the human.


All the more reason to do your part to protect those humans you've not yet raped.

If you won't submit to jail, then what we need is stricter penis control. After all, the vast majority of rapes are committed with penises, and acquiring one requires no background checks, training, or oversight whatsoever, In fact, many even carry it with them, so they'll be ready to rape wherever they go. Why are we allowing such dangerous weapons to go unchecked? Unlike guns, penises only have one purpose, to rape.

As an admitted rapist, why haven't you given up your penis yet? We don't allow murderers to keep their guns, so why should rapists have 24/7 access to a weapon that has only ever been used for rape?
 
2012-12-26 01:01:12 AM  

the ha ha guy: wjmorris3: No, I've not raped anyone. But I also realize it's a potential rapist's word against a human's word, which will go toward the human.

All the more reason to do your part to protect those humans you've not yet raped.

If you won't submit to jail, then what we need is stricter penis control. After all, the vast majority of rapes are committed with penises, and acquiring one requires no background checks, training, or oversight whatsoever, In fact, many even carry it with them, so they'll be ready to rape wherever they go. Why are we allowing such dangerous weapons to go unchecked? Unlike guns, penises only have one purpose, to rape.

As an admitted rapist, why haven't you given up your penis yet? We don't allow murderers to keep their guns, so why should rapists have 24/7 access to a weapon that has only ever been used for rape?


Don't feed the obvious troll
 
2012-12-26 01:12:15 AM  
The statue of limitations is only for white folks.
 
2012-12-26 01:26:14 AM  

wjmorris3: SearchN: wjmorris3

Seems you are pretty new, or inexperienced at this. May I suggest finding an easier site to learn how to troll on? You are just going to get your ass bounced out of this place pretty quickly.

"Trolling" would imply that I don't believe what I'm writing.


Dude, we get it. We got it the first 10 times you wrote the same thing. Stop acting like a needy 5 year old and shut the f up already.

muck4doo: She could make a lot of money by apologizing, suing sharpton, and writing a book on how he manipulated her.


Howard Stern played the Tawana audio clip for years: "No one manipsmates me or my family."
 
2012-12-26 01:28:24 AM  

Phoenix_M: Off Topic: Rev. Al Sharpton was "ordained" at the age of ten and doesn't actually have any religious training.


Does it matter? What sort of "training" is there to be a bullshiat artist? At the end of the day, that's what most clergymen are anyway.
 
2012-12-26 01:32:12 AM  
You know how I know this biatch is a dumb coont?

She changed her name from Tawana Brawley to Tawana Gutierrez to get anonymity.

That's like Barack Obama changing his name to Barack Johnson.

Surely a Shaniqua aor a D'Shawna would be a better choice.

Still, no-one realised it was the same Tawana? How the fark many Tawanas are there?
 
2012-12-26 01:33:08 AM  

devlin carnate: muck4doo: She could make a lot of money by apologizing, suing sharpton, and writing a book on how he manipulated her.

Howard Stern played the Tawana audio clip for years: "No one manipsmates me or my family."



Define "Manipsmates".
 
2012-12-26 01:35:04 AM  

Curious: Infernalist: Lawyer strongly recommended that I never contact the girl again and that my words, in the hands of a good lawyer, could be twisted to be made to sound as if I didn't hold her responsible for the accident and could be used to appeal the settlement in civil court.

which proves the adage that lawyers people are worse than pond scum.


FTFY.
 
2012-12-26 01:40:05 AM  

the ha ha guy: ElBarto79: It would be nice if the guy could cut a deal with her to make a public apology and clear all or most of the judgement

He offered exactly that, and the offer apparently still stands. She refused.


It's NEVER about the money for the person getting the money.
 
2012-12-26 01:45:00 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: But we can't say what we really think becuz that would upset the neegroes.


Remember when people tried to disguise their racism? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
 
2012-12-26 01:49:39 AM  

Phoenix_M: Off Topic: Rev. Al Sharpton was "ordained" at the age of ten and doesn't actually have any religious training.


==

London Baptist Confession of 1646: (Article 25) The preaching of the gospel to the conversion of sinners, is absolutely free; no way requiring as absolutely necessary, any qualifications, preparations, or terrors of the law, or preceding ministry of the law, but only and alone the naked soul, a sinner and ungodly, to receive Christ crucified, dead and buried, and risen again; who is made a prince and a Savior for such sinners as through the gospel shall be brought to believe on Him. : John 3:14,15, 1:12; Isa. 55:1; John 7:37; 1 Tim. 1:15; Rom. 4:5, 5:8; Acts 5:30,31, 2:36, 1 Cor. 1:22,24.

That's very common in the Baptist tradition and has been for hundreds of years.

/TMYK
 
2012-12-26 01:53:07 AM  
Much of the grand jury evidence pointed to a possible motive for Brawley's falsifying the incident: trying to avoid violent punishment from her mother and her stepfather Ralph King. Witnesses testified that Glenda Brawley had previously beaten her daughter for running away and for spending nights with boys. King had a history of violence that included stabbing his first wife 14 times, later shooting and killing her. There was considerable evidence that King could and would violently attack Brawley: when Brawley had been arrested on a shoplifting charge the previous May, King attempted to beat her for the offense while at the police station. Witnesses have also described King as having talked about his stepdaughter in a sexualized manner. On the day of her alleged disappearance, Brawley had skipped school to visit boyfriend Todd Buxton, who was serving a six-month jail sentence. When Buxton's mother (with whom she had visited Buxton in jail) urged her to get home before she got in trouble, Brawley told her, "I'm already in trouble." She described how angry Ralph King was over a previous incident of her staying out late.

There was evidence that Brawley's mother and King participated knowingly in the hoax. Neighbors told the grand jury that in February they overheard Glenda Brawley saying to Mr. King, "You shouldn't have took the money because after it all comes out, they're going to find out the truth." Another neighbor heard Mrs. Brawley say, "They know we're lying and they're going to find out and come and get us."

In April 1989, New York Newsday published claims by a boyfriend of Brawley's, Daryl Rodriguez, that she had told him the story was fabricated, with help from her mother, in order to avert the wrath of her stepfather. Writing about the case in a 2004 book on perceptions of racial violence, sociologist Jonathan Markovitz concluded "it is reasonable to suggest that Brawley's fear and the kinds of suffering that she must have gone through must have been truly staggering if they were enough to force her to resort to cutting her hair, covering herself in feces and crawling into a garbage bag."


Yeah, she sounds like a horrible person. Someone should beat her soundly.

/also, she sounds kinda uppity, like that Sharpton fellow
 
2012-12-26 01:57:50 AM  

muck4doo: devlin carnate: muck4doo: She could make a lot of money by apologizing, suing sharpton, and writing a book on how he manipulated her.

Howard Stern played the Tawana audio clip for years: "No one manipsmates me or my family."


Define "Manipsmates".


I wish I could, but see then I'd have to think like a 15 year-old who thinks its ok to wrongfully accuse a bunch of white men of kidnapping and rape. Oh, and worse: I'd need to befriend Al Sharpton. I can't do either, so whatever "manipsmates" means, she's keeping it to herself, apparently.
 
2012-12-26 02:00:25 AM  
FTFA: She was smeared in feces, and the words "n----r"and "b---h" were scrawled on her in charcoal, with "KKK" carved into her shoe....a state grand jury found she had made the whole thing up.

A 15 year old smeared herself with poo and wrote racial slurs on herself with charcoal? Sounds like there was some serious mental issues there if that was the case. Of course, being written in the New York Post, it might even be true.

/If the Post said that the sun was coming up tomorrow I'd be worried.
 
2012-12-26 02:00:54 AM  

devlin carnate: muck4doo: devlin carnate: muck4doo: She could make a lot of money by apologizing, suing sharpton, and writing a book on how he manipulated her.

Howard Stern played the Tawana audio clip for years: "No one manipsmates me or my family."


Define "Manipsmates".

I wish I could, but see then I'd have to think like a 15 year-old who thinks its ok to wrongfully accuse a bunch of white men of kidnapping and rape. Oh, and worse: I'd need to befriend Al Sharpton. I can't do either, so whatever "manipsmates" means, she's keeping it to herself, apparently.


Exactly. I think she can sue Sharpton and get the book deal. I will even give her a definition for "manipsmates".

/Manipsmates: verb. Sticks ones penis through the family router.
 
2012-12-26 02:03:12 AM  
i44.tinypic.com

/oblig for all NYP threads
 
2012-12-26 02:05:49 AM  

Somacandra: [i44.tinypic.com image 445x298]

/oblig for all NYP threads


So true. Praise the Lord the NYP tried this case so we could easily discern it is bullshiat.
 
2012-12-26 02:21:18 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: But we can't say what we really think becuz that would upset the neegroes.


Hi. Black person here. By all means, say what you really think. I'm curious to hear it.
 
2012-12-26 02:25:30 AM  

ElBarto79: Man if you read some of the details of this case it's hard not to feel sorry for the girl. Her parents were both abusive, her stepfather beat and murdered his first wife. She came up with this lie to avoid being beaten. Imagine how terrified she must have been that rubbing shiat all over herself was better than facing her parents.

Once Sharpton and his cronies came into the picture she became a pawn. Yea sure she could have told the truth, but that would have meant facing the wrath of not only her parents but Sharpton and everyone else involved. I'm sure they probably told her not to worry about anything, that it would all be fine and she was going to get a lot of money when it was finished.

Now she's had to live a life in hiding to try and escape this. If she pays the garnishment of 700 a month she will never pay off this debt because the interest alone is more than that. It would be nice if the guy could cut a deal with her to make a public apology and clear all or most of the judgement. Honestly I don't think she should owe a dime, she made up the rape allegation but it was Sharpton who pointed the finger at this guy, not her.


It is sad, but what stopped her from admitting it was BS and apologizing in the years since??
 
2012-12-26 02:27:10 AM  
Prosecutor? Farking swine.
 
2012-12-26 03:14:23 AM  
as far as I am concerned, Racism is a fact of life, we can not wish it away, it's here to stay, and there is nothing wrong with it. It's when people use racism to enrich themselves, or lift themselves up, above others.... that's when the balloon filled with shait, hit's the fan.
Almost like when people use religion to accomplish those same things.

sounds to me like the lawyers/grownups where the real instigators of the real nastiness there, but why would someone so disapproving of racism, do such a racist thing to someone else that had nothing other than the color of his skin going against him, would they have done this to him, if he was a black guy... I highly doubt it. They wanted to send a clear message that it can only be white people that are racist, a black dude would just fark that plan up completely.

So at the end of the day, we are stuck with this and we will be able to do nothing about it,.... not even Mothernature herself can get rid of Black/WHite racism...
ilpiedenellascarpa.xoom.it
 
2012-12-26 03:26:10 AM  

here to help: Um... I'm not familiar with all this. My main question is... how did she end up in a garbage bag with racist sh*t written all over her? Sure they may have attacked innocent people but sounds like there was some kind of crime committed against her. I couldn't see a 15 yo being that diabolical.

Well maybe nowadays but not back then.

Meh.


I blame George Bush.
 
2012-12-26 03:40:05 AM  
This makes me happier than any other Fark link in a long time. Being born and raised in the area and about the same age as Ms. Brawley, I remember this case all too well. Especially the hell this woman put our town and all these people through. I hope she is made to pay every cent of this judgement!!!!!
 
2012-12-26 03:54:42 AM  

Oh_Enough_Already: TheJoe03: Glad this kind of irrelevant racist bullshiat doesn't happen much anymore, for the most part America's different races are getting along better than ever before and better than they do in Europe.

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Sucks that you can't believe someone would say that seriously. What about it is so unbelievable? Even if you live in some hole like Alabama, the racial situation is still better than it has even been. Some people will never admit to progress. And yeah, America is still less racist than Europe and most countries in the old world.
 
2012-12-26 04:01:41 AM  

TheJoe03: Oh_Enough_Already: TheJoe03: Glad this kind of irrelevant racist bullshiat doesn't happen much anymore, for the most part America's different races are getting along better than ever before and better than they do in Europe.

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Sucks that you can't believe someone would say that seriously. What about it is so unbelievable? Even if you live in some hole like Alabama, the racial situation is still better than it has even been. Some people will never admit to progress. And yeah, America is still less racist than Europe and most countries in the old world.


Unpossible! Racism has long been cured in Europe. They would never have Genocides or race riots there. It's a utopia of of derp dreams come true. Just look at the U.K. and France.

/You're never going to get through to the people who want to always believe we are the worst of the worst
 
2012-12-26 04:10:48 AM  

3rotor: as far as I am concerned, Racism is a fact of life, we can not wish it away, it's here to stay, and there is nothing wrong with it. It's when people use racism to enrich themselves, or lift themselves up, above others.... that's when the balloon filled with shait, hit's the fan.
Almost like when people use religion to accomplish those same things.

sounds to me like the lawyers/grownups where the real instigators of the real nastiness there, but why would someone so disapproving of racism, do such a racist thing to someone else that had nothing other than the color of his skin going against him, would they have done this to him, if he was a black guy... I highly doubt it. They wanted to send a clear message that it can only be white people that are racist, a black dude would just fark that plan up completely.

So at the end of the day, we are stuck with this and we will be able to do nothing about it,.... not even Mothernature herself can get rid of Black/WHite racism...
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You disproved your own statement. There's nothing wrong with racism until there is? I smell liquor!

If you substituted the word stereotype for racism in your post I think you would have made your point better, unless you really are a legit hate racist. Then I would have to tell you to eat shiat on a stale Ritz.
 
2012-12-26 04:40:39 AM  
take 25% of her wage... she still makes her EIC and CTC and whatever other govt handouts to which she's "entitled."

/attractive and successful African american biatch
//do not banninate, self filter9wned
 
2012-12-26 05:03:27 AM  
NannyStatePark....

you need to read what I said, more carefully.. and yes I think you are smelling liquor.... but there is a very simple reason for that ...

and yes, one needs to clearly label someone as a "HATE racist", in order for that person to be a bad person. a normal racist just don't cut it no more... does this now mean you agree that racism is in fact not bad as such, One needs to be a hater in general, to make racism into a bad thing.

why would I need to substitute the word racism with anything, I was not talking about stereotypes , and besides, if I where, you where able to pick up on it so there really was no need for me using some other word for it, in the first place now, was there.

as for the eating shiat part... was that really necessary? am I to assume that if you where to meet a person face to face, that you believed, are an actual racist, or "hate-racist" as you would call them, you would actually force them to eat "ritz", a stale one, that you would hold out to them,

that is just disgusting... almost kind of what hate-racists do to people they hate... not so...

just saying....
 
2012-12-26 05:19:46 AM  

Curious: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Curious: Infernalist: Lawyer strongly recommended that I never contact the girl again and that my words, in the hands of a good lawyer, could be twisted to be made to sound as if I didn't hold her responsible for the accident and could be used to appeal the settlement in civil court.

which proves the adage that lawyers are worse than pond scum.

Until you need one.

pond scum has it's uses. it's being mentioned as biomass for fuel -- so?

i had to use a lawyer against my mortgage company (who to root for there) and don't begrudge him what it cost since it saved me ten times that. but why did i have to use one? for one thing bean counters with their stalling tactics. the other, lawyers who advised the bean counters.  you think the mortgage mess would be half as bad as it is if sleazy lawyers hadn't been enabling the mortgage companies?

i used the threat of ambulance chasing lawyers (morris bart) against a car insurance company to get what i believed i was entitled to. and the net result is they gave me more than they would have originally. yes i took it and chalked the difference up to the trouble they caused me.

yes lawyers can be useful on occasion. but IMO all too often they get in the way of real work getting done. and reasonable people getting things done.


Ah. You have an issue with clients, but have decided to blame their agents instead. This is pretty much par for the course.

Carry on.
 
2012-12-26 06:12:58 AM  

3rotor: NannyStatePark....

you need to read what I said, more carefully.. and yes I think you are smelling liquor.... but there is a very simple reason for that ...

and yes, one needs to clearly label someone as a "HATE racist", in order for that person to be a bad person. a normal racist just don't cut it no more... does this now mean you agree that racism is in fact not bad as such, One needs to be a hater in general, to make racism into a bad thing.

why would I need to substitute the word racism with anything, I was not talking about stereotypes , and besides, if I where, you where able to pick up on it so there really was no need for me using some other word for it, in the first place now, was there.

as for the eating shiat part... was that really necessary? am I to assume that if you where to meet a person face to face, that you believed, are an actual racist, or "hate-racist" as you would call them, you would actually force them to eat "ritz", a stale one, that you would hold out to them,

that is just disgusting... almost kind of what hate-racists do to people they hate... not so...

just saying....


I'm bigoted against bigots? What can I say? One can forgive the ignorant, the uneducated, the backward, only so much and then one snaps and "goes cracker."
 
2012-12-26 06:21:30 AM  

the ha ha guy: Orange-Pippin: People will disagree with me on this but she has a kid and is already poor. The girl is no good but the kid is definitely going to suffer and may even end up going hungry. I'm not sure how this is "justice"
She was ordered by the court to pay her victim. She refused that order and went into hiding. If her debt is forgiven, if she is essentially rewarded for defying the government, how is that "justice"?

If she had owned up to it when she still had supporters, chances are she wouldn't have had to pay a dime out of her own pocket. Instead, she and her family stuck with the attitude that they should be the ones getting paid instead of the victim, and she purposely violated the courts by going into hiding rather than pay her debt.

She had the opportunity to put this behind her and move on. Instead, she committed other crimes, and now has to pay the price for those crimes as well as the original accusation.


Late response (sorry)

Punishing an innocent (the kid) to teach someone a lesson for a character defamation that happened 25 years ago is hardly the right thing to do. If the victim of this blemish cared that much about her character, he would demand community service or something else to help others. I just can't see any good coming out of this.
 
2012-12-26 06:24:22 AM  
that feeling I am but to familiar with...
 
2012-12-26 06:28:05 AM  
I think there are two types of racists. One is just ill informed, unacquainted with the group, and afraid. They may use stereotypes completely unconsciously, and aren't actively running their mouth toward, or running away from, the group. Most of the time these people are truly upset when they catch themselves and try to work on it as an issue.. Then you have the real racists, who consciously hate, and actively evaluate people and situations with racial bias, make everything boil down to race, stir conflict in the name of dialogue, attack and hurt others purely based on color or origin.

That's how some random chick who can't sleep after surviving a dismal Xmas thinks. I'm probably some kind of wrong, I've only experienced truly overt and hostile racism from a few blacks over the years, sad but true.
 
2012-12-26 06:36:16 AM  
There is a special Hell for people like her and Sharpton. I hope it exists and it's worse than Detroit.
 
2012-12-26 06:37:18 AM  

wjmorris3: Perfectly scientific fact. All true human beings have two X chromosomes. By contrast, all potential rapists have an X chromosome and a Y chromosome. It's a common mistake to confuse potential rapists for humans. It's why I admit that I am a potential rapist and not a human. It is my duty not to act on my urges.


Wow, you took this long to deliver your punch line? You crushed this thread just to set up "he made an obscene clone fall" or "Pardon me Roy, is that the cat that chewed your new shoes?"

I
 
2012-12-26 06:39:38 AM  
Brawley, who is black, claimed she was abducted and gang raped repeatedly by six white men, one of whom she said wore a badge.

A week after her "abduction," Fishkill Police Officer Harry Crist Jr., 28, committed suicide over a break-up with his girlfriend and his flunking of a state police exam.

The Rev. Al Sharpton seized on the suicide as "proof" Crist was one of Brawley's rapists. When Pagones offered an alibi for Crist, Sharpton - with Brawley lawyers Alton Maddox and C. Vernon Mason - called Pagones guilty, too.

As Brawley stood silent, Pagones, Crist and Scott Patterson, a state trooper who found Crist's body, were painted as racist brutes - until the following year, when a state grand jury found she had made the whole thing up.


/Way to stay classy Sharpton you oppurtunistic piece of shiat. No evidence, but you smear these guy's name in the mud. You are an assole. Even more than i thought you were before.
 
2012-12-26 06:50:55 AM  

NannyStatePark: I think there are two types of racists. One is just ill informed, unacquainted with the group, and afraid. They may use stereotypes completely unconsciously, and aren't actively running their mouth toward, or running away from, the group. Most of the time these people are truly upset when they catch themselves and try to work on it as an issue.. Then you have the real racists, who consciously hate, and actively evaluate people and situations with racial bias, make everything boil down to race, stir conflict in the name of dialogue, attack and hurt others purely based on color or origin.

That's how some random chick who can't sleep after surviving a dismal Xmas thinks. I'm probably some kind of wrong, I've only experienced truly overt and hostile racism from a few blacks over the years, sad but true.


The real problem is that the word "racist" has been redefined and extended to the point where every human being living in any democratic civilization is considered "racist," thus rendering the word devoid of meaning without extra qualifiers. That's what happens when everyone cashes in on it.

/oh, and you shouldn't have said it was black people being racist toward you
//everyone knows black people can't be racist, only the people that complain about the accusation of racism are the real racists
 
2012-12-26 06:56:00 AM  
The thing is, humanity as a hole, can be included into those two groups... and as bad as it might sound, I like my coffee the way I like my Women.... White and Sweet.
 
2012-12-26 07:09:10 AM  

3rotor: The thing is, humanity as a hole, can be included into those two groups... and as bad as it might sound, I like my coffee the way I like my Women.... White and Sweet.


So you like milk instead of actual coffee and you prefer people with "white" (??) pigmentation... in other words a corpse. That's nice.


Not to be be mean or anything, but seriously man....what are you talking about?
 
2012-12-26 07:29:49 AM  
I think just about the best a typical human can aspire to is to be an equal opportunity hater. I've been burned by people of every ethnicity, background, and creed. I generally hold anyone I don't consider a close friend at arm's length, but I won't go out of my way to sabotage or interfere with somebody unless I think they've got it coming. Of course, I think that people like Sharpton (not black people, but people that stir up the anger of others to get more attention for themselves) need to be kicked to the curb, hard. I understand it's within their first amendment rights to say what they want to short of slander, but it's ALSO within my first amendment rights to tell them to go fark themselves and take their opinions with them.
 
2012-12-26 08:19:41 AM  
This sums it up nicely, IMO

Link
 
2012-12-26 08:32:31 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-26 08:36:06 AM  
When I saw this had almost 300 replies, I knew there must be people inside defending that stupidassed girl.
 
2012-12-26 08:38:45 AM  

Orange-Pippin: People will disagree with me on this but she has a kid and is already poor. The girl is no good but the kid is definitely going to suffer and may even end up going hungry. I'm not sure how this is "justice"


Actually, if they child is taken away from her by social services and placed with a decent foster family, *THEN* it will be justice, and everybody wins: Tawana pays for her crimes, Pagano gets some restitution, and Tawana's child doesn't get raised by a liar with no sense of right and wrong.
 
2012-12-26 08:54:17 AM  

theMightyRegeya: Much of the grand jury evidence pointed to a possible motive for Brawley's falsifying the incident: trying to avoid violent punishment from her mother and her stepfather Ralph King. Witnesses testified that Glenda Brawley had previously beaten her daughter for running away and for spending nights with boys. King had a history of violence that included stabbing his first wife 14 times, later shooting and killing her. There was considerable evidence that King could and would violently attack Brawley: when Brawley had been arrested on a shoplifting charge the previous May, King attempted to beat her for the offense while at the police station. Witnesses have also described King as having talked about his stepdaughter in a sexualized manner. On the day of her alleged disappearance, Brawley had skipped school to visit boyfriend Todd Buxton, who was serving a six-month jail sentence. When Buxton's mother (with whom she had visited Buxton in jail) urged her to get home before she got in trouble, Brawley told her, "I'm already in trouble." She described how angry Ralph King was over a previous incident of her staying out late.

There was evidence that Brawley's mother and King participated knowingly in the hoax. Neighbors told the grand jury that in February they overheard Glenda Brawley saying to Mr. King, "You shouldn't have took the money because after it all comes out, they're going to find out the truth." Another neighbor heard Mrs. Brawley say, "They know we're lying and they're going to find out and come and get us."

In April 1989, New York Newsday published claims by a boyfriend of Brawley's, Daryl Rodriguez, that she had told him the story was fabricated, with help from her mother, in order to avert the wrath of her stepfather. Writing about the case in a 2004 book on perceptions of racial violence, sociologist Jonathan Markovitz concluded "it is reasonable to suggest that Brawley's fear and the kinds of suffering that she must have gone through must have been tru ...


They do sound uppity thinking they are worth more than someone else to put this kind of trouble on them to save themseves from their own selfish choices.
 
2012-12-26 08:56:20 AM  
Is she still covered in shyte?
 
2012-12-26 09:01:55 AM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: Hi Tawana I work for Random House Publishing .

How would like to make all your money problems go away ? We want you to write a book .

I can set you up with a ghost writer and you can tell the world how you were used by Rev Sharpton and those lawyers.

I mean Sharpton has TV show and is making mad money with MSNBC and what are you gettin' girl ?


I like this a lot.

/ from a liberal that wears Birkenstock's to the shooting range.
 
2012-12-26 09:05:33 AM  

pueblonative: leevis: prince of peas: ClavellBCMI: jake_lex: Torqueknot: Satanic_Hamster: Kinda curious to why she had the largest bill; the others seem to have had a much larger hand in the false accusations against him.

And Al paid up damn quick, to get it behind him.

FTFA: Sharpton paid his $66,000 judgment to Pagones, with help from OJ Simpson lawyer Johnnie Cochran and others.

More than likely, Reverend Slimy never paid a cent, he had his wealthy friends pay the penalty, just as he has others pay for everything else. Slimeball.

His "friends" did pay it for him and not quickly. It was several years later and they had to go after him for it.


Well, too bad Tawana doesn't have any rich friends that will pay for things like that or vacations or anything.


That link. Holy hell. What a perverse, surreal existence.
 
2012-12-26 09:34:13 AM  
I'd wager that Sharpton's been sending her a monthly check for 25 years to make sure she doesn't go on the talk show circuit.
 
2012-12-26 09:45:58 AM  

qualtrough: ElBarto79: Man if you read some of the details of this case it's hard not to feel sorry for the girl. Her parents were both abusive, her stepfather beat and murdered his first wife. She came up with this lie to avoid being beaten. Imagine how terrified she must have been that rubbing shiat all over herself was better than facing her parents.

Once Sharpton and his cronies came into the picture she became a pawn. Yea sure she could have told the truth, but that would have meant facing the wrath of not only her parents but Sharpton and everyone else involved. I'm sure they probably told her not to worry about anything, that it would all be fine and she was going to get a lot of money when it was finished.

Now she's had to live a life in hiding to try and escape this. If she pays the garnishment of 700 a month she will never pay off this debt because the interest alone is more than that. It would be nice if the guy could cut a deal with her to make a public apology and clear all or most of the judgement. Honestly I don't think she should owe a dime, she made up the rape allegation but it was Sharpton who pointed the finger at this guy, not her.

It is sad, but what stopped her from admitting it was BS and apologizing in the years since??


Well for one thing she was living in secrecy under an assumed name. Dredging this all back up probably isn't something she would want to go through or put her family through. Beyond that there could be legal reasons, maybe Sharpton and his crew had her sign a gag order preventing her from talking about the incident in exchange for payment or some other assistance, assistance like helping her change her name, relocate, attend college and start a new life in secrecy perhaps? Plus she would still have to deal with her convicted murderer stepfather who was been backing her story all these years.
 
2012-12-26 09:50:24 AM  

PsiChick: DerAppie: noitsnot: But, I'm sorry, that's nuts. Teens standing up to adults and lecturing them about how they should do the right thing, because - you know - they have strayed from the path and need the voice of innocence to set them straight... That's just on TV shows. That's not real.

She didn't need to stand up to anyone or make moralising speeches. All she needed to do was at some point in the many, many times lawyers, police officers and the judge spoke to her say the words "He did not rape me." Then all the adults would be sidelined and the guy would be more or less free to go (after more investigation).

If you're an abuse victim, that might be an unreasonable expectation, especially if you're a child-abuse victim. The abuser basically brainwashes the child into going into survival mode. So part of her brain was probably saying 'this is very important to them, do not fark with it unless you want to get beaten'.

/There's times when you should go after people for lying, but from TFA and this thread, I'm not seeing any good reasons. Especially since it'll fark up a little kid who did absolutely nothing.


I agree, it is unlikely that she would have. Doesn't take away the fact that she should have.

/Could have
//Should have
///Very unlikely that people in that situation would have
 
2012-12-26 10:00:53 AM  
I had an independent contractor rip me off for a block of pre-paid marketing & design work once. She did a good job on 2 of 3 projects, asked for an advance on the 3rd, then disappeared. I went through the process of getting a judgement against her, though I knew she wouldn't show up & I'd never collect.

Nearly 5 years later, completely by accident, I found out her new name & where she was working. 30 minutes at the courthouse later, I had a garnishment order.

Turned out that she had just quit & cashed in all her vacation, so that final paycheck was decent-sized... and I got it all.

That was a good day.
 
2012-12-26 10:31:24 AM  

Teiritzamna: Ah. You have an issue with clients, but have decided to blame their agents instead. This is pretty much par for the course.


on occasion but given that the law schools are turning out lawyers by the tens of thousands and the need is in the single digits one suspects the lawyers are ginning up business where none really exists. IMO the nanny state is a direct result of lawyers wanting work and creating it where none existed.



look at what happened with no lawyers just one man and lawn darts. now you have swarms of "product safety" lawyers and the "do not use in shower" label on hair dryers.
 
2012-12-26 10:56:30 AM  

Curious: traxan: Whether he paid the penalty or not, it's a real disgrace that Sharpton continues to enjoy ANY media credibility. He has a show on MSNBC and was on Fox way too many times for my liking. He should be in hiding along with Tawana.

i'll take MSNBC over Fox any day but when they put Al on they lost a lot of credence.


Rev. Al is Fox News' wet dream:  a 'civil rights activist' who completely conforms to their stereotype of
such people being complete charlatans.

I'm surprised they don't have him on permanent retainer.
 
2012-12-26 11:05:51 AM  

Oh_Enough_Already: Holding black people legally accountable for their actions is racist!


Dude, you have exactly zero credibility when it comes to calling out racism

pictat.com
 
2012-12-26 11:11:32 AM  

traxan: Whether he paid the penalty or not, it's a real disgrace that Sharpton continues to enjoy ANY media credibility. He has a show on MSNBC and was on Fox way too many times for my liking. He should be in hiding along with Tawana.


He's good for at least a hundred thousand votes in any election, probably more. He's had that core support since the beginning, no matter what he did or said. That makes him a kingmaker in NY Democratic politics, especially in the city.
 
2012-12-26 11:15:11 AM  

mongbiohazard: Carousel Beast: Funny how Theateus isn't around for this thread...


On December 25th, in the United States? You think that's strange?
It's almost as if he could be busy with something else... what could it be, what could it be....


Heh.

Carousel, how can I aid your futile attempts to understand complicated concepts like default judgement or the standard of proof required for perjury today?
 
2012-12-26 11:18:01 AM  

Orange-Pippin: the ha ha guy: Orange-Pippin: People will disagree with me on this but she has a kid and is already poor. The girl is no good but the kid is definitely going to suffer and may even end up going hungry. I'm not sure how this is "justice"
She was ordered by the court to pay her victim. She refused that order and went into hiding. If her debt is forgiven, if she is essentially rewarded for defying the government, how is that "justice"?

If she had owned up to it when she still had supporters, chances are she wouldn't have had to pay a dime out of her own pocket. Instead, she and her family stuck with the attitude that they should be the ones getting paid instead of the victim, and she purposely violated the courts by going into hiding rather than pay her debt.

She had the opportunity to put this behind her and move on. Instead, she committed other crimes, and now has to pay the price for those crimes as well as the original accusation.

Late response (sorry)

Punishing an innocent (the kid) to teach someone a lesson for a character defamation that happened 25 years ago is hardly the right thing to do. If the victim of this blemish cared that much about her character, he would demand community service or something else to help others. I just can't see any good coming out of this.


She is not an innocent. The other guy she falsely accused offed himself after losing his job and family. She deserves a lot worse than community service.
 
2012-12-26 11:27:02 AM  

mrschwen: She is not an innocent. The other guy she falsely accused offed himself after losing his job and family. She deserves a lot worse than community service.


I was real young when this case was around, so I missed any of this, but TFA refutes your statement:
A week after her "abduction," Fishkill Police Officer Harry Crist Jr., 28, committed suicide over a break-up with his girlfriend and his flunking of a state police exam.

Also, at least Wiki seems to be inconclusive that she, rather than Sharpton, Mason, and Maddox, ever actually accused anyone: "Brawley provided no names or descriptions of her assailants."
 
2012-12-26 11:33:09 AM  

Amos Quito: advex101: I wonder how much hate there would be for this girl if Al Sharpton wasn't involved. I think there would be much, much less. Can you be hold financially liable for your actions as a minor? I don't see how.


I agree. In fact, I question whether Brawley should be liable in this instance AT ALL.


FTA: "The Rev. Al Sharpton seized on the suicide as "proof" Crist was one of Brawley's rapists. When Pagones offered an alibi for Crist, Sharpton - with Brawley lawyers Alton Maddox and C. Vernon Mason - called Pagones guilty, too."


Brawley created the initial lie, but it was Sharpton and Company who dragged Pagones into this.


FTA:  "As Brawley stood silent, Pagones, Crist and Scott Patterson, a state trooper who found Crist's body, were painted as racist brutes - until the following year, when a state grand jury found she had made the whole thing up."

I don't see where Brawley implicated Pagones in any way - at least not from TFA. Why should she be responsible for the slanders mouthed by Sharpton and Company?

Maybe someone knows of evidence that would substantiate this judgement?


The original judgement against her was a default judgement - Pagones brought suit for defamation, she failed to show up or answer the complaint, and so she got a judgement against her by default. Because it's so many years later, it'd be tough for her to get the default withdrawn so that she could respond. Theoretically, she could request an injunction on enforcing it on the grounds that the original judgement was invalid for the grounds you note - a 15 year old staying silent is usually not going to be enough for a defamation suit.
 
2012-12-26 11:42:12 AM  

ReapTheChaos: Wow, 25 years is a long time to hold a grudge.  Some people need to learn how to let things go.


I was 12 or so when all this happened. I remember that all the newspapers and tv stations were covering this a lot. Those guys were beaten mercilessly in the press and by the Sharpton/Mason crowd. I seem to remember her hiding in a church for some reason - they probably wanted to prosecute her for filing a false police report. But I digress.
If that happened to me, 250 years wouldn't be long enough to let it go, let alone 25.
 
2012-12-26 11:47:27 AM  

Phoenix_M: Off Topic: Rev. Al Sharpton was "ordained" at the age of ten and doesn't actually have any religious training.


That part I'm ok with. The idea of "religious training" makes a liberal arts education sound like an engineering program at MIT. Ordaining a ten year old who then goes on to be better known as a minister than the vast majority of "trained" preachers, priests and pastors just serves to show how silly the idea of a professional clergy really is.
 
2012-12-26 11:49:28 AM  

Orange-Pippin: 3rotor: The thing is, humanity as a hole, can be included into those two groups... and as bad as it might sound, I like my coffee the way I like my Women.... White and Sweet.

So you like milk instead of actual coffee and you prefer people with "white" (??) pigmentation... in other words a corpse. That's nice.


Not to be be mean or anything, but seriously man....what are you talking about?


/thanks for not wanting to be mean or anything..... BUT....... hint, next time, stop right there, because you just went forth and did exactly what you said you did not want to do...
 
2012-12-26 11:58:53 AM  

HideAndGoFarkYourself: So, this Pagones guy, he was a Lacrosse player at Duke, right? Or was that a different claim of gang rape that everyone believed initially, that turned out to be total crap?

You'd think after the Brawley incident that people would learn that sometimes, it's best to reserve your outrage until there's actual proof of something to be outraged about.

In my career I've taken probably....50 initial reports from people of all genders, races, ages, etc who have alleged sexual abuse. I'd be surprised if half of those turned out to be true. The number of people who claim that a parent is molesting them, or the number of teenage girls who claim to be raped to cover up consenual sex with a boyfriend or girlfriend is STAGGERING. Makes you wonder how somebody can intentionally ruin somebody's life to avoid being grounded for a few months.


Here's my true CSB:

A relative of mine used to work for a state care facility that helped out mentally disabled adults. In that program were two sisters who had accused their father of rape. The old man died in prison, friendless and abandoned by the rest of his family. Only later did the two sisters admit (confirming some suspicions) that they made up the story because the father had caught them, in their teens, attempting sex with a farm animal and had grounded them. That version is now wholly accepted by the women and the people who care for them but due to various reasons related to their particular circumstance, nothing can or will be done about it.

They admitted it, by the way, after being caught engaging in anothere attempt at bestiality by their state aide. They gleefully threatened to do to the aide what they had done to their father.
 
2012-12-26 12:01:47 PM  

gshepnyc: Here's my true CSB:


Wow, when you break out a CSB you really bring it!
 
2012-12-26 12:07:51 PM  

ko_kyi: wjmorris3: Perfectly scientific fact. All true human beings have two X chromosomes. By contrast, all potential rapists have an X chromosome and a Y chromosome. It's a common mistake to confuse potential rapists for humans. It's why I admit that I am a potential rapist and not a human. It is my duty not to act on my urges.

Wow, you took this long to deliver your punch line? You crushed this thread just to set up "he made an obscene clone fall" or "Pardon me Roy, is that the cat that chewed your new shoes?"

I


If that qualifies as a punchline, it's a poor punchline. I take my beliefs from the Bible, where Leviticus 18:22 reads "Thou shalt not lie with... a woman; this is an abomination."
 
2012-12-26 12:11:54 PM  

Amos Quito: advex101:I agree. In fact, I question whether Brawley should be liable in this instance AT ALL.


She put A LOT of work into her little scam. She deserves everything that is happening to her
 
2012-12-26 12:14:29 PM  

gshepnyc: HideAndGoFarkYourself: So, this Pagones guy, he was a Lacrosse player at Duke, right? Or was that a different claim of gang rape that everyone believed initially, that turned out to be total crap?

You'd think after the Brawley incident that people would learn that sometimes, it's best to reserve your outrage until there's actual proof of something to be outraged about.

In my career I've taken probably....50 initial reports from people of all genders, races, ages, etc who have alleged sexual abuse. I'd be surprised if half of those turned out to be true. The number of people who claim that a parent is molesting them, or the number of teenage girls who claim to be raped to cover up consenual sex with a boyfriend or girlfriend is STAGGERING. Makes you wonder how somebody can intentionally ruin somebody's life to avoid being grounded for a few months.

Here's my true CSB:

A relative of mine used to work for a state care facility that helped out mentally disabled adults. In that program were two sisters who had accused their father of rape. The old man died in prison, friendless and abandoned by the rest of his family. Only later did the two sisters admit (confirming some suspicions) that they made up the story because the father had caught them, in their teens, attempting sex with a farm animal and had grounded them. That version is now wholly accepted by the women and the people who care for them but due to various reasons related to their particular circumstance, nothing can or will be done about it.

They admitted it, by the way, after being caught engaging in anothere attempt at bestiality by their state aide. They gleefully threatened to do to the aide what they had done to their father.


Call me skeptical, but you're saying that he got convicted on the word of two mentally-disabled kids with no physical evidence? Your relative may have missed a few details in tell you that unverifiable and suspect story.
 
2012-12-26 12:21:32 PM  

Two16: Amos Quito: advex101:I agree. In fact, I question whether Brawley should be liable in this instance AT ALL.

She put A LOT of work into her little scam. She deserves everything that is happening to her


Like what? What did she do to be liable in a defamation suit? I am genuinely curious to hear you justify your asinine statement.
 
2012-12-26 12:24:53 PM  

wjmorris3: ko_kyi: wjmorris3: Perfectly scientific fact. All true human beings have two X chromosomes. By contrast, all potential rapists have an X chromosome and a Y chromosome. It's a common mistake to confuse potential rapists for humans. It's why I admit that I am a potential rapist and not a human. It is my duty not to act on my urges.

Wow, you took this long to deliver your punch line? You crushed this thread just to set up "he made an obscene clone fall" or "Pardon me Roy, is that the cat that chewed your new shoes?"

I

If that qualifies as a punchline, it's a poor punchline. I take my beliefs from the Bible, where Leviticus 18:22 reads "Thou shalt not lie with... a woman; this is an abomination."


So if you wear a cotton/poly blend shirt, you'll turn yourself in to be stoned right? Ever had shellfish? If I rape your daughter, I can buy marriage to her for 50 shekels, right? Are your slaves from the last war from the neighboring tribe behaving? If you're going to use an old-school rulebook, you should play by ALL the rules in it.
 
2012-12-26 12:33:18 PM  

Madbassist1: Two16: Amos Quito: advex101:I agree. In fact, I question whether Brawley should be liable in this instance AT ALL.

She put A LOT of work into her little scam. She deserves everything that is happening to her

Like what? What did she do to be liable in a defamation suit? I am genuinely curious to hear you justify your asinine statement.


While it's  theoretically possible for a defamation statute to include liability for someone who is silent when  another person says something defamatory, it doesn't appear to be that way in New York. From Dillon v. City of New York:
The elements [of defamation] are a false statement, published without privilege or authorization to a third party, constituting fault as judged by, at a minimum, a negligence standard, and it must either cause special harm or constitute defamation per se (Restatement [Second] of Torts § 558). CPLR 3016 (a) requires that in a defamation action, "the particular words complained of * * * be set forth in the complaint."
Allegations that the letter communicated to third parties that "in sum and substance [Dillon was] unprofessional and cavalier" are conclusory rather than accusatory, fail to specify time, place and manner of the communication (Arsenault v Forquer, supra;Vardi v Mutual Life Ins. Co., supra), and do not satisfy the pleading requirement of CPLR 3016 (a) that the actual defamatory words be specified.


Basically, it looks like under New York law, to show defamation, you have to name the specific words that the defendant used and show how those words were defamatory... and I don't think you'd get very far with a complaint that "..." was defamatory. In other words, the law requires an actual act of defamation, not just a failure to speak up.
 
2012-12-26 12:35:54 PM  

Sentient: I had an independent contractor rip me off for a block of pre-paid marketing & design work once. She did a good job on 2 of 3 projects, asked for an advance on the 3rd, then disappeared. I went through the process of getting a judgement against her, though I knew she wouldn't show up & I'd never collect.

Nearly 5 years later, completely by accident, I found out her new name & where she was working. 30 minutes at the courthouse later, I had a garnishment order.

Turned out that she had just quit & cashed in all her vacation, so that final paycheck was decent-sized... and I got it all.

That was a good day.


In Texas, you could put a lien on her house. Not sure about the other assets.
 
2012-12-26 12:38:10 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Oh_Enough_Already: Holding black people legally accountable for their actions is racist!

Dude, you have exactly zero credibility when it comes to calling out racism

[pictat.com image 750x600]


Snap!
 
2012-12-26 01:01:05 PM  
Hate it when I get called out in a thread and the troll has already left.
 
2012-12-26 01:01:13 PM  

Buffalo77: Warlordtrooper

I'm torn on this issue on one hand the courts should not be able to be use by he higher classes to torment the lower classes

Ever hear of the equal protection clause.


He just wants to spread the wealth around.
 
2012-12-26 01:12:20 PM  

boinkingbill: Is she still covered in shyte?


Well she IS brown.
 
2012-12-26 01:35:13 PM  

Arumat: So if you wear a cotton/poly blend shirt, you'll turn yourself in to be stoned right? Ever had shellfish? If I rape your daughter, I can buy marriage to her for 50 shekels, right? Are your slaves from the last war from the neighboring tribe behaving? If you're going to use an old-school rulebook, you should play by ALL the rules in it.


Dude stop. Can't you see what is happening here?
 
2012-12-26 01:52:19 PM  

Curious: Teiritzamna: Ah. You have an issue with clients, but have decided to blame their agents instead. This is pretty much par for the course.

on occasion but given that the law schools are turning out lawyers by the tens of thousands and the need is in the single digits one suspects the lawyers are ginning up business where none really exists. IMO the nanny state is a direct result of lawyers wanting work and creating it where none existed.

look at what happened with no lawyers just one man and lawn darts. now you have swarms of "product safety" lawyers and the "do not use in shower" label on hair dryers.


Wow. You must really love Dan Brown stories, given the odd and unsupported cognitive leaps here.

1) law should are pumping out far too many baby lawyers. This is demonstratively true. However the result is not an army of lawyers sweeping across America suing like weasels fark. It is in fact the far more likely outcome that there are various farkton of unemployed and Indebted attorneys.

2) this "nanny state" that seems to chap your hiney so much is mostly a creature of statute - and almost all of those laws were enacted after some ridiculous tragedy that got the voters all riled up - see e.g., Newtown andthe clarion call for new gun laws.

3) it may come as a shock you that Americans are hypocrites. Just as we as a country hate smut and porn, yet consume it in massive amounts, the average Joe will biatch and moan about outrageous lawsuits (most of which are either fictitious or brutally mischaracterized), but the minute something happens they run to a lawyer to get their just compensation. Litigators spend a lot more of their time trying to convince clients not to sue* than they do "ginning" up fake lawsuits.**

The genreal truth is, people suck and display this fact through lots of means: weapons, lawyers, fark posts, you name it.

* does not apply to class actions, which are a whole different fish kettle.
**especially as doing so is illegal.
 
2012-12-26 01:55:12 PM  
Law should = law schools. Hooray autocorrect!
 
2012-12-26 02:40:12 PM  

DerAppie: I agree, it is unlikely that she would have. Doesn't take away the fact that she should have.

/Could have
//Should have
///Very unlikely that people in that situation would have


Yes, and I'm sure people  should do all sorts of things, but legally punishing them for not doing it is sometimes counterproductive.
 
2012-12-26 03:14:44 PM  

Orange-Pippin: the ha ha guy: Orange-Pippin: People will disagree with me on this but she has a kid and is already poor. The girl is no good but the kid is definitely going to suffer and may even end up going hungry. I'm not sure how this is "justice"
She was ordered by the court to pay her victim. She refused that order and went into hiding. If her debt is forgiven, if she is essentially rewarded for defying the government, how is that "justice"?

If she had owned up to it when she still had supporters, chances are she wouldn't have had to pay a dime out of her own pocket. Instead, she and her family stuck with the attitude that they should be the ones getting paid instead of the victim, and she purposely violated the courts by going into hiding rather than pay her debt.

She had the opportunity to put this behind her and move on. Instead, she committed other crimes, and now has to pay the price for those crimes as well as the original accusation.

Late response (sorry)

Punishing an innocent (the kid) to teach someone a lesson for a character defamation that happened 25 years ago is hardly the right thing to do. If the victim of this blemish cared that much about her character, he would demand community service or something else to help others. I just can't see any good coming out of this.



She and her family are actively campaigning, today, to re-open the criminal case against the victim.

If she had put it behind her 25 years ago, I'd probably agree, but she is actively continuing to proclaim his guilt, she is actively trying to put him in jail for something that a grand jury has already determined he did not do.

If she were to put it behind her, the guy probably would too. But why should this guy forgive someone who has spent the last 25 years trying to ruin his life?
 
2012-12-26 03:38:48 PM  

ko_kyi: Arumat: So if you wear a cotton/poly blend shirt, you'll turn yourself in to be stoned right? Ever had shellfish? If I rape your daughter, I can buy marriage to her for 50 shekels, right? Are your slaves from the last war from the neighboring tribe behaving? If you're going to use an old-school rulebook, you should play by ALL the rules in it.

Dude stop. Can't you see what is happening here?


Heh, I probably ran headfirst into Poe's Law there, huh?
 
2012-12-26 06:58:05 PM  

ReapTheChaos: Wow, 25 years is a long time to hold a grudge.  Some people need to learn how to let things go.


So someone ruins your life and forces you to struggle for over a decade while you lose almost everyone around you and then it.comes out that she knowingly lied about the whole thing, are you saying she wouldn't be pissed for a long damn time?

This biatch deserves to be in jail for 10-15 years for the shiat.she caused.
 
2012-12-26 07:33:47 PM  

Theaetetus: Hate it when I get called out in a thread and the troll has already left.



Not to worry, good sir.

Your evidence and observations did not go unappreciated.

:-)
 
2012-12-26 08:54:38 PM  

noitsnot: DownDaRiver: Easy to guess, but unable to be sure the type of advice, encoragement, brainwashing that Sharpton and others pushed onto her. She was only 15, but surely old enough to understand wrong from right.
It was her that initiated the situation. So ultimetly it was up to her to end the farce that it was. Not that it would have been easy for her to throw off the pressure. Still, it started with her, and she should bare the brunt of the penilties for it.
Sharpton and other should do the right thing and admitt their part in fanning the flames, and pitch in to set things right. But they won't, its not in their nature to admitt fault. That would mean they would have to admitt that they are as racist, if not more so, than those they accused

You guys have weird ideas - like some 15yo girl is gonna stand up to a bunch of pushy money grubbing adults, including her parents who beat her.


This, this , and a double this. No way is some girl who lied (though never accused anyone specifically) to get out of trouble with her family, going to admit she lied. There is her Mom and Dad, the Today Show, so-called respected civil leaders, all claiming she was wronged (with one fat ass in a jogging suit whispering ideas in her head). Should she be punished, absolutely. If she accused an individual falsly of raping her with no coersion - she should go to jail regardless of age, But she was an easily influenced teenager, who knew she was in trouble, and had no adult in her life to tell her to accept responsibilty.
 
2012-12-26 09:02:57 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Pay attention, Zimmerman.


Attorney General Eric Holder praised left-wing activist Rev. Al Sharpton at the opening of the National Action Network (NAN) convention on Wednesday, and also stressed that the Justice Department is conducting a thorough investigation of the fatal Trayvon Martin shooting that "will examine the facts and the law."

Sharpton, president of NAN and host of MSNBC's Politics Nation, has led several rallies demanding the arrest of George Zimmerman, who reportedly shot Martin on Feb. 26. On Mar. 30 in Sanford, Fla., where the shooting occurred, Sharpton pledged that his group would "move to the next level if Zimmerman isn't arrested."

At the opening of NAN's 14th annual convention in Washington, D.C., the attorney general first thanked MSNBC's Rev. Sharpton "for your partnership, your friendship, and your tireless efforts to speak out for the voiceless, to stand up for the powerless, and to shine a light on the problems we must solve, and the promises we must fulfill."
 
2012-12-26 10:35:27 PM  

Ctrl-Alt-Del: Oh_Enough_Already: Holding black people legally accountable for their actions is racist!

Dude, you have exactly zero credibility when it comes to calling out racism

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Oh, adorable. He's blatantly racist and has hundreds of greenlits. Boyfriend of a modmin or paid troll?

Theaetetus: Call me skeptical, but you're saying that he got convicted on the word of two mentally-disabled kids with no physical evidence? Your relative may have missed a few details in tell you that unverifiable and suspect story.


Eh. There's been people put to death on less.
 
2012-12-27 09:01:43 AM  

the ha ha guy: If she had put it behind her 25 years ago, I'd probably agree, but she is actively continuing to proclaim his guilt, she is actively trying to put him in jail for something that a grand jury has already determined he did not do.


You have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

steamingpile: This biatch deserves to be in jail for 10-15 years for the shiat.she caused.


Nor do you.
 
2012-12-27 01:13:39 PM  

Madbassist1: the ha ha guy: If she had put it behind her 25 years ago, I'd probably agree, but she is actively continuing to proclaim his guilt, she is actively trying to put him in jail for something that a grand jury has already determined he did not do.

You have no idea what you're talking about, do you?


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/20-years-tawana-brawley-turned-back- ar ticle-1.258639

"They say they decided to speak publicly for the first time in more than 15 years to beg Gov. Spitzer and Attorney General Andrew Cuomo to unseal the files and reopen the case."
[...]
"We're going to fight this case all the way to the end"
Unless you're accusing the newspaper of fabricating those quotes, I think it's safe to say they haven't left the issue in the past.
 
2012-12-27 02:08:00 PM  
Who's guilt is she proclaiming? Who is she trying to put in jail?
 
2012-12-27 02:10:38 PM  

the ha ha guy: Madbassist1: the ha ha guy: If she had put it behind her 25 years ago, I'd probably agree, but she is actively continuing to proclaim his guilt, she is actively trying to put him in jail for something that a grand jury has already determined he did not do.

You have no idea what you're talking about, do you?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/20-years-tawana-brawley-turned-back- ar ticle-1.258639

"They say they decided to speak publicly for the first time in more than 15 years to beg Gov. Spitzer and Attorney General Andrew Cuomo to unseal the files and reopen the case."
[...]
"We're going to fight this case all the way to the end"
Unless you're accusing the newspaper of fabricating those quotes, I think it's safe to say they haven't left the issue in the past.


Wow. Never mind. I stand corrected. I will say it seems thier parents are doing the kettle banging.
 
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