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(Some Guy)   Blackberry 10 to have the best mobile browser of any platform, according to benchmarks that nobody has ever heard of or cares about   (techvibes.com) divider line 19
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2012-12-25 01:05:36 PM
And the web experience will probably STILL suck on BB10 because everyone will target Safari and the default Android browser, or sites like Facebook will use the browser performance as an excuse to not create a high quality app for their service for years, like what happened with the iPad.
 
2012-12-25 01:05:59 PM
So, you got it to pass an incomplete test? Good for you RIM.
 
2012-12-25 01:11:48 PM
If I were a RIM shareholder, I'd be demanding an explanation of why they are developing their own web browser instead of just building on WebKit, thus guaranteeing interoperability with every mobile site designed for Mobile Safari and Chrome.

Also if I were a RIM shareholder I'd shoot myself in the farking gut.
 
2012-12-25 01:14:37 PM

poot_rootbeer: If I were a RIM shareholder, I'd be demanding an explanation of why they are developing their own web browser instead of just building on WebKit, thus guaranteeing interoperability with every mobile site designed for Mobile Safari and Chrome.

Also if I were a RIM shareholder I'd shoot myself in the farking gut.


This.  I can design my mobile site for over 90% of the users of mobile devices (combining the market shares of iOS and Android), or I can cater to a far smaller group and make my website less usable to the 90%.

Hmm, what to do.
 
2012-12-25 01:38:52 PM
The BB10 may be a great product, but RIM suffers the same problem as Windows Mobile Phone and the Surface tablet: Lack of developers.

It's a bit of a problem for many companies... Your first iteration of a product will most likely be something to hopefully get developers on board for the second version (hopefully bringing more users), but the problem is if no one buys the first one, few developers will waste time making software for it, and if there are fewer software options, well, that just turns off potential customers for future releases, turning off developers, etc. etc.

On a side note,I was initially shocked at how well the Google marketplace has been able to keep up with the iTunes app store, especially with Apple's aggressive marketing and well-established userbase due to the iPod/Touch, but Google played the game of "throw our OS at everything and anything", and managed to get a lot of people using their OS. Compared to Apple's method of keeping their OS locked down on a narrow assortment of hardware, Google going the opposite route helped them maintain a steady userbase, and therefore, gained a lot more developers in spite of less aggressive marketing and general unfamiliarity with their products by the average consumer.

RIM and MS had better start getting people (users and developers) on board quick, or RIM is as good as dead, and the only hardware MS will have any sort of share in will be in the console gaming market. As much as I like the "idea" of the Surface (and wish it was something more than it became), they have that one commercial that doesn't offer anything to consumers aside from having a keyboard that clicks when you put it on. They aren't going to be able to compete with Google, Apple, Amazon or anyone else with a seemingly lackluster effort. RIM suffers from an equal, if not greater, problem of awful marketing of their products. I haven't seen one commercial or ad campaign for their products, and the few people I know who have a BB are damn near ashamed of it. They should probably focus on keeping the users they have now, and maybe build off of that... if one of their largest customers are military/government, they better do what they can to secure and hold onto that by offering phones designed with those contracts in mind, rather than start making products that look like any other phone and lose out to competitors. And no, offering a supposed fast browser doesn't cut it.
/end random collection of thoughts
 
2012-12-25 02:20:12 PM
TFA would be great news for RIM- if mobile benchmarks were actually worth a damn. Link
 
2012-12-25 02:21:15 PM

Mad_Radhu: And the web experience will probably STILL suck on BB10 because everyone will target Safari and the default Android browser, or sites like Facebook will use the browser performance as an excuse to not create a high quality app for their service for years, like what happened with the iPad.


jake_lex: poot_rootbeer: If I were a RIM shareholder, I'd be demanding an explanation of why they are developing their own web browser instead of just building on WebKit, thus guaranteeing interoperability with every mobile site designed for Mobile Safari and Chrome.

Also if I were a RIM shareholder I'd shoot myself in the farking gut.

This.  I can design my mobile site for over 90% of the users of mobile devices (combining the market shares of iOS and Android), or I can cater to a far smaller group and make my website less usable to the 90%.

Hmm, what to do.


The new browser is based on WebKit. It has been since Blackberry 6.
Sites also do not always work exactly the same between Safari and Android/Chrome.
 
2012-12-25 02:26:49 PM
cdn.tinhte.vn
looks nice
 
2012-12-25 02:28:01 PM

1000 Ways to Dye: (snip- you've already farking read it.)

The new browser is based on WebKit. It has been since Blackberry 6.
Sites also do not always work exactly the same between Safari and Android/Chrome.


The sites that don't operate the same on android and chrome are poorly coded.
Any W3C compliant site will work between them just fine.
 
2012-12-25 02:44:51 PM
Windows 8 is going to have the best interface.

And Apple is going to have the best map app.
 
2012-12-25 02:50:30 PM

veive: TFA would be great news for RIM- if mobile benchmarks were actually worth a damn. Link


Your link is applicable to javascript performance benchmarks, which are only useful for comparing different browsers on identical hardware, or (less useful) comparing different hardware with identical browsers.

Of course, the article linked talks about conformance tests, which are quite different, and quite useful.
 
2012-12-25 03:13:03 PM
You know what "best" mobile browser is? The one I want. So long as these idiots keep telling me they know better than I do and keep locking down the phone so I can't install the browser of my choice, they're going to continue to fail.

RIM needs to get over itself. They weren't that smart, after all, and still aren't.
 
2012-12-26 12:06:29 AM

Mad_Radhu: And the web experience will probably STILL suck on BB10 because everyone will target Safari and the default Android browser, or sites like Facebook will use the browser performance as an excuse to not create a high quality app for their service for years, like what happened with the iPad.


There's a facebook app for BB10. Supposedly Facebook now has a new in-house testing standard for app compliance on devices and RIM has the very first to be certified BY Facebook.

I know they're trying very hard, they are not attempting to compete against Apple, they can still be competitive from what I see but they do have a lot they need to prove.

A bunch of people who know very little about the industry or the actual market place have a lot of negativity over something they've probably never seen or experienced.

We'll see what they do, it's been a long road and it will either end or keep going once 10 releases.
 
2012-12-26 12:27:51 AM

RoxtarRyan: The BB10 may be a great product, but RIM suffers the same problem as Windows Mobile Phone and the Surface tablet: Lack of developers.


battellemedia.com
 
2012-12-26 02:49:00 AM

Cooper420: There's a facebook app for BB10. Supposedly Facebook now has a new in-house testing standard for app compliance on devices and RIM has the very first to be certified BY Facebook.


Is it an actual natively coded Facebook app, like iOS has, or is it just a pretty wrapper for HTML5 content like the Android app was for a long while?
 
2012-12-26 06:34:14 AM

1000 Ways to Dye: Of course, the article linked talks about conformance tests, which are quite different, and quite useful.


Wouldn't the test need to be finished before companies like RIM start bragging about passing it?
 
2012-12-26 07:24:18 AM

fisker: [cdn.tinhte.vn image 600x450]
looks nice




That looks suspiciously like a rectangle with rounded corners. Has anyone notified the lawyers at apple?
 
2012-12-26 08:25:02 AM

fisker: looks nice


Droid X
 
2012-12-27 12:02:56 AM

poot_rootbeer: If I were a RIM shareholder, I'd be demanding an explanation of why they are developing their own web browser instead of just building on WebKit, thus guaranteeing interoperability with every mobile site designed for Mobile Safari and Chrome.

Also if I were a RIM shareholder I'd shoot myself in the farking gut.


Nice troll attempt. RIM's browser has been based on WebKit for years.

I have a Dev Alpha B device, the browser is pretty kick-ass. Not everyone's detecting it as a mobile device yet, but it's not out yet so I'm not worried. A month ago, Google was serving me desktop search site, but now it's the mobile one, as an example.
 
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