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(Japan Times)   Keiji Nakazawa, author of the anti-war/anti-nuke book Barefoot Gen, passes away at 73 years old   (japantimes.co.jp) divider line 8
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2012-12-25 03:53:14 PM  
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Free Radical: So of course the only right thing to do is to hit them with a nuke.


You'd have preferred they were fire-bombed like Tokyo or Dresden?

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Pearl Harbor aside, what they did in China alone incurred a huge karmic debt on Japan.
2012-12-25 02:52:45 PM  
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White_Scarf_Syndrome: TV's Vinnie: WizardofToast: While what the Japanese government did was terrible, I dunno how that justifies doing what we did to a city of civilians who may not have even known that stuff.

We simply got them before they got us (and believe me, they were very much in the process of getting at us. Not with nukes, but unleashing the Black Death across the US would have been bad enough. Possibly even more inhuman than a nuke strike).

Okaaay.,.heeeeere we go!

I do believe the Russians were very close in closing in from the West.

I do not now how long or with what forces, I will admit.


How so? The Soviet Union attacked the nation of Japan in August of 1945 during Operation August Storm. Because Japan had not expected an attack from the Soviets before 1946 (not realizing the Soviet Union had been moving tanks east long before the victory in Europe) they left very little resistance. In short terms the Soviet Union managed to conquer Manchuria, half of Korea (had to stop because they were out running their supply lines, giving us troops time to move into the south), the southern region of Sakhalin, and the Kuril Islands scoring nearly 10 to 1 kill ratios (some of the worst suffered by Japan during the entire war I believe). They were moving troops to invade Hokkaido when the war ended. The Soviets kept all Japanese territory they conquered.

Sakhalin saw the same reaction to foreign invaders as was witnessed in Okinawa. Including the tendency of families to commit suicide (fear of what the invaders would do to them from Japanese propaganda) rather than be conquered by foreigners. Soldiers would hand out grenades to civilian families so they could huddle around them and pull the pin.

Had the war continued Hokkaido could very well be Russian territory like the Kurils and the southern end of Sakhalin.

Considering what happened in places like Sakhalin, Saipan (Marpi Point), and Hokkaido, the nuclear bombs were probably the most humane (being the least amount of lost lives) way to end the war.

Probably NSFW Marpi Point from History Channel
2012-12-25 02:22:47 PM  
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WizardofToast: While what the Japanese government did was terrible, I dunno how that justifies doing what we did to a city of civilians who may not have even known that stuff.


We simply got them before they got us (and believe me, they were very much in the process of getting at us. Not with nukes, but unleashing the Black Death across the US would have been bad enough. Possibly even more inhuman than a nuke strike).
2012-12-25 02:09:18 PM  
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TV's Vinnie: Moral of story: DON'T BOMB PEARL HARBOR AND YOU WON'T GET NUKED!

Seriously, after reading about "Unit 731" and what they did (and what they had planned, such as balloon-carried payloads of plague fleas), it made me wish we had enough plute on hand for a dozen A bombs. They did stuff that even the Waffen SS would have winced at.


While what the Japanese government did was terrible, I dunno how that justifies doing what we did to a city of civilians who may not have even known that stuff.
2012-12-25 01:54:21 PM  
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Moral of story: DON'T BOMB PEARL HARBOR AND YOU WON'T GET NUKED!

Seriously, after reading about "Unit 731" and what they did (and what they had planned, such as balloon-carried payloads of plague fleas), it made me wish we had enough plute on hand for a dozen A bombs. They did stuff that even the Waffen SS would have winced at.
2012-12-25 12:27:18 PM  
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I haven't read Barefoot Gen in YEARS. I'm going to have to dig it up online or see if my son still has it. My son is as "no, you may not borrow that comic, not yours" as I am  with all of my books on various Pagan and Heathen traditions, so even if he has it (I'm pretty sure I passed it on to him) I may still have to order it online.

I miss reading comics, truth be told. I might roll on up to a comic shop and see what they have out nowadays, pick a few things up to read. Almost everything I have now is reference of the religious variety or books on black metal and death metal. A few comics here and there would help lighten me up a bit, I think.
2012-12-25 12:17:43 PM  
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AverageAmericanGuy: I always thought it was overwrought. They had clips on the news today of him giving a speech to school kids.

The gist of his speech was that you should never accept any reason to go to war. Peace is always preferable to war, because war is terrible.

I can understand how his experience may color his attitude, but this aversion to conflict is a huge problem in Japan and has led to the rise of societal elements that have figured out that you only need to act slightly intimidating because others will usually acquiesce. Some of this attitude may spring from Japan's aggressive expansion prior to WWII which led directly to its involvement in WWII (and similarly how America got entangled in Iraq). Rather than the military working to maintain a strong defensive posture, it became a tool for an expansionist empire. In this light, a healthy distrust of the military is necessary and good.

But there is a difference between being anti-war and being anti-'this war'. Nakazawa, and many other Japanese, make no such differentiation. I think it's wrong and leads to worse suffering at the hands of tyrants in the long run.


I think the thought of people like Nakazawa, though, is that Japan might not be able to handle the difference between the two.  It's sort of like an AA member who says that you can't drink socially because a glass of wine with dinner is going to end up in a three day bender that will put you back on the downward spiral.

I will not pretend that I know enough about Japan and its culture to know if this is a fair assessment, but given Japan's history, and what they have done this century (they certainly haven't gone as far to address and atone for this as Germany has), I can see the point.
2012-12-25 09:57:27 AM  
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Oh, thats sad.  IIRC Barefoot Gen was auto-biographical.

RIP dude, you earned it.
 
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