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(The Daily Beast)   RON PAUL slams NRA school guns plan: "School shootings, no matter how horrific, do not justify creating an Orwellian surveillance state in America"   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 222
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2012-12-25 08:59:51 AM  
broken clock, etc.

but he's definitely right on the GOP hypocrisy - spending billions of taxpayer dollars to create a new police state? how is that conservative? apparently, love of gun trumps all in the modern GOP.
 
2012-12-25 09:49:11 AM  

FlashHarry: broken clock, etc.

but he's definitely right on the GOP hypocrisy - spending billions of taxpayer dollars to create a new police state? how is that conservative? apparently, love of gun trumps all in the modern GOP.


The modern GOP? Conservative?
 
2012-12-25 10:00:41 AM  

kxs401: The modern GOP? Conservative?


yeah, well... fair point.
 
2012-12-25 10:15:49 AM  
Ron Paul is a tough one for me.  I agree with him on a lot of topics and I consider him completely batshiate insane on a lot of other topics.  He doesn't seem to be able to distinguish the baby from the bath water - meaning YES let's end the intrusion of government into our lives but NO, that doesn't also mean disbanding things like the Dept of Education and the EPA.  Chaos is not the solution to an overbearing Federal government.
 
2012-12-25 10:20:39 AM  

CPT Ethanolic: Ron Paul is a tough one for me. I agree with him on a lot of topics and I consider him completely batshiate insane on a lot of other topics. He doesn't seem to be able to distinguish the baby from the bath water - meaning YES let's end the intrusion of government into our lives but NO, that doesn't also mean disbanding things like the Dept of Education and the EPA. Chaos is not the solution to an overbearing Federal government.


Ron Paul is a crypto-fascist. He wants to get rid of federal control so that the states can go back to Jim Crow, etc. He is about the "freedom" to discriminate against non-white, non-Christian, non-disabled, non-male, non-straight people.

If you want proof look at his stance on immigration. He doesn't want free and open immigration across borders, even though that should be a libertarian stance, keeping with free association between all people, but for some reason he just doesn't like the idea of all them brown people streaming into Texas.
 
2012-12-25 10:21:36 AM  

Sid_6.7: Ron Paul is a crypto-fascist. He wants to get rid of federal control so that the states can go back to Jim Crow, etc. He is about the "freedom" to discriminate against non-white, non-Christian, non-disabled, non-male, non-straight people.


/FTFM
 
2012-12-25 10:23:30 AM  

Sid_6.7: CPT Ethanolic: Ron Paul is a tough one for me. I agree with him on a lot of topics and I consider him completely batshiate insane on a lot of other topics. He doesn't seem to be able to distinguish the baby from the bath water - meaning YES let's end the intrusion of government into our lives but NO, that doesn't also mean disbanding things like the Dept of Education and the EPA. Chaos is not the solution to an overbearing Federal government.

Ron Paul is a crypto-fascist. He wants to get rid of federal control so that the states can go back to Jim Crow, etc. He is about the "freedom" to discriminate against non-white, non-Christian, non-disabled, non-male, non-straight people.

If you want proof look at his stance on immigration. He doesn't want free and open immigration across borders, even though that should be a libertarian stance, keeping with free association between all people, but for some reason he just doesn't like the idea of all them brown people streaming into Texas.


Yeah, all the weed-loving 20-something dudes I know who think they're Ron Paul fans don't realize that he doesn't actually want to "legalize" marijuana -- he would be fine if Kansas imposed the death penalty for possession.

This is my main beef with libertarians -- if there's a boot on your neck, do you really care if it's a state boot or a federal boot?
 
2012-12-25 10:40:09 AM  

kxs401: Sid_6.7: CPT Ethanolic: Ron Paul is a tough one for me. I agree with him on a lot of topics and I consider him completely batshiate insane on a lot of other topics. He doesn't seem to be able to distinguish the baby from the bath water - meaning YES let's end the intrusion of government into our lives but NO, that doesn't also mean disbanding things like the Dept of Education and the EPA. Chaos is not the solution to an overbearing Federal government.

Ron Paul is a crypto-fascist. He wants to get rid of federal control so that the states can go back to Jim Crow, etc. He is about the "freedom" to discriminate against non-white, non-Christian, non-disabled, non-male, non-straight people.

If you want proof look at his stance on immigration. He doesn't want free and open immigration across borders, even though that should be a libertarian stance, keeping with free association between all people, but for some reason he just doesn't like the idea of all them brown people streaming into Texas.

Yeah, all the weed-loving 20-something dudes I know who think they're Ron Paul fans don't realize that he doesn't actually want to "legalize" marijuana -- he would be fine if Kansas imposed the death penalty for possession.

This is my main beef with libertarians -- if there's a boot on your neck, do you really care if it's a state boot or a federal boot?


They prefer the corporate boot.
 
2012-12-25 11:12:20 AM  
Gotta love old-school Ron Paul. But yeah, 'this' to everyone in the thread. I had my brief infatuation as well.
 
2012-12-25 11:13:33 AM  
But they do justify creating an Orwellian surveillance state in Connecticut, if they decide they want to. Woo hoo states' rights!!
 
2012-12-25 11:14:25 AM  
MOAR FREEDOM!
 
2012-12-25 11:28:37 AM  

Lumpmoose: Gotta love old-school Ron Paul. But yeah, 'this' to everyone in the thread. I had my brief infatuation as well.


I never did. I've always thought RON PAUL was a raving nutter who would take away freedoms in the name of keeping them.
 
2012-12-25 11:41:50 AM  
I agree with him on this.
 
2012-12-25 11:44:42 AM  
Yes, so we should take away citizen's guns and install security cameras everywhere instead.  That won't create an Orwellian state.  No sir.
 
2012-12-25 11:45:09 AM  
Okay...Okay....OKAY! Maybe he isn't such a douche after all!
 
2012-12-25 11:47:04 AM  

Lando Lincoln: Yes, so we should take away citizen's guns and install security cameras everywhere instead.  That won't create an Orwellian state.  No sir.


No one is talking about taking guns away from citizens...300 million guns here now. 4 million a year sold. Drama Queens with Guns should be the rallying cry of the NRA!
 
2012-12-25 11:53:01 AM  

Lando Lincoln: Yes, so we should take away citizen's guns and install security cameras everywhere instead.  That won't create an Orwellian state.  No sir.


So, is it time to rise up against the tyrannical government yet?  That' s what all the guns are for, right?
 
2012-12-25 11:56:28 AM  
Hasn't he pretty consistently said the same thing about terrorism?
 
2012-12-25 12:09:07 PM  

kxs401: The modern GOP? Conservative?


Not so much "conservative" as "fascist".

Sid_6.7: Ron Paul is a crypto-fascist.


Though I'm not exactly fond of crypto-fascists, they seem marginally preferable to plain fascists.
 
2012-12-25 12:14:22 PM  
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2012-12-25 12:18:34 PM  

abb3w: Sid_6.7: Ron Paul is a crypto-fascist.

Though I'm not exactly fond of crypto-fascists, they seem marginally preferable to plain fascists.


How do you feel about crypto-pseudo-quasi-neo-proto-semi-fascists?
 
2012-12-25 12:21:42 PM  
 "Do we really want to live in a world of police checkpoints, surveillance cameras, metal detectors, X-ray scanners, and warrantless physical searches?"

a lot of authoritarians would sure love to inflict that sort of world on the rest of us. if you believe that humans are only 'human' because they are forced to do so, or that only fear of retribution (physical or spiritual) keeps people in line...then you are deranged and should seek professional medical help.
 
2012-12-25 12:37:12 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: abb3w: Sid_6.7: Ron Paul is a crypto-fascist.

Though I'm not exactly fond of crypto-fascists, they seem marginally preferable to plain fascists.

How do you feel about crypto-pseudo-quasi-neo-proto-semi-fascists?


so long as they're not sem-automatic. Those should be banned.
 
2012-12-25 12:41:38 PM  

CPT Ethanolic: Chaos is not the solution to an overbearing Federal government.


Chaos would not be the result.

We've been conditioned to believe the alternative is bad so we always accept the choice before us. It's a false dilemma.

kxs401: This is my main beef with libertarians -- if there's a boot on your neck, do you really care if it's a state boot or a federal boot?


The difference between a 300lb man holding that boot versus a 150lb man. The more people in a gov't the harder it is to change it.
 
2012-12-25 12:44:46 PM  

Sid_6.7: CPT Ethanolic: Ron Paul is a tough one for me. I agree with him on a lot of topics and I consider him completely batshiate insane on a lot of other topics. He doesn't seem to be able to distinguish the baby from the bath water - meaning YES let's end the intrusion of government into our lives but NO, that doesn't also mean disbanding things like the Dept of Education and the EPA. Chaos is not the solution to an overbearing Federal government.

Ron Paul is a crypto-fascist. He wants to get rid of federal control so that the states can go back to Jim Crow, etc. He is about the "freedom" to discriminate against non-white, non-Christian, non-disabled, non-male, non-straight people.

If you want proof look at his stance on immigration. He doesn't want free and open immigration across borders, even though that should be a libertarian stance, keeping with free association between all people, but for some reason he just doesn't like the idea of all them brown people streaming into Texas.


Ron Paul started as an anti-busing candidate in Houston.
 
2012-12-25 12:45:38 PM  

kxs401: This is my main beef with libertarians -- if there's a boot on your neck, do you really care if it's a state boot or a federal boot?


Let's go one farther: why wouldn't you care if that boot were Wal-Mart's?
 
2012-12-25 12:46:57 PM  
For great freedom?
 
2012-12-25 12:47:48 PM  

FlashHarry: broken clock, etc.

but he's definitely right on the GOP hypocrisy - spending billions of taxpayer dollars to create a new police state? how is that conservative? apparently, love of gun trumps all in the modern GOP.


Um no.

1) tax cuts for the 1%. This is the #1 priority of the modern GOP and trumps even God.
2) guns
3) making a women's medical decisions for her
4) taking away safety nets for the poor and disabled
5) increasing military spending
6) legislating the bed room
7) downsizing and outsourcing to benefit 1%
8) telling people who they can marry
9) cutting education for more tax cuts to the 1%
10) forcing Christian religion on people
11) defending rapists
12) increasing their own pay and medical benefits while cutting other's
13) taking money from lobbyists
14) increasing the size of government
...
1000) Acting like an actual Conservative
1001) Reducing the deficit

I can go on and on...
 
2012-12-25 12:49:48 PM  
After he endorsed secession following President Obama's re-election Ron Paul can go fark himself.
 
2012-12-25 12:52:43 PM  
Nope, yous gots to fly some planes into buildings for that.
 
2012-12-25 12:58:12 PM  
I'm now waiting for someone to organize a debate between Paul and Wayne LaPierre on this topic. The venue should be a mental institution.
 
2012-12-25 01:00:09 PM  

tirob: I'm now waiting for someone to organize a debate between Paul and Wayne LaPierre on this topic. The venue should be a mental institution.


That's actually a really good idea.

tirob: I'm now waiting for someone to organize a debate between Paul and Wayne LaPierre on this topic. The venue should be a mental institution.


That's actually a good idea. The Right Wing won on the issue of gun control, now let them sort out the ramifications and how to deal with it.
 
2012-12-25 01:01:17 PM  

tirob: I'm now waiting for someone to organize a debate between Paul and Wayne LaPierre on this topic. The venue should be a mental institution.


I would pay to see that.
 
2012-12-25 01:03:35 PM  
His ideal end game is apparently 50 small countries independently acting exactly how one big country does, only each in a lawless state of chaos.

He's a silly little man, even if the odd strand of his thought happens to match common sense.
 
2012-12-25 01:03:40 PM  
RON PAUL!
 
2012-12-25 01:04:33 PM  
RON PAUL doesn't give a fark about the intrusiveness of government provided the scale is that of the state or lower.
 
2012-12-25 01:06:46 PM  
There are many valid reasons not to put volunteer gunmen trained by the NRA in schools. Ron Paul has not presented a valid reason. Just because Ran Paul doesn't like it, It's still wrong.
 
2012-12-25 01:10:22 PM  

Circusdog320: No one is talking about taking guns away from citizens...


Have you been paying attention to anything over the past week? Andrew Cuomo says confiscation is on the table. The Senate is floating plans for mandatory "buy-backs." Irresponsible journalists are publishing lists of registered handgun owners in New York as an intimidation/troll move. The anti-gun (and gun owner) hysteria is reaching the level of anti-Muslim hysteria in the wake of 9/11.
 
2012-12-25 01:11:56 PM  
You do realize that Ron Paul's views on gun control make Wayne LaPierre sound like the love child of Diane Feinstein and Michael Bloomberg...

He's objects to the NRA for conceding too much to the left.
Not that he isn't right, but be ready for page two of crazy when you're done reading the reasonable sounding page one.

/If that school was attacked by terrorists, no one would be at the gun store measuring magazine sizes.
/They'd be banging down the door of the local PD looking for security.
/Taking it to TSA levels is overreaching, but the government is already doing that on every issue.
 
2012-12-25 01:13:08 PM  
No one gives a fark what the great libertarian fraud thinks
 
2012-12-25 01:14:17 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: How do you feel about crypto-pseudo-quasi-neo-proto-semi-fascists?


I think they should be handed over to language Nazis.

Mrbogey: The difference between a 300lb man holding that boot versus a 150lb man. The more people in a gov't the harder it is to change it.


Contrariwise, it matters whether the boot is on the foot at the end of the leg, or at the end of a ten foot pole. Proximity makes a lot of difference.

Bungles: He's a silly little man, even if the odd strand of his thought happens to match common sense.


Which instances usually raise more question about how reliable common sense might be.
 
2012-12-25 01:14:30 PM  
Since we're not going to repeal the 2nd Amendment no matter how much certain people want to, and since the assault weapons ban is moronic and does nothing beyond make certain "scary" looking guns that operate precisely the same some "non-scary" guns harder to obtain, and since even if "assault weapons" were banned it would not stop school shootings, and since putting armed guards at schools is a "bad" idea... except for course for elite private schools for rich kids...

Let's just do nothing... Again.
 
2012-12-25 01:15:19 PM  

Fark It: Circusdog320: No one is talking about taking guns away from citizens...

Have you been paying attention to anything over the past week? Andrew Cuomo says confiscation is on the table. The Senate is floating plans for mandatory "buy-backs." Irresponsible journalists are publishing lists of registered handgun owners in New York as an intimidation/troll move. The anti-gun (and gun owner) hysteria is reaching the level of anti-Muslim hysteria in the wake of 9/11.


It's as if people are tired of the endless mass shootings and have decided humans are more important than guns
 
2012-12-25 01:17:40 PM  
As I always say in Ron Paul threads, Ron Paul occassionally arrives accidentally at the correct conclusion by starting with false premices and applying logical fallacies.
 
2012-12-25 01:18:15 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: It's as if people are tired of the endless mass shootings and have decided humans are more important than guns


but the gun lobby has been so good at compromising and being a reasonable partner in all the attempts to stop shootings over the past 20 years. i can't understand why the majority of americans are fed up with gun violence and no longer care what the NRA suggests.
 
2012-12-25 01:18:28 PM  
Brother in law just parroted the NRA talking point about mass shootings happening in areas where people aren't allowed to carry.
My response of "You mean like Fort Hood?" went unnoticed.
Sigh.
 
2012-12-25 01:19:56 PM  

randomjsa: Since we're not going to repeal the 2nd Amendment no matter how much certain people want to, and since the assault weapons ban is moronic and does nothing beyond make certain "scary" looking guns that operate precisely the same some "non-scary" guns harder to obtain, and since even if "assault weapons" were banned it would not stop school shootings, and since putting armed guards at schools is a "bad" idea... except for course for elite private schools for rich kids...

Let's just do nothing... Again.


And that's the way the right wing wants it. Any gun regulations are out of the question and they have no idea how to pay to put a cop in every school
 
2012-12-25 01:20:46 PM  

SilentStrider: Brother in law just parroted the NRA talking point about mass shootings happening in areas where people aren't allowed to carry.
My response of "You mean like Fort Hood?" went unnoticed.
Sigh.


Sorry man.  As of yet I'm not aware of one substance or stimulus that will actually force thought.  Otherwise fox would be dead by now.
 
2012-12-25 01:21:12 PM  
Yeah. he's a hero when you agree with him. And a kook when you disagree.
 
2012-12-25 01:21:51 PM  

SilentStrider: My response of "You mean like Fort Hood?" went unnoticed.


Probably because nobody is allowed to carry weapons on-base, except for MPs, and personal weapons are required to be locked in the armory.

You responded to a parroted, poorly-informed talking point with one of your own parroted, poorly-informed talking points. It's almost like you're related or something....
 
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