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(Telegraph)   With the Red Menace over, The Doctor is sad because he has to star in his own show again. Will Intergalactic Lesbians, a redesigned TARDIS, and his new companion's lovely Dalek Bumps be enough to cheer him up in Doctor Who: "The Snowmen"?   (telegraph.co.uk) divider line 310
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2012-12-27 04:08:42 AM

Dwight_Yeast: I feel like I should point out that the works of Douglas Noel Adams basically act as a parallel gloss to Doctor Who, as he covers a lot of its faults in his books.

If DNA had been the show-runner for the last 40 years, everything would have been perfect.

On the other hand, he would have only been able to produce about four serials in that time.


As a huge Adams fan, I must disagree with you only this point. The show would have gone in an irreversibly silly direction.
 
2012-12-27 05:09:40 AM
I loved that the big bad guy was a giant alien snow-globe.
 
2012-12-27 05:40:06 AM

Max Awesome: I loved that the big bad guy was a giant alien snow-globe.


As opposed to the usual pepper pots on wheels and guys in silver flight suits?
 
2012-12-27 09:27:27 AM

Cheesehead_Dave: [nyobetabeat.files.wordpress.com image 500x313]



I think the "Winter is Coming" references are sort of an in joke since the actress playing Clara is dating the actor who plays Robb Stark in Game of Thrones.
 
2012-12-27 11:12:25 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Max Awesome: I loved that the big bad guy was a giant alien snow-globe.

As opposed to the usual pepper pots on wheels and guys in silver flight suits?


Hey, now. They recently upgraded the Cybermen to low-rent Iron Man costumes.

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2012-12-27 11:51:41 AM
As for the UNIT dating, yes, the plan had been for the stories to take place 5-10 years into the future, but the writers often forgot or were not told, so it was not at all consistently followed-through and many stories were written to be in the then-present, and even most of the stories that were written to be in the 5-10 years ahead period did not make a point of actually identifying that fact.

By the later portion of the Fourth Doctor's run, Turner and the writers were retconning out the failed 5-10-years-into-the-future thing, and Sarah Jane & the Brigadier were the prime tools for doing so. "A Girl's Best Friend" (the pilot for K-9 & Company was specifically set in 1981 and took place well after the end of SJS' companionship. The Fifth Doctor serial, Mawdryn Undead , took place in both the spring of 1977 (leading up to the Silver Jubiliee) and in 1983; Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart and the unseen WO Benton were both retired in 1976, the former teaching maths at a boarding school and the latter a used car salesman. The Sarah Jane Smith Adventures had three two-parters set in her youth, and all were consistent with a "then-present" time-frame for the UNIT stories (infant in 1951, a little girl in the 50s, & 13 years old in 1964). The tongue-in-cheek way that both TSJA and DW addressed the UNIT dating controversy put the emphasis on the 1970s. Also, the BBC's own episode details pages all place the UNIT stories near the time of their airing.
 
2012-12-27 08:39:11 PM

dramatools: Seriously. Unless some of the BritFarkers want to drop some spoilers, we still don't know if Oswin and Clara have any sort of relationship (and spare me the inevitable suggestion of Jenna-Louise Coleman making out with herself since Oswin was bi-curious). For all we know, there may be something. Conversely, Moffat could just be f--king with us, and dropped the lovely Ms. Coleman in "Asylum of the Daleks" as a red herring.  Meanwhile, here she is doing her best impression of Myleene Klass:


how would we even know that? Did she flirt with Amelia pond while I wasn't looking?
 
2012-12-27 09:15:14 PM
simrobert2001: [...]  how would we even know that? Did she flirt with Amelia pond while I wasn't looking?

She suggests it as Oswin in "Asylum of the Daleks."
[...]Oswin also implied that she was bisexual, admitting to Rory that she'd once fancied a girl called Nina, although she added that she'd been going through a phase. [...]

Disclaimer here: Wiki articles may be unreliable, especially when written about a Doctor Who character who probably won't be fully fleshed out for a couple of months.
 
2012-12-27 09:46:55 PM

ActionJoe: Dwight_Yeast: Lord Binky: I also liked the face in the credits and the new TARDIS interior. Makes me curious if Moff's making some old school touches to prepare newer viewers for older Doctors.

The new interior (aside from being awesome) has a really important feature: the spinning discs above the console are covered in round forms which have previously been identified as Gallifreian glyphs, which helps bring the interior back into line with Galifrey technology.

The Tardis since 2005 has always had the round forms. They were usually just hidden or blended into the background. Even during this episode I didn't really see any prominent Gallifreyan parts of the Tardis. The new Tardis looks a lot closer to the copied Tardis the Doctor found in "The Lodger" which seems to be implied that the Silence came up with it. Makes for an interesting foreshawdow.


Actually, The one in "the lodger" was actually a ship belonging to the silence. In all likelihood, the doctor has been tinkering with his own TARDIS during his isolation.
 
2012-12-28 07:45:43 PM

HopScotchNSoda: My point is that there are multiple things going on that are never referenced. Stuff in the past (his past or the world's past) is mentioned, or the allusions to what a character or creature or force will do in the future because the Doctor already experienced that (i.e., the stuff about the Great Intelligence and the London Underground). But there is rarely any note taken to the events that are simultaneously occurring or recently occurred (in terms of the world's chronology) that we, the audience know about because an earlier story dealt with it.



Well ... faced with all that, I can only conclude that this is a show that doesn't depend on absolute continuity among hundreds of details in order to be enjoyable.

I'd argue that, on the other hand, it wouldn't be that much fun to watch if every episode required an encyclopedic knowledge of 50 years of Who in order to make any sense. If that were the case I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one giving up watching.

The occasional nod to the old stuff is fun, and since it's insignificant enough to overlook if you want, it's probably the most enjoyable way to reference what's come before.
 
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