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(Telegraph)   With the Red Menace over, The Doctor is sad because he has to star in his own show again. Will Intergalactic Lesbians, a redesigned TARDIS, and his new companion's lovely Dalek Bumps be enough to cheer him up in Doctor Who: "The Snowmen"?   (telegraph.co.uk ) divider line
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2012-12-26 12:00:13 AM  

Pawn takes the King: Amazingly awesome episode. Seriously thought the Intelligence's voice was Professor X, not Magneto.


according to the credits it was Magneto.
 
2012-12-26 12:12:02 AM  
Ah, so that's how they're renewing the credits face still. Awesome version. And it's obvious that... *spoilers*

the Ice Warriors are the subject of the winter hint. Unless it's Abomindable Snowmen.
 
2012-12-26 12:33:59 AM  

Wasn't Looking at his Neck: Ah, so that's how they're renewing the credits face still. Awesome version. And it's obvious that... *spoilers*
the Ice Warriors are the subject of the winter hint. Unless it's Abomindable Snowmen.


For whom do you think the abominable snowmen / Yetis worked? The Great Intelligence. See The Abominable Snowmen, The Web of Fear, and Downtime. At some point between 1892 and 1935, the Great Intelligence developed the chrome sphere things to control its creatures.
 
2012-12-26 12:48:47 AM  

dramatools: HopScotchNSoda: Unless you count 2003's "Scream of the Shalka", starring Richard E. Grant [...]

Good catch. Obviously Grant's appearance in this episode wasn't lost on you. There's also a suggestion of the Shalka Doctor when Eleven pours himself a shot of whiskey (though we don't actually see him imbibe).



Not to mention that Clara and Allison are the only companions who were barmaids (although Ace was a waitress).
 
2012-12-26 12:53:17 AM  

Mad_Radhu: In-story it works well too, because the old control room would remind him of the Ponds. Perfect excuse for changing the desktop theme.


Then again, the TARDIS is female. While the Doctor became dour and surly after losing the Ponds, she may have tried to forget by giving herself a makeover. I like the new, cozier console room. And, perchance, if the Doctor gets nostalgic, he still have all the previous ones stashed away.

Now for a companion connection not yet made... Clara will likely be the sexiest companion since Peri. In her barmaid garb, Jenna-Louise Coleman asserted she had the best breasts on the show since Nicola Bryant.
 
2012-12-26 12:55:45 AM  

dramatools: Rwa2play: The opening credits (including an image of Matt): Cool actually; the music's still meh though.
That's another revived element of the original series. Matt Smith is the first Doctor to appear in the main titles since McCoy. It was a signature element, except during the Colin Baker era when Six looked entirely too smarmy.

I'm not going to go into the Clara/Oswin thing, except that Moffat is going to have a lot of fun with us over Season 7's back nine. Ok, maybe one part. It is unusual that the Doctor is now chasing the girl.


That's a first for the new Doctor Who, but so was "It's smaller on the outside." Now how the hell did nobody ever have somebody say that before?
 
2012-12-26 01:16:24 AM  

47 is the new 42: dramatools: Rwa2play: The opening credits (including an image of Matt): Cool actually; the music's still meh though.
That's another revived element of the original series. Matt Smith is the first Doctor to appear in the main titles since McCoy. It was a signature element, except during the Colin Baker era when Six looked entirely too smarmy.

I'm not going to go into the Clara/Oswin thing, except that Moffat is going to have a lot of fun with us over Season 7's back nine. Ok, maybe one part. It is unusual that the Doctor is now chasing the girl.

That's a first for the new Doctor Who, but so was "It's smaller on the outside." Now how the hell did nobody ever have somebody say that before?


Because we're used to thinking of it as a telephone box with a big inside, instead of a spaceship with a small outside.
 
2012-12-26 01:18:37 AM  
Wow! The Great Intelligence. One of the last of the classic who villains that has never re-appeared, until now. I always thought Lincoln and Haisman would never allow its re-use -- they had a falling out with the DW producers and refused to come back and write a third, concluding Great Intelligence story (which also would have seen the departure of Jamie). I know Haisman died in 2010, but Lincoln's still alive.

I wonder if they'll keep Ian McKellan for its voice in the (certain) future episodes.
 
2012-12-26 01:30:01 AM  

Mad_Radhu: Pawn takes the King: Amazingly awesome episode. Seriously thought the Intelligence's voice was Professor X, not Magneto.

You're thinking of the wrong wizard. Saruman, not Gandalf.


Never mind, I'm an idiot. In my defense,the voice sounded very Christopher Lee.
 
2012-12-26 01:42:27 AM  

Metaluna Mutant: Wow! The Great Intelligence. One of the last of the classic who villains that has never re-appeared, until now. I always thought Lincoln and Haisman would never allow its re-use -- they had a falling out with the DW producers and refused to come back and write a third, concluding Great Intelligence story (which also would have seen the departure of Jamie). I know Haisman died in 2010, but Lincoln's still alive.

I wonder if they'll keep Ian McKellan for its voice in the (certain) future episodes.


Reading the Doctor Who wikis, it seems that at some point the Great Intelligence was established as being Yog-Sothoth. Did this happen in the Troughton stories, or was this in other, more dubiously canon stories? If it was the former, a Great Old God type entity would be a good antagonist for the 50th anniversary.
 
2012-12-26 01:44:29 AM  

NeoCortex42: Mad_Radhu: We all thought that Clara was going to be replacing Amy, but it looks like she's really the new Rory.

I'm okay with this.


Me too. Amy is was ok eye candy but Rory was actually an interesting character. Other than Jack Harkness, there haven't been many non-Doctor males in the modern series that weren't total boobs.
 
2012-12-26 01:44:34 AM  
Poor Clara. She's the test page for the galactic printer. Every time something goes wrong and they have to reboot there's another Clara.

It makes you wonder if she's related to Rory somehow.
 
2012-12-26 01:58:41 AM  
Well, I liked it, for the most part.  It took a while to grow on me - but I always feel a little 'not the intended audience' at the Christmas specials... Being Australian, it's a bit hard to get sucked into the snow-jingle-bells-cold-dark-night-out-warm-roaring-fire-inside aspect of Christmas stories when it's 35degC out with 90% humidity!

I like the call-backs - the face in the titles, the return (or clarification anyway) of the bass line in the theme, the G.I., the umbrella, and Clara is giving me some strong Ace vibes... not only her disjointed past/future but also in the preview of the coming season there's clearly a shot that mimics the Doctor and Ace leaning out of the TARDIS (my googlefu has failed me, I was going to include the shot here).  The Seventh Doctor was my doctor though, so if any of the references actually are for the McCoy era, I'm going to like their appearance without question.

The comedic moments with Strax were cool, and clearly Moffat listened to the fans who where calling for the lovely Lady Vastra and Janny to make a return - by the looks of things they will be around at least one more time in the back half of the season.

Clearly we're building up to something big for the the 50th Anniversary.  Hopefully the show won't swallow it's own tail with all the back references and history and twists and turns - in anyone else's hands (*cough*RTD*cough*) I'd probably be worried, but if anyone can cope with this, it's Moffat, so I'm willing to sit back and enjoy the ride.

/Also: Yay, for Grant's on-screen performance in the show at last; and Ian McKellen is in there too!
//Zombie Richard E Grant was unintentionally funny though?
///Russell T Davies, bless his socks for bringing the show back and making it what it is... but he would so make a habit of writing himself into corners all the time and deus ex machina-ing his way out...
 
2012-12-26 02:05:00 AM  
With the return of the Great Intelligence, I wonder if this foretells of the return of the Great Old Ones. The last time they showed up (Fenric/Hastur and The Gods of Ragnarok), the series was also heavily making questions about who the Doctor really is.

Wild Implausible Theory time: Clara is a renegade Great Old One who divided herself into multiple eras. This is why she was able to (temporarily) defeat the Great Intelligence. She was also the first one to ask "Doctor Who?" in the history of the universe because she first came into this reality when the universe was born (on the fields of Trenzalore?), and the Doctor traveled back to that point maybe in the 50th Anniversary episode, introducing himself to her, thus making "Doctor Who?" the oldest question in the universe, but it must never be answered, because his true name may somehow be the key to cause Clara to unlock her true eldritch power, causing Silence to Fall.

Of course, that theory is probably complete and utter bullshiat
 
2012-12-26 02:42:34 AM  
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2012-12-26 02:45:26 AM  
"I suggest a full frontal assault with automated laser monkeys, scalpel mines...and acid!"

Laser monkey. That anything like a dynamite monkey?

So did they show the preview of series 7b in the US?


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2012-12-26 02:46:17 AM  
Hmm, my theory may be even more bullshiat, because the idea of the Great Old ones came from the books rather than the tv show. Well, guess that'll happen when using the Tardis Index File wiki.
 
2012-12-26 02:46:46 AM  
@ HopScotch: Should've been obvious on my part I admit, that is if the specific Snowmen in this special evolve regenerate, but I initially had the submarine episode rumors in mind, that's why.

Still have doubts they're going to limit prior Doctors' involvement to one special, being the 50th. Especially with what's been talked about here concerning McCoy.
 
2012-12-26 03:10:32 AM  
I have to admit, I didn't much like tonight's episode. It felt rushed, and I just didn't feel any chemistry between the Doctor and Clara. Amy Pond wasn't the best companion ever, but at least they had chemistry. also, I miss Rory.
 
2012-12-26 03:17:22 AM  
But then again, there's also the comparisons made by some people of Clara Oswin Ozwald dying two times in a row to Kenny from South Park, who is the product of a ritual in honor of Cthulhu, who is also a Great Old One, and so...and then...

...

Did I really just try to link together the universes of Doctor Who, H.P. Lovecraft and farking South Park together? Goddammit, I'm thinking up too much bullshiat tonight. I really need to get to farking sleep.
 
2012-12-26 03:55:47 AM  

ClintonKun: Hmm, my theory may be even more bullshiat, because the idea of the Great Old ones came from the books rather than the tv show. Well, guess that'll happen when using the Tardis Index File wiki.


Moffat readily uses material from non-TV stories and incorporates them into canon. In addition to taking Professor Arthur Candy and Luna University from Moffat's own 1996 short story, "Continuity Errors" -- as well as his own usenet pontification about "the Doctor" being the source of the word & its definition, not the other way around -- he gave us Kate Stewart from the direct-to-video movies, Downtime and Dæmos Rising, films with which he had no personal connection. Kate had never even been mentioned in the series, much less seen.
 
2012-12-26 04:38:37 AM  
Liz White seems to have run face first into the "age wall" - and hit it hard. In the five years since Life on Mars, she seems to have put on 15 years or more.

From this:
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to this:
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2012-12-26 04:39:21 AM  
I really liked it. There was much more too see and hear compared to last year's special. I love the Clara/Oswin twist and I think there will be an interesting story wrapped up in there. Could she be another fixed point in time? I don't think she understands who she actually is...and if she does...

What is her motive?

A couple things:

The doctor is fighting Simeon then the GI turns into water. Did the Doctor throw him off and then it turned to water or did the doctor throw him off after the GI turned to water? Did the Doctor throw him off because Simeon's body just simply died? That scene was really rushed and I don't quite get it. The GI saw the emotion in Oswin so it turned to water but what was the point of Simeon and Doctor fight? Just a sloppy scene that I think could have been better.

Anyway. Loved it. Can't wait to see more.
 
2012-12-26 05:02:39 AM  

HopScotchNSoda: Liz White seems to have run face first into the "age wall" - and hit it hard. In the five years since Life on Mars, she seems to have put on 15 years or more.

From this:


to this:


...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
 
2012-12-26 05:44:36 AM  

47 is the new 42: That's a first for the new Doctor Who, but so was "It's smaller on the outside." Now how the hell did nobody ever have somebody say that before?


Because no one before Moffat was clever enough to think of it. One of the roots of comedy is "inversion", turning something on its head. Douglas Adams was very good at this (in fact, he'd often turn something on its head and then turn is sidewise), and Moffat is, too. At its most basic, it's just a matter of inverting something we've all heard a thousand times before (ie, "a sheep in wolf's clothing.")

Along similar lines, I realized earlier today that I'd love for someone on the show for once to look at the TARDIS and say, "It's a Police Box. Well, to be precise, it's something that looks like a police box but isn't" and then run down all the things that are "wrong" with it compared to the real thing (putting a lampshade on the fact that the prop on the show has never been an exact copy). It's the sort of thing that could be done in an episode set in the 40s or 50s in London, when they were still a common sight.

Mad_Radhu: Reading the Doctor Who wikis, it seems that at some point the Great Intelligence was established as being Yog-Sothoth.


That could actually happen, as Lovescraft's work has (blessedly) passed into the Public Domain. Also, Moffat is clearly a fan. We'll never get an ancient evil lurking at the center of our planet, though, as it's already been established it's inhabited by lizard people.
 
2012-12-26 07:06:42 AM  

adammpower: Pawn takes the King: Amazingly awesome episode. Seriously thought the Intelligence's voice was Professor X, not Magneto.

according to the credits it was Magneto.




With the "Winter is coming" line, I half-thought it was Sean Bean.
 
2012-12-26 07:17:39 AM  

RevMercutio: I demand more Vastra, Jenny, and Strax.


They really need a spin-off. Like a Victorian Sherlock Holmes/Torchwood with lizard lesbians and potato dwarves.
 
2012-12-26 07:22:53 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: "It's a Police Box. Well, to be precise, it's something that looks like a police box but isn't" and then run down all the things that are "wrong" with it compared to the real thing (putting a lampshade on the fact that the prop on the show has never been an exact copy).


I could have sworn this happened before. Regardless, we did once get John Cleese providing art critique on the TARDIS, which is still the greatest interaction with the TARDIS ever.
 
2012-12-26 07:33:33 AM  

HopScotchNSoda: Liz White seems to have run face first into the "age wall" - and hit it hard. In the five years since Life on Mars, she seems to have put on 15 years or more.


I'm hoping they just ran her through some ugh-ifying filter, like they did with Eve Myles.

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2012-12-26 07:50:24 AM  

t3knomanser: I could have sworn this happened before. Regardless, we did once get John Cleese providing art critique on the TARDIS, which is still the greatest interaction with the TARDIS ever.


It may have happened, as A) I haven't seen all the series and B) things that I have seen/heard pop out of my memory at random.
 
2012-12-26 07:53:37 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: as Lovescraft's work has (blessedly) passed into the Public Domain


Now that's actually interesting. Because much of it, especially his later works, may or may not be in the Public Domain in the US. But they definitely are in England. Depending on what elements are used, and how they're approached, it's actually possible for there to be a Doctor Who episode that can air in England but never in the US.

I doubt it would happen (at most, they'd draw parallels to Lovecraft and make a crack about him knowing more about the world than was healthy), but it could.

Similarly, if Doctor Who ever used Frank Sinatra songs as a music cue, there's a huge swath of his catalog that are Public Domain in the UK, but not the US.

Also, it wasn't Clara's crying that defeated the Great Intelligence. It was "a family, crying on Christmas eve". The theme of the episode was the conflict between Victorian values and human values. It was poorly executed, but the actual character arc of the story was Captain Latimer- he's cold, distant, and uncomfortable with children and women. He's the ideal Victorian gentleman, much like Doctor Simeon. The climax of the episode is Latimer and his children crying as Clara dies.

That's where the editing and the direction of the episode failed. The entire plot revolves around that one emotional moment, but it's practically a blink-and-you'll-miss-it flash. And yes, it's a little annoying that the Doctor didn't actually do anything except ensure that all the characters who actually added value to the plot were in the right places at the right time.

Also, the Doctor just wants Clara around because finally he'll have a companion that can get offed every episode without any real consequences.
 
2012-12-26 08:06:11 AM  

t3knomanser:

Similarly, if Doctor Who ever used Frank Sinatra songs as a music cue, there's a huge swath of his catalog that are Public Domain in the UK, but not the US.



Doesn't matter to the BBC. They have a one-off flat fee for all music use in all their shows. So a show can use whatever it wants for, effectively, free (since it's already been paid for).

That's why Top Gear has tons of rock music that has to be replaced with generic background music for repeats on Dave and overseas. Same reason Life On Mars had all of its 70s songs replaced.
 
2012-12-26 08:15:07 AM  

Flint Ironstag: Same reason Life On Mars had all of its 70s songs replaced.


Oh, thank god I watched the BBC version of that. That'd be awful.
 
2012-12-26 08:46:48 AM  
I can't be the only one who loved the imagery of the TARDIS on top of a cloud with a spiral staircase leading up to it. That is probably the purest depiction of the "fairy tale" theme that Moffat has been going for.
 
2012-12-26 08:49:15 AM  

Metaluna Mutant: Wow! The Great Intelligence. One of the last of the classic who villains that has never re-appeared, until now. I always thought Lincoln and Haisman would never allow its re-use -- they had a falling out with the DW producers and refused to come back and write a third, concluding Great Intelligence story (which also would have seen the departure of Jamie). I know Haisman died in 2010, but Lincoln's still alive.

I wonder if they'll keep Ian McKellan for its voice in the (certain) future episodes.


They were very careful to dress this 'great intelligence' differently from its previous incarnations, but I
love it when they do call backs to old villains without actually re-using them (like in WATERS OF MARS
when Tennent's Doctor refers to The Ice Warriors).  The call back is doubly nice for me because Matt
Smith has gone on record as saying he's been drawing on Troughton's performance as the Doctor for
inspiration for his own, and when you know that it really adds to his portrayal.

About the only thing that annoyed me about THE SNOWMEN is the excessive use of the "Doctor who?"
line, but given that Moffat's made that a central point of the show there's little to be done with it at this
point.  I think its way too meta, but overall I like his take on things.  I just hope Clara doesn't become yet
another Mary Sue a la Rose Tyler.
 
2012-12-26 09:02:46 AM  

t3knomanser: The theme of the episode was the conflict between Victorian values and human values. It was poorly executed, but the actual character arc of the story was Captain Latimer- he's cold, distant, and uncomfortable with children and women. He's the ideal Victorian gentleman, much like Doctor Simeon. The climax of the episode is Latimer and his children crying as Clara dies.


Yeah, I thought the ending was a bit slap-dash and fell apart as soon as you thought about it.

But the notion of VIctorian values was beautifully handled. (I'm betting Moffat is working on something set in that era) Unless you're obsessed by Victorian culture, there was a moment you would have missed: when all hell breaks loose on the stairs, and the father is confronted by various pieces of information (including that an ancient lizard person is standing in his hallways) the piece that bothers him is that the nanny not only has a male friend, but that they've been upstairs alone. In his brain, the lizard woman is perfectly respectable because she's married (it doesn't matter to whom) but the notion of a female servant being alone with a man is complete unacceptable.

(Also it's a great moment of comedy where a character has to process a huge amount of important information all at once at he latches on to the least important piece to focus on)
 
2012-12-26 09:16:30 AM  
Also, the episode did a great a great job of capturing Moffat's conception of the Doctor: he's so intelligent, so far ahead of the situation that he actually comes off as stupid, as trailing behind. The scene with Clara on the roof is perfect: he knows how they're getting out of there, and he knows that she knows, but he's so far ahead of the game that it appears he doesn't know what he's doing at all. It's like Einstein times a thousand.
 
2012-12-26 09:19:52 AM  
See, I picked up on that as being more related to the fact that earlier in the episode we had him make a fruedian slip and say he didn't expect someone so pretty to be so good with children... I mean so young! He clearly had feelings for Clara, so when all the weirdness hit the fan, what he latched onto was that the girl he liked had a "gentleman friend".
 
2012-12-26 09:21:23 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: but he's so far ahead of the game that it appears he doesn't know what he's doing at all. It's like Einstein times a thousand.


Which, I think, is a big part of the reason people complain that things happen around the Doctor and he isn't actually important to the plot. Eleven is much more focused on putting the right people in the right places at the right times than he is on doing everything by himself.
 
2012-12-26 09:37:59 AM  
Sorry, I'm watching the episode again while I'm eating breakfast, hence all the posts.

The line: "He is not your salvation nor your protector" is Moffat undoing all of RTD's work in a single stroke. I get the feeling we're getting a VERY different series from here on out!
 
2012-12-26 09:52:43 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: The line: "He is not your salvation nor your protector" is Moffat undoing all of RTD's work in a single stroke.


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2012-12-26 09:52:45 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: That could actually happen, as Lovescraft's work has (blessedly) passed into the Public Domain. Also, Moffat is clearly a fan. We'll never get an ancient evil lurking at the center of our planet, though, as it's already been established it's inhabited by lizard people.


They've also pretty much done that plot back in The Impossible Planet / The Satan Pit. Granted, it was on another planet.
 
2012-12-26 10:00:28 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Sorry, I'm watching the episode again while I'm eating breakfast, hence all the posts.

The line: "He is not your salvation nor your protector" is Moffat undoing all of RTD's work in a single stroke. I get the feeling we're getting a VERY different series from here on out!


Except Clara responded that Vastra was merely saying 'words' i.e. lies.

I really like the new companion, and don't mind that she has some sort of cosmic mystery behind her - I think it's smart to give the companions intergalactic importance.

I'm at work and really want to watch the episode again. Can't d/l expatshield or anything here. Any tips?
 
2012-12-26 10:08:24 AM  

dramatools: Rwa2play: The opening credits (including an image of Matt): Cool actually; the music's still meh though.
That's another revived element of the original series. Matt Smith is the first Doctor to appear in the main titles since McCoy. It was a signature element, except during the Colin Baker era when Six looked entirely too smarmy.


Very cool touch by the graphics people including Smith's image in the opening credits; paying homage to the original series (and considering what next year is, very apropo). And yeah, Six's image was too...smarmy.

I'm not going to go into the Clara/Oswin thing, except that Moffat is going to have a lot of fun with us over Season 7's back nine. Ok, maybe one part. It is unusual that the Doctor is now chasing the girl.

Yeah, this is going to be a very fun half-season in the Doctor chasing COO (instead of the other way around); for me it's going to be not so much who is she but what is she? Is she an anomaly in time? Someone trapped in time? Someone that's being forced to relive her life through time (ala Batman post-"Final Crisis")?

Should make for an interesting run leading up to the 50th Anniversary season.
 
2012-12-26 10:10:29 AM  

HopScotchNSoda: dramatools: Rwa2play: The opening credits (including an image of Matt): Cool actually; the music's still meh though.
That's another revived element of the original series. Matt Smith is the first Doctor to appear in the main titles since McCoy.

Unless you count 2003's "Scream of the Shalka", starring Richard E. Grant as the original Ninth Doctor. His cartoon face was shown in the opening sequence, even though the practice had not been used for McCoy or McGann in 1996.
"Scream of the Shalka" had been produced by the Beeb as canon, but was then de-canonised by Davies who - understandably - didn't want an animated Doctor included in the mix with the live-action actors.


RTD could've easily said that "Scream of the Shalka" and any other stories done before 2005 were retconned(?). IOW some of the stories still exist as canon, but others were either altered or completely erased due to the Time War.
 
2012-12-26 10:11:29 AM  
Seems like a good place to put this.
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2012-12-26 10:12:02 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Lord Binky: I also liked the face in the credits and the new TARDIS interior. Makes me curious if Moff's making some old school touches to prepare newer viewers for older Doctors.

The new interior (aside from being awesome) has a really important feature: the spinning discs above the console are covered in round forms which have previously been identified as Gallifreian glyphs, which helps bring the interior back into line with Galifrey technology.


Hmmm...possible spoiler there?
 
2012-12-26 10:15:46 AM  

ClintonKun: With the return of the Great Intelligence, I wonder if this foretells of the return of the Great Old Ones. The last time they showed up (Fenric/Hastur and The Gods of Ragnarok), the series was also heavily making questions about who the Doctor really is.

Wild Implausible Theory time: Clara is a renegade Great Old One who divided herself into multiple eras. This is why she was able to (temporarily) defeat the Great Intelligence. She was also the first one to ask "Doctor Who?" in the history of the universe because she first came into this reality when the universe was born (on the fields of Trenzalore?), and the Doctor traveled back to that point maybe in the 50th Anniversary episode, introducing himself to her, thus making "Doctor Who?" the oldest question in the universe, but it must never be answered, because his true name may somehow be the key to cause Clara to unlock her true eldritch power, causing Silence to Fall.

Of course, that theory is probably complete and utter bullshiat


*wags finger* Newsletter, subscription, et. al.
 
2012-12-26 10:16:55 AM  

Rwa2play: IOW some of the stories still exist as canon, but others were either altered or completely erased due to the Time War.


The rule for Doctor Who is that everything is canon until it isn't, and even then it still is if you need it to be. It's a universe where time travel exists and without Time Lords to supervise its use- it's a universe where pasts can be rewritten and revisited.
 
2012-12-26 10:19:24 AM  

IronJelly: Seems like a good place to put this.
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I lol'ed. Never saw the crossover but pleeeeeeeeeease tell me a line like that was uttered in the story!
 
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