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2012-12-25 01:26:49 PM

Pav: david_gaithersburg: Pav: Public records are public! Oh the horror!

.
The government has your, address, DOB, SocSec number, and Checking account information. Public information, correct?

Incorrect! Can you go and request my SS never using the freedom of information act? How about my checking account info? No! So that means your stupid.


^^^^^
The stupid in this one is strong.
 
2012-12-25 01:26:53 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Amos Quito: [i1121.photobucket.com image 606x452]

NY Murder Map - 2010

[i1121.photobucket.com image 850x596]

New York legal gun map, 2012

Anyone notice any correlation here?

Any?

you're telling me only one person owns a legal gun in Brooklyn?



No, that is what the MAP compiled by the author of the article is telling you.

Frankly, I find it hard to believe.

I mean, do all of those rich Wall Street tycoons, etc. run around with unarmed body guards?

/Bloomberg gets police protection, so he's ok
 
2012-12-25 01:27:26 PM

IamKaiserSoze!!!: God, but zealots do some thoroughly brain dead stuff. I mean, that's Westboro Baptist crazy.

I hope those assholes lose every gun owners subscription, as well as those who don't own guns but still have common sense. Advertisers should be dropping them right and left too.

Fire the editor and whatever writers were involved with this.


I'll go further than that... I say that the paper should be seized, it's license to do business pulled, and the entire enterprise disbanded. This is civic irresponsibility. The Editor and whoever runs the paper should be jailed under the same laws that ban yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.

This is just plain westboro baptist church crazy and irresponsible.

The proceeds of the sale of the newspaper and its entire holding should go to the people whose names were published.

This is flat outright invasion of privacy. I understand that need to publish stories of interest, but these people are not public figures, and as such they have a reasonable expectation of privacy and that others will not publish their names for perfectly law abiding behavior.

Oh and gun control advocates... you just lost me right there. You've just shown that your cause is run by crazies that'll do any irresponsible thing that they can to get what they want. That sort of fanaticism need to be curb stomped.
 
2012-12-25 01:29:21 PM
Yay! Now I know which houses to burglarize while their owners are away! Free guns to hit the black market!
 
2012-12-25 01:30:08 PM

HotWingConspiracy: david_gaithersburg: wambu: "We are decent, caring people who have an overwhelming hatred of guns. By publishing this information, we put your family at risk of having your home burglarized, maybe your spouse gets killed, maybe your children are raped . . . well dumbass, you should not keep guns in your house! Will your guns protect you now? Tough shiat for you, Mr. Gun-lover. If only you had thought of the children!" -- The No Guns For A Better America Coalition of Non-Violence and Happiness

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The full blown batshiat crazy fear from the wannabe fascist progressives proves that the the second amendment works.

Cling to that gun, boyo.


I'll cling to my guns, my right to privacy, my right to a lawyer, my right to being presumed innocent until proven guilty, my right to avoid illegal search and seizure, freedom of the press, freedom to peaceably assemble, freedom to vote, etc. etc.
 
2012-12-25 01:30:26 PM

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: What, don't all you tough-guy six-shootin' cowboys want everyone to know how big and bad you are with your big bad guns? Pussies. Learn to fist-fight, like a real man.


You are a moron and you need to shut your farkin mouth when grown folks are talking.
 
2012-12-25 01:31:04 PM

Wolf_Blitzer: doglover: Generation_D: I could see this backfiring.

Case an address, doublecheck the list. Not on the gun owners' registry? Easy pickins for a home invasion. They won't shoot back.

Or, I can pick an address that *is* listed, wait until no one is home, and then walk out with some firearms that will sell very nicely on the black market.

The vast majority of burglars operate when the home is vacant, something your vaunted guns will do nothing to protect against.


Homeowners insurance protects me when burglars strike and I'm not home. My gun protects me when they strike and I am home. Dumbass.
 
2012-12-25 01:31:18 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Do you remember sentence diagrams?


Yeah, stick with "just bein' a dick". You wear it well.
 
2012-12-25 01:31:53 PM

Kit Fister: HotWingConspiracy: david_gaithersburg: wambu: "We are decent, caring people who have an overwhelming hatred of guns. By publishing this information, we put your family at risk of having your home burglarized, maybe your spouse gets killed, maybe your children are raped . . . well dumbass, you should not keep guns in your house! Will your guns protect you now? Tough shiat for you, Mr. Gun-lover. If only you had thought of the children!" -- The No Guns For A Better America Coalition of Non-Violence and Happiness

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The full blown batshiat crazy fear from the wannabe fascist progressives proves that the the second amendment works.

Cling to that gun, boyo.

I'll cling to my guns, my right to privacy, my right to a lawyer, my right to being presumed innocent until proven guilty, my right to avoid illegal search and seizure, freedom of the press, freedom to peaceably assemble, freedom to vote, etc. etc.


OMG LIBERTIES

You people are farking unhinged, and make your own case for being defanged.
 
2012-12-25 01:32:01 PM

ParaHandy: computerguyUT: tylerdurden217: What's next? Registering knives? Then they will make us register baseball bats. Then maybe our Laser Tag blasters. The next thing you know Hitler/Stalin/Pol Pot is marching down Main Street.

Wake up people. Second Amendment!

/derp

England has done exactly that. It's illegal for a person under 18 to own a knife longer than 3 1/4" and all knives longer have to be registered. They have also recently banned cricket bats in public.
England, as well as Canada also doesn't have this one document that we treasure so greatly called a constitution. The only civil rights they have are the ones the government deems they are worthy of. But they're groomed from birth to accept that the government is there to spoonfeed you everything you need, so they just accept it.
England has 1/5 the the population of the US and their Violent crime is 4x ours. Yeah, the anti gunners spout the gun stats, but completely leave out that little tidbit.

England has 1/6 the population of the USA ... did you perhaps mean the UK?

There are bills of rights written into many UK laws and feudal agreements that go back hundreds of years before the USA was founded.

England has LESS violence ... the apparent rise is due to the fact the UK's reporting is now far more comprehensive and the bar for what is considered a countable violent crime is far lower than most countries, notably no-one needs to be charged or convicted for an incident in the UK to be recorded as a violent crime. It says right on the Wikipedia page that the data is neither standardized nor comparable across countries.

Why don't you do a little background research on these kinds of anomalies before presenting the NRAs counter-factual view, and you'll find out the real reason.

And please learn the difference between the UK, Great Britain and England before you go spouting off. It's not complicated.


Why don't you go back to the UK?
 
2012-12-25 01:32:28 PM
thomasajohnston.files.wordpress.com
OMG! This thing's got my name, address and home phone number!! I feel violated.
 
2012-12-25 01:33:16 PM
Kit Fister

I agree with everything you posted - and, had I not been up all night assembling presents, might have been able to put together something similarly coherent. Instead, though, I'll just stick with a:

THIS
 
2012-12-25 01:33:36 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Kit Fister: HotWingConspiracy: david_gaithersburg: wambu: "We are decent, caring people who have an overwhelming hatred of guns. By publishing this information, we put your family at risk of having your home burglarized, maybe your spouse gets killed, maybe your children are raped . . . well dumbass, you should not keep guns in your house! Will your guns protect you now? Tough shiat for you, Mr. Gun-lover. If only you had thought of the children!" -- The No Guns For A Better America Coalition of Non-Violence and Happiness

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The full blown batshiat crazy fear from the wannabe fascist progressives proves that the the second amendment works.

Cling to that gun, boyo.

I'll cling to my guns, my right to privacy, my right to a lawyer, my right to being presumed innocent until proven guilty, my right to avoid illegal search and seizure, freedom of the press, freedom to peaceably assemble, freedom to vote, etc. etc.

OMG LIBERTIES

You people are farking unhinged, and make your own case for being defanged.


Or, you know, we're completely sane and just disagree with your position, and like winding you up because it's funny to watch you piss your pannies...
 
2012-12-25 01:33:40 PM

GoldSpider: utharda: But enjoy your penis surrogate gun toting call of duty jack off fantasy.

I admit, that's bringing it pretty strong.


He gets that way sometimes. We're also both from that neck of the woods and we can tell you right now the guns have more to do with protecting yourself from funny colored people.

Oh and they are screamingly insecure. Lady qcross the street leaves hers sitting on the windowsill so she can see 'em coming!
 
2012-12-25 01:34:15 PM

ParaHandy: Giltric: Satanic_Hamster: ParaHandy: Satanic_Hamster: While I'm all for openness in government, why the hell are those public records?

Why the hell is the list of cars I own available?

I want a list of where all the young nubile children live as well as their school schedules. It's public records, after all.

In NJ they wanted to put ahighly visible sticker on cars with first time drivers in it.....the left complained because that would let pedophiles target cars with teens in it.....instead of following that highly visible long bright yellow thing that drops off and picks up kids to and from school.

What a ridiculous fear. Cars have windows.

In Northern Ireland new drivers under 21 have to display an "R" plate (restricted) whem driving alone, and use lower speed limits on major roads. I have never heard of this as an issue.

I am a big believer in advanced driver education schemes like the UK's Pass Plus ... in the long term, this would save thousands of lives a year too. US driving tests are far too easy.


Japan has a sticker for old folks and new drivers. This allows other drivers to be aware that the driver in your vicinity may be inexpirienced (or have a slower reaction time) so extra care may be needed around the drivers who's car bare these stickers.

We currently use a similar sticker identifier system to identify a-hole drivers here in the US:

www.vinyl-decals.com
 
2012-12-25 01:34:25 PM

TOWG: Homeowners insurance protects me when burglars strike and I'm not home. My gun protects me when they strike and I am home. Dumbass.


Maybe you should just never go home then. You would always be save and never have to worry about anything.
 
2012-12-25 01:34:34 PM

RobDownSouth: you gun fetishists


RobDownSouth: Your guns


Neither of these phrases apply to me. I know the second was directed at someone else, but...crossfire.
 
2012-12-25 01:35:46 PM

s2s2s2: Lenny_da_Hog: Do you remember sentence diagrams?

Yeah, stick with "just bein' a dick". You wear it well.


It's not my fault you're too stupid to understand a sentence more complex than you'd find in "Dick & Jane" books. The god was the subject of the sentence. Go ask your sixth-grade neighbor to explain it to you.
 
2012-12-25 01:36:09 PM

TheDirtyNacho: I know you jest, but Texas, which has recently attempted to prevent Planned Parenthood from getting any money (even the clinics that don't perform abortions), realized that the loss of family planning clinics would result is an extra $273 million a year in taxpayer costs due to unplanned birth care.


I got a kick out of that.
 
2012-12-25 01:38:32 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Kit Fister: HotWingConspiracy: david_gaithersburg: wambu: "We are decent, caring people who have an overwhelming hatred of guns. By publishing this information, we put your family at risk of having your home burglarized, maybe your spouse gets killed, maybe your children are raped . . . well dumbass, you should not keep guns in your house! Will your guns protect you now? Tough shiat for you, Mr. Gun-lover. If only you had thought of the children!" -- The No Guns For A Better America Coalition of Non-Violence and Happiness

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The full blown batshiat crazy fear from the wannabe fascist progressives proves that the the second amendment works.

Cling to that gun, boyo.

I'll cling to my guns, my right to privacy, my right to a lawyer, my right to being presumed innocent until proven guilty, my right to avoid illegal search and seizure, freedom of the press, freedom to peaceably assemble, freedom to vote, etc. etc.

OMG LIBERTIES

You people are farking unhinged, and make your own case for being defanged.


Yeah, our Bill of Rights is just crazy talk. (Sigh)
 
2012-12-25 01:39:19 PM

way south: This is the kind of thing that makes licensing and registration a bad idea.
The criminals won't attack law abiding gun owners, they'll rob these houses while the owners are out. This paper has willfully aided in the distribution of illegal weapons.
They should be sued for every incident that happens as a result.
The state should also voluntarily comply with federal rules for the FOPA, and destroy those lists immediately.


No, the absolute opposite should be true. If the gun owners are not home the guns should be in a secure safe, not in a bedroom dresser drawer. Any gun stolen in a theft that was not provably in a safe should result in criminal charges against the owners regardless of a red dot on a newspaper map (ie for those who are identified and those who are not)
 
2012-12-25 01:39:31 PM

Kit Fister: ParaHandy: Giltric: Satanic_Hamster: ParaHandy: Satanic_Hamster: While I'm all for openness in government, why the hell are those public records?

Why the hell is the list of cars I own available?

I want a list of where all the young nubile children live as well as their school schedules. It's public records, after all.

In NJ they wanted to put ahighly visible sticker on cars with first time drivers in it.....the left complained because that would let pedophiles target cars with teens in it.....instead of following that highly visible long bright yellow thing that drops off and picks up kids to and from school.

What a ridiculous fear. Cars have windows.

In Northern Ireland new drivers under 21 have to display an "R" plate (restricted) whem driving alone, and use lower speed limits on major roads. I have never heard of this as an issue.

I am a big believer in advanced driver education schemes like the UK's Pass Plus ... in the long term, this would save thousands of lives a year too. US driving tests are far too easy.

So, what you're saying is, you basically want the US to be more like the UK? Why not go live in the UK and let us alone?


Because I choose to live in the USA. If you consider immigration from more civilized places a threat, then lobby to close the border.

My goal it to take the best of Europe (healthcare, gun control, fairer elections, mutli-party compromise politics, UK road signage, ...) and the best of the USA (entrpreneurial spirit, block based street numbering, right turn on red) and cross-pollinate.
 
2012-12-25 01:39:39 PM

Kit Fister: Uisce Beatha: whatshisname: The point is there is no specific civil right that the government doesn't have some say in.

Some say in, perhaps, but you asked, " Do Americans have civil rights outside of those the government has granted?" The idea of government here is that the basic rights are ours, and when a government decides it can taken them away, it has to go.

The government can regulate, that is its job, but some things it cannot totally restrict. To keep it on topic, the government can require firearms registration, or background checks, etc, all of which I think are fine, but a total restriction is off the table, as the 2nd Amendment is currently interpreted. As other folks can relate better than I, the amendment was written with an eye towards protecting the rights of the people from an overzealous government.

The entire Bill of Rights is based around the idea that those rights are the most important to spell out in no uncertain terms. They are not a list of "only these", but a list of "primarily these".

The entire premise of the Constitution, and our government, was that the government served at the pleasure of the people, and the people have the right to remove that government at any time when they do not represent the best interests of the people.

As much as people like to throw around "ZOMG THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY WANTED!", I submit that our framers never intended for militarized police to roam the streets, and the culture of fear we live in now.



That's because, unlike the Gun Grabbers, the Framers weren't big on Authoritarianism.

Quite the opposite, in fact.

ParaHandy: computerguyUT: tylerdurden217: What's next? Registering knives? Then they will make us register baseball bats. Then maybe our Laser Tag blasters. The next thing you know Hitler/Stalin/Pol Pot is marching down Main Street.

Wake up people. Second Amendment!

/derp

England has done exactly that. It's illegal for a person under 18 to own a knife longer than 3 1/4" and all knives longer have to be registered. They have also recently banned cricket bats in public.
England, as well as Canada also doesn't have this one document that we treasure so greatly called a constitution. The only civil rights they have are the ones the government deems they are worthy of. But they're groomed from birth to accept that the government is there to spoonfeed you everything you need, so they just accept it.
England has 1/5 the the population of the US and their Violent crime is 4x ours. Yeah, the anti gunners spout the gun stats, but completely leave out that little tidbit.

England has 1/6 the population of the USA ... did you perhaps mean the UK?

There are bills of rights written into many UK laws and feudal agreements that go back hundreds of years before the USA was founded.

England has LESS violence ... the apparent rise is due to the fact the UK's reporting is now far more comprehensive and the bar for what is considered a countable violent crime is far lower than most countries, notably no-one needs to be charged or convicted for an incident in the UK to be recorded as a violent crime. It says right on the Wikipedia page that the data is neither standardized nor comparable across countries.

Why don't you do a little background research on these kinds of anomalies before presenting the NRAs counter-factual view, and you'll find out the real reason.



Seems to me that the UK has a pathetically low crime rate, when compared to the US.

It could be the lack of guns. But over 90% WHITE PEOPLE???

If they ever hope to catch up crime-wise, they'll need more DIVERSITY.
 
2012-12-25 01:39:40 PM
This is more of a list of houses to rob for guns. The newspaper made it easier for cunning criminals who think plan their crimes out intelligently. It's not that hard to stake one of these houses out and wait for it to be completely unoccupied and voila, free guns if they are present and unsecured. Idiot newspaper. The editor moron in chief will accomplish the opposite of what he/she set out to do, and actually might put more stolen guns on the street as a result of this. Isn't it ironic?
 
2012-12-25 01:41:19 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Kit Fister: HotWingConspiracy: david_gaithersburg: wambu: "We are decent, caring people who have an overwhelming hatred of guns. By publishing this information, we put your family at risk of having your home burglarized, maybe your spouse gets killed, maybe your children are raped . . . well dumbass, you should not keep guns in your house! Will your guns protect you now? Tough shiat for you, Mr. Gun-lover. If only you had thought of the children!" -- The No Guns For A Better America Coalition of Non-Violence and Happiness

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The full blown batshiat crazy fear from the wannabe fascist progressives proves that the the second amendment works.

Cling to that gun, boyo.

I'll cling to my guns, my right to privacy, my right to a lawyer, my right to being presumed innocent until proven guilty, my right to avoid illegal search and seizure, freedom of the press, freedom to peaceably assemble, freedom to vote, etc. etc.

OMG LIBERTIES

You people are farking unhinged, and make your own case for being defanged.


LOL! They like their rights. How funny!

/Go be an authoritarian douche somewhere else
 
2012-12-25 01:43:16 PM

moonscatter: way south: This is the kind of thing that makes licensing and registration a bad idea.
The criminals won't attack law abiding gun owners, they'll rob these houses while the owners are out. This paper has willfully aided in the distribution of illegal weapons.
They should be sued for every incident that happens as a result.
The state should also voluntarily comply with federal rules for the FOPA, and destroy those lists immediately.

No, the absolute opposite should be true. If the gun owners are not home the guns should be in a secure safe, not in a bedroom dresser drawer. Any gun stolen in a theft that was not provably in a safe should result in criminal charges against the owners regardless of a red dot on a newspaper map (ie for those who are identified and those who are not)


No safe is completely secure - a deterrent, sure, but not much more.

I agree, a gun owner who does not secure his guns is negligent, and, depending on circumstances, might be criminally so as well.

However, telling anyone who cares to look where guns are kept - that is just stupid.
 
2012-12-25 01:44:41 PM

moonscatter: GoldSpider: utharda: But enjoy your penis surrogate gun toting call of duty jack off fantasy.

I admit, that's bringing it pretty strong.

He gets that way sometimes. We're also both from that neck of the woods and we can tell you right now the guns have more to do with protecting yourself from funny colored people.

Oh and they are screamingly insecure. Lady qcross the street leaves hers sitting on the windowsill so she can see 'em coming!


[I have always loved you]

:-)
 
2012-12-25 01:47:01 PM
Way to facilitate theft.

Glad I don't have to live with farked up citizens like that.
 
2012-12-25 01:48:19 PM
England has 1/6 the population of the USA ... did you perhaps mean the UK?

There are bills of rights written into many UK laws and feudal agreements that go back hundreds of years before the USA was founded.

England has LESS violence ... the apparent rise is due to the fact the UK's reporting is now far more comprehensive and the bar for what is considered a countable violent crime is far lower than most countries, notably no-one needs to be charged or convicted for an incident in the UK to be recorded as a violent crime. It says right on the Wikipedia page that the data is neither standardized nor comparable across countries.

Why don't you do a little background research on these kinds of anomalies before presenting the NRAs counter-factual view, and you'll find out the real reason.

And please learn the difference between the UK, Great Britain and England before you go spouting off. It's not complicated.
 
2012-12-25 01:50:18 PM
I wonder how many of the gun owners moved and didn't update their registrations (or moved out of state), leaving some innocent person's address on the burglary hit list.

Did the newspaper think validate these addresses?
 
2012-12-25 01:53:05 PM

Hagenhatesyouall: Way to facilitate theft.

Glad I don't have to live with farked up citizens like that.



Actually the map is a handy guide for muggers, robbers, burglars, rapists and the like.

SAFETY FIRST!
 
2012-12-25 01:54:59 PM
ParaHandy: England has LESS violence ...

And please learn the difference between the UK, Great Britain and England before you go spouting off. It's not complicated.



You sound American.
 
2012-12-25 01:56:51 PM
FWIW, I clicked about 100 dots on the map and only one female name came up.
 
2012-12-25 01:57:37 PM

david_gaithersburg: Pav: david_gaithersburg: Pav: Public records are public! Oh the horror!

.
The government has your, address, DOB, SocSec number, and Checking account information. Public information, correct?

Incorrect! Can you go and request my SS never using the freedom of information act? How about my checking account info? No! So that means your stupid.

^^^^^
The stupid in this one is strong.


Not as stupid as using your real name on Fark, but close.
 
2012-12-25 01:58:03 PM

Brick-House: Hey, lets next publish the name and address of all the women out there who have had an Abortion.

While there are about 30,000 gun related deaths in America each year. A number that has been decreasing by the way. There are about 1,300,000 abortions in America each year.

And while everyone should be outraged and saddened by the killing of the Sandy Hook school children we should also be saddened and outraged by the killing of babies...

[www.philipbrocoum.com image 409x410]


Better watch it! You'll get banned for abortion trolling.

/I did.
 
2012-12-25 01:59:32 PM
BOO HOO!!!

Poor little gun owners are going to have to come up with new ways to stop thieves.
 
2012-12-25 02:00:03 PM

TonyDanza: snuff3r: Noones going to lose their job over this.

But Noone didn't have anything to do with this. Noone has been doing a great job since he joined the paper.


Thank you.
 
2012-12-25 02:00:47 PM

fisker: This is a good thing.

They should all be treated like registered sex offenders.


Define "sexually offender". You'd be surprised how few of the offenders actually committed "crimes" other than exposure while drunk, being 18 and shagging their not yet 18 year old girl friends.

Sex offenders have broken the law and because of their recidivism, may be a threat to family members- although depends on the nature of their conviction.
Gun owners, on the other hand, are people who own guns as a hobby, for sport, or for protection- all of which are legal activities. Had the paper have published a list of gunowners who had been convicted of using firearms during the commission of a crime, I would possibly recognize some sort of twisted public health advocacy story here. It should be noted that if convicted of a gun related crime, one would have probably met sentencing terms. Probably not a great idea- nor legally condoned-- to continue "punishing" a con who has done their time.
 
2012-12-25 02:01:59 PM
This house protected by abatis.
 
2012-12-25 02:02:33 PM
NannyStatePark: Not as stupid as using your real name on Fark, but close.

That's not really a big deal. I use mine.

My surname is Le Trôle.
 
2012-12-25 02:04:28 PM

Uisce Beatha: moonscatter: way south: This is the kind of thing that makes licensing and registration a bad idea.
The criminals won't attack law abiding gun owners, they'll rob these houses while the owners are out. This paper has willfully aided in the distribution of illegal weapons.
They should be sued for every incident that happens as a result.
The state should also voluntarily comply with federal rules for the FOPA, and destroy those lists immediately.

No, the absolute opposite should be true. If the gun owners are not home the guns should be in a secure safe, not in a bedroom dresser drawer. Any gun stolen in a theft that was not provably in a safe should result in criminal charges against the owners regardless of a red dot on a newspaper map (ie for those who are identified and those who are not)

No safe is completely secure - a deterrent, sure, but not much more.

I agree, a gun owner who does not secure his guns is negligent, and, depending on circumstances, might be criminally so as well.

However, telling anyone who cares to look where guns are kept - that is just stupid.


See, when your house is broken into, you call the cops. And tell them what was stolen. And if the guns werent in the safe you are now personally responsible for guns being in the hands of criminals.

I'm aware safes can be broken into, that, however does not excuse not using one. I currently live in an apartment and dont own a gun. Two if my friends are chl instructirs so I have a small 'courtesy' safe for when they are visiting and would like to safe their guns.
 
2012-12-25 02:04:28 PM

Amos Quito: Kit Fister: Uisce Beatha: whatshisname: The point is there is no specific civil right that the government doesn't have some say in.

Some say in, perhaps, but you asked, " Do Americans have civil rights outside of those the government has granted?" The idea of government here is that the basic rights are ours, and when a government decides it can taken them away, it has to go.

The government can regulate, that is its job, but some things it cannot totally restrict. To keep it on topic, the government can require firearms registration, or background checks, etc, all of which I think are fine, but a total restriction is off the table, as the 2nd Amendment is currently interpreted. As other folks can relate better than I, the amendment was written with an eye towards protecting the rights of the people from an overzealous government.

The entire Bill of Rights is based around the idea that those rights are the most important to spell out in no uncertain terms. They are not a list of "only these", but a list of "primarily these".

The entire premise of the Constitution, and our government, was that the government served at the pleasure of the people, and the people have the right to remove that government at any time when they do not represent the best interests of the people.

As much as people like to throw around "ZOMG THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY WANTED!", I submit that our framers never intended for militarized police to roam the streets, and the culture of fear we live in now.


That's because, unlike the Gun Grabbers, the Framers weren't big on Authoritarianism.

Quite the opposite, in fact.

ParaHandy: computerguyUT: tylerdurden217: What's next? Registering knives? Then they will make us register baseball bats. Then maybe our Laser Tag blasters. The next thing you know Hitler/Stalin/Pol Pot is marching down Main Street.

Wake up people. Second Amendment!

/derp

England has done exactly that. It's illegal for a person under 18 to own a knife longer than 3 1/4" and all knives longer have to be registered. They have also recently banned cricket bats in public.
England, as well as Canada also doesn't have this one document that we treasure so greatly called a constitution. The only civil rights they have are the ones the government deems they are worthy of. But they're groomed from birth to accept that the government is there to spoonfeed you everything you need, so they just accept it.
England has 1/5 the the population of the US and their Violent crime is 4x ours. Yeah, the anti gunners spout the gun stats, but completely leave out that little tidbit.

England has 1/6 the population of the USA ... did you perhaps mean the UK?

There are bills of rights written into many UK laws and feudal agreements that go back hundreds of years before the USA was founded.

England has LESS violence ... the apparent rise is due to the fact the UK's reporting is now far more comprehensive and the bar for what is considered a countable violent crime is far lower than most countries, notably no-one needs to be charged or convicted for an incident in the UK to be recorded as a violent crime. It says right on the Wikipedia page that the data is neither standardized nor comparable across countries.

Why don't you do a little background research on these kinds of anomalies before presenting the NRAs counter-factual view, and you'll find out the real reason.


Seems to me that the UK has a pathetically low crime rate, when compared to the US.

It could be the lack of guns. But over 90% WHITE PEOPLE???

If they ever hope to catch up crime-wise, they'll need more DIVERSITY.


Authoritarianism is a goal of the right. They like to be told what to do by people in funny hats, invisible sky wizards, and a militarized police force.

They apply authoritarianism against things they fear, mostly women and plants. They favour deadly firearms, overseas wars and pollution, as long as some rich fark is making money.
 
2012-12-25 02:07:35 PM

Amos Quito: moonscatter: GoldSpider: utharda: But enjoy your penis surrogate gun toting call of duty jack off fantasy.

I admit, that's bringing it pretty strong.

He gets that way sometimes. We're also both from that neck of the woods and we can tell you right now the guns have more to do with protecting yourself from funny colored people.

Oh and they are screamingly insecure. Lady qcross the street leaves hers sitting on the windowsill so she can see 'em coming!

[I have always loved you]

:-)


Awww, shucks *hugs*
 
2012-12-25 02:07:35 PM
When only criminals have wall of text quotes then only wall of text quotes will have criminals. ICE TO MEET YOU.
 
Pav
2012-12-25 02:07:56 PM

david_gaithersburg: Pav: david_gaithersburg: Pav: Public records are public! Oh the horror!

.
The government has your, address, DOB, SocSec number, and Checking account information. Public information, correct?

Incorrect! Can you go and request my SS never using the freedom of information act? How about my checking account info? No! So that means your stupid.

^^^^^
The stupid in this one is strong.


Orly? How so? By pointing out that you have no idea what information is public and what is not makes me stupid? I think your a little mixed up. Perhaps it's because your from Florida, mouth breather capital of the USA.
 
2012-12-25 02:09:10 PM

Senseless_drivel: FWIW, I clicked about 100 dots on the map and only one female name came up.



So, all the females are unarmed???

t3.gstatic.com
 
2012-12-25 02:10:08 PM

ParaHandy: Because I choose to live in the USA. If you consider immigration from more civilized places a threat, then lobby to close the border.

My goal it to take the best of Europe (healthcare, gun control, fairer elections, mutli-party compromise politics, UK road signage, ...) and the best of the USA (entrpreneurial spirit, block based street numbering, right turn on red) and cross-pollinate.


What if we don't WANT what you're doing? The point here is, you cannot force us to accept things that go against both our culture and the very basic precepts the constitution lays out.

You want to live in the US? Accept the way we do things here. Don't like how we do things here? Don't live here. I don't move to the UK because I like the UK and bring my ideas of how things should be there, do I?
 
2012-12-25 02:10:30 PM

Bell-fan: IamKaiserSoze!!!: God, but zealots do some thoroughly brain dead stuff. I mean, that's Westboro Baptist crazy.

I hope those assholes lose every gun owners subscription, as well as those who don't own guns but still have common sense. Advertisers should be dropping them right and left too.

Fire the editor and whatever writers were involved with this.

I'll go further than that... I say that the paper should be seized, it's license to do business pulled, and the entire enterprise disbanded. This is civic irresponsibility. The Editor and whoever runs the paper should be jailed under the same laws that ban yelling "fire" in a crowded theater.

This is just plain westboro baptist church crazy and irresponsible.

The proceeds of the sale of the newspaper and its entire holding should go to the people whose names were published.

This is flat outright invasion of privacy. I understand that need to publish stories of interest, but these people are not public figures, and as such they have a reasonable expectation of privacy and that others will not publish their names for perfectly law abiding behavior.

Oh and gun control advocates... you just lost me right there. You've just shown that your cause is run by crazies that'll do any irresponsible thing that they can to get what they want. That sort of fanaticism need to be curb stomped.


I'm not saying I agree with what the paper did but there is no law against it. If the information is available thru an FOIA request then it is in the public domain already. All the paper did was display information available to anyone in a highly public manner. Was it the right thing to do? Not in my opinion. Was it illegal? Nope.

People need to stop all the "ban all guns" and "from my cold dead hand" crap. There is a place of balance where we can put safety first and still respect the rights afforded by the 2nd Amendment. If you go into a discussion with the hate and fear at max levels, nothing productive can come from it. I have ideas on how that can move forward but it has been my experience that most logical progressive ideas that are put forward get shouted down by either side if it not complete freedom to own whatever gun they want or not a complete ban of all things that go boom.

Hopefully cooler heads prevail and some sensible regulation can happen. Regulation does not mean confiscation. It could be something like mandatory training in safety and legal responsibilities of gun ownership WRT storage and use. There are too many people that are irresponsible with their firearms and they are the ones giving good gun owners a bad name.

I like guns. They are fun on the range. I shoot with friends. I am also in the Army full time and am no stranger to weapons. I have no vendetta against guns, just the irresponsible owners that ruin things for good guys. Finding ways to weed out the morans that treat their guns with no respect as a deadly weapon and more like a toy is the way forward. Not a total ban.

my two cents.
 
2012-12-25 02:10:32 PM
ParaHandy: Authoritarianism is a goal of the right. They like to be told what to do by people in funny hats, invisible sky wizards, and a militarized police force.
They apply authoritarianism against things they fear, mostly women and plants. They favour deadly firearms, overseas wars and pollution, as long as some rich fark is making money.


This sounds like something you'd read on a bumper sticker.

Actually, it sounds like something you'd read on a bumper sticker in a cartoon.
 
2012-12-25 02:11:07 PM

Amos Quito: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Amos Quito: [i1121.photobucket.com image 606x452]

NY Murder Map - 2010

[i1121.photobucket.com image 850x596]

New York legal gun map, 2012

Anyone notice any correlation here?

Any?

you're telling me only one person owns a legal gun in Brooklyn?


No, that is what the MAP compiled by the author of the article is telling you.

Frankly, I find it hard to believe.

I mean, do all of those rich Wall Street tycoons, etc. run around with unarmed body guards?

/Bloomberg gets police protection, so he's ok


C'mon, you are smarter than that. Those guys dont live on Wall Street, they live in Greeeeeenwich, darling. And oh, I found the cuuuuutest little boutique you must go try outt! Francois has this divine way with finding the perfect hostess gifts fir those unfortunate times you just must go to one of her dinners....
 
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