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2012-12-25 12:52:59 PM
TheDirtyNacho: Tax $20 a bullet and implement a national buyback program for weapons, ammo and accessories. I bet a lot of families that are unhappy with a certain member's gun collection would gladly start bringing them in. In a generation, the number of usable weapons floating around out there would decline dramatically.

So, a program of punitive taxation and government sanctioned theft.

Every man a good idea that simply will not work.
 
2012-12-25 12:53:08 PM

steamingpile: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: What, don't all you tough-guy six-shootin' cowboys want everyone to know how big and bad you are with your big bad guns? Pussies. Learn to fist-fight, like a real man.

Real world doesn't work that way, also just because you have a gun permit doesn't mean you have a conceal/carry permit which means they can be stolen once people know you are not home.


This is the main issue here, I think. This looks like a shopping list for someone who wants to steal some guns.
 
2012-12-25 12:53:34 PM

PopularFront: This version of the article contains the the following:

"Editor's note: Journal News reporter Dwight R. Worley owns a Smith & Wesson 686 .357 Magnum and has had a residence permit in New York City for that weapon since February 2011."

Dwight R. Worley is the reporter who wrote the story. These gun owners were outed by one of their own.



Well, I just clicked every dot in NYC, and his name / address isn't there.

Say, you don't suppose he edited his OWN name and address out for some reason, do you?
 
2012-12-25 12:54:33 PM

computerguyUT: England, as well as Canada also doesn't have this one document that we treasure so greatly called a constitution. The only civil rights they have are the ones the government deems they are worthy of.


Canada has a constitution. We also have a Bill of Rights. Your statement that "the only civil rights they have are the ones the government deems them worthy of" is absolutely ridiculous. Do Americans have civil rights outside of those the government has granted?
 
2012-12-25 12:56:17 PM

robnelle: clowncar on fire: robnelle: Follow up article:

Mass shooting at The Journal News offices by disgruntled gun owner.

Highly unlikely. More likely- "Several area homes robbed- targeted for weapons and ammunition".

A gun owner (or family member of gun owner) mowing down 20 kids for the hell of it is pretty unlikely too.....but it happened.

A gun owner lighting up a theater is unlikely...but it happened.
A gun owner picking off innocent people at a mall is unlikely ...but it happened.
It's not so much that they are gun owners. The vast majority of gun owners would never do something like this- I agree with you on this. But, like in any group, you will have a small percentage of them that are mentally unstable. When dealing with the mentally unsound, it really doesn't matter how likely a given scenario is. It is unlikely to you and I because we are sane. It is impossible to predict the actions of a mentally compromised person- and those actions can be deadly when that person has access to a weapon-gun, knife or whatever at their disposal. I agree that a shooting is generally unlikely but given the sorry state of mental health care in this country and the general high level of emotions on both sides of this argument, it's not as unlikely as it should be.


But now we are far more likely to see homes robbed by people who, by their own actions, would be granted access to guns- or would provide access to others-- and be more likely to use them on another human in the future commission of a crime than a pissed off gun owner who respected and complied with the law by registering his guns in the first place.

The real issue has to do with who is accessing guns, not just ownership. The Newspaper was trying to correlate ownership with future propensity to commit a crime with a firearm. They could have easily published a list of car owners as more people are killed by cars than guns. Again- there is this reasonable expectation for the most part that car owners will take care in Complying with the laws (snert) in the usage of their cars. The reality- like with firearms-- is that some a-hole will be granted an id and an automoble license and will either drive drunk, wreckless or intentionally "rage" someone off the road.

Far more likely than homocide via a firearm. Have any solutions to that problem yet?
 
2012-12-25 12:57:52 PM

utah dude: Amos Quito: [i1121.photobucket.com image 606x452]

NY Murder Map - 2010

[i1121.photobucket.com image 850x596]

New York legal gun map, 2012

Anyone notice any correlation here?

Any?

overlaid for you:

[img405.imageshack.us image 640x480]


Thanks, utah dude

Here's a link to the murder map source.

/In case you want to enbiggen
 
2012-12-25 12:58:08 PM

whatshisname: Do Americans have civil rights outside of those the government has granted?


Our country was founded with these words: We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

The government does not grant us our basic rights - they are ours as human birthright.
 
2012-12-25 12:58:11 PM

MerelyFoolish: I would have no problem having my name published in the paper as owning guns because:

1. My guns are locked in safes. If someone breaks in my house, they can get the television, the inexpensive jewelry, the silver, etc., but my guns will never end up in the hands of criminals. My guns are also safe from my son and daughter's friends who might get curious when visiting. All gun owners should be responsible and accountable for keeping their guns away from thieves and children. While I am sorry that the whacko in CT's mother was killed, she should have been more responsible with her guns.

2. The handgun I keep loaded and ready to use is in a separate lockbox that i can access in about 3 seconds from my bed. The lockbox also holds the buckshot for the shotgun under the bed - my weapon of choice for home protection if I have time to load it. Will I ever need to use it? Highly probable that I will not. But the number of home invasions where I live continue to increase, and no one will every rape or kill anyone in my household. We have an excellent police force where I live, but they are very good at solving crimes, not preventing them.


Wow.
 
2012-12-25 12:58:50 PM

Even With A Chainsaw: steamingpile: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: What, don't all you tough-guy six-shootin' cowboys want everyone to know how big and bad you are with your big bad guns? Pussies. Learn to fist-fight, like a real man.

Real world doesn't work that way, also just because you have a gun permit doesn't mean you have a conceal/carry permit which means they can be stolen once people know you are not home.

This is the main issue here, I think. This looks like a shopping list for someone who wants to steal some guns.


Stupid is as stupid does... on both sides of the fence...

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-25 12:59:55 PM
so many feral pigs in New York? Gevalt, who knew?
 
2012-12-25 01:00:39 PM
More proof that

w.tlck9academy.com
www.solving-math-problems.com

upload.wikimedia.org

jus' sayin'

My gun does nothing when I am not at home.

My dogs chewed through a metal screen on the back of the door trying to eat the mailman.
 
2012-12-25 01:00:46 PM

Amos Quito:

Anyone notice any correlation here?

Any?


More guns and murders in poor areas.

That's a social issue, not a firearms related issue.
 
2012-12-25 01:01:11 PM

amquelbettamin: s2s2s2: Brick-House: There are about 1,300,000 abortions in America each year.

How much is that saving in welfare costs?

That's racest


Only if you believe there is diversity in 'welfare' recipients. Asshat.
 
2012-12-25 01:01:28 PM

muck4doo: PopularFront: This version of the article contains the the following:

"Editor's note: Journal News reporter Dwight R. Worley owns a Smith & Wesson 686 .357 Magnum and has had a residence permit in New York City for that weapon since February 2011."

Dwight R. Worley is the reporter who wrote the story. These gun owners were outed by one of their own.

Did he put his home address in the article?


I didn't see an obvious way to determine that without his address. While looking for that I noticed that some of the people who are trying to publish his address in retaliation for the article are posting info for the wrong guy.
 
2012-12-25 01:02:03 PM

stiletto_the_wise: Second Amendment, meet First Amendment.


This.

Anti-gun people: There should be heavy restrictions on gun ownership.
Pro-gun people: SECOND AMENDMENT! SECOND AMENDMENT!
Anti-gun people: We're going to publish a list of public records as allowed by the First Amendment.
Pro-gun people: THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
 
2012-12-25 01:02:49 PM

Dear Jerk: Since we don't have a standing army. Oh, wait.


because we have a standing army, all or which is off, away, in some foreign country ending with -stan or -ea.
 
2012-12-25 01:02:49 PM

willfullyobscure: so many feral pigs in New York? Gevalt, who knew?


This map is only for registered handgun owners, because in NY state, you need permission from the government to possess a handgun. Rifles are not registered.
 
2012-12-25 01:03:00 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Rich Cream: This isn't about guns. This is about taking a volatile situation, wherein people are very upset and angry about something, and these newspeople then "make a list" of the people who are at best obliquely associated with the cause of the anger and upset.

This is instigation to cause trouble. It is as simple as that.

Irresponsible use of First Amendment in response to irresponsible use of Second Amendment.


Simply owning a registered firearm is an irresponsible use of the Second Amendment?
 
2012-12-25 01:04:13 PM
This is an atrocity clearly equal to the mass murder of Kindergarteners and firefighters, to say nothing of the too-frequent senseless (but less newsworthy) murders, therefore both sides are bad.
 
2012-12-25 01:04:15 PM

Amos Quito: [i1121.photobucket.com image 606x452]

NY Murder Map - 2010

[i1121.photobucket.com image 850x596]

New York legal gun map, 2012

Anyone notice any correlation here?

Any?


you're telling me only one person owns a legal gun in Brooklyn?
 
2012-12-25 01:04:32 PM

Dear Jerk: 0x1a4
... It does nothing to lead us to any kind of irrational debate on the issues.

I assume you meant rational - but - sure it does. Evidenced by this thread right here. The first amendment is designed to air out bad ideas.


I did mean rational. Damn new tablet loves to change what I type. Yes, I agree the first lets us talk about this issue. But this type of crap is why I am against registration. Many types of government records are not public. This should not be either.
 
2012-12-25 01:05:09 PM

Uisce Beatha: The government does not grant us our basic rights - they are ours as human birthright.


That's a nice idea but those statements are so vague as to be useless in actual practice. Your constitution lays out the specifics of some civil rights and federal and state laws further define them. The point is there is no specific civil right that the government doesn't have some say in.
 
2012-12-25 01:06:52 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: you're telling me only one person owns a legal gun in Brooklyn?


the map was according to readership of the 'newspaper', here, an online publication.
 
2012-12-25 01:07:37 PM

Ontos: Lenny_da_Hog: Rich Cream: This isn't about guns. This is about taking a volatile situation, wherein people are very upset and angry about something, and these newspeople then "make a list" of the people who are at best obliquely associated with the cause of the anger and upset.

This is instigation to cause trouble. It is as simple as that.

Irresponsible use of First Amendment in response to irresponsible use of Second Amendment.

Simply owning a registered firearm is an irresponsible use of the Second Amendment?


The only reason they thought they could make money from this is the recent shooting sprees.
 
2012-12-25 01:09:24 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: Ontos: Lenny_da_Hog: Rich Cream: This isn't about guns. This is about taking a volatile situation, wherein people are very upset and angry about something, and these newspeople then "make a list" of the people who are at best obliquely associated with the cause of the anger and upset.

This is instigation to cause trouble. It is as simple as that.

Irresponsible use of First Amendment in response to irresponsible use of Second Amendment.

Simply owning a registered firearm is an irresponsible use of the Second Amendment?

The only reason they thought they could make money from this is the recent shooting sprees.


OK... I see what you were saying now.
 
2012-12-25 01:10:39 PM

utah dude: The All-Powerful Atheismo: you're telling me only one person owns a legal gun in Brooklyn?

the map was according to readership of the 'newspaper', here, an online publication.


So the correlation between the two maps is complete bullshiat. Got it.
 
2012-12-25 01:10:41 PM

Giltric: Satanic_Hamster: ParaHandy: Satanic_Hamster: While I'm all for openness in government, why the hell are those public records?

Why the hell is the list of cars I own available?

I want a list of where all the young nubile children live as well as their school schedules. It's public records, after all.

In NJ they wanted to put ahighly visible sticker on cars with first time drivers in it.....the left complained because that would let pedophiles target cars with teens in it.....instead of following that highly visible long bright yellow thing that drops off and picks up kids to and from school.


What a ridiculous fear. Cars have windows.

In Northern Ireland new drivers under 21 have to display an "R" plate (restricted) whem driving alone, and use lower speed limits on major roads. I have never heard of this as an issue.

I am a big believer in advanced driver education schemes like the UK's Pass Plus ... in the long term, this would save thousands of lives a year too. US driving tests are far too easy.
 
2012-12-25 01:11:37 PM
If a newspaper in Alabama complied the names and addresses of everyone who ever donated to the NAACP in their readership area and put them in an interactive map for anyone to peruse, it might be "legal" too, but would anyone try to deny that it would be a transparent attempt at intimidation?
 
2012-12-25 01:12:14 PM
No matter your views on gun control this was a stupid, vindictive idea.
 
2012-12-25 01:12:35 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: So the correlation between the two maps is complete bullshiat. Got it.


because sampling error / bias.
you win two Jesuses.
 
2012-12-25 01:12:54 PM

whatshisname: The point is there is no specific civil right that the government doesn't have some say in.


Some say in, perhaps, but you asked, " Do Americans have civil rights outside of those the government has granted?" The idea of government here is that the basic rights are ours, and when a government decides it can taken them away, it has to go.

The government can regulate, that is its job, but some things it cannot totally restrict. To keep it on topic, the government can require firearms registration, or background checks, etc, all of which I think are fine, but a total restriction is off the table, as the 2nd Amendment is currently interpreted. As other folks can relate better than I, the amendment was written with an eye towards protecting the rights of the people from an overzealous government.
 
2012-12-25 01:13:01 PM
Oh no, they published public information.

What are you gonna do, shoot them?
 
2012-12-25 01:13:09 PM

ParaHandy: Giltric: Satanic_Hamster: ParaHandy: Satanic_Hamster: While I'm all for openness in government, why the hell are those public records?

Why the hell is the list of cars I own available?

I want a list of where all the young nubile children live as well as their school schedules. It's public records, after all.

In NJ they wanted to put ahighly visible sticker on cars with first time drivers in it.....the left complained because that would let pedophiles target cars with teens in it.....instead of following that highly visible long bright yellow thing that drops off and picks up kids to and from school.

What a ridiculous fear. Cars have windows.

In Northern Ireland new drivers under 21 have to display an "R" plate (restricted) whem driving alone, and use lower speed limits on major roads. I have never heard of this as an issue.

I am a big believer in advanced driver education schemes like the UK's Pass Plus ... in the long term, this would save thousands of lives a year too. US driving tests are far too easy.


So, what you're saying is, you basically want the US to be more like the UK? Why not go live in the UK and let us alone?
 
2012-12-25 01:14:21 PM

special20: amquelbettamin: s2s2s2: Brick-House: There are about 1,300,000 abortions in America each year.

How much is that saving in welfare costs?

That's racest

Only if you believe there is diversity in 'welfare' recipients. Asshat.


Just the facts, ma'm

www.abort73.com
 
Pav
2012-12-25 01:14:36 PM

david_gaithersburg: Pav: Public records are public! Oh the horror!

.
The government has your, address, DOB, SocSec number, and Checking account information. Public information, correct?


Incorrect! Can you go and request my SS never using the freedom of information act? How about my checking account info? No! So that means your stupid.
 
2012-12-25 01:14:58 PM
StopLurkListen: This is an atrocity clearly equal to the mass murder of Kindergarteners and firefighters, to say nothing of the too-frequent senseless (but less newsworthy) murders, therefore both sides are bad.

The mass murders were committed by someone, who, if they had not killed themselves, would have been found innocent by reason of insanity.

But this publication of addresses has no such justification. All those involved are capable and competent and malicious.

So you are on the right track in seeing the equality of the actions, but this is wrong.

The newspaper is worse.
 
2012-12-25 01:15:29 PM

utah dude: The All-Powerful Atheismo: So the correlation between the two maps is complete bullshiat. Got it.

because sampling error / bias.
you win two Jesuses.


Can I get a pre-crucifiction model?
 
2012-12-25 01:16:18 PM

NewportBarGuy: I am a gun owner



This is scary.
 
2012-12-25 01:17:43 PM

wambu: "We are decent, caring people who have an overwhelming hatred of guns. By publishing this information, we put your family at risk of having your home burglarized, maybe your spouse gets killed, maybe your children are raped . . . well dumbass, you should not keep guns in your house! Will your guns protect you now? Tough shiat for you, Mr. Gun-lover. If only you had thought of the children!" -- The No Guns For A Better America Coalition of Non-Violence and Happiness


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The full blown batshiat crazy fear from the wannabe fascist progressives proves that the the second amendment works.
 
2012-12-25 01:19:06 PM

letrole: TheDirtyNacho: Tax $20 a bullet and implement a national buyback program for weapons, ammo and accessories. I bet a lot of families that are unhappy with a certain member's gun collection would gladly start bringing them in. In a generation, the number of usable weapons floating around out there would decline dramatically.

So, a program of punitive taxation and government sanctioned theft.

Every man a good idea that simply will not work.


From what i've read- a majority of the guns aquired in a buy backprogram are defective, poor quality, non-operational junk that would have eventually injurred the idiot attempting to use them or end up in a scap heap. Would you really want to pay $25- $50 for scrap that would have generated less a dollar at the recycling plant?

I don't have a problem with the government having a light tax on ammo and firearm sales provided that the money funded firearm training and education, law enforcement, or assistance to families of gun related crimes.
 
2012-12-25 01:19:13 PM

here to help: Ima4nic8or: I dont have a problem with this. Its good to know where the paranoid loonies are so that you can avoid them and their houses. They may not want the info out there but its much like the sex offender registries. I am sure those folks dont like their names out there either, but lets face it, the info is not being put out there for their benefit. It is for all the sane folks that want to avoid them.

Not every gun owner is an irresponsible lunatic and claiming that is the case is not helping the cause.

If you lump in the responsible gun owners who are willing to work on fixing things in with the sh*theads you will only ostracize them.

Why the f*ck can't you people THINK and work TOGETHER to solve your issues?! You're tearing the damned country apart!


But but VICTORY OR DEATH!!!

/something something darkside
 
2012-12-25 01:19:31 PM

david_gaithersburg: wambu: "We are decent, caring people who have an overwhelming hatred of guns. By publishing this information, we put your family at risk of having your home burglarized, maybe your spouse gets killed, maybe your children are raped . . . well dumbass, you should not keep guns in your house! Will your guns protect you now? Tough shiat for you, Mr. Gun-lover. If only you had thought of the children!" -- The No Guns For A Better America Coalition of Non-Violence and Happiness

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The full blown batshiat crazy fear from the wannabe fascist progressives proves that the the second amendment works.


Cling to that gun, boyo.
 
2012-12-25 01:21:20 PM

maniacbastard: More proof that

[w.tlck9academy.com image 500x300]
[www.solving-math-problems.com image 273x208]

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x228]

jus' sayin'

My gun does nothing when I am not at home.

My dogs chewed through a metal screen on the back of the door trying to eat the mailman.


One of my friends dogs was poisoned when his area was experiencing a streak of burglaries.
If people know the gun must be secured in the house and they think getting your property is worth the trouble, you'd be surprised how far a they'll go to defeat your defenses.
Part of your security is the fact that thieves don't know what you have.
 
2012-12-25 01:21:48 PM
totally not the thing a liberally biased newspaper would do
 
2012-12-25 01:21:53 PM

Brick-House: Hey, lets next publish the name and address of all the women out there who have had an Abortion.

While there are about 30,000 gun related deaths in America each year. A number that has been decreasing by the way. There are about 1,300,000 abortions in America each year.

And while everyone should be outraged and saddened by the killing of the Sandy Hook school children we should also be saddened and outraged by the killing of babies...


HANDS OFF MY REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS!

thank you.
 
2012-12-25 01:23:39 PM
In fact, due to this B.S. I am going to find the names and addresses of everyone that was involved in posting this data to the public.

Then I am going to post THEIR ADDRESSES, and if each and every one owns a gun or not. Gotta let the crooks know who is easy right? If they want to post our info, I guess we should post theirs, RIGHT?
 
2012-12-25 01:25:13 PM

Uisce Beatha: whatshisname: The point is there is no specific civil right that the government doesn't have some say in.

Some say in, perhaps, but you asked, " Do Americans have civil rights outside of those the government has granted?" The idea of government here is that the basic rights are ours, and when a government decides it can taken them away, it has to go.

The government can regulate, that is its job, but some things it cannot totally restrict. To keep it on topic, the government can require firearms registration, or background checks, etc, all of which I think are fine, but a total restriction is off the table, as the 2nd Amendment is currently interpreted. As other folks can relate better than I, the amendment was written with an eye towards protecting the rights of the people from an overzealous government.


The entire Bill of Rights is based around the idea that those rights are the most important to spell out in no uncertain terms. They are not a list of "only these", but a list of "primarily these".

The entire premise of the Constitution, and our government, was that the government served at the pleasure of the people, and the people have the right to remove that government at any time when they do not represent the best interests of the people.

As much as people like to throw around "ZOMG THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY WANTED!", I submit that our framers never intended for militarized police to roam the streets, and the culture of fear we live in now.
 
2012-12-25 01:25:48 PM

clowncar on fire: feckingmorons: Newspapers do this sort of thing every five or six years.  Then somebody publishes the names, addresses, phone numbers, license plate numbers, and schools of the kids of all the reporters and editors and they all have to jump through hoops to get phone numbers changed, and if I recall last time I read about this foolishness one of the reporters moved because she was tired of getting rotten fish guts on her porch.

So are you suggesting that they retaliate or merely expressing your complete lack of surprise for the retaliation that has yet to occur?


You make it sound like a bad thing. Do unto others as they do unto you.
 
2012-12-25 01:25:56 PM

computerguyUT: tylerdurden217: What's next? Registering knives? Then they will make us register baseball bats. Then maybe our Laser Tag blasters. The next thing you know Hitler/Stalin/Pol Pot is marching down Main Street.

Wake up people. Second Amendment!

/derp

England has done exactly that. It's illegal for a person under 18 to own a knife longer than 3 1/4" and all knives longer have to be registered. They have also recently banned cricket bats in public.
England, as well as Canada also doesn't have this one document that we treasure so greatly called a constitution. The only civil rights they have are the ones the government deems they are worthy of. But they're groomed from birth to accept that the government is there to spoonfeed you everything you need, so they just accept it.
England has 1/5 the the population of the US and their Violent crime is 4x ours. Yeah, the anti gunners spout the gun stats, but completely leave out that little tidbit.


England has 1/6 the population of the USA ... did you perhaps mean the UK?

There are bills of rights written into many UK laws and feudal agreements that go back hundreds of years before the USA was founded.

England has LESS violence ... the apparent rise is due to the fact the UK's reporting is now far more comprehensive and the bar for what is considered a countable violent crime is far lower than most countries, notably no-one needs to be charged or convicted for an incident in the UK to be recorded as a violent crime. It says right on the Wikipedia page that the data is neither standardized nor comparable across countries.

Why don't you do a little background research on these kinds of anomalies before presenting the NRAs counter-factual view, and you'll find out the real reason.

And please learn the difference between the UK, Great Britain and England before you go spouting off. It's not complicated.
 
2012-12-25 01:26:20 PM

Uisce Beatha: fredklein: Hamanu: I would think that the reason people are pissed off is because thieves are going to be targeting gun owner's houses to steal their guns.

Are they going to pick the lock on the gun safe, or carry the whole thing away on their backs??

No gun safe is impenetrable. At most, a safe deters a thief looking for a quick smash and grab. A thief who has access to my house and knows I am not due home could probably cut his way into my safe in under a half an hour, using the tools in my garage. The safe merely lets him know where all my guns are.


No- the article let him know where the guns are.
 
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