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2012-12-25 12:22:48 PM  

Cuchulane: Amos Quito: [i1121.photobucket.com image 850x596]

So, if the hysterical Gun-Grabbers are right, a map showing gun-related crimes should correlate very closely to the above.

Red areas: High gun crime.
Non-red: Crime Free Zones.

Right?

Or it could correlate with population density. You know, like if you did a crime map of Rock Springs, Wyoming and Manhattan.


I think it is safe to say that the folks of Rock Springs own far more guns per capita, AND that the crime rate in Rock Springs is far lower - per 100,000 population.

But let's ban guns anyhow, mmmmkay?
 
2012-12-25 12:23:50 PM  
I would have no problem having my name published in the paper as owning guns because:

1. My guns are locked in safes. If someone breaks in my house, they can get the television, the inexpensive jewelry, the silver, etc., but my guns will never end up in the hands of criminals. My guns are also safe from my son and daughter's friends who might get curious when visiting. All gun owners should be responsible and accountable for keeping their guns away from thieves and children. While I am sorry that the whacko in CT's mother was killed, she should have been more responsible with her guns.

2. The handgun I keep loaded and ready to use is in a separate lockbox that i can access in about 3 seconds from my bed. The lockbox also holds the buckshot for the shotgun under the bed - my weapon of choice for home protection if I have time to load it. Will I ever need to use it? Highly probable that I will not. But the number of home invasions where I live continue to increase, and no one will every rape or kill anyone in my household. We have an excellent police force where I live, but they are very good at solving crimes, not preventing them.

3. Any burglar with any sense (a bit of an oxymoron) would look up their potential victims on the map published by the paper. I cannot imagine they would burglarize a house of a homeowner.

4. I would hope the parents who don't want their kids playing in houses with guns would also see the list. If they don't trust their kids to mind my rules, I don't either.

If I was one not on the list, I would be a bit upset that the paper identified my house as an unprotected house.
 
2012-12-25 12:23:59 PM  

RandomRandom: halB: So when the thieves break into 20 houses, and murder 20 children sleeping inside, what about then?

Think very carefully of your answer, for I am setting a trap for your "logic."

You believe thieves are A. smart enough or - B. stupid enough to break into homes with known gun ownership?

The answer is C. Home burglars are generally junkies. Junkies don't read the newspaper. The answer is C because this will have no impact.



Way to completely sidestep the question I put forth to you. I'm surprised you didn't just scream "NO! MINE" like a toddler. Enjoy your permanent infancy. I look forward to my paycheck supporting your welfare check.
 
2012-12-25 12:24:03 PM  

s2s2s2: Brick-House: There are about 1,300,000 abortions in America each year.

How much is that saving in welfare costs?


Not the point... Publish a interactive map with the name and address of all the women who have had an Abortion and watch the left explode with outrage for invading these poor innocent women's privacy. But it is just fine and dandy to invade the privacy of law abiding citizens for exercising their second amendment right.
 
2012-12-25 12:24:08 PM  

s2s2s2: Brick-House: There are about 1,300,000 abortions in America each year.

How much is that saving in welfare costs?



I know you jest, but Texas, which has recently attempted to prevent Planned Parenthood from getting any money (even the clinics that don't perform abortions), realized that the loss of family planning clinics would result is an extra $273 million a year in taxpayer costs due to unplanned birth care.
 
2012-12-25 12:24:33 PM  
They should make the gun owners in that area wear yellow stars, so the decent folk can easily identify them.
 
2012-12-25 12:25:25 PM  

s2s2s2: amquelbettamin: That's racest

At least it's not racest to the bottom.


Racest to the bottom

www.artrocker.tv
 
2012-12-25 12:27:02 PM  
This is an outrage! The 2nd Amendment clearly states that all American citizens have the right to stockpile a secret arsenal. In fact, it used to be against the law to admit to owning a gun. How are we going to surprise the Russians when they invade if they know who has the guns?

It's common sense, Sheeple!
 
2012-12-25 12:27:14 PM  

computerguyUT: England has done exactly that. It's illegal for a person under 18 to own a knife longer than 3 1/4" and all knives longer have to be registered. They


does that go for culinary knives, too?
 
2012-12-25 12:28:12 PM  

Ima4nic8or: I dont have a problem with this. Its good to know where the paranoid loonies are so that you can avoid them and their houses. They may not want the info out there but its much like the sex offender registries. I am sure those folks dont like their names out there either, but lets face it, the info is not being put out there for their benefit. It is for all the sane folks that want to avoid them.


We're not talking about a sexual offender's list (although they probably need to redefine what is a sexual crime before ostracising your neighbor for being convicted after peeing off the porch during the Super Bowl).

You'll find entire communities of gunowners that have hunted since childhood and have yet to commit a crime with a rifle. Maybe we need to have a special plate for cars with drivers convicted of speeding and wreckless driving as there are far more auto related deaths than from guns.

Do I need a list of car owners so i know who i should and should not associate with?
 
2012-12-25 12:28:25 PM  
stupid, but after all it is public information
 
2012-12-25 12:28:56 PM  

s2s2s2: Brick-House: There are about 1,300,000 abortions in America each year.

How much is that saving in welfare costs?


i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-25 12:31:18 PM  

RandomRandom: tlchwi02: seems like semantics at that point. I guess its annoying that a newspaper published it, but if anyone who was interested could obtain the information anyway i don't get the outrage. oh no, public information is available to the public!

Exactly.

When have government permits (of any kind) NOT been public information? They should be private Because Guns? Puhleeze. If you want to be anonymous, don't get a permit.

/They outed my sekrit gun!
//The gun nuts really posted info on the reporters kids the last time? Anyone OK with that is a douchbag.


Why are they douches? It's public information.
 
2012-12-25 12:31:28 PM  
Public records are public. The freedom to access public information and the right to government transparency are even more important to democracy than the freedom to own a firearm.
 
2012-12-25 12:32:51 PM  

s2s2s2: Brick-House: There are about 1,300,000 abortions in America each year.

How much is that saving in welfare costs?


Seriously...as a conservative I say Fark it...scoop out your womb for 500$ instead of letting us taxpayers support it for the rest of it and its offsprings life....generational welfare and all that.

500 up front or hundreds of thousands over its lifespan.
 
2012-12-25 12:33:17 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Oh oh oh. I want a list published of where every politician and cop lives.


and where all the homosexual party cruises are, too, they always have the nicest things!
 
2012-12-25 12:33:40 PM  
I love all the people with GEDs in law from NRA U who think that they have a right to sue over this, as if the newspaper is strictly liable for anything that happens to anyone they report on. Don't like it? Stick to hunting rifles that don't need to be registered; you can still clutch it in your cold dead hands when you're murdered by a government drone during the great defense of the second amendment.
 
2012-12-25 12:34:07 PM  
Good for the paper. Now people no what local nut jobs to stay away from.
 
2012-12-25 12:34:25 PM  

Amos Quito: Cuchulane: Amos Quito: [i1121.photobucket.com image 850x596]

So, if the hysterical Gun-Grabbers are right, a map showing gun-related crimes should correlate very closely to the above.

Red areas: High gun crime.
Non-red: Crime Free Zones.

Right?

Or it could correlate with population density. You know, like if you did a crime map of Rock Springs, Wyoming and Manhattan.

I think it is safe to say that the folks of Rock Springs own far more guns per capita, AND that the crime rate in Rock Springs is far lower - per 100,000 population.

But let's ban guns anyhow, mmmmkay?


See, this is the absurdist approach the NRA has pushed as a defense and is being echoed thoughtlessly, that any mention of regulating firearms = complete gun ban. But the NRA is completely on the wrong side of the argument with the general public, and by a big margin. Every product available to the public is regulated for public safety. This all or nothing gambit has not, and will not, continue to fool the public and only cements in the "gun nut" stereotype.
 
2012-12-25 12:35:42 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: ParaHandy: Satanic_Hamster: While I'm all for openness in government, why the hell are those public records?

Why the hell is the list of cars I own available?

I want a list of where all the young nubile children live as well as their school schedules. It's public records, after all.


In NJ they wanted to put ahighly visible sticker on cars with first time drivers in it.....the left complained because that would let pedophiles target cars with teens in it.....instead of following that highly visible long bright yellow thing that drops off and picks up kids to and from school.
 
2012-12-25 12:37:08 PM  

MerelyFoolish: I would have no problem having my name published in the paper as owning guns because:

1. My guns are locked in safes. If someone breaks in my house, they can get the television, the inexpensive jewelry, the silver, etc., but my guns will never end up in the hands of criminals. My guns are also safe from my son and daughter's friends who might get curious when visiting. All gun owners should be responsible and accountable for keeping their guns away from thieves and children. While I am sorry that the whacko in CT's mother was killed, she should have been more responsible with her guns.

2. The handgun I keep loaded and ready to use is in a separate lockbox that i can access in about 3 seconds from my bed. The lockbox also holds the buckshot for the shotgun under the bed - my weapon of choice for home protection if I have time to load it. Will I ever need to use it? Highly probable that I will not. But the number of home invasions where I live continue to increase, and no one will every rape or kill anyone in my household. We have an excellent police force where I live, but they are very good at solving crimes, not preventing them.

3. Any burglar with any sense (a bit of an oxymoron) would look up their potential victims on the map published by the paper. I cannot imagine they would burglarize a house of a homeowner.

4. I would hope the parents who don't want their kids playing in houses with guns would also see the list. If they don't trust their kids to mind my rules, I don't either.

If I was one not on the list, I would be a bit upset that the paper identified my house as an unprotected house.


I'm right there with you as far as securing my firearms with one notable exception. If someone wants to get at my gun safe while I am not here they are going to have to get by one *very* energetic German Shepherd who takes his roll as "security" very, very seriously.

/the Basset Hound and the Husky are just for show.
 
2012-12-25 12:37:19 PM  
This isn't about guns. This is about taking a volatile situation, wherein people are very upset and angry about something, and these newspeople then "make a list" of the people who are at best obliquely associated with the cause of the anger and upset.

This is instigation to cause trouble. It is as simple as that.


/where's those maps with the bullseyes on it?
 
2012-12-25 12:37:47 PM  

clowncar on fire: robnelle: Follow up article:

Mass shooting at The Journal News offices by disgruntled gun owner.

Highly unlikely. More likely- "Several area homes robbed- targeted for weapons and ammunition".



A gun owner (or family member of gun owner) mowing down 20 kids for the hell of it is pretty unlikely too.....but it happened.

A gun owner lighting up a theater is unlikely...but it happened.
A gun owner picking off innocent people at a mall is unlikely ...but it happened.
It's not so much that they are gun owners. The vast majority of gun owners would never do something like this- I agree with you on this. But, like in any group, you will have a small percentage of them that are mentally unstable. When dealing with the mentally unsound, it really doesn't matter how likely a given scenario is. It is unlikely to you and I because we are sane. It is impossible to predict the actions of a mentally compromised person- and those actions can be deadly when that person has access to a weapon-gun, knife or whatever at their disposal. I agree that a shooting is generally unlikely but given the sorry state of mental health care in this country and the general high level of emotions on both sides of this argument, it's not as unlikely as it should be.
 
2012-12-25 12:37:52 PM  

muck4doo: They should make the gun owners in that area wear yellow stars, so the decent folk can easily identify them.


Link
 
2012-12-25 12:37:54 PM  
i1121.photobucket.com

NY Murder Map - 2010

i1121.photobucket.com

New York legal gun map, 2012

Anyone notice any correlation here?

Any?
 
2012-12-25 12:38:09 PM  
gun ownership should be mandatory.
 
2012-12-25 12:38:39 PM  

MNMarkPW: I love all the people with GEDs in law from NRA U who think that they have a right to sue over this, as if the newspaper is strictly liable for anything that happens to anyone they report on. Don't like it? Stick to hunting rifles that don't need to be registered; you can still clutch it in your cold dead hands when you're murdered by a government drone during the great defense of the second amendment.


I guess those neighbors kids in the 1 month to 7 year old range are just collateral damage.

If there is anyone who fantasizes about the death of other humans it is progressices/liberals/democrats.
 
2012-12-25 12:38:47 PM  

MNMarkPW: I love all the people with GEDs in law from NRA U who think that they have a right to sue over this, as if the newspaper is strictly liable for anything that happens to anyone they report on. Don't like it? Stick to hunting rifles that don't need to be registered; you can still clutch it in your cold dead hands when you're murdered by a government drone during the great defense of the second amendment.


Some of us have real law degrees, and therefore we know that the malicious publication of public information is a TORT that CAN be sued for. In many places it is also a crime to maliciously publish information for no reason other than harassment. You know all those kids on 4chan who publish people's addresses, names, and numbers? That is DEFINITELY a tort, and most likely a crime in their state.

The newspaper will get away with it though, because they will pull some justification out of their ass.
 
2012-12-25 12:39:22 PM  

Amos Quito: [i1121.photobucket.com image 606x452]

NY Murder Map - 2010

[i1121.photobucket.com image 850x596]

New York legal gun map, 2012

Anyone notice any correlation here?

Any?


People north of the Bronx have better aim?
 
2012-12-25 12:40:14 PM  
This version of the article contains the the following:

"Editor's note: Journal News reporter Dwight R. Worley owns a Smith & Wesson 686 .357 Magnum and has had a residence permit in New York City for that weapon since February 2011."

Dwight R. Worley is the reporter who wrote the story. These gun owners were outed by one of their own.
 
2012-12-25 12:41:52 PM  

Rich Cream: This isn't about guns. This is about taking a volatile situation, wherein people are very upset and angry about something, and these newspeople then "make a list" of the people who are at best obliquely associated with the cause of the anger and upset.

This is instigation to cause trouble. It is as simple as that.


Irresponsible use of First Amendment in response to irresponsible use of Second Amendment.
 
2012-12-25 12:42:20 PM  

muck4doo: They should make the gun owners in that area wear yellow stars, so the decent folk can easily identify them.


static.bbc.co.uk

The maps will come in handy when it comes time to round-up the undesirables.
 
2012-12-25 12:42:40 PM  
This is a good thing.

They should all be treated like registered sex offenders.
 
2012-12-25 12:43:00 PM  
Wow, this is amazing. Some people wonder why gun owners are against registration. This is why. These are not criminals. OK, it's public record there. But should it be? I get that people are deeply upset about the horrible tragedy in Connecticut. And rightly so. Publishing a list of legal gun owners that have done nothing illegal at all is sensationalist journalism, pure and simple. It does nothing to lead us to any kind of irrational debate on the issues.
 
2012-12-25 12:43:03 PM  

PopularFront: This version of the article contains the the following:

"Editor's note: Journal News reporter Dwight R. Worley owns a Smith & Wesson 686 .357 Magnum and has had a residence permit in New York City for that weapon since February 2011."

Dwight R. Worley is the reporter who wrote the story. These gun owners were outed by one of their own.


Did he put his home address in the article?
 
2012-12-25 12:43:16 PM  
People need to stop thinking it's 1960. Any information that is publicly available is going to end up categorized in some database somewhere that is easily accessible.

You shouldn't get mad at Zillow for compiling public information.
You shouldn't get mad at Google maps for compiling public information.
You shouldn't get mad at the endless 'Find Anyone' websites for compiling public information.
etc...etc...

If it's public, it's public.
If we have the technology (and we do) public information is, and will continue to be, easily accessible.

If you have a problem with the newspaper publishing this information you should take it up with the laws that make this information a matter of public record.
 
2012-12-25 12:43:38 PM  
utah dude
gun ownership should be mandatory.

Since we don't have a standing army. Oh, wait.
 
2012-12-25 12:43:58 PM  

Amos Quito: [i1121.photobucket.com image 606x452]

NY Murder Map - 2010

[i1121.photobucket.com image 850x596]

New York legal gun map, 2012

Anyone notice any correlation here?

Any?


correlation does not imply causation


//No real point, just like saying that
 
2012-12-25 12:45:32 PM  

robnelle: clowncar on fire: robnelle: Follow up article:

Mass shooting at The Journal News offices by disgruntled gun owner.

Highly unlikely. More likely- "Several area homes robbed- targeted for weapons and ammunition".

A gun owner (or family member of gun owner) mowing down 20 kids for the hell of it is pretty unlikely too.....but it happened.

A gun owner lighting up a theater is unlikely...but it happened.
A gun owner picking off innocent people at a mall is unlikely ...but it happened.
It's not so much that they are gun owners. The vast majority of gun owners would never do something like this- I agree with you on this. But, like in any group, you will have a small percentage of them that are mentally unstable. When dealing with the mentally unsound, it really doesn't matter how likely a given scenario is. It is unlikely to you and I because we are sane. It is impossible to predict the actions of a mentally compromised person- and those actions can be deadly when that person has access to a weapon-gun, knife or whatever at their disposal. I agree that a shooting is generally unlikely but given the sorry state of mental health care in this country and the general high level of emotions on both sides of this argument, it's not as unlikely as it should be.



And therein lies the problem. Even a much better mental health care system would not have a perfect record as mental illness can be a hard thing to spot. Such individuals and their families are often in denial about it and keep it under the rug - or simply don't realize how ill their family member might be and thus seek inadequate treatment. The sickest of them all are usually very quiet.

Regulating weapons and ammo is more practical. The 2nd amendment may give you the right to bear arms, but it doesn't say a thing about ammo. Tax $20 a bullet and implement a national buyback program for weapons, ammo and accessories. I bet a lot of families that are unhappy with a certain member's gun collection would gladly start bringing them in. In a generation, the number of usable weapons floating around out there would decline dramatically.
 
2012-12-25 12:46:23 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Public records are public. The freedom to access public information and the right to government transparency are even more important to democracy than the freedom to own a firearm.


The government and press shouldn't be allowed to rat on people in an attempt to have them tried in the public eye, outside of court, for the crime of following laws.

Information confidentially given to the government should not be up for public scrutiny. Especially if it threatens the security of an individuals home.
 
2012-12-25 12:46:29 PM  

Brick-House: s2s2s2: Brick-House: There are about 1,300,000 abortions in America each year.

How much is that saving in welfare costs?

Not the point... Publish a interactive map with the name and address of all the women who have had an Abortion and watch the left explode with outrage for invading these poor innocent women's privacy. But it is just fine and dandy to invade the privacy of law abiding citizens for exercising their second amendment right.


No can do, Chumlee. HIPA law experessly prohibits publishing medical information about people. No such law exists to prohibit publishing information about gun fetishists,though.

Not that you gun fetishists give a shiat about law, though. Your guns put you above the law, right? Right?
 
2012-12-25 12:48:21 PM  
0x1a4
... It does nothing to lead us to any kind of irrational debate on the issues.

I assume you meant rational - but - sure it does. Evidenced by this thread right here. The first amendment is designed to air out bad ideas.
 
2012-12-25 12:48:36 PM  

MerelyFoolish: I would have no problem having my name published in the paper as owning guns because:

1. My guns are locked in safes. If someone breaks in my house, they can get the television, the inexpensive jewelry, the silver, etc., but my guns will never end up in the hands of criminals. My guns are also safe from my son and daughter's friends who might get curious when visiting. All gun owners should be responsible and accountable for keeping their guns away from thieves and children. While I am sorry that the whacko in CT's mother was killed, she should have been more responsible with her guns.


Safes are great when preventing a smash and grab. A determined thief who knows he has time will either:
a) get into the safe (not hard - I did this to a DoD safe in under 15 minutes - and only went that slowly so I didn't catch the documents inside on fire):
s3.amazonaws.com

b) carry off the safe and open it at his leisure - growing up, this happened to a friend's dad, while they were away on vacation. They lived in the sticks, and the robbers clearly came with a truck and the knowledge that they had time to ransack the place.

2. The handgun I keep loaded and ready to use is in a separate lockbox that i can access in about 3 seconds from my bed. The lockbox also holds the buckshot for the shotgun under the bed - my weapon of choice for home protection if I have time to load it. Will I ever need to use it? Highly probable that I will not. But the number of home invasions where I live continue to increase, and no one will every rape or kill anyone in my household. We have an excellent police force where I live, but they are very good at solving crimes, not preventing them.

Shotgun under the bed? What happened to always having your guns in safes to keep thieves away from them?

3. Any burglar with any sense (a bit of an oxymoron) would look up their potential victims on the map published by the paper. I cannot imagine they would burglarize a house of a homeowner.

I assume you mean gunowner? And what better way to get a gun, than to rob the unoccupied house of a known gunowner?

4. I would hope the parents who don't want their kids playing in houses with guns would also see the list. If they don't trust their kids to mind my rules, I don't either.

Fair enough - I feel the same way. The parents of my kids' friends know I own (and lock up) my weapons.
 
2012-12-25 12:48:36 PM  
I'm not liking all this gun discussion talk on Fark. I own two guns and shoot them maybe once a year just for farksake. It's for home-defense. I don't jizz in the barrel or plan on taking arms up against the government. They're just there and I'm a responsible owner. I understand the importance and dangers of guns but I don't understand the people who wants to ban all guns? Yeah, they're dangerous. That's the point. No one is denying that a gun isn't dangerous, that's why most gun owners take safety courses. Hell, for some states, safety courses are mandatory for licenses.

I just don't even know. Most gun owners don't even see their guns for months at a time because there's never a use for them. Some hope there won't be. Use your brain America. Can't rely on the police for immediate assistance. Sometimes you have to defend yourself once in a while.
 
2012-12-25 12:48:42 PM  

Ima4nic8or: I dont have a problem with this. Its good to know where the paranoid loonies are so that you can avoid them and their houses. They may not want the info out there but its much like the sex offender registries. I am sure those folks dont like their names out there either, but lets face it, the info is not being put out there for their benefit. It is for all the sane folks that want to avoid them.


LOL. Nice troll. 8/10 minimum.
 
2012-12-25 12:49:21 PM  
Hey, I wanna shoot people, but the government won't let me have guns. But the Smiths on Jefferson have guns and like their Sunday family movie night.

Doesn't the public have the right to know everything?
 
2012-12-25 12:50:37 PM  
Non-story.

Burglars don't read the newspaper, nor does anyone.
 
2012-12-25 12:50:47 PM  

RobDownSouth: Not that you gun fetishists give a shiat about law, though. Your guns put you above the law, right? Right?


The ones on this list registered their firearms. If they didn't give a shiat, they woudn't have done that, huh.
 
2012-12-25 12:52:26 PM  

Amos Quito: [i1121.photobucket.com image 606x452]

NY Murder Map - 2010

[i1121.photobucket.com image 850x596]

New York legal gun map, 2012

Anyone notice any correlation here?

Any?


overlaid for you:

img405.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-25 12:52:39 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: doglover: Generation_D: I could see this backfiring.

Case an address, doublecheck the list. Not on the gun owners' registry? Easy pickins for a home invasion. They won't shoot back.

Or, I can pick an address that *is* listed, wait until no one is home, and then walk out with some firearms that will sell very nicely on the black market.

The vast majority of burglars operate when the home is vacant, something your vaunted guns will do nothing to protect against.


Vaunted
 
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