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2012-12-25 11:53:46 AM

clane: david_gaithersburg: I'd be lawyering up pretty damn quick. The government of Richmond, VA got its ass handed to them on a silver platter when they released the same information. The government has your SocSec No., that doesn't mean its open to requests from the public.

This is also one of the many reason's its completely unconstitutional for any government to compile such information. And before the typical farktards go off, "shall not infringe" fark you.


No Fark you!!... Yes what we all need is not less government in our lives but more lawyers... you sir are a typical big government loving liberal democrat idiot!


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The full blown batshiat crazy fear from the wannabe fascist progressives proves that the the second amendment works.
 
2012-12-25 11:54:21 AM

RexTalionis: I am under no delusion that I have an expectation of privacy in my public records.


It's not just the expectation of privacy. It's also the ease of access to that information.

I believe one of the arguments in favor of ANPR devices is basically what you say, isn't it? That you have no expectation of privacy in your public records.  So I guess that makes it okay for the police or newspaper to put up ANPR devices all over town and then track and maybe broadcasting every trip you or anyone in town makes?

(Hell, maybe you and I should do that as a private company, and gather information on consumer shopping trips, duration, frequency, destinations per neighborhood -- I bet there's a zillion VC bucks in doing that.)

Or here:

When GPS Tracking Violates Privacy Rights

For the right to personal privacy to survive in America in this digital age, courts must be meticulous in applying longstanding privacy protections to new technology. This did not happen in an unfortunate

The case concerned a drug conviction based on information about the defendant's location that the government acquired from a cellphone he carried on a three-day road trip in a motor home. The data, apparently obtained with a phone company's help, led to a warrantless search of the motor home and the seizure of incriminating evidence.

The majority opinion held that there was no constitutional violation of the defendant's rights because he "did not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the data given off by his voluntarily procured pay-as-you-go cellphone."
 
2012-12-25 11:55:03 AM

BizarreMan: I live in the south. I go under the assumption that I am the only one in my neighborhood who doesn't own a gun.


This.

But I live in Utah.

Wait a second.....guns cause crime. I must be dead.
 
2012-12-25 11:55:24 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com

The question is not whether you can own a gun...because you can.

What you can't do is own ANY gun you want. A gun is a commercial product. It can be regulated, controlled, recalled, restricted...just like any other commercial product.

I for one am not going to sit here and listen to you badMOUTH sensible gun restrictions. Gentlemen!
 
2012-12-25 11:55:47 AM

Cuchulane: david_gaithersburg: Pav: Public records are public! Oh the horror!

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The government has your, address, DOB, SocSec number, and Checking account information. Public information, correct?

I don't think you understand the concept of public records.


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I don't think I know you fail at reading comprehension.
 
2012-12-25 11:55:58 AM
Editorial staff meeting beforehand:

"Dammit, Lois, there has to be a way to make another dime off of those dead kids, and I want you ON IT!"
 
2012-12-25 11:56:32 AM
I think this topic is ripe of a little vigilante stuff too. I'd loveto be rich enough to travel around the country as a sniper and take out gun nuts who threaten people, gang bangers, cops who get off with murder on the job, and other dangerous elements. Live by the gun, die by the gone.

I also believe no-knock warrants should be outlawed, or at minimum, I should have the right to shoot first and ask questions later.
 
2012-12-25 11:57:42 AM
Wow, the biases here are really on display. Nobody has the right to know who owns what - including cars and guns. This paper hates gun owners so much they thought this would be OK. Enjoy the payback, biatches.
 
2012-12-25 11:57:49 AM

Hamanu: I would think that the reason people are pissed off is because thieves are going to be targeting gun owner's houses to steal their guns.


Are they going to pick the lock on the gun safe, or carry the whole thing away on their backs??
 
2012-12-25 11:58:19 AM
Hey mods, can we get some trigger warnings on this article? Was just video skyping with BongBoy69 and he just bit the tip of his own tongue off after reading it. He totally went off half-cocked and started screaming racial epithets about Obama and how kickstarter will be sorry they never allowed his zombie mmporg to succeed.
 
2012-12-25 11:58:40 AM
Class action lawsuit.
 
2012-12-25 11:59:24 AM

halB: Oh thank god!

As a fellow Pro-Rights person, I was thinking that guns had been taking a pretty hard rap lately. But this idiotic act should be enough to stop this whole silly debate.


A newspaper doing something many other newspapers have done many times before is going to knock the mass murder of twenty 5 and 6 year olds out of the news? Uh, no.

As others have pointed out, when newspapers have done this previously, sometimes "fellow Pro-Rights persons" have published information on those reporters kids. This sort of thing generally doesn't work out well for the gun rights crowd.

Because your brain may not be wired like the rest of us, I'll explain this clearly. Publishing information already in the public record does not even begin to begin to begin to equate to the mass murder of twenty little kids.
 
2012-12-25 12:00:07 PM

Amos Quito: [i1121.photobucket.com image 850x596]

So, if the hysterical Gun-Grabbers are right, a map showing gun-related crimes should correlate very closely to the above.


The dots on Manhattan are probably bodyguards for liberal celebrities. You know, the ones like Michael Moore that have armed guards but then go on TV and say poor people should not have guns.
 
2012-12-25 12:00:12 PM

david_gaithersburg: Cuchulane: david_gaithersburg: Pav: Public records are public! Oh the horror!

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The government has your, address, DOB, SocSec number, and Checking account information. Public information, correct?

I don't think you understand the concept of public records.

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I don't think I know you fail at reading comprehension.


So what was your point then? Three out of the four things you listed are information held by the government, but are not public records. Your address is a public record if you have registered a deed. What did I miss?
 
2012-12-25 12:03:30 PM

Cuchulane: david_gaithersburg: Cuchulane: david_gaithersburg: Pav: Public records are public! Oh the horror!

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The government has your, address, DOB, SocSec number, and Checking account information. Public information, correct?

I don't think you understand the concept of public records.

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I don't think I know you fail at reading comprehension.

So what was your point then? Three out of the four things you listed are information held by the government, but are not public records. Your address is a public record if you have registered a deed. What did I miss?


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Oh good lord. My point is based on your logic three of those four things should also be available to the public.
 
2012-12-25 12:04:59 PM

Dear Jerk: As a fan of everything in the bill of rights, I find this hilarious. As strident as some gun owners can be about their rights, they tend to lose sight of free speech and what bits of information should be public knowledge. After all, when you ban lists of gun owners, only outlaws will have lists of gun owners.

/we're getting carried away with privacy rights at the expense of the public good.
//It takes nerve for a newspaper to do this. They will lose more revenue than they will gain.


Several states require the destruction of all records on gun ownership after 7 days or so of the records being created. They also ban the creation of records in certain circumstances. For a good reason why, watch Red Dawn. Or this, this right here.
 
2012-12-25 12:06:41 PM
"We are decent, caring people who have an overwhelming hatred of guns. By publishing this information, we put your family at risk of having your home burglarized, maybe your spouse gets killed, maybe your children are raped . . . well dumbass, you should not keep guns in your house! Will your guns protect you now? Tough shiat for you, Mr. Gun-lover. If only you had thought of the children!" -- The No Guns For A Better America Coalition of Non-Violence and Happiness
 
2012-12-25 12:06:58 PM
I've lived my life by very few rules, but one of them has always been "Don't piss off crazy people who own guns". I'm betting at least two of the people on that list are certifiable. Possibly more.

//At least they wont have to go far for their next story.
 
2012-12-25 12:07:17 PM

Anonymocoso: BizarreMan: I live in the south. I go under the assumption that I am the only one in my neighborhood who doesn't own a gun.

This.

But I live in Utah.

Wait a second.....guns cause crime. I must be dead.


You live in Utah. You only wish you were dead.
 
2012-12-25 12:07:32 PM

david_gaithersburg: Pav: Public records are public! Oh the horror!

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The government has your, address, DOB, SocSec number, and Checking account information. Public information, correct?


While we are at it, add income tax records to the list!
 
2012-12-25 12:08:41 PM

RandomRandom: halB: Oh thank god!

As a fellow Pro-Rights person, I was thinking that guns had been taking a pretty hard rap lately. But this idiotic act should be enough to stop this whole silly debate.

A newspaper doing something many other newspapers have done many times before is going to knock the mass murder of twenty 5 and 6 year olds out of the news? Uh, no.

As others have pointed out, when newspapers have done this previously, sometimes "fellow Pro-Rights persons" have published information on those reporters kids. This sort of thing generally doesn't work out well for the gun rights crowd.

Because your brain may not be wired like the rest of us, I'll explain this clearly. Publishing information already in the public record does not even begin to begin to begin to equate to the mass murder of twenty little kids.


So when the thieves break into 20 houses, and murder 20 children sleeping inside, what about then?

Think very carefully of your answer, for I am setting a trap for your "logic."
 
2012-12-25 12:08:51 PM

fredklein: Hamanu: I would think that the reason people are pissed off is because thieves are going to be targeting gun owner's houses to steal their guns.

Are they going to pick the lock on the gun safe, or carry the whole thing away on their backs??


No gun safe is impenetrable. At most, a safe deters a thief looking for a quick smash and grab. A thief who has access to my house and knows I am not due home could probably cut his way into my safe in under a half an hour, using the tools in my garage. The safe merely lets him know where all my guns are.
 
2012-12-25 12:08:52 PM

Amos Quito: [i1121.photobucket.com image 850x596]

So, if the hysterical Gun-Grabbers are right, a map showing gun-related crimes should correlate very closely to the above.

Red areas: High gun crime.
Non-red: Crime Free Zones.

Right?


Or perhaps there is high gun ownership in those high crime areas because people want to be able to defend themselves. Which came first, the high crime rate or the high gun ownership rate?
 
2012-12-25 12:08:56 PM
Ooh. Depending on how the politics flies, this could have some far reaching consequences.

Oh, and if I were a smart thief, I would be doing my homework on which one of those residences aren't paying attention.
 
2012-12-25 12:09:23 PM
I dont have a problem with this. Its good to know where the paranoid loonies are so that you can avoid them and their houses. They may not want the info out there but its much like the sex offender registries. I am sure those folks dont like their names out there either, but lets face it, the info is not being put out there for their benefit. It is for all the sane folks that want to avoid them.
 
2012-12-25 12:11:41 PM

robnelle: Follow up article:

Mass shooting at The Journal News offices by disgruntled gun owner.


Highly unlikely. More likely- "Several area homes robbed- targeted for weapons and ammunition".

I don't agree with publishing the names contained in public records. There is a lot of information that we are required to provide as a matter of record, but it is not necessary for this information to be made public other than by necessity- such as the transfer of property that may be contested or information that may affect the public's well being-- otherwise, the information need be deemed as need to know.

If i need to know whether my immediate neighbors or my child's friends have guns in the home- that info should be made available out of concern for my child's possible access to a weapon. If I'm just out to expose who possesses guns, I better have a compelling reason to publish specific names and addresses as opposesd to generalized info like gun types and numbers.
 
2012-12-25 12:12:19 PM
Oh, gawd. I despise the gun worshiping mentality as much as the next gun grabbing libby lib derpty doo but this is bullsh*t.

That's it, America. You've jumped the shark. Perhaps it's time for the US to be annexed by Canada so your country can be run by adults again.

Sickening.
 
2012-12-25 12:12:55 PM

italie: I've lived my life by very few rules, but one of them has always been "Don't piss off crazy people who own guns". I'm betting at least two of the people on that list are certifiable. Possibly more.

//At least they wont have to go far for their next story.



This is what I think is kind of amusing (in a dark way) about the NRA's "registry of mentally ill" - such a thing, well administered and cautious in defining 'too ill to own a gun', would likely disqualify many of their members.
 
2012-12-25 12:13:06 PM
Hey, lets next publish the name and address of all the women out there who have had an Abortion.

While there are about 30,000 gun related deaths in America each year. A number that has been decreasing by the way. There are about 1,300,000 abortions in America each year.

And while everyone should be outraged and saddened by the killing of the Sandy Hook school children we should also be saddened and outraged by the killing of babies...

www.philipbrocoum.com
 
2012-12-25 12:13:28 PM

BizarreMan: Anonymocoso: BizarreMan: I live in the south. I go under the assumption that I am the only one in my neighborhood who doesn't own a gun.


You live in Utah. You only wish you were dead.


Usually, yes, but not today.

/Foot of fresh powder, FTW
 
2012-12-25 12:14:19 PM
Oh yes, I forgot, the people at ABC News are fricken idiots! Just sayin.
 
2012-12-25 12:14:30 PM

Ima4nic8or: I dont have a problem with this. Its good to know where the paranoid loonies are so that you can avoid them and their houses. They may not want the info out there but its much like the sex offender registries. I am sure those folks dont like their names out there either, but lets face it, the info is not being put out there for their benefit. It is for all the sane folks that want to avoid them.


Well this is about what is legal to do. It is legal to own a gun, if you go through the proper channels. It is legal to print their names. It is also legal to get an abortion, if you go through the proper channels. Perhaps the names of anyone that has had an abortion should be made public, so men will know which women are less likely to attempt the pregnancy trap?
 
2012-12-25 12:14:37 PM
I'd be more concerned if I didn't own a gun! When the criminal is checking to see who's naughty or nice, I'm sure they would prefer to hit a house without a gun in it.
 
2012-12-25 12:15:18 PM

Ima4nic8or: I dont have a problem with this. Its good to know where the paranoid loonies are so that you can avoid them and their houses. They may not want the info out there but its much like the sex offender registries. I am sure those folks dont like their names out there either, but lets face it, the info is not being put out there for their benefit. It is for all the sane folks that want to avoid them.


Not every gun owner is an irresponsible lunatic and claiming that is the case is not helping the cause.

If you lump in the responsible gun owners who are willing to work on fixing things in with the sh*theads you will only ostracize them.

Why the f*ck can't you people THINK and work TOGETHER to solve your issues?! You're tearing the damned country apart!
 
2012-12-25 12:15:43 PM

david_gaithersburg: Cuchulane: david_gaithersburg: Cuchulane: david_gaithersburg: Pav: Public records are public! Oh the horror!

.
The government has your, address, DOB, SocSec number, and Checking account information. Public information, correct?

I don't think you understand the concept of public records.

.
I don't think I know you fail at reading comprehension.

So what was your point then? Three out of the four things you listed are information held by the government, but are not public records. Your address is a public record if you have registered a deed. What did I miss?

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Oh good lord. My point is based on your logic three of those four things should also be available to the public.


Then your point is horribly made and senseless.
Pav made the point that the newspaper published records that are available to the public, so there wasn't much to do or say about it. In applying for a license in that jurisdiction you acknowledge that your license and address information will be made available to the public.
You seem to be stating the fallacy that anyone who agrees that public information can be published must also agree that any information held by the government should be made public. So either you are not able to understand the distinction, or are making an invalid and senseless argument for some silly reason.
 
2012-12-25 12:16:03 PM

Brick-House: There are about 1,300,000 abortions in America each year.


How much is that saving in welfare costs?
 
2012-12-25 12:16:37 PM
Offtopic, but relevant to my interests:

Bit'O'Gristle: ...burgle...


Thank you. Not every word needs to be -ized
 
2012-12-25 12:17:04 PM
Why would anyone register a gun after this?
 
2012-12-25 12:17:24 PM

Brick-House: And while everyone should be outraged and saddened by the killing of the Sandy Hook school children we should also be saddened and outraged by the killing of babies...


Uh-huh.

Funny, when Herod got jealous that a new King of the Jews had been born, he planned to kill all male children under two years old in Bethlehem to ensure the death of that baby. God sent a vision to Joseph, telling him to flee to Egypt with the newborn Jesus in order to keep Jesus safe, then sat idly by while Herod ordered his soldiers to kill every farkin' baby in the entire city.

Merry Christmas! See you next Passover!
 
2012-12-25 12:17:55 PM

ParaHandy: Satanic_Hamster: While I'm all for openness in government, why the hell are those public records?

Why the hell is the list of cars I own available?


I want a list of where all the young nubile children live as well as their school schedules. It's public records, after all.
 
2012-12-25 12:18:18 PM
Gun nuts, ready to violently overthrow the government at a moments notice, piss their pants when a local newspaper points at them.. And here I thought they've been claiming to be so brave and prepared for opposition.
 
2012-12-25 12:18:55 PM

s2s2s2: Brick-House: There are about 1,300,000 abortions in America each year.

How much is that saving in welfare costs?


That's racest
 
2012-12-25 12:19:24 PM
Second Amendment, meet First Amendment.
 
2012-12-25 12:19:55 PM

Mentalpatient87: Gun nuts, ready to violently overthrow the government at a moments notice, piss their pants when a local newspaper points at them.. And here I thought they've been claiming to be so brave and prepared for opposition.


So says the mental patient.
 
2012-12-25 12:19:56 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: then sat idly by


That's some good, inadvertent accuracy. I guess you believe one man CAN stop an army.
 
2012-12-25 12:20:18 PM

halB: So when the thieves break into 20 houses, and murder 20 children sleeping inside, what about then?

Think very carefully of your answer, for I am setting a trap for your "logic."


You believe thieves are A. smart enough or - B. stupid enough to break into homes with known gun ownership?

The answer is C. Home burglars are generally junkies. Junkies don't read the newspaper. The answer is C because this will have no impact.
 
2012-12-25 12:20:36 PM

amquelbettamin: That's racest


At least it's not racest to the bottom.
 
2012-12-25 12:20:45 PM
Oh oh oh. I want a list published of where every politician and cop lives.
 
2012-12-25 12:21:21 PM

tylerdurden217: What's next? Registering knives? Then they will make us register baseball bats. Then maybe our Laser Tag blasters. The next thing you know Hitler/Stalin/Pol Pot is marching down Main Street.

Wake up people. Second Amendment!

/derp


England has done exactly that. It's illegal for a person under 18 to own a knife longer than 3 1/4" and all knives longer have to be registered. They have also recently banned cricket bats in public.
England, as well as Canada also doesn't have this one document that we treasure so greatly called a constitution. The only civil rights they have are the ones the government deems they are worthy of. But they're groomed from birth to accept that the government is there to spoonfeed you everything you need, so they just accept it.
England has 1/5 the the population of the US and their Violent crime is 4x ours. Yeah, the anti gunners spout the gun stats, but completely leave out that little tidbit.
 
2012-12-25 12:22:36 PM

s2s2s2: Lenny_da_Hog: then sat idly by

That's some good, inadvertent accuracy. I guess you believe one man CAN stop an army.


Do you remember sentence diagrams?
 
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