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2012-12-25 10:11:54 AM

sblafren: http://mobile.slate.com/blogs/crime/20 12/12/18/bath_school_bombing_rem embering_the_deadliest_school_massacre _in_american.html

Mentally unstable people will kill with what they have on hand. But they will kill. You cannot ban all weapons and gaurantee public security at all times. Stop promising it to people... Either by disarming them or arming them. Both the liberals and the NRA are wrong.

Think you CAN gaurantee security, if you disarm the people enough? Ala Saudi Arabia? Look at Lybia, Syria, or Iran. You will have to regularly repress the people and/or kill them in far more numbers than irresponsible or illegal gun use leads to in America today.

Whether the public is armed or not, it is not NRA nuts, CCP afficianadios or hunters that we are really worried about. It is crazy people. With guns. Or knives (china last week), or swords (uk today), or dynamite (us 80 yeas ago). What we need is not gun control but crazy control. More mental health services not more gun regulation.

And yes. It's hard for an American civilian to take on the US Army with an AR15. But can the 1mil man army, half of which are desk clerks, take on 100 million civilians with Glocks and AR15s? Not easily. Might stall the government long enough to come to their senses. Maybe not. But gotta love having a fighting chance.

Still, all this worry of gun violence... You are much more likely to die in a car accident or from Cancer.


Your rational thoughts will NOT be tolerated in this thread. I bid you good day sir!
 
2012-12-25 10:18:28 AM

treecologist: "Woman seriously hurt" vs. 20+ people dead.

I'll take it, subby.


The catch is you have to eat British food.

/need a ride to the airport?
 
2012-12-25 10:18:40 AM
At least the Brits don't let the police have arms that they are not allowed to possess.   Americans just want to ban weapons for the civilians.
 
2012-12-25 10:23:11 AM
I was wondering why they called this a samurai sword. Japanese swords with curved blades are illegal in the UK. Traditional English swords are not illegal. So farking stupid.
 
2012-12-25 10:26:22 AM

Jarhead_h: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 468x636]
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1196941/The-violent-country-E u rope-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S.html


Different countries have different definitions of "violent crime".
Film at 11.
 
2012-12-25 10:29:29 AM

Triumph: In a monarchy, this is the limit of allowable technology in private hands. Doesn't matter whether you're the monarch of North Korea or Britain; the peasantry needs to be kept as defenseless as possible.


Aww how cute, you think that our small arms keep the government's tanks, bombers, and artillery in check!
 
2012-12-25 10:35:39 AM

badhatharry: I was wondering why they called this a samurai sword. Japanese swords with curved blades are illegal in the UK. Traditional English swords are not illegal. So farking stupid.


Was going to say this. Looking at the photo, I don't even see Japanese-style swords there. I just see the machete next to what looks like a couple of straight-edge swords. Didn't know that traditional English swords were still allowed. I don't think they'd be any less dangerous.
 
2012-12-25 10:35:48 AM

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: KrispyKritter: ignorance is bliss, subby. folks in Britain can have firearms, they just use them for hunting animals as they are intended.

Except the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting and EVERYTHING to do with a violent revolution to topple the government.

Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States.
Noah Webster

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
Thomas Jefferson

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
- Thomas Jefferson


LOL you have a lot of faith in your country peeps - besides you are NOT allowed to be armed with a TANK or an A10, so keep living your delusions, the people of the usoa cannot defend themselves from their government :p if you have assault rifles, then they have a APC :p
 
2012-12-25 10:37:24 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: Triumph: In a monarchy, this is the limit of allowable technology in private hands. Doesn't matter whether you're the monarch of North Korea or Britain; the peasantry needs to be kept as defenseless as possible.

Aww how cute, you think that our small arms keep the government's tanks, bombers, and artillery in check!


The civilians are in charge in America. That's why the president, Secretary of Defense, etc. must be civilians.  It is important that the civilians and military remember that.  Even if the right to bear arms is symbolic, it is a good reminder of who supposedly is in charge.
 
2012-12-25 10:37:37 AM

Ready-set: fusillade762: AverageAmericanGuy: Holloway Road sword attack - 1 victim

Injured. Not killed, even.

Really? Do you guys know what IED means? Anyone can build a bomb with a trip to Home Depot and $20.

And if the FBI is watching: God bless America.

Outlaw something that already exists and you get a black market where only the worst have access.

Not unlike abortion. It's sad and awful. And it has to stay legal and safe. Good people shouldn't lose rights because of the dregs. And if it isn't obvious, I'm pro-choice because women deserve the right.


HEHE if you are a troll.

But I doubt it so you are now on the wanker list.
 
2012-12-25 10:40:22 AM

CreativeFarkHandle: badhatharry: I was wondering why they called this a samurai sword. Japanese swords with curved blades are illegal in the UK. Traditional English swords are not illegal. So farking stupid.

Was going to say this. Looking at the photo, I don't even see Japanese-style swords there. I just see the machete next to what looks like a couple of straight-edge swords. Didn't know that traditional English swords were still allowed. I don't think they'd be any less dangerous.


I had to look it up. I think it is similar to our assault weapons ban. They ban the weapon of choice of psychos even though it makes no logical sense.
 
2012-12-25 10:43:40 AM

Vegetative reproduction: So you gun owners are all doomsday preppers? Do you also store food and medical supplies? After all, an army marches on its stomach.


No, but my gun-hating neighbors do, which is just as good.

/which of us do you think is going to go hungry?
//a smart person would think twice about joining a revolution that mandates destroying the status quo that protects them
///but like I said, they hate guns
 
2012-12-25 10:47:11 AM

The One True TheDavid: A two foot long samurai sword?

[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x382]
Paging Therion or another expert: please identify that piece of metal?


Could be a wakizashi
 
2012-12-25 10:47:20 AM
When the time comes I know a lot of fitters and turners (and prop makers ;) who can provide me with as much SMALL arms as I like. And gun powder is not exactly rocket science (though it did lead to it.)

So I do not really need a weapon right this second, in fact it could be dangerous to me because I have a bird sitting on my arm and she could set it off :D

And if I did happen to need a weapon right this moment, I would firstly throw the bird at them (Australian Magpie) then follow it up with a stubbie, before grabbing my luvly replica of King Lionheart's sword that is within reaching distance.
 
2012-12-25 10:54:40 AM
Oh, look. One injured in an attack on one person.

Meanwhile, in America, two killed plus the gunman and two injured in an ambush on volunteer firefighters.

But, no, I'm sure the gun nuts have a point and that the only part of any proposed solution to gun violence that doesn't make sense is controlling the prevalence of guns.
 
2012-12-25 11:06:47 AM

cameroncrazy1984: When was the last time a pool killed 26 children at once?


Pools are more like serial killers than spree killers.
 
2012-12-25 11:07:19 AM

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: OddLlama: AverageAmericanGuy: OddLlama: In all the gun threads I've read lately, there are those who insist that the second amendment is to insure protection for citizens against tyrannical governments. What I have never heard addressed is the army commanded by that government.are these people implying that our soldiers would take up arms against their families and friends in order to give power to a few in Washington? Do they not trust and support our troops? Why have I never heard this addressed?

http://www.history.com/topics/american-civil-war

So, in case Obama tries to free the slaves?

The very fact that you think the Civil War was about freeing the slaves tells me you know NOTHING about U.S. History and any of your thoughts on why we have the 2nd Amendment is complete garbage.


Oh wow, of course someone spewing the unenlightened opinions you have been would assert that the Civil War was not about slavery. The experts - historians with Ph.D.s who have spend their entire adult lives analyzing the Civil War -- agree that it was, given the primary evidence of what was discussed among Southern leaders and at secession conventions. Thus the issue is settled. Then there are uneducated internet loudmouths who argue otherwise.

If you hadn't already, you just made everything you assert even less credible.
 
2012-12-25 11:09:42 AM

Ready-set: fusillade762: AverageAmericanGuy: Holloway Road sword attack - 1 victim

Injured. Not killed, even.

Outlaw something that already exists and you get a black market where only the worst have access.




So, you're saying drugs should be legal? After all, banning drugs only created a black market.
 
2012-12-25 11:12:30 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Holloway Road sword attack - 1 injured victim

Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting - 26 victims dead

I don't know how you can reconcile the fact that guns are far more lethal on a per-incident basis than any other weapon.


FTFA
 
2012-12-25 11:17:52 AM
Good thing the lady didn't have a gun: yay?
 
2012-12-25 11:22:28 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Holloway Road sword attack - 1 victim

Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting - 26 victims

I don't know how you can reconcile the fact that guns are far more lethal on a per-incident basis than any other weapon.


I'm glad you decided this now, in light of the second most deadly school shooting in American history, and not the first. It doesn't make you sound like a complete fraud at all.
 
2012-12-25 11:23:01 AM

mithras_angel: http://ftf-comics.com/?comic=obammer-part-1



Left Wing Bed-Wetter Comics. Got it.
 
2012-12-25 11:26:08 AM
Oh wow, Michael Moore said:
And here's the dirty little fact none of us liberals want to discuss: The killer only ceased his slaughter when he saw that cops were swarming onto the school grounds -- i.e, the men with the guns. When he saw the guns a-coming, he stopped the bloodshed and killed himself. Guns on police officers prevented another 20 or 40 or 100 deaths from happening. Guns sometimes work.

huffpo
 
2012-12-25 11:26:27 AM

cameroncrazy1984: When was the last time a pool killed 26 children at once?


cameroncrazy1984: advocate for action on the second most deadly school shooting in American history, but has little to say on the first.

Emotionally driven fraud, or just happens to put his foot down the SECOND time something happens?

You decide.
 
2012-12-25 11:33:52 AM
I'll never understand why Britain paints those squiggly lines on their streets. I think their lane paint guy has been down the pub too long.
 
2012-12-25 11:36:47 AM

mithras_angel: For all the "Obama is coming for our gunz" whackjobs here on FARK (you know who you are):

http://ftf-comics.com/?comic=obammer-part-1


Read that and the next two days of comics.


That part about don't bother burying yer gunz was stupid as shiat. Obviously buried gunz iz moar secyur.
 
2012-12-25 11:38:41 AM
OMG. All those weapons! What a horrible thing to happen!

His alleged victim, who suffered stab wounds to the legs arms and face is said to be in a serious but not life threatening condition in hospital.

Somehow that doesn't sound the same as "several killed, several injured in gun spree."

Fark has become nothing but a troll site. Everyone of us manipulated daily by these kinds of headlines so Drew can make more money. Merry Christmas, Drew.
 
2012-12-25 11:43:46 AM
Coulda cured that quick with 1200 feet per second, but noooo.

Piers Morgan giddy with sweaty delight
 
2012-12-25 11:50:58 AM
One person hurt vs. 26 people dead? Clearly those Brits have a lot to learn from America (i.e. guns are a much more efficient weapon to use for mass killings)

I love these recent spat of stories that are being used to try and establish how the nuts going on a rampage phenonmen is a worldwide issue even though this story (and the one about the recent attack on China) actually support the position of gun control advocates. Nutcases are dangerous but nutcases with easy access to guns are deadly
 
2012-12-25 11:51:14 AM

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: KrispyKritter: ignorance is bliss, subby. folks in Britain can have firearms, they just use them for hunting animals as they are intended.

Except the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting and EVERYTHING to do with a violent revolution to topple the government.

Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States.
Noah Webster

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
Thomas Jefferson

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
- Thomas Jefferson


Cherry-picked quotes are cherry-picked.

1. The Constitution did not include a poison pill that preserved the right to revolution against Constitutional government. The right to "bear arms" (e.g. serve in the ranks of the militia) was preserved so that the federal government couldn't prevent the states from keeping their own bodies of troops to prevent/put down slave rebellions. Notice that nearly all the quotes about counterbalancing standing armies come from Virginians and other Southerners.

2. The founders WERE worried about standing armies becoming a political force that could be misused by a tyrant. We got less and less worried about that over the decades and centuries. Today, the standing army is absolutely powerful, and no civilian uprising or rebellion by state troops could do more than annoy it a little. Fortunately, the standing army has been kept well clear of politics.
 
2012-12-25 11:52:55 AM

LeftOfLiberal: simkatu: GB has like 36 gun deaths a year to our 15000 our whatever obscene number it is, even though they are 1/6 the size. Gun control works there. Even police are discouraged from carrying. However its too late for the US to institute gun control like that. We have 300 million guns out there. It's not possible to get those returned. There are sensible things we can do to help things, like refusing to sell to just released mental patients or to folks that don't have any training in gun safety.

I think you under estimate the power of a generous gun buy back.


The shop is buying them back? What's with the term "buy-back?" The government didn't sell them to me in the first place, so they can't buy them back. A gun buy-back is really a "turn-in."

What if they're not for sale?
 
2012-12-25 11:54:15 AM

Mock26: CthulhuCalling: simkatu: JSam21: Enigmamf: Terrifying how he was able to kill 26 helpless school children before being subdued, with narry a semiautomatic military-style rifle in sight.

Wait, he wasn't? So... How many DID he kill?

Oh... none?

Huh.

May I ask what makes a rifle or any weapon "military style"

Some guns are meant to kill ducks. Some quail. Others kill deer, elk, bears. Some are designed mainly to kill humans in large numbers. Those are military style weapons. Normal folks don't hunt with AR15s with 100 round magazines.

Hint: nobody hunts with 100 round mags. Weapons that are designed to 'kill humans in large numbers' are reserved almost exclusively for the military. An AR15 is a semiautomatic weapon that happens to have a visual similarity to certain military weapons. You're scared of how something looks.

This. A million times this.


Saying something a million times doesn't make it any less stupid.
 
2012-12-25 11:57:35 AM

lj1330: I just love the argument "having guns keeps us from being over run by tyranny". Last I heard, Australia was not run by tyrants...How about those awfull Brits? Don't even get me started on those crazy Canadians!


Lost points with Canada. Have you been following what Harper has been doing?
 
2012-12-25 12:11:50 PM
Damn another anti-gun / gun thread.

cdn.uproxx.com
 
2012-12-25 12:17:06 PM

OscarTamerz: Switzerland, where the government passes out Sig Sauer pistols and machine guns to the citizens, has a much lower murder rate than the UK with the UK murder rate being about 50% higher. So much for guns causing murders.


Japan, where the government doesn't hand out Sig Sauers and machine guns to the citizens, has a much lower murder rate than Switzerland, with the Swiss murder rate being more than 100% higher. So much for guns preventing murder.
 
2012-12-25 12:22:35 PM

OddLlama: In all the gun threads I've read lately, there are those who insist that the second amendment is to insure protection for citizens against tyrannical governments. What I have never heard addressed is the army commanded by that government.are these people implying that our soldiers would take up arms against their families and friends in order to give power to a few in Washington? Do they not trust and support our troops? Why have I never heard this addressed?


Agreed to in one of our (U.S.) trilateral agreements with Canada and Mexico - if one country has severe domestic unrest - military from the other two countries will be used to 'subdue' it.
This was put in place because soldiers shouldn't be expected to draw arms against their countrymen.

So yeah. It's been addressed.
 
2012-12-25 12:28:55 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Holloway Road sword attack - 1 victim

Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting - 26 victims

I don't know how you can reconcile the fact that guns are far more lethal on a per-incident basis than any other weapon.


Some folks in New York and Oklahoma City would like to have a word with you.
 
2012-12-25 12:33:14 PM

kombat_unit: Oh wow, Michael Moore said:


The only people in this debate refusing to acknowledge the entire scope of the problem are the gun nuts who refuse to recognize the fact that the only way a murderous lunatic can't shoot someone is if they don't have a gun, so I'm not sure why you seem surprised.

Armed guards at soft targets? Okay, let's talk about it, but let's not ignore the repeatedly-proven fact that they can't always stop a shooter in time to prevent significant loss of life.

Expanded mental health support? Absolutely. There are tons of reasons besides mass shooters to do that.

But close the gun show/private sale loophole, restrict the destructive power of the available weapons, require people to undergo more stringent background checks (since states aren't even required to send mental health evaluation results to the database for inclusion) and just generally try to make it harder for lunatics to get hold of them and harder for them to wrack up mass body counts if they do?

Well clearly THAT's the one thing that certainly won't work at all for unspecified reasons so we shouldn't even be talking about it.
 
2012-12-25 12:39:21 PM

kmmontandon: phrawgh:
Driving is a privilege, not a right.


So is voting, but last I checked, there were some pretty hefty restrictions on exercising that right.

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: KrispyKritter: ignorance is bliss, subby. folks in Britain can have firearms, they just use them for hunting animals as they are intended.

Except the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting and EVERYTHING to do with a violent revolution to topple the government.


The Second Amendment was written in a time when hastily summoned militias had a hope of weapons parity and training with regular soldiery. That time has long passed. As has the time when we have to worry about a foreign power restricting our rights - we aren't a colony any more.


As a gun owner I wish the 2nd amendment drum beaters would see this flaw in the whole "protect ourselves against tyranny " argument. IF that argument held true, you and I should be legally allowed to buy and arm an F22 and an M1 Abrams and all types of helicopter gunships and surface to air missiles.....
Do we really think that civilians owning current military hardware is the right thing to do? Because that is what it would take to achieve weapons parity with the US military.

I don't think I need a tank and I DO NOT think the 2nd amendment applies to our day and times. It needs to be rewritten. ( I also don't think that banning guns will stop crazy people from doing awful things nor will arming elementary school principals. Bans on firearms are not the answer)
 
2012-12-25 12:40:57 PM

Mock26: Pointy Tail of Satan: No one needs a semi-auto assault rifle that besides killing an intruder, can just as easily shoot through a wooden wall and kill your neighbour three houses down, or the kid walking down the street. PIstols on the other hand make some sense, at least for home defence purposes..

And speaking of the 2nd amendment, I wonder how many US gun fanatics are really part of a "well regulated Militia", and not just latent thugs.

The times they are a changing. The 2nd Amendment does not mean exactly the same thing it meant when it was ratified in 1791.


Well, then it needs to be re-written.
 
2012-12-25 12:42:54 PM
Local resident Steven Oltay, 19, said he thought he heard the attack take place from his flat nearby.
He said: 'I was woken up last night by a woman screaming.
'Horrific screams, like an animal.
'I thought it was someone being murdered and almost ran out but decided against it.'


CLUCK, Cluck, cluck, cluck, cluck, cluck

Chicken shiat wuss.
 
2012-12-25 12:43:49 PM
Functional difference between semi-auto versions of post-WWII military rifles, and semi-auto hunting rifles. (WWII and before military rifles pretty much ARE hunting rifles).

Hunting rifle. Stock is below the line of the barrel, to make a comfortable sight plane and keep optics more compact and less likely to catch on brush. Fixed magazine of five rounds (sometimes limited by hunting laws to three). No flash suppresser because unneeded. Generally a high-powered cartridge if intended for large game, such as .30-06, .308 or 7mm Magnum.

ohiohuntingproperties.com

Military-style rifle. Stock is in line with barrel to reduce muzzle climb. Pistol grip allows the stock to be this high. Flash suppressor/compensator makes it hard to spot shooter, aids in night-time shooting, and reduces muzzle climb. Detachable magazine holds 20-30 rounds, and allows up to 100-round drumbs. Smaller cartridge such as 5.56 NATO or 7.62X39 Russian allows shooter to carry more reloads, and further reduces recoil, allowing very high rates of fire.

upload.wikimedia.org

It's not cosmetic; there's a large difference.
 
2012-12-25 12:47:27 PM

mbillips: Functional difference between semi-auto versions of post-WWII military rifles, and semi-auto hunting rifles. (WWII and before military rifles pretty much ARE hunting rifles).



That's obviously not a semi-auto hunting rifle, but this is:

cdn2.armslist.com
 
2012-12-25 12:56:28 PM

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: KrispyKritter: ignorance is bliss, subby. folks in Britain can have firearms, they just use them for hunting animals as they are intended.

Except the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting and EVERYTHING to do with a violent revolution to topple the government.

Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States.
Noah Webster

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
Thomas Jefferson

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
- Thomas Jefferson


Yet we are allowing the government to slowly and egregiously subvert the fourth and fourteenth amendments virtually unchallenged.
 
2012-12-25 01:04:06 PM
Amusing that this hasn't turned into a cop hate thread. Let me try:

US cop: needs a gun to feel like he has authority and to compensate for the lack of fitness tests a cop has.

UK police officer: Wrestles a sword wielding maniac to the ground armed with only a pair of handcuffs.
 
2012-12-25 01:08:25 PM

badhatharry: PC LOAD LETTER: Triumph: In a monarchy, this is the limit of allowable technology in private hands. Doesn't matter whether you're the monarch of North Korea or Britain; the peasantry needs to be kept as defenseless as possible.

Aww how cute, you think that our small arms keep the government's tanks, bombers, and artillery in check!

The civilians are in charge in America. That's why the president, Secretary of Defense, etc. must be civilians.  It is important that the civilians and military remember that.  Even if the right to bear arms is symbolic, it is a good reminder of who supposedly is in charge.


My comment reminded me of a scene from the Dark Knight and Egypt.
The military(Bane) puts his hand on the politicians shoulder: "Do you feel in charge?"
 
2012-12-25 01:11:33 PM

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: KrispyKritter: ignorance is bliss, subby. folks in Britain can have firearms, they just use them for hunting animals as they are intended.

Except the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting and EVERYTHING to do with a violent revolution to topple the government.

Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States.
Noah Webster

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
Thomas Jefferson

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
- Thomas Jefferson


If you're concerned with national security, how many American civilians has the US government killed compared to the collective likes of Adam Lanza or the Columbine killers?
 
2012-12-25 01:27:47 PM

mbillips: Flash suppressor/compensator makes it hard to spot shooter,


Protip: Flash suppressors intent is to prevent blinding the shooter.
 
2012-12-25 01:32:34 PM

Wayne 985: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: KrispyKritter: ignorance is bliss, subby. folks in Britain can have firearms, they just use them for hunting animals as they are intended.

Except the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with hunting and EVERYTHING to do with a violent revolution to topple the government.

Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States.
Noah Webster

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason
Co-author of the Second Amendment
during Virginia's Convention to Ratify the Constitution, 1788

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
Thomas Jefferson

"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
- Thomas Jefferson

If you're concerned with national security, how many American civilians has the US government killed compared to the collective likes of Adam Lanza or the Columbine killers?


76 men, women, and children were killed at Waco.  The Trail of Tears killed thousands.
 
2012-12-25 01:49:45 PM

badhatharry: 76 men, women, and children were killed at Waco.  The Trail of Tears killed thousands.


So... A Doomsday cult that committed mass suicide when they were surrounded and a travesty that happened 30-odd years before slavery was even banned.
 
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