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2012-12-24 08:50:36 PM  
Norquist and Limpdick Limberger run the repulsive party. Where's the farking LEMMY link??
 
2012-12-24 09:12:47 PM  
This is the imbecile the Republicans have sworn fealty to

/good luck
 
2012-12-24 09:36:37 PM  
It hurts to read this.
 
2012-12-24 10:03:18 PM  
WHO...THE...FARK...IS...THIS...GUY??

FARK "conservatives," I ask you, why do your representatives lick this muppet's taint?
 
2012-12-24 10:05:40 PM  
why would Obama negotiate?  if the GOP were in a position of strength, there is no doubt in my mind they'd leverage that strength to their advantage and get what they want.  well...Obama is the one in charge, he's the one in the strong position...why would HE give any sort of advantage to the Republicans?  why SHOULD he...?
 
2012-12-24 10:09:46 PM  
i1079.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-24 10:14:34 PM  
"We learned days and weeks and months afterwards that they had non-meetings where this is going on."

Grover seems to be trying to convince us that even though the President had meetings with the GOP, he wasn't actually doing anything.

Oh, and fark you, Grover.
 
2012-12-24 10:16:35 PM  
Grover Norquist upset Obama won't give the GOP everything they want

Fixed.
 
2012-12-24 10:16:42 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: WHO...THE...FARK...IS...THIS...GUY??

FARK "conservatives," I ask you, why do your representatives lick this muppet's taint?


He looks like the face shaved into the back of that drunk guy's head. The jpg with the guy with his head down and glasses on the 'face'.

There's a case to be made for a narrower tax base. There's a case to be made for a broader tax base. There's a case to be made for a smaller budget. There's a case to be made for higher spending.

There's no case to be made for zero taxes.
 
2012-12-24 10:17:33 PM  

Weaver95: why would Obama negotiate?  if the GOP were in a position of strength, there is no doubt in my mind they'd leverage that strength to their advantage and get what they want.  well...Obama is the one in charge, he's the one in the strong position...why would HE give any sort of advantage to the Republicans?  why SHOULD he...?


So why is he so willing to cut holes in the social safety net?
 
2012-12-24 10:30:16 PM  
I am still wracking my brains trying to figure out why in the hell Obama should help out the Republicans.  Gods know that if their positions were flipped, the GOP wouldn't lift a finger to help the Democrats.  in fact they'd abuse the situation to gain every advantage they could get out of it.  why shouldn't the Democrats do the same?
 
2012-12-24 10:53:56 PM  
So, let me get this straight.  This unelected private citizen pulls the puppet strings of virtually the entire Republican party?  I'd say there should be a law against this, but I'm sure it'd get voted down under the guise of "free speech".
 
2012-12-24 11:13:51 PM  

Cewley: Norquist and Limpdick Limberger run the repulsive party. Where's the farking LEMMY link??


Where's the DIAF tag?
 
2012-12-24 11:16:53 PM  
pegitboard.com 1.bp.blogspot.com
Q E D
 
2012-12-24 11:18:29 PM  

Weaver95: why would Obama negotiate?  if the GOP were in a position of strength, there is no doubt in my mind they'd leverage that strength to their advantage and get what they want.  well...Obama is the one in charge, he's the one in the strong position...why would HE give any sort of advantage to the Republicans?  why SHOULD he...?


Well, President Obama signed a secret pledge to never negotiate with bearded-americkans. So what else would you have expected him to do??

Plus, in grover's tiny little brain, negotiate probably translates into "doesnt raise taxes."
 
2012-12-24 11:19:56 PM  

Speaker2Animals: Cewley: Norquist and Limpdick Limberger run the repulsive party. Where's the farking LEMMY link??

Where's the DIAF tag?


THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS

of all the flags we have asked for, I think DIAF might me pretty close to tops.
although darwin would be nice
we might need some kind of poll, or collection
sigh
 
2012-12-24 11:21:35 PM  
Who is this Norquist clown? Where did he come from?

How did he get so much power to speak in public so fast?
 
2012-12-24 11:23:49 PM  
GIS brought up this nightmare:

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-25 12:03:58 AM  
Looks like someone's desperately trying to rev up the spin machine in order to deflect the blame when sequestration happens.
 
2012-12-25 12:12:42 AM  
Karma's a biatch, Grover. And so are elections where you LOSE. Oh wait, you've never run for office, you farking pussy.
 
2012-12-25 12:26:47 AM  

Godscrack: Who is this Norquist clown? Where did he come from?


According to Wikipedia, he started out writing for the Harvard Crimson, going on to help start the libertarian-leaning Harvard Chronicle. Next, he attended courses at Leadership Institute, a Virginia non-profit that teaches "political technology" that utilizes classical-liberal and libertarian writings from politicians and economists.

In the early 80s, he became executive director for the National Taxpayers Union and the national office of the College Republicans. He later served as chief economist and speechwriter at the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

There was some involvement with Ronald Reagan and Oliver North around the time he founded Americans for Tax Reform, which is the organization responsible for the tax pledge. Its primary purpose is to shrink government spending to a fraction of GDP, using "starve the beast" and tit-for-tat bargaining regarding tax hikes for spending cuts. Essentially it is an economic libertarian advocacy group.

The ATR appears to have gained significant influence because of political connections Norquist acquired and because of significant funding from political supporters.
I suspect that the ATR gained significant political clout after Bush Sr violated his no-tax pledge he made to Norquist (and the country). After Clinton was voted into office, Republicans such as Gingrich used the pledge to gain support from fiscal conservatives. I'm sure others signed on because they saw the political fallout from Bush Sr.

It has gotten to the point that ATR is powerful enough that Republicans are scared of it. Norquist has stated that if a Republican running for Congress fails to take his oath, ATR will lend support to any opponent who does make the oath during that state's Republican primary. In short, "if you don't pledge, we'll find somebody who will".
 
2012-12-25 12:39:29 AM  

Godscrack: Where did he come from?


Rush Limbaugh's asscrack.
 
2012-12-25 12:45:54 AM  
Dinjiin:
It has gotten to the point that ATR is powerful enough that Republicans are scared of it. Norquist has stated that if a Republican running for Congress fails to take his oath, ATR will lend support to any opponent who does make the oath during that state's Republican primary. In short, "if you don't pledge, we'll find somebody who will".

its one of the many reasons the GOP has moved further and further to the right while the rest of the country stayed relatively moderate.  At any rate, Norquist may have overplayed his hand.  I suspect we'll see his influence begin to decrease over the next year as more and more Republicans start to break ranks.
 
2012-12-25 01:09:03 AM  

Weaver95: I suspect we'll see his influence begin to decrease over the next year as more and more Republicans start to break ranks.


I am interested in how many Republicans will actually vote to increase taxes in order to avoid the fiscal cliff. The more who defect, the harder it will be for ATR to launch a proper response during the next election cycles' Republican primaries. There is going to be a threshold where there are simply too many defectors to swipe at.

Add to that the indigestion that some wealthy economic libertarians currently have regarding their donations during the last election cycle, and we may see ATR seriously underfunded to do anything other than sit in a corner and cry.
 
2012-12-25 01:21:55 AM  
i162.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-25 01:37:35 AM  
"One of the challenges, of course, is people see this happening; they realize that the president has not been negotiating at all over the past three months," Norquist said on the Monday morning edition of CNN's Starting Point. "We learned days and weeks and months afterwards that they had non-meetings where this is going on."

So they had "non-meetings"  where non-negotiating was going on?
 
2012-12-25 01:41:11 AM  

log_jammin: "One of the challenges, of course, is people see this happening; they realize that the president has not been negotiating at all over the past three months," Norquist said on the Monday morning edition of CNN's Starting Point. "We learned days and weeks and months afterwards that they had non-meetings where this is going on."

So they had "non-meetings"  where non-negotiating was going on?


It's all winks, smiles and occasional buttsex.
 
2012-12-25 01:45:10 AM  

ambassador_ahab: Godscrack: Where did he come from?

Rush Limbaugh's asscrack.




So that's what happened to the cyst that kept Rush from defending his country in her hour of need.
 
2012-12-25 02:24:48 AM  

nvmac: log_jammin: "One of the challenges, of course, is people see this happening; they realize that the president has not been negotiating at all over the past three months," Norquist said on the Monday morning edition of CNN's Starting Point. "We learned days and weeks and months afterwards that they had non-meetings where this is going on."

So they had "non-meetings"  where non-negotiating was going on
?

It's all winks, smiles and occasional buttsex.


Why do I keep thinking of toasters? I mean the...the skinjobs.

It's awfully perplexing.
 
2012-12-25 04:12:54 AM  

Weaver95: I am still wracking my brains trying to figure out why in the hell Obama should help out the Republicans.  Gods know that if their positions were flipped, the GOP wouldn't lift a finger to help the Democrats.  in fact they'd abuse the situation to gain every advantage they could get out of it.  why shouldn't the Democrats do the same?


Because! You know, because! And also, because!

Just, because!
 
2012-12-25 04:13:29 AM  
I

CruiserTwelve: [i162.photobucket.com image 300x300]


It'd be funny to see a picture of him with Michael "the fly in my soup" Steele.
 
2012-12-25 04:18:36 AM  
It is longstanding US policy not to negotiate with terrorists. Srry, bubba.
 
2012-12-25 04:21:13 AM  

Weaver95: why SHOULD he...?


Because compromising for the good of the nation is the honorable and moral thing to do. And as we all know, the GOP is the Christ-like beacon of honor and morality by which the nation ....*BARF*

... sorry, couldn't do it.
 
2012-12-25 04:25:40 AM  
The GOP is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. K-street is an extended gutter and the gutter is full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their herp and derp will foam up about their waists and all the teatards and neocons will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll whisper "no."
 
2012-12-25 04:32:30 AM  
The interesting part of all this is the best deal the Republicans could have got was in December 2011, but they didn't want that because it might help Obama get re-elected.

What a lot of people don't really understand is that the real Republicans (i.e. the business wing) don't care if taxes go up on the middle class. In fact, the logic would be taxes should go up on the middle class if they want entitlements. They are the ones who use and need them. Why should they pay for it?
 
2012-12-25 04:36:10 AM  

Curse of the Goth Kids: It is longstanding US policy not to negotiate with terrorists. Srry, bubba.


Except that we do, in secret. So I suggest we send Biden and Hillary over to Grover's house at midnight some night with a baseball bat, six rolls of duct tape and half a case of Johnnie Walker Black and get this sorted out.
 
2012-12-25 04:38:06 AM  

trippycrazy12: ICruiserTwelve: [i162.photobucket.com image 300x300]

It'd be funny to see a picture of him with Michael "the fly in my soup" Steele.




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2012-12-25 04:40:02 AM  

log_jammin: "One of the challenges, of course, is people see this happening; they realize that the president has not been negotiating at all over the past three months," Norquist said on the Monday morning edition of CNN's Starting Point. "We learned days and weeks and months afterwards that they had non-meetings where this is going on."

So they had "non-meetings"  where non-negotiating was going on?


Having attended quite a few meetings in my day, I'd believe this.

What I want to know is what the fark is it with Republicans and imprecision?

When discussing time: "Days, weeks, months!"
When discussing quantities: "Tens, twenties, hundreds!"

...oh wait, numbers are arithmetic, and they aren't so good at that. I remember now.
/is this some kind of math you do?
 
2012-12-25 04:48:39 AM  
Farking crybaby.
 
2012-12-25 04:50:06 AM  
How do you negotiate with a group of people whose position on taxes is "no new taxes, not now, not ever"?
 
2012-12-25 04:50:08 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Curse of the Goth Kids: It is longstanding US policy not to negotiate with terrorists. Srry, bubba.

Except that we do, in secret. So I suggest we send Biden and Hillary over to Grover's house at midnight some night with a baseball bat, six rolls of duct tape and half a case of Johnnie Walker Black and get this sorted out.


...what's the whisky for? You can have drunken negotiations with sane people. With someone like Grover, I doubt it. Now, half a carton of Marlboros and an Obama that's willing to jump off the no-nicotine wagon for a good cause...that's how you do it!
 
2012-12-25 04:56:40 AM  

Serious Black: How do you negotiate with a group of people whose position on taxes is "no new taxes, not now, not ever"?


You can not. You can not negotiate with ideologues. There is no room for compromise when your position is correct and everyone else is wrong.

But this has been the last 2 years. The GOP saying that Obama should compromise and do what they want.
Strange, now that he has won re-election easily, WHY would he do anything that they want? At best a compromise should lean heavily in favor of the DEMS.

So not only do we get raised taxes on 250k and above, we get 30% death taxes on assets over a million and increased cap gains taxes. How do you like that compromise grover??
 
2012-12-25 05:02:43 AM  
I am really starting to wonder if there are any people left on the right who actually know what's going on?
 
2012-12-25 05:05:12 AM  

Yakk: I am really starting to wonder if there are any people left on the right who actually know what's going on?


Nope. In their minds they are still in election night waiting to celebrate president Romneys great victory and the coming days of tax cuts for the rich and the abolishment of all entitlement programs.

None of this was ever supposed to happen and they are incapable of dealing with it.
 
2012-12-25 05:05:33 AM  

Yakk: I am really starting to wonder if there are any people left on the right who actually know what's going on?


Well, that depends on how you define "the right." Do people like David Frum, Andrew Sullivan, Bruce Bartlett, and (I can't beleive I'm savying this) Tom Coburn count?
 
2012-12-25 05:25:12 AM  

Dinjiin: It has gotten to the point that ATR is powerful enough that Republicans are scared of it. Norquist has stated that if a Republican running for Congress fails to take his oath, ATR will lend support to any opponent who does make the oath during that state's Republican primary. In short, "if you don't pledge, we'll find somebody who will".


Which is why when he goes down - as he's in the throes of now - he's likely to go down in a really ugly manner
 
2012-12-25 05:25:59 AM  

Ishidan: Dwight_Yeast: Curse of the Goth Kids: It is longstanding US policy not to negotiate with terrorists. Srry, bubba.

Except that we do, in secret. So I suggest we send Biden and Hillary over to Grover's house at midnight some night with a baseball bat, six rolls of duct tape and half a case of Johnnie Walker Black and get this sorted out.

...what's the whisky for? You can have drunken negotiations with sane people. With someone like Grover, I doubt it. Now, half a carton of Marlboros and an Obama that's willing to jump off the no-nicotine wagon for a good cause...that's how you do it!


CarrotBooze and stick.
 
2012-12-25 05:31:03 AM  
Funny, no matter how many times I read this:
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God."

I just can't seem to find the line "and you totally have to gargle the microsack of an unelected lobbyist who, instead of dreaming about cracking into his old man's Playboy collection or flicking the channels just right to unscramble Cinemax when he was 12, came up with some ludicrous fantasy about a tax-free utopia that's even less believable than the idea that Justine Bateman was some mega-hottie."
 
2012-12-25 05:37:02 AM  

Ishidan: ...what's the whisky for? You can have drunken negotiations with sane people.


To get Biden "in the mood".
 
2012-12-25 05:57:22 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Justine Bateman was some mega-hottie


wait, what? she is a freshman at UCLA studying compsci?
 
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