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(Rochester Democrat and Chronicle)   Shooter of Webster NY Firemen identified, it was a 62 year old white male previously jailed for beating his grandmother to death with a hammer. Pro and anti hammer comments to the right   (democratandchronicle.com) divider line 355
    More: Followup, white male, hammers, volunteer firefighters, grandmother, Rose Spengler  
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2012-12-24 07:11:37 PM

Amos Quito: GAT_00: Sure am glad he was allowed to buy/keep his gun, depending on when the gun purchase happened.

Yeah, I'm sure he bought it - all nice and legal.


The firearms Catch 22: More guns in the hands of the law abiding means more guns in the hands of criminals.
 
2012-12-24 07:11:43 PM
It was probably one of those hi-cap assault hammers. No one needs a 24oz ball peen hammer!
 
2012-12-24 07:12:25 PM
It's Hammer Time!

*cue jpegs and shat*
 
2012-12-24 07:12:30 PM

hbk72777: Aren't the anti gun people the same who want to do away with jails and capitol punishment? Had we kept this asshole locked up, fried his ass, he wouldn't have been able to do this.

You can't be a bleeding heart then biatch when shiat like this happens.


Um, no, almost nobody wants to do away with jails. Wanting to abolish capital punishment (Which is barbaric) doesn't mean we don't want murderers and such locked up. Capital punishment is just the desire for revenge, which should NOT be part of the criminal justice system in any way, shape or form. Plus, far too many innocent people are killed based on faulty evidence. Furthermore the legal costs associated with death row are higher than the costs required to keep a prisoner in jail for life. And if you cut corners to save costs, more innocent people end up dead at the hands of the state.

If right-wing ideology was actually consistent, giving the state power to execute people would be the last thing they'd want. Second to last would be 'making it easier and faster for the state to execute you'.
 
2012-12-24 07:13:12 PM

JungleBoogie: Amos Quito: GAT_00: Sure am glad he was allowed to buy/keep his gun, depending on when the gun purchase happened.

Yeah, I'm sure he bought it - all nice and legal.

The firearms Catch 22: More guns in the hands of the law abiding means more guns in the hands of criminals.


Who needs a gun when all you have is a  hammer?
 
2012-12-24 07:13:32 PM

JungleBoogie: Actually gotta do work to kill someone with a hammer. Gun's just point and click. Done.


You don't use hammers like I use hammers.

/you can kill a bull by driving one blow strait to the noggin.
/I'm actually surprised we haven't heard of a mass driving.
 
2012-12-24 07:15:19 PM

JungleBoogie: Amos Quito: GAT_00: Sure am glad he was allowed to buy/keep his gun, depending on when the gun purchase happened.

Yeah, I'm sure he bought it - all nice and legal.

The firearms Catch 22: More guns in the hands of the law abiding means more guns in the hands of criminals.


Actually the statistics go the other way.
More guns in the hands of the law abiding means criminals are less willing to confront them. They turn to other Methods, like daylight robbery instead of home invasions.
 
2012-12-24 07:15:35 PM
It was golfing in flames, golfing.
 
2012-12-24 07:18:20 PM
No 'The Wire' references?

Fark, I am disappoint.
 
2012-12-24 07:19:17 PM
In later statements to police, Spengler admitted he'd hit his legally blind grandmother several times with the handle of a hammer during a violent argument over her going into the basement, where he'd warned her not to go for her own safety.

i20.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-24 07:19:50 PM
i262.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-24 07:22:44 PM
cinemademerde.com

Also approves.
 
2012-12-24 07:24:41 PM
What I don't get is why these loser always shoot themselves as the police are closing in. If they wanted to 'make a statement', why not use the bully pulpit in court to do so?

/close early...getting hammered on real* eggnog

* - equal parts light and heavy cream with bourbon and rum...and some eggs and nutmeg
 
2012-12-24 07:25:15 PM
Settle down, gun-grabbers.

If he didn't have a gun he would've just used a hammer. Nothing can be done.
 
2012-12-24 07:25:42 PM
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2012-12-24 07:31:02 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Settle down, gun-grabbers.

If he didn't have a gun he would've just used a hammer. Nothing can be done.


Ban semi-automatic butane lighters.
 
2012-12-24 07:32:58 PM
www.wackypackages.org

/Hammers don't kill people, arms do.
 
2012-12-24 07:36:31 PM
My name is Natalie Pushedbyparents, and I just wanted to tell the President that only carpenters and blacksmiths should get hammers. If people want to do it as a sport then they could go to hardware stores and the hammers would not be able to leave there.
 
2012-12-24 07:37:24 PM
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/Maybe I'm misunderstanding the headline...
 
2012-12-24 07:40:17 PM
A different article said the POS killed himself after a off duty police officer came to the scene and returned fire.
 
2012-12-24 07:41:09 PM
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2012-12-24 07:42:29 PM
www.cmstatic1.com

Hammers and nails are just plain lazy.
 
2012-12-24 07:43:21 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: [www.cmstatic1.com image 512x384]

Hammers and nails are just plain lazy.


WWJD
 
2012-12-24 07:44:45 PM

way south: Billybobgeorgebob: GAT_00: Sure am glad he was allowed to buy/keep his gun, depending on when the gun purchase happened.

Except it was illegal for him to own the gun.

But that would mean he was willfully breaking the law.
Why would he do that?


Obviously we need a law saying that you need to obey the other laws. There is just no way anyone could get around that.
 
2012-12-24 07:49:00 PM
Time to make sure everyone has a hammer to combat the Bad people who use hammers so the good guys with hammers can stop them.

Nails... everything looks like nails
 
2012-12-24 07:49:34 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-24 07:50:29 PM

glassgnost: Take action toward putting to a vote in 2014 a constitutional amendment revoking the Second Amendment. http://wh.gov/QXYb


Knock yourself out. At the end of the day, you've still got a crazy dude who wants to take out firemen by setting a fire as part of a trap for them. Reality is, his use of a gun was probably the least-deadly outcome of any of the other crazy ways he could have done it.
 
2012-12-24 07:53:32 PM

Benjamin Orr: Pray 4 Mojo: [www.cmstatic1.com image 512x384]

Hammers and nails are just plain lazy.

WWJD


Jesus would use a mortise and tenon joint.

Well... that or magic.
 
2012-12-24 07:54:54 PM
If we required licensing and registration of all hammers, this wouldn't have happened.
/problem solved
 
2012-12-24 07:57:08 PM

St_Francis_P: In later statements to police, Spengler admitted he'd hit his legally blind grandmother several times with the handle of a hammer during a violent argument over her going into the basement, where he'd warned her not to go for her own safety.

Nice. Out of concern for her safety, he kills her. On the positive side, I imagine he could explain the drug laws to us.

And I blame that old "If I had a Hammer" song. It was only a matter of time.


When are we gonna finally put a stop to folksy, mellow ballads??
 
2012-12-24 07:58:46 PM
TTL/DNR...don't know if anyone posted this yet...but...

TIME TO PROFILE WHITE MEN
 
2012-12-24 07:59:01 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-24 07:59:13 PM

Cataholic: glassgnost: Take action toward putting to a vote in 2014 a constitutional amendment revoking the Second Amendment. http://wh.gov/QXYb

Knock yourself out. At the end of the day, you've still got a crazy dude who wants to take out firemen by setting a fire as part of a trap for them. Reality is, his use of a gun was probably the least-deadly outcome of any of the other crazy ways he could have done it.


Its an old tactic. Terrorists often set off a small bomb to draw in the clean up crew, then set off the big one to get as many kills as possible.
They don't care for the difference between infantry and worker bees.
This guy was simply too drunk or lazy to make a pipe bomb.
 
2012-12-24 07:59:24 PM

glassgnost: Take action toward putting to a vote in 2014 a constitutional amendment revoking the Second Amendment. http://wh.gov/QXYb

We, the undersigned, do believe that weapons manufacturers, their lobbyists, and affiliated persons have so abused the Second Amendment that in this time, we must strike down the Second Amendment in order to establish and enforce reasonable restraints upon the manufacture, sale, posession and use of firearms.


we also want ponies and cake..... (its possession btw)

SIGNATURES NEEDED BY JANUARY 23, 2013 TO REACH GOAL OF 25,000 24,999

TOTAL SIGNATURES ON THIS PETITION 1
 
2012-12-24 07:59:44 PM

SubBass49: TTL/DNR...don't know if anyone posted this yet...but...

TIME TO PROFILE WHITE MEN


To malletize
 
2012-12-24 08:00:50 PM
this sort of thing is ingrained in our culture, hell we make games out of it for christ's sake

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2012-12-24 08:01:04 PM
The only thing of value that I learned from this article is that even those convicted of brutal murder can get their hands on lethal weaponry without so much as a hint of a problem.

The solution, obviously, is MOAR GUNS
 
2012-12-24 08:04:40 PM
media.tumblr.com

Bye.
 
2012-12-24 08:04:44 PM

kombat_unit: stirfrybry: Good thing he didn't get the death penalty for killing granny

Good thing or the fark progessive crocodile tears would have been immense when they carried out the sentence.


I wouldn't care if he was executed or not, but you're dishonest to pretend that life without parole is not a (cheaper) option.
 
2012-12-24 08:06:46 PM
You know who else liked hammers?
i44.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-24 08:09:15 PM
Just before setting the fire, he was alleged to have said, "trust me. I know what I'm doing."

/obscure? on Christmas eve?
 
2012-12-24 08:09:56 PM

Buttbone McGillicutty: You know who else liked hammers?
[i44.photobucket.com image 697x487]


The Dnepropetrovsk maniacs?
 
2012-12-24 08:10:57 PM

Infernalist: The only thing of value that I learned from this article is that even those convicted of brutal murder can get their hands on lethal weaponry without so much as a hint of a problem.

The solution, obviously, is MOAR GUNS


The alternative is to prevent you from buying a gun and pretend that this act disarmed him.

/So you can turn off your alarm system and sleep with the doors unlocked, because the solution to crime is in the bag.
/Even if the elimination of guns was possible, I suspect that a guy who murders his own family member with a hammer will find a way to make do.
 
2012-12-24 08:12:32 PM
It's because we have banned god from our fires
 
2012-12-24 08:13:30 PM

Wayne 985: kombat_unit: stirfrybry: Good thing he didn't get the death penalty for killing granny

Good thing or the fark progessive crocodile tears would have been immense when they carried out the sentence.

I wouldn't care if he was executed or not, but you're dishonest to pretend that life without parole is not a (cheaper) option.


The death penalty costs less than 50 cents a bullet (if we use the good stuff).
Its the litigation and appeals that cost so much.

/I'm ambivalent on the death penalty but at least make that distinction clear.
/IIRC it has no statistical effect on crime.
 
2012-12-24 08:13:39 PM

way south: Infernalist: The only thing of value that I learned from this article is that even those convicted of brutal murder can get their hands on lethal weaponry without so much as a hint of a problem.

The solution, obviously, is MOAR GUNS

The alternative is to prevent you from buying a gun and pretend that this act disarmed him.

/So you can turn off your alarm system and sleep with the doors unlocked, because the solution to crime is in the bag.
/Even if the elimination of guns was possible, I suspect that a guy who murders his own family member with a hammer will find a way to make do.


I think the question we need to ask is how did he get a gun and what c could have been done to prevent that?
 
2012-12-24 08:13:51 PM

Tillmaster: Evil Canadian: Beyond all the rhetoric and flamewars, a bit of further reading on why this guy was out of prison suggests he was originally charged with 2nd degree murder but pleaded out as manslaughter (wasn't a planned thing apparently). He got an appropriate sentence, behaved himself well enough in prison to get paroled, didn't reoffend during his parole period, which ended 6 years ago and has generally kept quietly to himself since he was released. He did his time, which was totally appropriate for the charge he pled, did his parole and lived quietly for the 14 years since his release.

It's not like he was a walking advert for a crazy about to torch the neighbourhood and shoot him some firemen.

What the fark happened to set this off - I really don't understand at all.

/Whether the prosecution and judge should have accepted the plea to a lesser charge is another discussion altogether.

With his record, please explain how he was able to acquire one or more firearms.


Illegally? But surely that couldn't happen because banning people from obtaining firearms will certainly mean they won't be able to get them. It's worked so well with drugs and alcohol and such.
 
2012-12-24 08:15:03 PM

way south: Wayne 985: kombat_unit: stirfrybry: Good thing he didn't get the death penalty for killing granny

Good thing or the fark progessive crocodile tears would have been immense when they carried out the sentence.

I wouldn't care if he was executed or not, but you're dishonest to pretend that life without parole is not a (cheaper) option.

The death penalty costs less than 50 cents a bullet (if we use the good stuff).
Its the litigation and appeals that cost so much.

/I'm ambivalent on the death penalty but at least make that distinction clear.
/IIRC it has no statistical effect on crime.


Damn that due process amiright?
 
2012-12-24 08:15:14 PM

L.D. Ablo: [b.vimeocdn.com image 640x432]


Came here for this. Leaving satisfied.

/Ban hammers
 
2012-12-24 08:16:19 PM
from another article.... just wow.....

Spengler lived in the house with his sister and mother, Arline, who died in October. He had originally been charged with second-degree murder in connection with grandmother Rose Spengler's death but pleaded guilty to a reduced charge of manslaughter.

A friend of the gunman, Roger Vercruysse, said Spengler didn't seem violent but hated his sister. Vercruysse said Spengler "loved his mama to death" and that he thinks his friend "went crazy" after she died
.

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