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(Rochester Democrat and Chronicle)   Shooter of Webster NY Firemen identified, it was a 62 year old white male previously jailed for beating his grandmother to death with a hammer. Pro and anti hammer comments to the right   (democratandchronicle.com) divider line 355
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2012-12-24 06:37:08 PM

SarahDiddle: I just want to say I am pro-hammer.

/but anti-skub


THEM'S FIGHTIN' WORDS, BOY!!!

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-24 06:37:11 PM

GAT_00: Sure am glad he was allowed to buy/keep his gun, depending on when the gun purchase happened.


Except it was illegal for him to own the gun.
 
2012-12-24 06:37:19 PM
It was that frigging Thor movie.
 
2012-12-24 06:38:29 PM
I live about 2 miles away where this happened. I don't know if they located his sister yet, but she is probably in one of the houses that burned down. There was a row of houses that were delapidated or boarded up. They sat on multi million dollar property. I thought that it was arson at first.
 
2012-12-24 06:39:31 PM

fusillade762: I'm trying to work out a nail gun joke but nothing's gelling.


Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Apparently, his grandmother tried to touch it.

And by "hammer" you mean "penis", right?


It's like having a thousand hammers when all you need is a nail gun.

I'm still waiting to follow the worms.
 
2012-12-24 06:39:36 PM
It's ok. Just tell the families of the fire fighters that a gun didn't kill their loved one. I'm sure they'll understand and have a totally awesome Christmas planning a funeral.
 
2012-12-24 06:39:49 PM

gwenners: [jaypgreene.files.wordpress.com image 265x400]

/hot, like a fire


If that guy his his grandmother to death with his "hammer" then I'm just impressed.
 
2012-12-24 06:40:23 PM

St_Francis_P: In later statements to police, Spengler admitted he'd hit his legally blind grandmother several times with the handle of a hammer during a violent argument over her going into the basement, where he'd warned her not to go for her own safety.

Nice. Out of concern for her safety, he kills her. On the positive side, I imagine he could explain the drug laws to us.

And I blame that old "If I had a Hammer" song. It was only a matter of time.


That's probably why he was shooting at the firemen, only out of concern of their safety.
 
2012-12-24 06:41:29 PM
Take action toward putting to a vote in 2014 a constitutional amendment revoking the Second Amendment. http://wh.gov/QXYb
 
2012-12-24 06:41:46 PM

sno man: Therion: How about we stop publishing their names and giving these farking assholes the publicity/notoriety they crave; and have all news media refer to shooters as "the farking asshole who ..."?

The notoriety they get to fap to after they're dead? That notoriety?


It's more like a motivating factor. Some people want a gravestone to be remembered... Some people want something different. Crazy guy gets his need to be remembered fulfilled by asshole media who profits waving bloody rags
 
2012-12-24 06:41:55 PM
He was clearly a video game nut.
 
2012-12-24 06:42:26 PM
Spengler pleaded guilty to manslaughter in 1981 and was sentenced to 8 1/3 to 25 years in prison.

During a news conference Tuesday afternoon, Monroe County District Attorney Sandra Doorley said Spengler was released from prison in 1998 and was under parole supervision until 2006.


He lived at the house with his sister (who is missing at the moment).

In before she gets blamed for all this.
 
2012-12-24 06:42:54 PM
Beyond all the rhetoric and flamewars, a bit of further reading on why this guy was out of prison suggests he was originally charged with 2nd degree murder but pleaded out as manslaughter (wasn't a planned thing apparently). He got an appropriate sentence, behaved himself well enough in prison to get paroled, didn't reoffend during his parole period, which ended 6 years ago and has generally kept quietly to himself since he was released. He did his time, which was totally appropriate for the charge he pled, did his parole and lived quietly for the 14 years since his release.

It's not like he was a walking advert for a crazy about to torch the neighbourhood and shoot him some firemen.

What the fark happened to set this off - I really don't understand at all.

/Whether the prosecution and judge should have accepted the plea to a lesser charge is another discussion altogether.
 
2012-12-24 06:43:20 PM
Good thing he didn't get the death penalty for killing granny
 
2012-12-24 06:43:41 PM
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Ein! Zwei! Drei! HAMMA!
 
2012-12-24 06:43:42 PM

shower_in_my_socks: He was clearly a video game nut.


He looks more like a rap music afficianado to me
 
2012-12-24 06:45:31 PM

Elandriel: When all you have is a hammer...


Every grandmother looks like a nail?

// How do you not get life without parole for that shiat?
 
2012-12-24 06:45:37 PM

stirfrybry: Good thing he didn't get the death penalty for killing granny


Good thing or the fark progessive crocodile tears would have been immense when they carried out the sentence.
 
2012-12-24 06:48:03 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com


/outlaw skub and only outlaws will have skub
 
2012-12-24 06:48:17 PM
The scourge of high capacity assault hammers
 
2012-12-24 06:48:42 PM
What are the chances this was a "self inflicted" gunshot wound?
 
2012-12-24 06:49:23 PM

BMFPitt: Elandriel: When all you have is a hammer...

Every grandmother looks like a nail?


They look more like Q-tips to me. But then, I don't have any hammers, just earwax.
 
2012-12-24 06:49:57 PM
he had struck her in the head multiple times during an argument about her going into the basement that started because he was worried that she'd hurt herself down there.

That's batshait crazy.
 
2012-12-24 06:51:02 PM

BMFPitt: Elandriel: When all you have is a hammer...

Every grandmother looks like a nail?

// How do you not get life without parole for that shiat?


Especially when this is how it all happened....


Initially, Spengler told family members that he had found his grandmother's body at the bottom of her basement stairs, where he said she had landed after an accidental fall.

But, an autopsy revealed she had been beaten to death.

He later confessed to police that he had struck her in the head multiple times during an argument about her going into the basement that started because he was worried that she'd hurt herself down there. He then staged her body on the stairs and threw the hammer in Lake Ontario


no warning signs there
 
2012-12-24 06:51:26 PM
Between the schools and now the firemen that the Federal government will have to protect with armed security guards, this nation will be flat broke. On the other hand the gunmakers will all have record profits in the year ending 2013!
 
2012-12-24 06:51:31 PM

Therion: How about we stop publishing their names and giving these farking assholes the publicity/notoriety they crave; and have all news media refer to shooters as "the farking asshole who ..."?


I doubt that it's really a motivating factor. I mean, can you cite any evidence of this?

Most of these shooters have a mental illness or are driven by extreme paranoid beliefs.
 
2012-12-24 06:52:21 PM
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2012-12-24 06:52:24 PM
it was a 62 year old white male previously jailed for beating his grandmother to death with a hammer.

Reminds me of this guy. Alan Shore must have gotten him out of jail.
 
2012-12-24 06:52:40 PM

stratagos: Every school needs to be protected by a licensed carpenter.

Or, you know, Jesus - he was a carpenter, right?


That's where I was going ... he used a hammer, or whatever passed for one "back then." Therefore, OK.
 
2012-12-24 06:53:48 PM

NewportBarGuy: Coco LaFemme: Why wasn't he still in prison?

Obviously he was rehabilitated. Duh!


Prison in this country is not about rehab. It's about warehousing and slave labor.
 
2012-12-24 06:54:08 PM
Good thing there is a law against felons owning guns otherwise he might have shot someone. Thank heavens the ACLU insists on standards for putting away crazy people like requiring proof they are a danger to themselves or others say like beating a 92 year old to death with a hammer. The legal system works so well lets make more laws. No sense in applying the ones we already have.
 
2012-12-24 06:54:56 PM

Evil Canadian: Beyond all the rhetoric and flamewars, a bit of further reading on why this guy was out of prison suggests he was originally charged with 2nd degree murder but pleaded out as manslaughter (wasn't a planned thing apparently). He got an appropriate sentence, behaved himself well enough in prison to get paroled, didn't reoffend during his parole period, which ended 6 years ago and has generally kept quietly to himself since he was released. He did his time, which was totally appropriate for the charge he pled, did his parole and lived quietly for the 14 years since his release.

It's not like he was a walking advert for a crazy about to torch the neighbourhood and shoot him some firemen.

What the fark happened to set this off - I really don't understand at all.

/Whether the prosecution and judge should have accepted the plea to a lesser charge is another discussion altogether.


With his record, please explain how he was able to acquire one or more firearms.
 
2012-12-24 06:56:47 PM
My creativity is on break, so I'll just go with this.

If a cop with a gun had been there, he would have said, "Stop, Hammertime."

Yep, that's all I got.
 
2012-12-24 06:57:01 PM

skinink: On the other hand the gunmakers will all have record profits in the year ending 2013!


Sure, because everyone's convinced that guns are going to be taken away.

OTOH, there isn't any kind of run on psychiatric help.
 
2012-12-24 06:59:17 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: [25.media.tumblr.com image 510x359]

Ein! Zwei! Drei! HAMMA!


Call the schoolmaster
I always said he'd come to no good
In the end Your Honour
If they'd let me have my way I could
Have flayed him into shape
But my hands were tied
The bleeding hearts and artists
Let him get away with murder
Let me hammer him today
 
2012-12-24 06:59:32 PM
Aren't the anti gun people the same who want to do away with jails and capitol punishment? Had we kept this asshole locked up, fried his ass, he wouldn't have been able to do this.

You can't be a bleeding heart then biatch when shiat like this happens.
 
2012-12-24 06:59:37 PM
tain't eavy auling t'urts t'orses ooves

tis t'ammer on t'ardighway
 
2012-12-24 06:59:41 PM
Since this happened early this morning... I am going to guess he didn't use one of the scary guns since they are not reporting what kind of gun(s) he used.
 
2012-12-24 06:59:43 PM
www.nailgundepot.com

Just what purpose does this serve anyway? These things come with high-capacity magazines and are designed to fire a nail as quickly as the user can pull the trigger; some even have drums. A drum of nails?! Why can't you carpentry nuts understand that a manual hammer-and-nail combo is adequate for your uses, or does shiat like this help stroke your damaged little ego?
 
2012-12-24 07:01:41 PM
He used a hammer first so she wouldn't feel the knife.
He's gone insane. He's lost his mind.
 
2012-12-24 07:01:52 PM

GAT_00: Sure am glad he was allowed to buy/keep his gun, depending on when the gun purchase happened.


Felons in NY aren't allowed to own guns. It's why Dog the Bounty Hunter had to bounty hunt with Mace.

So should we add a super duper, we really mean it law on top?
 
2012-12-24 07:02:08 PM
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this is what happens to a bowl cut over time
 
2012-12-24 07:03:23 PM
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Jaypeg
 
2012-12-24 07:04:07 PM

FriarReb98: Therion: How about we stop publishing their names and giving these farking assholes the publicity/notoriety they crave; and have all news media refer to shooters as "the farking asshole who ..."?

I don't get this either.  It's something we've always done as a culture - hell, since Cain killed Abel we've known whodunit.  We only glorify the fallen if they're important enough to.


It's an old leftover social urge to know who to avoid like hell.
 
2012-12-24 07:06:25 PM
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Good Christmas/Hanukah/Kwanzaa/Festivus tidings to all you Farkers, be you hammered or abstemious!
 
2012-12-24 07:06:25 PM
Boxing analyst Max Kellerman's brother was beaten to death by a boxer with a hammer nicknamed "the Hammer".

Ironic no?
 
2012-12-24 07:07:59 PM

NewportBarGuy: Coco LaFemme: Why wasn't he still in prison?

Obviously he was rehabilitated. Duh!


I know what you think it means. Me, I think it's a made-up word, a politician's word. A word so young fellas like you can wear a suit and tie and have a job
 
2012-12-24 07:09:58 PM
Actually gotta do work to kill someone with a hammer. Gun's just point and click. Done.
 
2012-12-24 07:10:54 PM

Billybobgeorgebob: GAT_00: Sure am glad he was allowed to buy/keep his gun, depending on when the gun purchase happened.

Except it was illegal for him to own the gun.


But that would mean he was willfully breaking the law.
Why would he do that?
 
2012-12-24 07:11:35 PM
"To hammer, or not to hammer, that is the question..."
 
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