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(The New York Times)   Bill O'Reilly: Rewriting history, one hardcover book at a time   (nytimes.com) divider line 67
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2012-12-24 02:45:44 PM  
"history" through the eyes of a teabagger. no thanks.
 
2012-12-24 04:03:36 PM  
Spoiler; both men were tyrants shot by True American Patriots! USA USA
 
2012-12-24 04:06:48 PM  
Bill O'Reilly claimed the ocean tides were supernatural and that our moon was the only one in the universe.

Read that again. Now tell me why I should trust a man to write an thoughtful, academic book when he has the IQ of a turnip.
 
2012-12-24 04:07:09 PM  
Can't access TFA.

I thought history was supposed to be written by the winners. Now it's written by people who want to be seen by history as the winners.

Propaganda is Propaganda.
 
2012-12-24 04:08:04 PM  
Republicans have been modifying history for years now. This is not a new trend.
 
2012-12-24 04:11:20 PM  
fta "Abe would have liked this book," the Fox News television host Bill O'Reilly said confidently

Not sure if serious

img.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-24 04:11:55 PM  
I prefer Patti Smith's approach: "I don't f**k much with the past, but I f**k plenty with the future."
 
2012-12-24 04:12:54 PM  
Because being right is more important than being correct to some people.
 
2012-12-24 04:16:14 PM  
Bill O's got some real talent. It's not everyone that can sell hundreds of thousands of history books to people who can't read.
 
2012-12-24 04:16:51 PM  
Every time I go to Barnes and Noble, one of Bill O'Reilly's, Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, or other such authors seem to have a book on the bestseller shelves. Or that preacher guy who looks like Tim Allen and always has his face on the cover.
 
2012-12-24 04:20:16 PM  
As much as I loathe O'reily TFA says nothing of the sort.

After some errors were found in the Lincoln book, however, most notably a reference to the Oval Office, which had not yet been built, Mr. O'Reilly did insist that his publishers hire fact checkers. And so far there have been no complaints on Kennedy.

Sounds like he's striving to keep things accurate.
 
2012-12-24 04:21:36 PM  
Love him or hate him, there is a soft side to him, underneath his bully-like tone he takes with anyone with opinions that differ from the message that Fox dictates.. donating a bunch of money to a cause for the homeless is a pretty cool act on him.

Unfortunately, there is another person beneath that soft side that is yelling at to "fark it and do it live with felafel on someone's ass" and beating the soft side over the head with talking points and fear mongering. Like Inception, only he gets angrier and more intolerant every level you go down.
 
2012-12-24 04:23:18 PM  

RoxtarRyan: Love him or hate him, there is a soft side to him, underneath his bully-like tone he takes with anyone with opinions that differ from the message that Fox dictates.. donating a bunch of money to a cause for the homeless is a pretty cool act on him.

Unfortunately, there is another person beneath that soft side that is yelling at to "fark it and do it live with felafel on someone's ass" and beating the soft side over the head with talking points and fear mongering. Like Inception, only he gets angrier and more intolerant every level you go down.


About twice a year he says something the Gen Y hipsters here like and it gets a 500 reply thread. Then a month later he says something they hate.
 
2012-12-24 04:24:51 PM  
The nicest thing about the UK is that these Teatardosphere books don't exist, beyond a tiny shelf on the 2nd floor under "US Political Interest".

Instead it's all Nigella Lawson's tits on the hardcover list.

www.hyperionbooks.com
 
2012-12-24 04:25:16 PM  
What's Bill's take on suspending habeas corpus and implementing income taxes to pay for war?
 
2012-12-24 04:28:33 PM  
What a good book about presidential assassinations might look like:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-24 04:29:38 PM  
Some random kid posts a bomb threat on Twitter: crackdown and arrest for "inducing panic."

Bill O'Reilly repeatedly calls George Tiller "The Baby Killer" and repeatedly insinuates that his death would be beneficial to society: No jail time and two bestselling novels.

So remember, kiddies, when you call for death, be both vague and specific.
 
2012-12-24 04:37:23 PM  

sadbad: What a good book about presidential assassinations might look like:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x337]


4.bp.blogspot.com

Approves.
 
2012-12-24 04:37:33 PM  
"After some errors were found in the Lincoln book, however, most notably a reference to the Oval Office, which had not yet been built, Mr. O'Reilly did insist that his publishers hire fact checkers. "

In other words, he writes it, you prove him wrong.
 
2012-12-24 04:39:37 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Republicans have been modifying history for years now. This is not a new trend.


For example, see how often people mention Reagan without bringing up all that treason stuff.
 
2012-12-24 04:44:54 PM  
Errata sheet for Killing Lincoln:

President Lincoln did not call his Cabinet the "No Spin Zone."

The scene on pages 197-218 describing Mary Todd Lincoln taking a long, luxurious shower with a falafel is factually incorrect. The White House had no shower.

President Lincoln's last words were not, "Fark that pinhead, J. W. Booth."

President Lincoln did not launch the War On Christmas.
 
2012-12-24 04:47:10 PM  
Do his books have any citations?
 
2012-12-24 04:51:41 PM  
FTA: Mr. O'Reilly looked up from his autographs for a second and flashed a stiletto stare from his blue eyes. "Nobody edits me," he said flatly.

And the walrus-like man on the TV said: "Well THERE'S your problem."
 
2012-12-24 04:57:02 PM  
"Abe would have liked this book,"

imageshack.us


/"Abe"? How déclassé.
 
2012-12-24 04:59:29 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Errata sheet for Killing Lincoln:

President Lincoln did not call his Cabinet the "No Spin Zone."

The scene on pages 197-218 describing Mary Todd Lincoln taking a long, luxurious shower with a falafel is factually incorrect. The White House had no shower.

President Lincoln's last words were not, "Fark that pinhead, J. W. Booth."

President Lincoln did not launch the War On Christmas.


Prank Call of Cthulhu: Errata sheet for Killing Lincoln:

President Lincoln did not call his Cabinet the "No Spin Zone."

The scene on pages 197-218 describing Mary Todd Lincoln taking a long, luxurious shower with a falafel is factually incorrect. The White House had no shower.

President Lincoln's last words were not, "Fark that pinhead, J. W. Booth."

President Lincoln did not launch the War On Christmas.


Now let me correct you on a couple of things, OK? Aristotle was not Belgian. The central message of Buddhism is not "Every man for himself." And the London Underground is not a political movement. Those are all mistakes, Otto. I looked them up.
 
2012-12-24 05:04:31 PM  

thornhill: Do his books have any citations?


No, but there's a cetacean on every cover.
 
2012-12-24 05:11:48 PM  
1) What's with the Lincoln fixation recently?
2) What's with the assassination fixation recently?
3) What's with the movies and television about civil wars and invasions being beaten back by rebels recently?
4) All of the above were rhetorical questions.  The dogwhistle here is for the teabaggers who fantasize about beating back the socialist Kenyan muslim nazi invaders via bootstrappy uprising.
 
2012-12-24 05:15:25 PM  

lordjupiter: 1) What's with the Lincoln fixation recently?
2) What's with the assassination fixation recently?
3) What's with the movies and television about civil wars and invasions being beaten back by rebels recently?
4) All of the above were rhetorical questions.  The dogwhistle here is for the teabaggers who fantasize about beating back the socialist Kenyan muslim nazi invaders via bootstrappy uprising.


In all seriousness, we're living in a time of deep polarization. The future history books will call this a 'time of great divisiveness and distrust'. The administration of the first black President, the establishment of national Healthcare and the edge of seeing the dominant Caucasian portion of our nation losing political control for the first time...

Is it any wonder that a lot of scared people are seeing civil war and conflict around every corner?
 
2012-12-24 05:26:47 PM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Errata sheet for Killing Lincoln:

President Lincoln did not call his Cabinet the "No Spin Zone."

The scene on pages 197-218 describing Mary Todd Lincoln taking a long, luxurious shower with a falafel is factually incorrect. The White House had no shower.

President Lincoln's last words were not, "Fark that pinhead, J. W. Booth."

President Lincoln did not launch the War On Christmas.


punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-24 05:32:12 PM  

fusillade762: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Errata sheet for Killing Lincoln:

President Lincoln did not call his Cabinet the "No Spin Zone."

The scene on pages 197-218 describing Mary Todd Lincoln taking a long, luxurious shower with a falafel is factually incorrect. The White House had no shower.

President Lincoln's last words were not, "Fark that pinhead, J. W. Booth."

President Lincoln did not launch the War On Christmas.

[punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com image 500x1125]


...Uhm, when you wanna ridicule F*x News, you probably should know the difference between John Adams and John Quincy Adams.

/John Qunicy Adams was the sixth president, not the second.
 
2012-12-24 05:44:54 PM  
 
2012-12-24 05:45:26 PM  

fusillade762: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Errata sheet for Killing Lincoln:

President Lincoln did not call his Cabinet the "No Spin Zone."

The scene on pages 197-218 describing Mary Todd Lincoln taking a long, luxurious shower with a falafel is factually incorrect. The White House had no shower.

President Lincoln's last words were not, "Fark that pinhead, J. W. Booth."

President Lincoln did not launch the War On Christmas.

[punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com image 500x1125]


What is the origin of those pictures.  Are those quotes that Fox news actually said or just something made up that Fox news could possibly say.  Just curious.
 
2012-12-24 05:47:53 PM  

5 star chef of tv dinners: fusillade762: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Errata sheet for Killing Lincoln:

President Lincoln did not call his Cabinet the "No Spin Zone."

The scene on pages 197-218 describing Mary Todd Lincoln taking a long, luxurious shower with a falafel is factually incorrect. The White House had no shower.

President Lincoln's last words were not, "Fark that pinhead, J. W. Booth."

President Lincoln did not launch the War On Christmas.

[punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com image 500x1125]

What is the origin of those pictures.  Are those quotes that Fox news actually said or just something made up that Fox news could possibly say.  Just curious.


It looks like an SNL bit judging by the tubby guy in the last pic
 
2012-12-24 05:49:08 PM  

thornhill: Do his books have any citations?


My mom got me this book for Christmas. It's burning a hole in my bookcase, sitting next to works by McCullough, Ambrose, andcMcPherson (among others). I am embarrassed I have this book in my possession.

No, it does not cite its sources. There's and afterword that talks about the sources, but it's not footnoted like an actual academic work would be.
 
2012-12-24 05:49:51 PM  
his books are awful

/AWFUL
 
2012-12-24 05:53:01 PM  
i560.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-24 06:10:27 PM  

5 star chef of tv dinners: fusillade762: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Errata sheet for Killing Lincoln:

President Lincoln did not call his Cabinet the "No Spin Zone."

The scene on pages 197-218 describing Mary Todd Lincoln taking a long, luxurious shower with a falafel is factually incorrect. The White House had no shower.

President Lincoln's last words were not, "Fark that pinhead, J. W. Booth."

President Lincoln did not launch the War On Christmas.

[punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com image 500x1125]

What is the origin of those pictures.  Are those quotes that Fox news actually said or just something made up that Fox news could possibly say.  Just curious.




It's from an SNL parody of Fox and Friends. As far as I know they're not in reference to any actual quotes, but they're really no stupider than anything those twats have said in the past. When it comes to fact-checking them, it would probably be faster just to list the few things they actually got correct.
 
2012-12-24 06:11:39 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: thornhill: Do his books have any citations?

My mom got me this book for Christmas. It's burning a hole in my bookcase, sitting next to works by McCullough, Ambrose, andcMcPherson (among others). I am embarrassed I have this book in my possession.

No, it does not cite its sources. There's and afterword that talks about the sources, but it's not footnoted like an actual academic work would be.


Thanks.

What really pisses me off about books like this is that real non-fiction writers spend years going through archives, interviewing people, etc., and 20 percent of their books are the citations to back up all of their claims.
 
2012-12-24 06:12:00 PM  
I'll give O'Reilly credit for one thing...

When he is on TDS, he is actually rather polite and not only rolls with the jokes, but has fun with it. It's a important character trait to be able to laugh at yourself. In anything else, he's a smarmy, self righteous prick.
 
2012-12-24 06:17:32 PM  
"Errata" is one thing. It's easy to make a few mistakes in writing about history and really, referencing the Oval Office even though it hadn't been built yet is probably not an earthshaking error in the context of a book about a President.

What's more critical in a historical non-fiction book is: are the sources accurate? Are the attributions correct? Does the work give the true motivations to the figures in history, or does it raise useless speculation and pointlessly theorize about factors which weren't yet known at the time but which would later become apparent, in an attempt to make a famous person look bad in retrospect? Does it lean heavily on things like "If Lincoln had known--" or "If FDR were aware of--" or similar theoretical possibilities beloved of conspiracy theorists?

If so, then the book can be dismissed as bullshiat. Focusing on minor details like a poorly sourced reference to unbuilt offices is irrelevant. Speculating on whether Lincoln had secret motives to disenfranchise the Jews when he suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War* is not.

*I made that up.
 
2012-12-24 06:23:24 PM  
FTFA: "Abe would have liked this book," the Fox News television host Bill O'Reilly said

*closes window*

Ugh
 
2012-12-24 06:27:45 PM  

Gyrfalcon: If so, then the book can be dismissed as bullshiat. Focusing on minor details like a poorly sourced reference to unbuilt offices is irrelevant. Speculating on whether Lincoln had secret motives to disenfranchise the Jews when he suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War* is not.

*I made that up.


That would be ironic since Lincoln actually had to order Grant to stop deporting Jews from the areas under his command.
 
2012-12-24 06:45:44 PM  

Gyrfalcon: "Errata" is one thing. It's easy to make a few mistakes in writing about history and really, referencing the Oval Office even though it hadn't been built yet is probably not an earthshaking error in the context of a book about a President.


At best the source O'Reilly cited said that Lincoln was doing x, y and z in his office at the White House and O'Reilly changed it to the oval office, which is sloppy writing by him; at worse he used a source that specifically said Lincoln did x, y and z in the Oval Office, which calls into question the quality of his source (clearly such a source is not primary), which is poor researching and scholarship.

And because of who O'Reilly is, I imagine that the fact checkers were instructed to go light.
 
2012-12-24 06:52:42 PM  

Captain Darling: Gyrfalcon: If so, then the book can be dismissed as bullshiat. Focusing on minor details like a poorly sourced reference to unbuilt offices is irrelevant. Speculating on whether Lincoln had secret motives to disenfranchise the Jews when he suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War* is not.

*I made that up.

That would be ironic since Lincoln actually had to order Grant to stop deporting Jews from the areas under his command.


You are a scholar and a gentleman. I'm a great fan of Civil War trivia and curious facts like this and this was something new to add to my collection.
 
2012-12-24 06:56:34 PM  

sadbad: What a good book about presidential assassinations might look like:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x337]


The bits about Robert Lincoln were unbelievably sad.
 
2012-12-24 08:18:12 PM  
Does anyone believe he really writes this shiat? I thought it was really hilarious that he supposedly writes his own show every day.
 
2012-12-24 08:20:41 PM  

Mikey1969: I'll give O'Reilly credit for one thing...

When he is on TDS, he is actually rather polite and not only rolls with the jokes, but has fun with it. It's a important character trait to be able to laugh at yourself. In anything else, he's a smarmy, self righteous prick.


He was on Letterman one night and Trump was on the next. You can probably guess who came off like the bigger douchebag.
 
2012-12-24 08:33:29 PM  

fusillade762: As much as I loathe O'reily TFA says nothing of the sort.

After some errors were found in the Lincoln book, however, most notably a reference to the Oval Office, which had not yet been built, Mr. O'Reilly did insist that his publishers hire fact checkers. And so far there have been no complaints on Kennedy.

Sounds like he's striving to keep things accurate.


Came to say this. When it comes to making money by means OTHER than stirring up rage and controversey, it appears O'reilly has learned that keeping to the truth is actually preferable.
 
2012-12-24 08:39:39 PM  

fusillade762: Mikey1969: I'll give O'Reilly credit for one thing...

When he is on TDS, he is actually rather polite and not only rolls with the jokes, but has fun with it. It's a important character trait to be able to laugh at yourself. In anything else, he's a smarmy, self righteous prick.

He was on Letterman one night and Trump was on the next. You can probably guess who came off like the bigger douchebag.


Well, when you go up against Trump, NOBODY can be a bigger douchebag.
 
2012-12-24 08:49:16 PM  

Gyrfalcon: "Errata" is one thing. It's easy to make a few mistakes in writing about history and really, referencing the Oval Office even though it hadn't been built yet is probably not an earthshaking error in the context of a book about a President.

What's more critical in a historical non-fiction book is: are the sources accurate? Are the attributions correct? Does the work give the true motivations to the figures in history, or does it raise useless speculation and pointlessly theorize about factors which weren't yet known at the time but which would later become apparent, in an attempt to make a famous person look bad in retrospect? Does it lean heavily on things like "If Lincoln had known--" or "If FDR were aware of--" or similar theoretical possibilities beloved of conspiracy theorists?

If so, then the book can be dismissed as bullshiat. Focusing on minor details like a poorly sourced reference to unbuilt offices is irrelevant. Speculating on whether Lincoln had secret motives to disenfranchise the Jews when he suspended habeas corpus during the Civil War* is not.

*I made that up.


Since this has been published to the internet, I can now cite you as a source.
 
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