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2012-12-24 12:59:11 PM  
Somehow I'm not surprised that the guy who condemned two generations of nerds to permanent virginity is a joyless pedant.
 
2012-12-24 01:01:33 PM  

Sid_6.7: Weaver95: 2wolves: Gamma World shall not be forgotten.

nor shall star frontiers!

Any love for Alternity?


only for the star*drive setting.  I didn't like the rest.
 
2012-12-24 01:06:10 PM  

Weaver95: Sid_6.7: Weaver95: 2wolves: Gamma World shall not be forgotten.

nor shall star frontiers!

Any love for Alternity?

only for the star*drive setting. I didn't like the rest.


I mostly liked the mechanics. The different levels of success, the health system, the step bonus/penalty involving rolling more dice. And they managed to fit a hell of a lot of game system content in the PHB, like the psychic powers, implants, the computer stuff, etc.
 
2012-12-24 01:09:05 PM  
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
Worst Christmas card ever
/wanted to find him dressed in DM outfit
//I failed at the Googles
 
2012-12-24 01:10:23 PM  

Sid_6.7: Weaver95: Sid_6.7: Weaver95: 2wolves: Gamma World shall not be forgotten.

nor shall star frontiers!

Any love for Alternity?

only for the star*drive setting. I didn't like the rest.

I mostly liked the mechanics. The different levels of success, the health system, the step bonus/penalty involving rolling more dice. And they managed to fit a hell of a lot of game system content in the PHB, like the psychic powers, implants, the computer stuff, etc.


I really liked the star*drive setting.  I wish they'd actually gotten a chance to play out the war to it's logical conclusion.  I believe one or two of the writers DID put together the notes of where they intended to go with the metaplot and put it out online via bittorrent but once that was done, the setting kinda died.  damn shame too, since I loved the big bad aliens they'd thought up.
 
2012-12-24 01:16:57 PM  

Weaver95: Sid_6.7: Weaver95: Sid_6.7: Weaver95: 2wolves: Gamma World shall not be forgotten.

nor shall star frontiers!

Any love for Alternity?

only for the star*drive setting. I didn't like the rest.

I mostly liked the mechanics. The different levels of success, the health system, the step bonus/penalty involving rolling more dice. And they managed to fit a hell of a lot of game system content in the PHB, like the psychic powers, implants, the computer stuff, etc.

I really liked the star*drive setting.  I wish they'd actually gotten a chance to play out the war to it's logical conclusion.  I believe one or two of the writers DID put together the notes of where they intended to go with the metaplot and put it out online via bittorrent but once that was done, the setting kinda died.  damn shame too, since I loved the big bad aliens they'd thought up.


Wow can't believe there's people out there who also played Gamma World and Star Frontiers. Wish they would do something (MMO or regular game) with those systems. They were great fun, especially Star Frontiers.

/Also had a lot of fun with Boot Hill, a western RPG
 
2012-12-24 01:17:39 PM  
oi45.tinypic.com
 
2012-12-24 01:21:37 PM  
Who in the hell is Gary Gygax and why am I supposed to care?
 
2012-12-24 01:22:37 PM  

largedon:
Wow can't believe there's people out there who also played Gamma World and Star Frontiers. Wish they would do something (MMO or regular game) with those systems. They were great fun, especially Star Frontiers.


Be careful what you wish for - they relauched Gamma World a little while back. The results were not pretty.
 
2012-12-24 01:22:58 PM  

Weaver95: Sid_6.7: Exception Collection: My Kender became a Fremlin!

Arguably an improvement.

Gods, I hated kender.


They're great for being bags of holding. You just have to confront them on what you need and they'll produce it along with some wild excuse. Only time it back fires is when they hide their stolen goods in the Gully Dwarf's bag of goodies.

/Gully Dwarf always aged his midnight snacks for at least a month
 
2012-12-24 01:23:52 PM  
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2012-12-24 01:26:41 PM  

Tad_Waxpole: Who in the hell is Gary Gygax and why am I supposed to care?


He invented a "game" that formalizes obsessive-compulsive behavior, and it gave an entire generation Asperger's Syndrome. Unsurprisingly, he appears to be an asshole.
 
2012-12-24 01:29:04 PM  

jso2897: Tad_Waxpole: Who in the hell is Gary Gygax and why am I supposed to care?

He invented a "game" that formalizes obsessive-compulsive behavior, and it gave an entire generation Asperger's Syndrome. Unsurprisingly, he appears to be an asshole.


...and yet the gamers on this discussion thread are better socially adjusted than you are.

hmm.  curious.
 
2012-12-24 01:29:50 PM  

farkeruk: Jesus rolled to save.


Okay, that was funny.
 
2012-12-24 01:29:53 PM  

Raharu: Most Christians don't actually read the bible, and the ones that do cherry pick the hell out of it.

Christmas is a secular seasonal holiday now for the most part anyway.


Then why is it always observed on the 25th?

If the goal is to give everyone a winter day off why is it not observed on the second to last Monday or Friday of the month of December no matter when the Christian holiday of Christmas falls.

Christmas is clearly a religious holiday and as such has no right to be included in the Federal holiday calendar. It should be removed.
 
2012-12-24 01:31:01 PM  

Tad_Waxpole: Who in the hell is Gary Gygax and why am I supposed to care?


If you do not know, then you should not be in the Geek section.
 
2012-12-24 01:31:52 PM  

Sid_6.7: Weaver95: 2wolves: Gamma World shall not be forgotten.

nor shall star frontiers!

Any love for Alternity?


Yes! The Alternity version of the Gamma World rules is the best version to date. I had high hopes for the 4e version of Gamma World, what sucked for D&D would have worked great in Gamma World, sadly they went with that stupid random card mechanic and dumbed down 4e rules.
 
2012-12-24 01:36:07 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: Sid_6.7: Weaver95: 2wolves: Gamma World shall not be forgotten.

nor shall star frontiers!

Any love for Alternity?

Yes! The Alternity version of the Gamma World rules is the best version to date. I had high hopes for the 4e version of Gamma World, what sucked for D&D would have worked great in Gamma World, sadly they went with that stupid random card mechanic and dumbed down 4e rules.


Paizo read the gamer market correctly and, as a result, has largely prospered.  I hear things are not going as well over at WoTC these days.
 
2012-12-24 01:36:39 PM  

Tad_Waxpole: Who in the hell is Gary Gygax and why am I supposed to care?


i.imgur.com
Sports tab is to your left. Go play some fantasy football.
 
2012-12-24 01:36:53 PM  
And to think all those Christian nutters in the 1980's were screaming their idiot heads off about how D&D was a tool of Satan.
 
2012-12-24 01:37:21 PM  

Weaver95: jso2897: Tad_Waxpole: Who in the hell is Gary Gygax and why am I supposed to care?

He invented a "game" that formalizes obsessive-compulsive behavior, and it gave an entire generation Asperger's Syndrome. Unsurprisingly, he appears to be an asshole.

...and yet the gamers on this discussion thread are better socially adjusted than you are.

hmm.  curious.


Most of us are married, with kids, holding down jobs that pay above 50K and few, like myself, well into six figures. We have never stopped being kids playing lets pretend, we just codified it to settle disputes with dice, and have never lost that sense of wonder or joy at just imagining slaying a dragon, being a gun slinging zombie killing badass, discovering an ancient ray gun in a post apocalyptic city or stomping some orks in shiny new power armor.

Hell we are passing our love of all things geek along to our children. If you have never seen some kids get really excited at some guys and gals in costume dressed up as Mario, Luigi, and Princess Peach GenCon, well then you have missed an expression of sheer joy and delight.
 
2012-12-24 01:37:30 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: Yes! The Alternity version of the Gamma World rules is the best version to date. I had high hopes for the 4e version of Gamma World, what sucked for D&D would have worked great in Gamma World, sadly they went with that stupid random card mechanic and dumbed down 4e rules.


Yeah, 4e is a steaming pile of WoW-based sh*t.

When I DM it's something along the lines of 3.25e.

/in before "but Pathfinder...!"
 
2012-12-24 01:40:11 PM  
farm8.staticflickr.com
Farktography #343: "Dungeons & Dragons" by Ennuipoet * FreeVerse Photography, on Flickr

/roll your Saving Throw biatches!
 
2012-12-24 01:40:29 PM  

Parthenogenetic: I particularly enjoy the juxtaposition of "brazen strumpet" and "haughty courtesan" in the table, to match the preceding descriptive paragraph.


I see 'Slovenly Trull' and can only think of Frank Zappa's Goblin Girl. She's a goblin girl and she can gobble it all...
 
2012-12-24 01:42:29 PM  

Ennuipoet: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 640x427]
Farktography #343: "Dungeons & Dragons" by Ennuipoet * FreeVerse Photography, on Flickr

/roll your Saving Throw biatches!


if you're playing Tomb of Horrors...don't bother with saves.
 
2012-12-24 01:49:30 PM  

Sid_6.7: Slaves2Darkness: Yes! The Alternity version of the Gamma World rules is the best version to date. I had high hopes for the 4e version of Gamma World, what sucked for D&D would have worked great in Gamma World, sadly they went with that stupid random card mechanic and dumbed down 4e rules.

Yeah, 4e is a steaming pile of WoW-based sh*t.


No it is not WoW based. but if all you have ever played is 3.crap (seriously if you compare the editions, 3.x is the worst one in the games history, even Gygax said he did not like it) you would not know that. The things people claim it took from WoW (and other MMORPGs) are all things that MMORPGS took from the table top community. They are all things that were there since the 80's maybe 70's. WotC just decided to be straight about it in 4E to make designing the game easier.
 
2012-12-24 01:54:07 PM  

sjmcc13: Sid_6.7: Slaves2Darkness: Yes! The Alternity version of the Gamma World rules is the best version to date. I had high hopes for the 4e version of Gamma World, what sucked for D&D would have worked great in Gamma World, sadly they went with that stupid random card mechanic and dumbed down 4e rules.

Yeah, 4e is a steaming pile of WoW-based sh*t.

No it is not WoW based. but if all you have ever played is 3.crap (seriously if you compare the editions, 3.x is the worst one in the games history, even Gygax said he did not like it) you would not know that. The things people claim it took from WoW (and other MMORPGs) are all things that MMORPGS took from the table top community. They are all things that were there since the 80's maybe 70's. WotC just decided to be straight about it in 4E to make designing the game easier.


no, i'm sorry but...that is completely wrong.  4th edition D&D feels like and plays like a table top version of an MMO.  same mechanics, same cooldowns, same party make up (tank, healer, ranged DPS, melee DPS and a hybrid class for support role).  pathfinder is probably the best evolution of 3.x rules.  it's clear, works well, and scales well up to level 20.  I especially liked how they handled sorcerers in pathfinder.  and the newer classes (alchemist, gunslinger, witch to name a few) fit well for people who want to play a non-standard game.
 
2012-12-24 02:00:24 PM  
Merry Christmas and a....

gotgame.com

...Happy New Year!
 
2012-12-24 02:02:03 PM  

groppet: Whooopity do. My brothers BiL is the same way but he is also a bi polar nutter. But hey the rest of us need a nice holiday to celebrate and spoil our nieces and nephews.

/Built soooooooo many lego sets this weekend


Bipolar nutter describes my dad. Oh, how i wish i was kidding.

Holiday visits are always so much fun...not.
 
2012-12-24 02:05:52 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: "From an early age, Gygax hunted and was a target-shooter with both bow and gun.[65] He was also an avid gun collector, and at various times owned a variety of rifles, shotguns, and handguns.[66]"

Where in the Bible does it command that?


We find lots of stuff lurking in the Umbras and Emanations of the Constitution, so why in not the Umbras and Emanations of the Bible?
 
2012-12-24 02:06:31 PM  

Gergesa: If Christ came back from the dead does that making him an undead class of some sort? Are there undead clerics.


freethoughtblogs.com
 
2012-12-24 02:09:01 PM  
Jesus hate's Gary Gygax because the dice just go everywhere.

/Think about it
 
2012-12-24 02:09:11 PM  

Teufelaffe: Everybody knows that FATAL (NSFW or sanity) is the most hardcore and complex RPG out there.


I had an aneurysm halfway through that review. I feel potato.
 
2012-12-24 02:09:58 PM  

SCUBA_Archer: Gergesa: If Christ came back from the dead does that making him an undead class of some sort? Are there undead clerics.


Never gets old.
 
2012-12-24 02:13:30 PM  

Parthenogenetic: Yeah, I know the fighter "exceptional strength" table, but why shoehorn all that in between 18 and 19?


Perhaps because 18 was the max for a human character to roll. If you got past that it was probably because of some significant, supernatural event. Once past 18 it seemed the attribute scores stopped being linear. In the manuals I think even the greater gods maxed out at 25 for their attributes, but to compare say Zeus's 25 strength against one of the strongest human's 18 wouldn't be the same as comparing 18 to 11.
 
2012-12-24 02:17:16 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: Raharu: Most Christians don't actually read the bible, and the ones that do cherry pick the hell out of it.

Christmas is a secular seasonal holiday now for the most part anyway.

Then why is it always observed on the 25th?

If the goal is to give everyone a winter day off why is it not observed on the second to last Monday or Friday of the month of December no matter when the Christian holiday of Christmas falls.

Christmas is clearly a religious holiday and as such has no right to be included in the Federal holiday calendar. It should be removed.


Religious, yes.  Christian, no.  Removed from Federal calendar? Eh, if we can change our money, Pledge, and a whole host of other things as well, sure.
 
2012-12-24 02:18:08 PM  
Jesus was also very specific about divorce. I'm always irritated by literalist or fundamentalist Christians who like to tell everyone else what to do but who are divorced.
 
2012-12-24 02:19:00 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Who the fark cares?


I don't know anything about D&D, but I think it's interesting. He was a fascinating guy and this gives some little glimpse into his world.
 
2012-12-24 02:19:19 PM  

SCUBA_Archer: Gergesa: If Christ came back from the dead does that making him an undead class of some sort? Are there undead clerics.

[freethoughtblogs.com image 512x640]


Well thank God someone finally cleared this up for me. Now I can go create my bible based MMO and have Jesus depicted as the correct class. Watch out WoW I'm coming for you with a fist full of holy trinity!!!
 
2012-12-24 02:34:21 PM  

jjorsett: Quantum Apostrophe: "From an early age, Gygax hunted and was a target-shooter with both bow and gun.[65] He was also an avid gun collector, and at various times owned a variety of rifles, shotguns, and handguns.[66]"

Where in the Bible does it command that?

We find lots of stuff lurking in the Umbras and Emanations of the Constitution, so why in not the Umbras and Emanations of the Bible?


If you are going to make political derp in a nerd thread get it right!
 
2012-12-24 02:34:58 PM  

Weaver95: (tank, healer, ranged DPS, melee DPS and a hybrid class for support role)


You mean like fighter, cleric, thief, magic-user, and elf? And the cooldowns are there to encourage you to use multiple powers - as opposed to 3.x, where the standard wizard spell selection was fireball, fireball, fireball, bigger fireball, hotter fireball, fireball rules with the damage type switched out for acid, delayed blat fireball, fireball with longer range and the damage type switched to cold, moronically rolling fireball, etc., etc.(or, you could just go full warlock* and just spam tard-blast infinitely). About the only thing they stole from MMOs that wasn't stole from them first was quick healing; and let's face it, I want to play heroic dungeon-crawl, not heroic ICU visit (if nothing else, the Balor can be beaten, unlike the health insurance rep).

Personally, I would have preferred they kept both lines, but D&D has always been the gateway drug of roleplaying. 3.x had some very nice features, but had a learning curve that was effectively a straight vertical, and was littered with hidden pitfalls for those who couldn't game out a character to level 20 at the beginning (simply selecting paladin as your class comes to find as the big one). 4e is a much simpler and more forgiving game. i don't care that there are no skills for chartered accountants, and that wizard is no longer the only class that matters - I want to be able to explain the game mechanics in less than a fortnight, and get someone hooked before the Cheetos high wears off. Now, the Essentials thing mucked thing sup, and one would hope that 5e would unify and tighten the rule-set, though everything I hear sounds like they are making zombie 3.x for the smallest subset of basement-dwellers possible.

* the class built for those who thought sorcerer was too complicated to play
 
2012-12-24 02:36:42 PM  

largedon: Weaver95: Sid_6.7: Weaver95: Sid_6.7: Weaver95: 2wolves: Gamma World shall not be forgotten.

nor shall star frontiers!

Any love for Alternity?

only for the star*drive setting. I didn't like the rest.

I mostly liked the mechanics. The different levels of success, the health system, the step bonus/penalty involving rolling more dice. And they managed to fit a hell of a lot of game system content in the PHB, like the psychic powers, implants, the computer stuff, etc.

I really liked the star*drive setting.  I wish they'd actually gotten a chance to play out the war to it's logical conclusion.  I believe one or two of the writers DID put together the notes of where they intended to go with the metaplot and put it out online via bittorrent but once that was done, the setting kinda died.  damn shame too, since I loved the big bad aliens they'd thought up.

Wow can't believe there's people out there who also played Gamma World and Star Frontiers. Wish they would do something (MMO or regular game) with those systems. They were great fun, especially Star Frontiers.

/Also had a lot of fun with Boot Hill, a western RPG


Have Gamma World sitting on my kitchen counter as I type this. Started my kids on a campaign not long ago.

/my kids love the game
//they love rolling character mutations the most....like me
///one of them let the cover page get torn off
////RAGE!
//Star Frontiers also kicked ass. Dralasites ruled.
 
2012-12-24 02:40:19 PM  

Weaver95: Ennuipoet: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 640x427]
Farktography #343: "Dungeons & Dragons" by Ennuipoet * FreeVerse Photography, on Flickr

/roll your Saving Throw biatches!

if you're playing Tomb of Horrors...don't bother with saves.


Definitely. That module was a brutal trap-fest with a final encounter that pretty much assured you'd be wadding up some character sheets if your DM wasn't particularly benevolent.


Also, on the subject of obscure TSR. Anyone remember Dawn Patrol?
 
2012-12-24 02:45:05 PM  

phalamir: Weaver95: (tank, healer, ranged DPS, melee DPS and a hybrid class for support role)

You mean like fighter, cleric, thief, magic-user, and elf? And the cooldowns are there to encourage you to use multiple powers - as opposed to 3.x, where the standard wizard spell selection was fireball, fireball, fireball, bigger fireball, hotter fireball, fireball rules with the damage type switched out for acid, delayed blat fireball, fireball with longer range and the damage type switched to cold, moronically rolling fireball, etc., etc.). Save or die, save or die, save or die, save or die, just plain die (no save)


FTFY
 
2012-12-24 02:45:41 PM  

Weaver95: no, i'm sorry but...that is completely wrong. 4th edition D&D feels like and plays like a table top version of an MMO. same mechanics, same cooldowns, same party make up (tank, healer, ranged DPS, melee DPS and a hybrid class for support role). pathfinder is probably the best evolution of 3.x rules. it's clear, works well, and scales well up to level 20. I especially liked how they handled sorcerers in pathfinder. and the newer classes (alchemist, gunslinger, witch to name a few) fit well for people who want to play a non-standard game.


When 3E came out, I could flip through the book, and it felt like D&D. There was enough continuity with 2nd ed. 4th ed. did not have that same feel for me.


So much makes no goddamn sense in 4th ed. Healing bursts, or whatever they're called. Everyone can suddenly not have been stabbed several times per day? Every thief/rogue is just as good at all thief-type skills as every other one, since they were all combined under a single skill?

Abilities you can only use once per 'encounter'? Can you imagine the philosophers of that world trying to figure out why they could only use an ability at intervals defined by some apparently arbitrary conceptual limit?
 
2012-12-24 02:48:33 PM  
Dammit. I was curious about that and clicked before I realized it was at BB, where I was banned for being critical of their bullshiat hipster circus.
 
2012-12-24 02:52:18 PM  

mat catastrophe: Dammit. I was curious about that and clicked before I realized it was at BB, where I was banned for being critical of their bullshiat hipster circus.


They got it from here
 
2012-12-24 02:53:01 PM  

MikeyistheDevil: Weaver95: Ennuipoet: [farm8.staticflickr.com image 640x427]
Farktography #343: "Dungeons & Dragons" by Ennuipoet * FreeVerse Photography, on Flickr

/roll your Saving Throw biatches!

if you're playing Tomb of Horrors...don't bother with saves.

Definitely. That module was a brutal trap-fest with a final encounter that pretty much assured you'd be wadding up some character sheets if your DM wasn't particularly benevolent.


Module S1. On my shelf.

"Who's the most powerful character? Okay, you're dead, give me your sheet. Who's the next most powerful character? Okay, you're dead, give me your sheet" and so on.
 
2012-12-24 02:56:46 PM  

phalamir: Weaver95: (tank, healer, ranged DPS, melee DPS and a hybrid class for support role)

You mean like fighter, cleric, thief, magic-user, and elf? And the cooldowns are there to encourage you to use multiple powers - as opposed to 3.x, where the standard wizard spell selection was fireball, fireball, fireball, bigger fireball, hotter fireball, fireball rules with the damage type switched out for acid, delayed blat fireball, fireball with longer range and the damage type switched to cold, moronically rolling fireball, etc., etc


Each and everyone of those classes can perform very different roles, depending on the player managing them. Combat mages, melee based clerics, ranged fighters, acrobat rogues, necromancer wizards.

If you need cool downs in your rule set to help your players find some variety, then your players are terribly unimaginative, or your DM is. Try having a wizard memorize nothing but fireball and any competent DM will punish him with fire immune creatures, counter spelling enemy wizards, anti magic zones, wild magic zones or a well placed silenced cross bow bold to his torso. Try being creative and not letting your players go full munchkin on you. There is a reason there is a vast array of spells available.

Dungeons and Dragons is not difficult to learn, but is complicated enough to provide the clever and imaginative player with endless hours of play. It doesn't need to be simplified and dumbed down as that can be done by each group according to their wants and needs. If you want simple and straightforward, don't allow extra source books beyond the dungeon master;s guide, player's handbook and monster manual.
 
2012-12-24 02:57:37 PM  

farkeruk: Jesus rolled to save.


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