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2012-12-24 10:37:22 AM

cretinbob: Scerpes: Machine guns are legal, though regulated.

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Ask what the penalty for not paying the tax is


Machine guns are legal. Period.
 
2012-12-24 10:37:25 AM

david_gaithersburg: I do believe your beginning to understand. Congrats!


Actually, I do believe you're oversimplifying the issue. The issue wasn't so much as a tyrannical government, it was a government controlled by a corporate monopoly, the biggest and richest in history, actually. The East India company.

In reality, you have them to thank for us existing as a nation. It was their political posturing and involvement that pushed the crown to make the tax policies it had.
 
2012-12-24 10:37:50 AM

snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

It's outdated, it's a holdover from a time before we had a National Guard and it's used as a blanket shield by a handful of corporations to flood our society with weapons simply for the sake of profit without a thought given to the damage that it's doing to our people and society as a whole.

The Constitution is not written in stone and not only 'can' it be changed, but it 'should' be changed to reflect a changing nation. And I think it's past time for us to retire this Amendment. Guns do not make us safer. They make us less safe, less secure and they're a detriment to the common good of the American people.

Enough.

If yur gonna change it, legalize RPGs and machine guns so we can keep up with the neighbors.
THAT was the intent of the Constitution, to arm the citizens with people killing weapons.
Huntin' squirrel hardly seems to be worth all the Constitutionalizing.

Shoot, why stop there? Tactical nuclear weapons are just another step up the ladder.

When the neighbors get 'em, yes.
Sorry to say, but, yes.


well, there 'are' rumors of ex-Soviet sleeper agents with suitcase nukes out there still. And terrorists with the makings of 'dirty' radiation bombs.

Are we 'really' going to wait for them to set one off before arming ourselves with equivalent weaponry? Clearly, we have to be preemptive in this and arm ourselves with nuclear weaponry first.

It's the American way.
 
2012-12-24 10:37:57 AM

ParaHandy: I thought banning the dvil weed stopped all that?


But...prohibition doesn't work!!!!
 
2012-12-24 10:38:06 AM

Thuull: Yeah...not quite sure why you're taking a jab at me there.  What part of what I said made you think I want to have to worry about carrying a sidearm?  Besides, Fire Marshals where I live are not armed.


Dude. Lighten up. It was a joke. :P

No jab intended!
 
2012-12-24 10:38:11 AM

cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: Now all the bad people have to do is to keep shooting people and they'll take away all the good people's guns.   Ironic, and it works out for the bad people.

How much you wanna bet this was a legal gun? How do you explain that?

That it was a bad person.

So rather than making it more difficult for "bad people" to get a legal gun, you want to arm everyone so that more people are likely to die in these things?

Smart!

You are putting words in my mouth.  This discussion is pointless.  I'm just saying that the bad person is the fault of this new horror.

Yes he is, and it likely wouldn't be a new horror if the bad person didn't have access to a gun.

And bad people will have guns no matter what restrictions are put on the good people.

Then please explain why gun crimes in the UK went down something like 60 percent following the 1997 firearms act? Or why gun crimes in NYC now are so low that this month they went a day and a half with zero reported violent crime in the city, and that was the first time it had happened since the 1960s?


Better street drugs.
 
2012-12-24 10:38:55 AM
BronyMedic: I agree. It's high time we turned from the wicked sinful choice of homosexuality, and back to Jesus H Christ, our lord and savior.


But the guns have always been there. Something has changed.

Care to wager about the shooter being a disaffected young white male?
 
2012-12-24 10:38:56 AM

snocone: BokerBill: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

What would a well regulated militia look like? 'Cause, with all these mass shootings it's apparent we need one.

Citizen, that is your job.
Git er dun.


Exactly: it's just the opposite of well regulated. Why does the NRA hate the second amendment?
 
2012-12-24 10:38:57 AM

david_gaithersburg: Our second amendment also serves to guarantee that the government will think twice


You could just say, "I need these things to shoot American soldiers."
If you were honest.
 
2012-12-24 10:39:20 AM
How is this even possible? Surely someone in Webster must have had a gun. By all logic, this should have never occurred.
 
2012-12-24 10:39:20 AM
all quiet in freeperland.
 
2012-12-24 10:39:27 AM

Scerpes: Machine guns are legal. Period.


Good luck getting one made after 1982 without being a Class III FFL Dealer and selling to Law Enforcement or select PMCs vetted for ownership of such weapons.3

There's a reason why LEGAL Machine Guns are rare on the civilian market, and why they cost more than your firstborn son will.
 
2012-12-24 10:39:39 AM

Scerpes: Infernalist: I guess you've never been behind the wheel of a car.

Cars are not designed to kill people.

Hmmm...and yet they kill more than guns. I guess that's just a sad byproduct.


yeah, actually, it is. Cars are designed for transportation and with safety in mind. People misuse them and people die as a result.

Handguns and assault rifles are designed solely with the intent to kill people. Not hunt. Not target practice. Not sport shooting. They are made with the intent to be used to kill people.

That's the difference.
 
2012-12-24 10:39:43 AM

Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

It's outdated, it's a holdover from a time before we had a National Guard and it's used as a blanket shield by a handful of corporations to flood our society with weapons simply for the sake of profit without a thought given to the damage that it's doing to our people and society as a whole.

The Constitution is not written in stone and not only 'can' it be changed, but it 'should' be changed to reflect a changing nation. And I think it's past time for us to retire this Amendment. Guns do not make us safer. They make us less safe, less secure and they're a detriment to the common good of the American people.

Enough.

If yur gonna change it, legalize RPGs and machine guns so we can keep up with the neighbors.
THAT was the intent of the Constitution, to arm the citizens with people killing weapons.
Huntin' squirrel hardly seems to be worth all the Constitutionalizing.

Shoot, why stop there? Tactical nuclear weapons are just another step up the ladder.

When the neighbors get 'em, yes.
Sorry to say, but, yes.

well, there 'are' rumors of ex-Soviet sleeper agents with suitcase nukes out there still. And terrorists with the makings of 'dirty' radiation bombs.

Are we 'really' going to wait for them to set one off before arming ourselves with equivalent weaponry? Clearly, we have to be preemptive in this and arm ourselves with nuclear weaponry first.

It's the American way.


No it is not.
We always let the bad guy shoot first.
And mebee, a lil' help.

Truth, Justice and The American Way
 
2012-12-24 10:40:26 AM

Scerpes: Waxing_Chewbacca: Scerpes: Waxing_Chewbacca: david_gaithersburg: Oh the outrage, how dare they make a sensible statement such as having city schools be patrolled by city police officers. That would call fro removing the police from the doughnut shops.

This was at a fire. Idiot. Take your 2nd amendment and jam it up your ass

What other civil rights do you hate?

Is there another which you the tools to kill with speed, efficiency and devastation?

I guess you've never been behind the wheel of a car.


Have there been a rash of incidents in which people use a car as a weapon? Driving them into crowds on purpose?
 
2012-12-24 10:40:58 AM

Infernalist: Hmmm...and yet they kill more than guns. I guess that's just a sad byproduct.

yeah, actually, it is. Cars are designed for transportation and with safety in mind. People misuse them and people die as a result.

Handguns and assault rifles are designed solely with the intent to kill people. Not hunt. Not target practice. Not sport shooting. They are made with the intent to be used to kill people.

That's the difference.


And some people need killing.
 
2012-12-24 10:41:12 AM
Btw, four firefighters shot, two have passed away, other two in guarded condition.

I lived on this road for 20 years. Never seen anything like this.

One gunman has been located.

Now the firefighters can go in and do their jobs and maybe save people homes for Xmas.
 
2012-12-24 10:41:15 AM

letrole: But the guns have always been there. Something has changed.

Care to wager about the shooter being a disaffected young white male?


Sir, you are ignoring the issue. Jesus Christ shot a man for disrespecting him. If our lord and savior can do it, why can't we?

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2012-12-24 10:41:35 AM

letrole: BronyMedic: I agree. It's high time we turned from the wicked sinful choice of homosexuality, and back to Jesus H Christ, our lord and savior.


But the guns have always been there. Something has changed.

Care to wager about the shooter being a disaffected young white male?


The media has changed.
They openly try to legislate from the Idiot Box.
I guess they see the judges doing their thing and want in on it.
 
2012-12-24 10:41:44 AM

Scerpes: Infernalist: I guess you've never been behind the wheel of a car.

Cars are not designed to kill people.

Hmmm...and yet they kill more than guns. I guess that's just a sad byproduct.


By 2014 they won't. Also, cars are heavily regulated. Imagine if they weren't.
 
2012-12-24 10:41:57 AM
Really, we need semi-automatic weapons to kill 6-year-olds. The tree of liberty demands such sacrifices of our children and their parents and brothers and sisters.. Such sacrifice from ones so small. It makes me well up with tears of patriotism, how brave the little ones were as they were sacrificed.
 
2012-12-24 10:41:59 AM

filter: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.

There's  a part in our constitution that guarantees our right to bear arms and maintain a militia and it seems a lot of people seem to think there should be no restrictions on any guns at all because of it - no training classes required, no test, buy semi-autos and automatic weapons if you want them - things like that. Which is stupid when you have such a cultural problem in your country with people mishandling guns or outright going on a killing  spree.

We also  apparently have more crazy people. When I lived in Norway for a brief time, where many are also avid hunters, there were no such problems. They recently had that one incident where a crazy rampage shooter, Anders Breivik,  killed over 80 people, but  other than  that, it's usually pretty calm over there, except for stabbings, but you are going to have a hard time taking out multiple targets with a knife very effectively. So I'm going to go with "Americans are crazy, though I am still  proud to be one, I am just sad about all of this". Especially since I am a gun owner myself. So is my sister, and we live in the same house.

/all guns are safely locked away when not in use, except one

Living in Norway now- high rate of gun ownership here--- zero handguns, cops unarmed, and citizens need to keep weapons in gun safes at home. C&C? Forget about it.

That all said, there much more stabbings around hear.


Who told you zero handguns? That's a lie. You absolutely can buy a handgun in Norway, you just have to be 21 and have no criminal record. Also, anyone who doesn't keep their guns in a safe at home  is an idiot. Everyone I know, myself included, has a gun safe because we're responsible gun owners.

Yeah, stabbings can be an issue there, but that can happen anywhere, at any time, gun or not. It is simply a matter of keeping your citizenry safe without taking away all of their guns or their kitchen cutlery. Just ask them to be responsible with the guns and please quit getting stabby on your friend just cuz your both drunk and angry.

I never felt the need for a C&C there (which  I have here in Cali, cuz I used to live in some shifty areas), because it's not an unsafe place. You're in more danger of hypothermia.
 
2012-12-24 10:42:02 AM
Im about half way through the book Columbine, pretty fascinating book. Most of what most people took away from that tragedy is a bunch of bull. I recommend the book for those that want a little insight into that nightmare. The guard at the school was armed and exchanged fire with the Columbine shooters. Additional police were on the scene very quickly, in only a matter of a few minutes. The chaos and uncertainty of the situation is what kept them from going into the school for nearly 45 minutes. Also.. the local cops engaged in a cover up.. Eric Harris had been reported to the police 15 times in the two years prior to the shooting. They had at one point drawn up a search warrant for his house because they had been told he was building pipe bombs. It was never executed.  Anyways.. check out the book it doesnt spend an inordinate amount of time on the gory details, and the rest of the story is intriguing.
 
2012-12-24 10:42:09 AM

FarkinFarker: God damnit what's wrong with people?


Not enough guns. We need to arm firefighters and mount Howitzers on every fire truck.
 
2012-12-24 10:42:18 AM
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2012-12-24 10:42:19 AM

snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

It's outdated, it's a holdover from a time before we had a National Guard and it's used as a blanket shield by a handful of corporations to flood our society with weapons simply for the sake of profit without a thought given to the damage that it's doing to our people and society as a whole.

The Constitution is not written in stone and not only 'can' it be changed, but it 'should' be changed to reflect a changing nation. And I think it's past time for us to retire this Amendment. Guns do not make us safer. They make us less safe, less secure and they're a detriment to the common good of the American people.

Enough.

If yur gonna change it, legalize RPGs and machine guns so we can keep up with the neighbors.
THAT was the intent of the Constitution, to arm the citizens with people killing weapons.
Huntin' squirrel hardly seems to be worth all the Constitutionalizing.

Shoot, why stop there? Tactical nuclear weapons are just another step up the ladder.

When the neighbors get 'em, yes.
Sorry to say, but, yes.

well, there 'are' rumors of ex-Soviet sleeper agents with suitcase nukes out there still. And terrorists with the makings of 'dirty' radiation bombs.

Are we 'really' going to wait for them to set one off before arming ourselves with equivalent weaponry? Clearly, we have to be preemptive in this and arm ourselves with nuclear weaponry first.

It's the American way.

No it is not.
We always let the bad guy shoot first.
And mebee, a lil' help.

Truth, Justice and The American Way


And look at all those deaths that come from waiting first! Just think of the children.

As a matter of fact, let's put up some snipers on the roofs of all schools, just in case. And arm the teachers. And the lunch ladies.

You know, fark it, let's just arm all the kids.
 
2012-12-24 10:42:35 AM

here to help: This is the country you wanted, gun drooling microdicked constitution manipulating derp farmers.

I hope the sane people stand up and shut shoot this sh*t down once and for all. Enough is enough.


Fixed
 
2012-12-24 10:42:54 AM

Scerpes: Infernalist: Hmmm...and yet they kill more than guns. I guess that's just a sad byproduct.

yeah, actually, it is. Cars are designed for transportation and with safety in mind. People misuse them and people die as a result.

Handguns and assault rifles are designed solely with the intent to kill people. Not hunt. Not target practice. Not sport shooting. They are made with the intent to be used to kill people.

That's the difference.

And some people need killing.


That's not for gun owners to decide.
 
2012-12-24 10:43:22 AM

Coastalgrl: Btw, four firefighters shot, two have passed away, other two in guarded condition.


Goddamnit so much.

www.storestoshop.com
 
2012-12-24 10:43:31 AM

Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

It's outdated, it's a holdover from a time before we had a National Guard and it's used as a blanket shield by a handful of corporations to flood our society with weapons simply for the sake of profit without a thought given to the damage that it's doing to our people and society as a whole.

The Constitution is not written in stone and not only 'can' it be changed, but it 'should' be changed to reflect a changing nation. And I think it's past time for us to retire this Amendment. Guns do not make us safer. They make us less safe, less secure and they're a detriment to the common good of the American people.

Enough.

If yur gonna change it, legalize RPGs and machine guns so we can keep up with the neighbors.
THAT was the intent of the Constitution, to arm the citizens with people killing weapons.
Huntin' squirrel hardly seems to be worth all the Constitutionalizing.

Shoot, why stop there? Tactical nuclear weapons are just another step up the ladder.

When the neighbors get 'em, yes.
Sorry to say, but, yes.

well, there 'are' rumors of ex-Soviet sleeper agents with suitcase nukes out there still. And terrorists with the makings of 'dirty' radiation bombs.

Are we 'really' going to wait for them to set one off before arming ourselves with equivalent weaponry? Clearly, we have to be preemptive in this and arm ourselves with nuclear weaponry first.

It's the American way.

No it is not.
We always let the bad guy shoot first.
And mebee, a lil' help.

Truth, Justice and The American Way

And look at all those deaths that come from waiting first! Just think of the children.

As a matter of fact, let's put up some snipers on the roofs of all schools, just in case. And arm the teachers. And the lunch ladies.

You know, fark it, let's just arm all the kids.


I taught my 3 daughters.
You?
 
2012-12-24 10:43:47 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Scerpes: Infernalist: I guess you've never been behind the wheel of a car.

Cars are not designed to kill people.

Hmmm...and yet they kill more than guns. I guess that's just a sad byproduct.

By 2014 they won't. Also, cars are heavily regulated. Imagine if they weren't.


If only you had to wait 14 days to buy a new car.
 
2012-12-24 10:44:09 AM

letrole: BronyMedic: I agree. It's high time we turned from the wicked sinful choice of homosexuality, and back to Jesus H Christ, our lord and savior.


But the guns have always been there. Something has changed.

Care to wager about the shooter being a disaffected young white male?


You're right. Mass shootings didn't really occur until automatic weapons were introduced.
 
2012-12-24 10:44:24 AM

snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

It's outdated, it's a holdover from a time before we had a National Guard and it's used as a blanket shield by a handful of corporations to flood our society with weapons simply for the sake of profit without a thought given to the damage that it's doing to our people and society as a whole.

The Constitution is not written in stone and not only 'can' it be changed, but it 'should' be changed to reflect a changing nation. And I think it's past time for us to retire this Amendment. Guns do not make us safer. They make us less safe, less secure and they're a detriment to the common good of the American people.

Enough.

If yur gonna change it, legalize RPGs and machine guns so we can keep up with the neighbors.
THAT was the intent of the Constitution, to arm the citizens with people killing weapons.
Huntin' squirrel hardly seems to be worth all the Constitutionalizing.

Shoot, why stop there? Tactical nuclear weapons are just another step up the ladder.

When the neighbors get 'em, yes.
Sorry to say, but, yes.

well, there 'are' rumors of ex-Soviet sleeper agents with suitcase nukes out there still. And terrorists with the makings of 'dirty' radiation bombs.

Are we 'really' going to wait for them to set one off before arming ourselves with equivalent weaponry? Clearly, we have to be preemptive in this and arm ourselves with nuclear weaponry first.

It's the American way.

No it is not.
We always let the bad guy shoot first.
And mebee, a lil' help.

Truth, Justice and The American Way

And look at all those deaths that come from waiting first! Just think of the children.

As a matter of fact, let's put up some snipers on the roofs of all schools, just in case. And arm the teachers. And the lunch ladies.

You know, fark it, let's just arm all the kids.

I taught my 3 daughters.
You?


At 6 years old?
 
2012-12-24 10:44:27 AM

Infernalist: And some people need killing.

That's not for gun owners to decide.


Depends on the person, and whether they're actively trying to cause a serious physical injury to myself or someone else.
 
2012-12-24 10:44:31 AM

rwfan: The NRA is not going to be happy until we are all living Mad Max
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you always need to be armed to the teeth when you are walking your dingo


He didn't have any bullets, you retard. You're point? Not made.
 
2012-12-24 10:44:59 AM

IronTom: And bad people will have guns no matter what restrictions are put on the good people.


Bad people will always find ways to do bad things. A society that's saturated with and desensitized to guns just makes it so much easier. And it's not just the bad people who are using them. Good people snap and if there are guns handy, they're liable to use them. The statistics on women shot by their domestic partners are appalling.

Trying to demonize the mentally ill and claim this is a problem with crazy people rather than guns is ignoring the real issue.
 
2012-12-24 10:45:11 AM
TeddyRooseveltsMustache What's next? Are they gonna shoot paramedics when they respond to areas where people have been shot? This country does need gun control. Like you wouldn't believe.


Oh, it's too late for that. There hasn't been a need for that sort of regulation before.

The libertines and the amoral have bleated for years, each time they set forth to tear down the established order: You cannot legislate morality.

That's absolutely true.
 
2012-12-24 10:45:25 AM

Scerpes: cameroncrazy1984: Scerpes: Infernalist: I guess you've never been behind the wheel of a car.

Cars are not designed to kill people.

Hmmm...and yet they kill more than guns. I guess that's just a sad byproduct.

By 2014 they won't. Also, cars are heavily regulated. Imagine if they weren't.

If only you had to wait 14 days to buy a new car.


In New York, currently you have to have your license for a year before you can use it at night.
 
2012-12-24 10:45:25 AM

Scerpes: Infernalist: And some people need killing.

That's not for gun owners to decide.

Depends on the person, and whether they're actively trying to cause a serious physical injury to myself or someone else.


I wonder if Lanza thought those kids needed killing, too. You wonder?
 
2012-12-24 10:45:35 AM
I actually came here to snark, but I can't. I'm too sad.
 
2012-12-24 10:45:46 AM

whatshisname: Trying to demonize the mentally ill and claim this is a problem with crazy people rather than guns is ignoring the real issue.


It's absolutely a problem with crazy people. We already prohibit them from buying guns for a reason. We just expect them to tell the truth when they fill out the form.
 
2012-12-24 10:45:50 AM

Infernalist: I wonder if Lanza thought those kids needed killing, too. You wonder?


He just didn't have to lead them as much.
 
2012-12-24 10:45:55 AM

Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

It's outdated, it's a holdover from a time before we had a National Guard and it's used as a blanket shield by a handful of corporations to flood our society with weapons simply for the sake of profit without a thought given to the damage that it's doing to our people and society as a whole.

The Constitution is not written in stone and not only 'can' it be changed, but it 'should' be changed to reflect a changing nation. And I think it's past time for us to retire this Amendment. Guns do not make us safer. They make us less safe, less secure and they're a detriment to the common good of the American people.

Enough.

If yur gonna change it, legalize RPGs and machine guns so we can keep up with the neighbors.
THAT was the intent of the Constitution, to arm the citizens with people killing weapons.
Huntin' squirrel hardly seems to be worth all the Constitutionalizing.

Shoot, why stop there? Tactical nuclear weapons are just another step up the ladder.

When the neighbors get 'em, yes.
Sorry to say, but, yes.

well, there 'are' rumors of ex-Soviet sleeper agents with suitcase nukes out there still. And terrorists with the makings of 'dirty' radiation bombs.

Are we 'really' going to wait for them to set one off before arming ourselves with equivalent weaponry? Clearly, we have to be preemptive in this and arm ourselves with nuclear weaponry first.

It's the American way.

No it is not.
We always let the bad guy shoot first.
And mebee, a lil' help.

Truth, Justice and The American Way

And look at all those deaths that come from waiting first! Just think of the children.

As a matter of fact, let's put up some snipers on the roofs of all schools, just in case. And arm the teachers. And the lunch ladies.

You know, fark it, let's just arm all the kids.

I taught my 3 daughters.
Yo ...


Good age for BB gun training. Maybe a year late, but OK.
They all built Nathan's Knife and know how to carve a turkey.
 
2012-12-24 10:46:02 AM

Scerpes: KarmicDisaster: I guess you've never been behind the wheel of a car.

We register cars and drivers and require licensing and theoretical testing and a practical test and full legal ID and insurance to drive one.

And I'm not opposed to doing the same with firearms, so long as you're willing to concede national concealed carry so that I can take my Glock from state to state, much like you can take your car.


I'd be for that, as long as the requirements are as strict as for driving a car, not a total joke as they are now in Wisconsin. One thing that I didn't mention is that the registered owner of a car is responsible for crimes committed with the car.  If your car goes through a red light camera, the registered owner gets the ticket for example.  Registration. Full  real legal USA ID to qualify. Required insurance with standards that cover typical claims. Theoretical multiple choice test. Practical shootin test with required range time. Instructor standards and qualifications.  (I'm thinking of the requirements in Texas for CCW as a model, they have a pretty good program). Registration renews every year like a car. Fee based, like vehicle registrations, so the states can make some money back on it.  Gas for cars is taxed by the states, and they should be able to tax ammo for guns likewise to cover costs.  I'm all for it.
 
2012-12-24 10:46:19 AM

BronyMedic: Thuull: Yeah...not quite sure why you're taking a jab at me there.  What part of what I said made you think I want to have to worry about carrying a sidearm?  Besides, Fire Marshals where I live are not armed.

Dude. Lighten up. It was a joke. :P

No jab intended!


Fair 'nuff...this kinda has me in a bad mood, so my sarcasm detector is completely fubar today.  Apologies for taking offense.
 
2012-12-24 10:46:46 AM

Mentalpatient87: Mimic_Octopus: for when the US govt ends up like the british one we threw off a few years ago.

Hah! You'll sit fat and content in your easy chair while it happens. You won't even notice, unless they take something from you during a commercial break...


When? It's already a corrupt oligarchy. Billionaires pay half the tax rate a family doctor or small business owner does. The federal government pays taxes to GE. Despite record prices and profits, the government subsidises Exxon. Minimum wage is half the poverty level in Europe. The income and wealth of the 0.1% has tripled in the last 10 years, while the middle class has stagnated and the poor have gotten poorer.

Welcome to feudalism 21st century style.
 
2012-12-24 10:46:53 AM

Thuull: Fair 'nuff...this kinda has me in a bad mood, so my sarcasm detector is completely fubar today.  Apologies for taking offense.


I've got to crack jokes. Otherwise I'm going to go cry myself to sleep because a fellow firefighter has just died.
 
2012-12-24 10:47:08 AM

snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

It's outdated, it's a holdover from a time before we had a National Guard and it's used as a blanket shield by a handful of corporations to flood our society with weapons simply for the sake of profit without a thought given to the damage that it's doing to our people and society as a whole.

The Constitution is not written in stone and not only 'can' it be changed, but it 'should' be changed to reflect a changing nation. And I think it's past time for us to retire this Amendment. Guns do not make us safer. They make us less safe, less secure and they're a detriment to the common good of the American people.

Enough.

If yur gonna change it, legalize RPGs and machine guns so we can keep up with the neighbors.
THAT was the intent of the Constitution, to arm the citizens with people killing weapons.
Huntin' squirrel hardly seems to be worth all the Constitutionalizing.

Shoot, why stop there? Tactical nuclear weapons are just another step up the ladder.

When the neighbors get 'em, yes.
Sorry to say, but, yes.

well, there 'are' rumors of ex-Soviet sleeper agents with suitcase nukes out there still. And terrorists with the makings of 'dirty' radiation bombs.

Are we 'really' going to wait for them to set one off before arming ourselves with equivalent weaponry? Clearly, we have to be preemptive in this and arm ourselves with nuclear weaponry first.

It's the American way.

No it is not.
We always let the bad guy shoot first.
And mebee, a lil' help.

Truth, Justice and The American Way

And look at all those deaths that come from waiting first! Just think of the children.

As a matter of fact, let's put up some snipers on the roofs of all schools, just in case. And arm the teachers. And the lunch ladies.

You know, fark it, let's just arm all the kids.

I taught my 3 ...


Well, when Lanza v2.0 shows up, maybe one of your darling little bb-trained daughters will use her knife skills to stop him.
 
2012-12-24 10:47:08 AM

LikeALeafOnTheWind: Im about half way through the book Columbine, pretty fascinating book. Most of what most people took away from that tragedy is a bunch of bull. I recommend the book for those that want a little insight into that nightmare. The guard at the school was armed and exchanged fire with the Columbine shooters. Additional police were on the scene very quickly, in only a matter of a few minutes. The chaos and uncertainty of the situation is what kept them from going into the school for nearly 45 minutes. Also.. the local cops engaged in a cover up.. Eric Harris had been reported to the police 15 times in the two years prior to the shooting. They had at one point drawn up a search warrant for his house because they had been told he was building pipe bombs. It was never executed.  Anyways.. check out the book it doesnt spend an inordinate amount of time on the gory details, and the rest of the story is intriguing.


Did they ever say why the police didn't execute the search warrant?
 
2012-12-24 10:47:32 AM

Infernalist: Depends on the person, and whether they're actively trying to cause a serious physical injury to myself or someone else.

I wonder if Lanza thought those kids needed killing, too. You wonder?


And that would be a great reason to keep crazy people and people who make weapons available to crazy people from buying firearms. It sure would be nice to be able to have a database to check to see if someone is mentally ill, like we can do with felons.
 
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