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2012-12-24 10:14:00 AM  

czei: I get it: gun violence is caused by liberals working for Obama has part of a grand conspiracy to take away our guns?


I don't know that they're working for Obama or are working to take away our guns, but yeah, I doubt any of the recent mass shooters were registered as Republicans. In fact, a fair number of them (Side show bob and Loughner) seem to have been Democratic activists of sorts.
 
2012-12-24 10:14:00 AM  

ladyfortuna: Coastalgrl: ladyfortuna: Coastalgrl:

The D&C article I linked has more details, but this makes it pretty clear: Authorities are on the scene evacuating residents. Residents are being evacuated from the Webster side of the bay to the Irondequoit side. They are being searched by New York state police and other authorities before being taken to a Regional Transit Service bus.

This is freaking me out.



Why are they being searched? The NRA would have the police issuing guns to them.
 
2012-12-24 10:14:10 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: ongbok: Cataholic: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

And by "armed guards", you mean one police officer who was off campus eating lunch in his car.

By armed he means armed with a radio and a whistle like at most non gang riddled high schools.

I would like to see a citation that the Columbine school security were armed when that shooting happened.

Columbine had armed guard. Did he save lives? I'm sure he did. The point is that obviously he was not a deterrent. He wasn't off campus either, he was just on the other side of the building. They had no problem shooting at him, too.

Address the root of the problem, don't react to it with "moar gunz!".

/yes, I own guns
//so does my sis
///obviously not anti-gun


And see how effective Clinton's "assault weapon" ban was at Columbine?

Feinstein either doesn't get it or . . . is evil.

I'll go with evil.
 
2012-12-24 10:14:26 AM  

chuckufarlie: Exactly what is the stupidity that you are so afraid of?


That they're wrong. So they'll double down on their position, because being wrong hurts their already shattered and bruised egos. Which is why they compensate by owning a gun and claiming it's to protect them from the government.
 
2012-12-24 10:14:32 AM  

KarmicDisaster: Infernalist: KarmicDisaster: Orgasmatron138: ongbok: Cataholic: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

And by "armed guards", you mean one police officer who was off campus eating lunch in his car.

By armed he means armed with a radio and a whistle like at most non gang riddled high schools.

I would like to see a citation that the Columbine school security were armed when that shooting happened.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/columbine-armed-guards_n_234 7 096.html

He shot at the attackers and missed. Oops.

The problem is that you are expecting a guy that stands there day after day after day for years on end in the most boring job ever, to go from most boring job ever to full on expert marksman against pumped up crazies in a fraction of a second with no warning. Just does not happen.

Then I guess armed guards in school is a stupid idea, isn't it?

I think that there is a deterrent factor and it is definitely needed in some schools for that. Should be an option when needed, as it is already. The evidence so far is that universal armed guards aren't going to help with this type of school shooting by maniacs.


guards in schools today are there to keep students from hurting each other. Guards in schools to protect the students from outside attack would be pointless. Now you have a gun battle going on inside of a school, with both sides killing students, even if it is by accident.

The answer is LESS guns, not more. Take the guns off the streets.
 
2012-12-24 10:14:48 AM  

IronTom: Now all the bad people have to do is to keep shooting people and they'll take away all the good people's guns.   Ironic, and it works out for the bad people.


How much you wanna bet this was a legal gun? How do you explain that?
 
2012-12-24 10:15:05 AM  

Mimic_Octopus: Infernalist: t actually happene

oh, well. ours then. you are familiar with how troops were raised from up and down the eastern seaboard and frontier for the revolution, no ?


You mean the one with the American military force, supplied by the French?

What else you got?
 
2012-12-24 10:15:16 AM  

Yakk: We need a list of everywhere to put armed guards for our protection from the bad people.

School
School playgrounds
School sporting events
Church
Beach
Park
Camp
Mall
Strip Mall
Grocery store
Festival
Public Fair
Amusement park
(Fire?)

and we should be covered. Unless they go after the guards first, then we are boned.


Or a LOEWNTPAGFOPFBP for short...
 
2012-12-24 10:15:32 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.

There's  a part in our constitution that guarantees our right to bear arms and maintain a militia and it seems a lot of people seem to think there should be no restrictions on any guns at all because of it - no training classes required, no test, buy semi-autos and automatic weapons if you want them - things like that. Which is stupid when you have such a cultural problem in your country with people mishandling guns or outright going on a killing  spree.

We also  apparently have more crazy people. When I lived in Norway for a brief time, where many are also avid hunters, there were no such problems. They recently had that one incident where a crazy rampage shooter, Anders Breivik,  killed over 80 people, but  other than  that, it's usually pretty calm over there, except for stabbings, but you are going to have a hard time taking out multiple targets with a knife very effectively. So I'm going to go with "Americans are crazy, though I am still  proud to be one, I am just sad about all of this". Especially since I am a gun owner myself. So is my sister, and we live in the same house.

/all guns are safely locked away when not in use, except one


Living in Norway now- high rate of gun ownership here--- zero handguns, cops unarmed, and citizens need to keep weapons in gun safes at home. C&C? Forget about it.

That all said, there much more stabbings around hear.
 
2012-12-24 10:15:40 AM  
www.cuerpoyarte.com

/too inside info?
 
2012-12-24 10:15:49 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: Now all the bad people have to do is to keep shooting people and they'll take away all the good people's guns.   Ironic, and it works out for the bad people.

How much you wanna bet this was a legal gun? How do you explain that?


That it was a bad person.
 
2012-12-24 10:16:23 AM  
Slightly on/off topic:  Didn't we have a thread back in the summer involving a hit and run in Webster, New York where the drunk denied ever doing it or some crazy shiat?
 
2012-12-24 10:16:34 AM  
letrole: But the Assryians collapsed in a long civil war.

cameroncrazy1984: But civilization did not, troll.


It did for the Assryians.
 
2012-12-24 10:17:08 AM  
I hear these stories and think we need to get rid of guns. Then other people hear these stories and think we need more guns.


//We cant even handle public restrooms how can we handle firearms?
 
2012-12-24 10:17:10 AM  

letrole: The problem with spree shootings isn't the innercity youths who are indeed armed to the teeth and willing to pull the trigger. The vast majority of firearm murders in the US comes from gangbangers and street thugs killing each other for practical reasons -- with specific targets. If the number of guns or the mere presense of guns were the problem, then you would expect to see pointless mass murders on the news each night.

The problem is rich white male misfits. Modern society is corrupt. The natural mechanisms that always kept erratic behaviour in check have been broken and perverted to favour the individual at the expense of the community.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses, and a new order reforms from the ashes


Or doesn't. There is no guarantee humanity will exist 100 years from now.
 
2012-12-24 10:17:22 AM  

farkmedown: And see how effective Clinton's "assault weapon" ban was at Columbine?

Feinstein either doesn't get it or . . . is evil.

I'll go with evil


Interestingly enough, they killed 12 students with shotguns and a carbine. the Sandy Hook guy had a Bushmaster assault rifle and he killed 26.
 
2012-12-24 10:17:26 AM  
Clearly, we need to put some 50 caliber machine guns on top of those fire trucks.
 
2012-12-24 10:17:50 AM  

KarmicDisaster: ladyfortuna: Coastalgrl: ladyfortuna: Coastalgrl:

The D&C article I linked has more details, but this makes it pretty clear: Authorities are on the scene evacuating residents. Residents are being evacuated from the Webster side of the bay to the Irondequoit side. They are being searched by New York state police and other authorities before being taken to a Regional Transit Service bus.

This is freaking me out.


Why are they being searched? The NRA would have the police issuing guns to them.


Why are you asking me? I don't even live there anymore... just know the area pretty well. Read the article I linked if you really want to know more...
 
2012-12-24 10:17:52 AM  

chuckufarlie: KarmicDisaster: Infernalist: KarmicDisaster: Orgasmatron138: ongbok: Cataholic: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

And by "armed guards", you mean one police officer who was off campus eating lunch in his car.

By armed he means armed with a radio and a whistle like at most non gang riddled high schools.

I would like to see a citation that the Columbine school security were armed when that shooting happened.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/columbine-armed-guards_n_234 7 096.html

He shot at the attackers and missed. Oops.

The problem is that you are expecting a guy that stands there day after day after day for years on end in the most boring job ever, to go from most boring job ever to full on expert marksman against pumped up crazies in a fraction of a second with no warning. Just does not happen.

Then I guess armed guards in school is a stupid idea, isn't it?

I think that there is a deterrent factor and it is definitely needed in some schools for that. Should be an option when needed, as it is already. The evidence so far is that universal armed guards aren't going to help with this type of school shooting by maniacs.

guards in schools today are there to keep students from hurting each other. Guards in schools to protect the students from outside attack would be pointless. Now you have a gun battle going on inside of a school, with both sides killing students, even if it is by accident.

The answer is LESS guns, not more. Take the guns off the streets.


You seem to want to argue with me when I'm agreeing with you. Armed guards are needed in some schools to deter in school crime. I don't think that they are going to help much if at all with attacks by maniacs.
 
2012-12-24 10:18:20 AM  

Fapinator: Too soon?


F*uck you
 
2012-12-24 10:18:23 AM  

Thuull: This is disgusting.  Last thing I need to worry about is another piece of gear on the fire scene.  Let's see...we have:  Helmet, bunker pants, bunker coat, hood, 2x pair gloves, radio, flashlight, boots, mask, airpack, pliers, Z-hook, thermal camera, gas meter, axe, halligan, sidearm.  WTF.


Good luck taking out a sniper at a fire scene at night.
 
2012-12-24 10:18:25 AM  

FriarReb98: Slightly on/off topic:  Didn't we have a thread back in the summer involving a hit and run in Webster, New York where the drunk denied ever doing it or some crazy shiat?


Yes. I don't have it favorited and I have to go to the vet, but yes we did.
 
2012-12-24 10:18:28 AM  

IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: Now all the bad people have to do is to keep shooting people and they'll take away all the good people's guns.   Ironic, and it works out for the bad people.

How much you wanna bet this was a legal gun? How do you explain that?

That it was a bad person.


So rather than making it more difficult for "bad people" to get a legal gun, you want to arm everyone so that more people are likely to die in these things?

Smart!
 
2012-12-24 10:19:07 AM  
feral hogs are some mean madafaks brah. defo recco sum GUNZ to fix ya pig problems
 
2012-12-24 10:19:27 AM  

Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.


What I see is missing from the discussion here is that the 2nd Amendment was originally a guarantee that the people could maintain their own arsenal to be brought to bear against a tyrannical government. It's not about the blacks or the Messicans stealing women and raping bibles (though, I LOL'ed hard at that one). The founding fathers had JUST completed an armed rebellion against an oppressive regime and they knew just how hard it was to scrounge up armaments for an entire rebellion. How helpful would it have been if the entire Continental Army already had weaponry? That is the reason for those people we lovingly call gun nuts wanting to have military-grade firepower.

This wasn't really a huge issue for a long time, but nowadays we are seeing more and more government intrusion/overreach (TSA, PATRIOT Act, pepper spray for public assembly, etc) and those of us who remember some basic history are getting nervous. When the jackbooted thugs come to hand deliver our government-assigned Freedom Beating or Freedom Killing, some of us aren't going to want to just lay there and take it.

/Important terms emboldened for your studying convenience
 
2012-12-24 10:20:06 AM  
You know something?

I was having a great morning. I managed to get a stroke patient within the window last night, and her NIH Score is now a 2 because they gave her the clotbuster. So I was feeling pretty good.

Then I read this, and found out three firefighters had been ambushed by an asshole. Two are critical, and may not survive.

fark these people so much.
 
2012-12-24 10:20:34 AM  
Man, anyone else feel like firing up Shadowrun?
 
2012-12-24 10:20:40 AM  

Mr. Eugenides: czei: I get it: gun violence is caused by liberals working for Obama has part of a grand conspiracy to take away our guns?

I don't know that they're working for Obama or are working to take away our guns, but yeah, I doubt any of the recent mass shooters were registered as Republicans. In fact, a fair number of them (Side show bob and Loughner) seem to have been Democratic activists of sorts.


right, the kid's mother was a survivalist. How many survivalists do you think are Democrats? The kid grew up in a Republican household.

The idea that these maniacs are working to take away your guns is incredibly stupid. They do not have a political agenda, they are pissed and want to take it out on people.

You should go find a mental health professional and have a nice long talk. They cannot cure stupid, but they can help with the crazy.
 
2012-12-24 10:21:08 AM  
Oh the outrage, how dare they make a sensible statement such as having city schools be patrolled by city police officers. That would call fro removing the police from the doughnut shops.
 
2012-12-24 10:21:26 AM  
This is sick.
 
2012-12-24 10:22:44 AM  

david_gaithersburg: Oh the outrage, how dare they make a sensible statement such as having city schools be patrolled by city police officers. That would call fro removing the police from the doughnut shops.


Ooh, it was a good try up until the easy spelling error.
 
2012-12-24 10:22:58 AM  

david_gaithersburg: Oh the outrage, how dare they make a sensible statement such as having city schools be patrolled by city police officers. That would call fro removing the police from the doughnut shops.


This was at a fire. Idiot. Take your 2nd amendment and jam it up your ass
 
2012-12-24 10:23:03 AM  

chuckufarlie: Mr. Eugenides: czei: I get it: gun violence is caused by liberals working for Obama has part of a grand conspiracy to take away our guns?

I don't know that they're working for Obama or are working to take away our guns, but yeah, I doubt any of the recent mass shooters were registered as Republicans. In fact, a fair number of them (Side show bob and Loughner) seem to have been Democratic activists of sorts.

right, the kid's mother was a survivalist. How many survivalists do you think are Democrats? The kid grew up in a Republican household.

The idea that these maniacs are working to take away your guns is incredibly stupid. They do not have a political agenda, they are pissed and want to take it out on people.

You should go find a mental health professional and have a nice long talk. They cannot cure stupid, but they can help with the crazy.


Nah, see, this is pure damage control. They 'have' to maintain their stance of 'persecuted victims' because then they don't have to explain how this is acceptable for our society to simply have to deal with on a daily basis.

Our society is saturated with small, easily hidden, easily carried tools meant only to kill other people. And then we have the balls to act surprised with unbalanced people get a hold of some and kill people.
 
2012-12-24 10:23:42 AM  

BronyMedic: Arthurgoboom: This wasn't really a huge issue for a long time, but nowadays we are seeing more and more government intrusion/overreach (TSA, PATRIOT Act, pepper spray for public assembly, etc) and those of us who remember some basic history are getting nervous

You must not remember basic history if you think this is new.

[parkplanning.nps.gov image 300x225]

Spare me your "We gotta fight the gubament now" crap. Where were you people when the Pinkerton Detective Agency was using armored cars with machine guns to murder striking mine workers?


Shoot, this goes all the way back to the Whiskey Rebellion. That worked out so well, right?
 
2012-12-24 10:23:46 AM  

Fapinator: [img689.imageshack.us image 729x600]

Too soon?


I hate this. Not because it's "too soon" or you offended me, but because it's like laughing at your own joke and elbowing the people around you to start laughing to. It's the same as people saying "aisle seat LOL" at the end of their posts because they assume they're just so clever and offensive. It's patting yourself on the back for a trolling attempt that probably didn't troll anyone.

It's not too soon because that joke is old.
 
2012-12-24 10:24:14 AM  

FarkinFarker: God damnit what's wrong with people?


Pretty much this. I have never understood why people will shoot at medics and firefighters. They're not going to arrest you; they're here to help save lives.

I think I need a shot of something already and it's *checks clock* 10:24a.
 
2012-12-24 10:24:25 AM  

Waxing_Chewbacca: david_gaithersburg: Oh the outrage, how dare they make a sensible statement such as having city schools be patrolled by city police officers. That would call fro removing the police from the doughnut shops.

This was at a fire. Idiot. Take your 2nd amendment and jam it up your ass


What other civil rights do you hate?
 
2012-12-24 10:24:30 AM  

Mimic_Octopus: Infernalist: rth

umm, just about every single one that has ever been toppled ? you think they all stepped down after a debate ?

how many revolutions were successfully carried out without guns ?


Well, every revolution that predates guns and a smattering of revolutions in recent history. Recent is a relative term so keep that in mind when doing your research.

Further - guns are for well regulated militias and not your uncle Bob who still watches the tree lines for "Japs".

The problem with this discussion is that somehow you think you can acquire enough guns to fight in a revolution against the US. A gun is worthless without continued training and downright dangerous without strict regulation.

If having armed forces to fight against this future government makes you feel better then you're responsible for establishing a plan that doesn't make everyone more dangerous in doing so.
 
2012-12-24 10:24:53 AM  
Let's filter this article through the translator :OBEY...AFRAID...FEAR...OBEY..PARANOIA ....OBEY..OBEY...WWHHAARRBB.......aw crap I think it's broken.
 
2012-12-24 10:25:01 AM  

Bontesla: computerguyUT: Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.

It's being overblown by the media.
Yesterday somehow 319,999,999 people managed to not shoot anybody.

So you're saying the number of people shot was an acceptable level? Good to know.


That's amazing how you took what I wrote and turned it into what I really mean for me jackhole.

You guys spout "take them all away" like that would solve anything since it's not law abiding gun owners that are going nutjob.
Where's your real solution? It's so much easier to just spout crap and rhetoric in funny redneck misspelled words and make funny DEHURRRR sounds. Just makes you feel so superior doesn't it.
This country is in the situation it is currently is because we are building a structure that panders to the lowest common denominator.
The problem is there are just too damn many ways for the .0001% to go apeshiat.

Where does it end? passing laws does not affect criminals. I don't know how else to phrase it so you guy can undertand it.
Every gun I own is locked in a safe. If the Gestapo were to come by and take them all, what would that have accomplished?
I have managed to go 45 years without losing one and without shooting someone.
Why is the viloent .0001% more important than me?
 
2012-12-24 10:25:08 AM  

Catymogo1: Not sure what shooting the *firefighters* will accomplish, especially if you live in the neighborhood where they're trying to PUT OUT THE FIRE.


Then you don't remember the riots in the late 1960's do you?
 
2012-12-24 10:25:36 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: Now all the bad people have to do is to keep shooting people and they'll take away all the good people's guns.   Ironic, and it works out for the bad people.

How much you wanna bet this was a legal gun? How do you explain that?

That it was a bad person.

So rather than making it more difficult for "bad people" to get a legal gun, you want to arm everyone so that more people are likely to die in these things?

Smart!


You are putting words in my mouth.  This discussion is pointless.  I'm just saying that the bad person is the fault of this new horror.
 
2012-12-24 10:26:00 AM  

ladyfortuna: Coastalgrl: ladyfortuna: Coastalgrl: Ok bro ok however the houses are still on fire and apparently lost of them are abandoned. So who know who was squatting in there. Houses were built in the 20s so are going up like kindle. Really close together.

If you look at the pictures in the article, I don't think they're the old ones, looks like newer construction in the background. That's right near the lake shore/bay so lots of more expensive houses. I'm going to have to get in touch with friends in the area later for more details :(

I think that it's the staging area. I'm sure the police aren't letting the press anywhere near the houses. The big ones are nearby and I think the one in the photo is on the lake side.

The D&C article I linked has more details, but this makes it pretty clear: Authorities are on the scene evacuating residents. Residents are being evacuated from the Webster side of the bay to the Irondequoit side. They are being searched by New York state police and other authorities before being taken to a Regional Transit Service bus.

This is freaking me out.


Oh terrific. Merry Farkin Christmas. Not only do they get evacuated and searched, their house could burn down as well.
 
2012-12-24 10:26:02 AM  
I have nothing of interest to add
 
2012-12-24 10:26:17 AM  

Infernalist: Mimic_Octopus: Infernalist: t actually happene

oh, well. ours then. you are familiar with how troops were raised from up and down the eastern seaboard and frontier for the revolution, no ?

You mean the one with the American military force, supplied by the French?

What else you got?


never mind man, you just trust that history has stopped and the human psyche has magically evolved into a benevolent altruistic force and human civilization will be governed by a synergistic holistic santa fairy committee
 
2012-12-24 10:26:28 AM  

FriarReb98: Slightly on/off topic:  Didn't we have a thread back in the summer involving a hit and run in Webster, New York where the drunk denied ever doing it or some crazy shiat?


Close, Penfield, NY, which borders Webster. Either way, both suburbs are full of upper-middle class white families who's children grew up coddled and restless. I will say Webster wins out with their much more pretentious town slogan of "Where Life is Worth Living" though.
 
2012-12-24 10:26:40 AM  
Derek Vinyard is gonna be pissed.

For real though, f the shooters in the ear with a baseball bat.
 
2012-12-24 10:26:57 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Shoot, this goes all the way back to the Whiskey Rebellion. That worked out so well, right?


To be fair, moonshine is freakin' awesome. I could understand rebelling for the right to drink tax free. It's a God given, basic right that all of FARK should defend with their lives.

Infernalist: Nah, see, this is pure damage control. They 'have' to maintain their stance of 'persecuted victims' because then they don't have to explain how this is acceptable for our society to simply have to deal with on a daily basis.

Our society is saturated with small, easily hidden, easily carried tools meant only to kill other people. And then we have the balls to act surprised with unbalanced people get a hold of some and kill people.


I'm surprised that more people don't have that shill ignored.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-24 10:27:05 AM  

IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: Now all the bad people have to do is to keep shooting people and they'll take away all the good people's guns.   Ironic, and it works out for the bad people.

How much you wanna bet this was a legal gun? How do you explain that?

That it was a bad person.

So rather than making it more difficult for "bad people" to get a legal gun, you want to arm everyone so that more people are likely to die in these things?

Smart!

You are putting words in my mouth.  This discussion is pointless.  I'm just saying that the bad person is the fault of this new horror.


Yes he is, and it likely wouldn't be a new horror if the bad person didn't have access to a gun.
 
2012-12-24 10:27:27 AM  
Webster Police also say that there is no active shooter.

Just what this country needs, couch potato shooters.
 
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