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2012-12-24 10:27:27 AM  
Webster Police also say that there is no active shooter.

Just what this country needs, couch potato shooters.
 
2012-12-24 10:27:55 AM  
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

What would a well regulated militia look like? 'Cause, with all these mass shootings it's apparent we need one.
 
2012-12-24 10:28:04 AM  
Guns don't kill people, bullets do.  Therefore all arguments about guns are invalid and should be stopped immediately since they are not bullets.  Further, every gun-related crime is proof that more guns are needed, since the only way to stop someone with a gun is with another gun, but that doesn't mean that guns are better than knives or bats and in no way disproves our own stance that all items are equally deadly. And if you don't believe that you're a frightened commie that wants to repeal the 2nd Amendment.

/NRA expanded "logic"
 
2012-12-24 10:28:09 AM  

filter: Thuull: This is disgusting.  Last thing I need to worry about is another piece of gear on the fire scene.  Let's see...we have:  Helmet, bunker pants, bunker coat, hood, 2x pair gloves, radio, flashlight, boots, mask, airpack, pliers, Z-hook, thermal camera, gas meter, axe, halligan, sidearm.  WTF.

Good luck taking out a sniper at a fire scene at night.


It's all about fire and maneuver.  Although you're probably right...bunker gear would not be very easy to bust a sniper in.
 
2012-12-24 10:28:13 AM  

jakepowers: I have nothing of interest to add


WILD PIGS, nubian!!¡!!!!!¡!
 
2012-12-24 10:28:56 AM  
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Pic of this thread.
 
2012-12-24 10:28:57 AM  
I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

It's outdated, it's a holdover from a time before we had a National Guard and it's used as a blanket shield by a handful of corporations to flood our society with weapons simply for the sake of profit without a thought given to the damage that it's doing to our people and society as a whole.

The Constitution is not written in stone and not only 'can' it be changed, but it 'should' be changed to reflect a changing nation. And I think it's past time for us to retire this Amendment. Guns do not make us safer. They make us less safe, less secure and they're a detriment to the common good of the American people.

Enough.
 
2012-12-24 10:28:58 AM  

Mimic_Octopus: Infernalist: t actually happene

oh, well. ours then. you are familiar with how troops were raised from up and down the eastern seaboard and frontier for the revolution, no ?


then they were trained in the European style of fighting. Until that happened, they lost every battle that they fought.

And if you read any accounts of the Revolution, you will see that the militia was looked down on by the real Army. The only thing that you could count on was that they would run away at the first chance.

99% of US gun owners would be piss poor soldiers. Overweight is no way to fight a war.
 
2012-12-24 10:29:09 AM  

BokerBill: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

What would a well regulated militia look like? 'Cause, with all these mass shootings it's apparent we need one.


Citizen, that is your job.
Git er dun.
 
2012-12-24 10:29:52 AM  
How is having armed guards at schools a deterrent? How many school shootings have there been where the gunmen lived a healthy life everafter? They go into this knowing what the outcome is. Having a guard there just means they're the first shot.
 
2012-12-24 10:29:59 AM  

BokerBill: What would a well regulated militia look like? 'Cause, with all these mass shootings it's apparent we need one.


blog.nj.com
Pictured: New Jersey National Guard on Parade, 4 Jul 2012.
 
2012-12-24 10:30:15 AM  

Coastalgrl: Ok bro ok however the houses are still on fire and apparently lost of them are abandoned. So who know who was squatting in there. Houses were built in the 20s so are going up like kindle. Really close together.


Most of that was English. Good job.
 
2012-12-24 10:30:25 AM  
We need more fire control.
 
2012-12-24 10:30:33 AM  

lordjupiter: Guns don't kill people, bullets do.  Therefore all arguments about guns are invalid and should be stopped immediately since they are not bullets.  Further, every gun-related crime is proof that more guns are needed, since the only way to stop someone with a gun is with another gun, but that doesn't mean that guns are better than knives or bats and in no way disproves our own stance that all items are equally deadly. And if you don't believe that you're a frightened commie that wants to repeal the 2nd Amendment.

/NRA expanded "logic"


bullets without guns might kill a person now and then, but it is unlikely unless you are in the middle of a crowd.
 
2012-12-24 10:30:50 AM  

Mimic_Octopus: Infernalist: Mimic_Octopus: Infernalist: t actually happene

oh, well. ours then. you are familiar with how troops were raised from up and down the eastern seaboard and frontier for the revolution, no ?

You mean the one with the American military force, supplied by the French?

What else you got?

never mind man, you just trust that history has stopped and the human psyche has magically evolved into a benevolent altruistic force and human civilization will be governed by a synergistic holistic santa fairy committee


So you got nothing. Awesome. Dictators: 0 Innocent victims to date: Too farking many.
 
2012-12-24 10:31:02 AM  
The NRA is not going to be happy until we are all living Mad Max
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
you always need to be armed to the teeth when you are walking your dingo
 
2012-12-24 10:31:12 AM  

Scerpes: Waxing_Chewbacca: david_gaithersburg: Oh the outrage, how dare they make a sensible statement such as having city schools be patrolled by city police officers. That would call fro removing the police from the doughnut shops.

This was at a fire. Idiot. Take your 2nd amendment and jam it up your ass

What other civil rights do you hate?


Is there another which you the tools to kill with speed, efficiency and devastation?
 
2012-12-24 10:31:25 AM  

Thuull: This is disgusting.  Last thing I need to worry about is another piece of gear on the fire scene.  Let's see...we have:  Helmet, bunker pants, bunker coat, hood, 2x pair gloves, radio, flashlight, boots, mask, airpack, pliers, Z-hook, thermal camera, gas meter, axe, halligan, sidearm.  WTF.


Sounds like someone didn't get the promotion to Fire Marshal they were wanting.

/Memphis took away their Fire Marshal's guns because one guy shot himself, and the other waved it in the face of a woman who was being nasty to him.
 
2012-12-24 10:31:37 AM  

Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.


.
As human beings we believe ourselves to have certain basic human rights that are inalienable, and have provided that those basic human rights shall never be infringed upon by the government. One of those rights is the basic right to protect one's self from anything, including an out of control government. Our second amendment also serves to guarantee that the government will think twice before attempting to infringe upon any of the other basic human rights enshrined in the first ten amendments to our constitution.

240 years ago we had a standing army, and the best trained army in the world too. Our government became tyrannical and out of control, we took up arms and formed local militias to stand up against the biggest and best trained army and navy on the planet. That newly formed US government began to erode during the FDR administration and it is still slowly dissolving today.
 
2012-12-24 10:31:45 AM  

farkmedown: Real Women Drink Akvavit: ongbok: Cataholic: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

And by "armed guards", you mean one police officer who was off campus eating lunch in his car.

By armed he means armed with a radio and a whistle like at most non gang riddled high schools.

I would like to see a citation that the Columbine school security were armed when that shooting happened.

Columbine had armed guard. Did he save lives? I'm sure he did. The point is that obviously he was not a deterrent. He wasn't off campus either, he was just on the other side of the building. They had no problem shooting at him, too.

Address the root of the problem, don't react to it with "moar gunz!".

/yes, I own guns
//so does my sis
///obviously not anti-gun

And see how effective Clinton's "assault weapon" ban was at Columbine?

Feinstein either doesn't get it or . . . is evil.

I'll go with evil.


There was a grandfather clause in that law. If you already owned one when the law went into effect, you could  legally keep it, just not legally sell it.  I know because I have a gun nut friend who bought a few before the law took effect, just so he could have them. I'm kind of a gun nut myself, owning multiple guns (among other weapons), but I'm not that fanatical about it.
 
2012-12-24 10:31:54 AM  

Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

It's outdated, it's a holdover from a time before we had a National Guard and it's used as a blanket shield by a handful of corporations to flood our society with weapons simply for the sake of profit without a thought given to the damage that it's doing to our people and society as a whole.

The Constitution is not written in stone and not only 'can' it be changed, but it 'should' be changed to reflect a changing nation. And I think it's past time for us to retire this Amendment. Guns do not make us safer. They make us less safe, less secure and they're a detriment to the common good of the American people.

Enough.


If yur gonna change it, legalize RPGs and machine guns so we can keep up with the neighbors.
THAT was the intent of the Constitution, to arm the citizens with people killing weapons.
Huntin' squirrel hardly seems to be worth all the Constitutionalizing.
 
2012-12-24 10:32:19 AM  
It would be easier to identify and weed out the dangerous nutters if society hadn't degenerated into a free-for-all of aberrant behaviour and all manner of perversions of body and soul.

It bears fullcapping: THE GUNS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THERE.

Something has changed. This thread is populated with oh-so-smug and clever lads who evidently skipped class the day they covered cause and effect.
 
2012-12-24 10:32:51 AM  

Waxing_Chewbacca: Scerpes: Waxing_Chewbacca: david_gaithersburg: Oh the outrage, how dare they make a sensible statement such as having city schools be patrolled by city police officers. That would call fro removing the police from the doughnut shops.

This was at a fire. Idiot. Take your 2nd amendment and jam it up your ass

What other civil rights do you hate?

Is there another which you the tools to kill with speed, efficiency and devastation?


I guess you've never been behind the wheel of a car.
 
2012-12-24 10:33:13 AM  

Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.


You're far from the first one to come out and admit that.
 
2012-12-24 10:33:20 AM  

david_gaithersburg: 240 years ago we had a standing army, and the best trained army in the world too. Our government became tyrannical and out of control, we took up arms and formed local militias to stand up against the biggest and best trained army and navy on the planet. That newly formed US government began to erode during the FDR administration and it is still slowly dissolving today.


240 years ago that would have been the British Colonial Army, Sir. And the majority of the military power AND law enforcement in the Colonies at the time was provided by militia conscripts and volunteers.
 
2012-12-24 10:33:38 AM  

snocone: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

It's outdated, it's a holdover from a time before we had a National Guard and it's used as a blanket shield by a handful of corporations to flood our society with weapons simply for the sake of profit without a thought given to the damage that it's doing to our people and society as a whole.

The Constitution is not written in stone and not only 'can' it be changed, but it 'should' be changed to reflect a changing nation. And I think it's past time for us to retire this Amendment. Guns do not make us safer. They make us less safe, less secure and they're a detriment to the common good of the American people.

Enough.

If yur gonna change it, legalize RPGs and machine guns so we can keep up with the neighbors.
THAT was the intent of the Constitution, to arm the citizens with people killing weapons.
Huntin' squirrel hardly seems to be worth all the Constitutionalizing.


Shoot, why stop there? Tactical nuclear weapons are just another step up the ladder.
 
2012-12-24 10:33:42 AM  

snocone: If yur gonna change it, legalize RPGs and machine guns so we can keep up with the neighbors.
THAT was the intent of the Constitution, to arm the citizens with people killing weapons.
Huntin' squirrel hardly seems to be worth all the Constitutionalizing.


Machine guns are legal, though regulated.
 
2012-12-24 10:33:58 AM  

Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

It's outdated, it's a holdover from a time before we had a National Guard and it's used as a blanket shield by a handful of corporations to flood our society with weapons simply for the sake of profit without a thought given to the damage that it's doing to our people and society as a whole.

The Constitution is not written in stone and not only 'can' it be changed, but it 'should' be changed to reflect a changing nation. And I think it's past time for us to retire this Amendment. Guns do not make us safer. They make us less safe, less secure and they're a detriment to the common good of the American people.

Enough.


^^^^^^^^
Hitler would have loved this guy!
 
2012-12-24 10:33:58 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: Now all the bad people have to do is to keep shooting people and they'll take away all the good people's guns.   Ironic, and it works out for the bad people.

How much you wanna bet this was a legal gun? How do you explain that?

That it was a bad person.

So rather than making it more difficult for "bad people" to get a legal gun, you want to arm everyone so that more people are likely to die in these things?

Smart!

You are putting words in my mouth.  This discussion is pointless.  I'm just saying that the bad person is the fault of this new horror.

Yes he is, and it likely wouldn't be a new horror if the bad person didn't have access to a gun.


And bad people will have guns no matter what restrictions are put on the good people.
 
2012-12-24 10:34:22 AM  
How's that "Well regulated" part of your sacred 2nd amendment working out for you?
 
2012-12-24 10:34:47 AM  

Scerpes: Waxing_Chewbacca: Scerpes: Waxing_Chewbacca: david_gaithersburg: Oh the outrage, how dare they make a sensible statement such as having city schools be patrolled by city police officers. That would call fro removing the police from the doughnut shops.

This was at a fire. Idiot. Take your 2nd amendment and jam it up your ass

What other civil rights do you hate?

Is there another which you the tools to kill with speed, efficiency and devastation?

I guess you've never been behind the wheel of a car.


Cars are not designed to kill people.
 
2012-12-24 10:34:48 AM  

czei: Easy Reader: If I was believing in conspiracies, I'd say shooting firefighters working a fire was the most perfectly timed next step toward villainizing guns and gun people.

I get it:  gun violence is caused by liberals working for Obama has part of a grand conspiracy to take away our guns?


Exactly! You don't have to be a physics to know that Ad Lanza was a sleeper agent trained by Hillary and activated by 0bama after the election to murder innocent children to create outrage and calls for gun control! There is no length this nig..., uh, president won't go to take our guns!
 
2012-12-24 10:34:49 AM  

sparty: Not sure if I've ever seen the fire department was dispatched to a location where the police didn't also respond...

WTF?


Welcome to New York.
Usually there is no problem, occasionally we deal with a drunk, every now and then they wanna fight about it.
Very rarely are guns involved.
On EMS calls we have to check in after 10 minutes on scene, or they call back the residence, and if no answer they send police. This policy change was made after two medics were shot and killed responding to what seemed to be a routine call.
Then there are the assholes who like to pull out in front of or outrun ambulances.
I try not to think that every time I walk out that door, I may not come home.
 
2012-12-24 10:35:08 AM  
Gun control 'debate' and 'issues' are a distraction people, come on. I thought better of you. The first thought upon hearing/reading 'gun control' right now you should think "fark the media" instead of stirring up your armchair passions about such n such talking point. If you haven't noticed, the media is hell-bent on keeping the population 'talking' about some thing or another, if it's not the election it's some recent tragedy or threat being pasted like porn into your eyes & ears. There are more fixable problems out there, put your energies towards those. It sickens me that the media favors gun-related child death over other child death, as if the other child deaths are just a fact of life and are not preventable.
 
2012-12-24 10:35:13 AM  

BronyMedic: david_gaithersburg: 240 years ago we had a standing army, and the best trained army in the world too. Our government became tyrannical and out of control, we took up arms and formed local militias to stand up against the biggest and best trained army and navy on the planet. That newly formed US government began to erode during the FDR administration and it is still slowly dissolving today.

240 years ago that would have been the British Colonial Army, Sir. And the majority of the military power AND law enforcement in the Colonies at the time was provided by militia conscripts and volunteers.


.
I do believe your beginning to understand. Congrats!
 
2012-12-24 10:35:17 AM  

Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

It's outdated, it's a holdover from a time before we had a National Guard and it's used as a blanket shield by a handful of corporations to flood our society with weapons simply for the sake of profit without a thought given to the damage that it's doing to our people and society as a whole.

The Constitution is not written in stone and not only 'can' it be changed, but it 'should' be changed to reflect a changing nation. And I think it's past time for us to retire this Amendment. Guns do not make us safer. They make us less safe, less secure and they're a detriment to the common good of the American people.

Enough.

If yur gonna change it, legalize RPGs and machine guns so we can keep up with the neighbors.
THAT was the intent of the Constitution, to arm the citizens with people killing weapons.
Huntin' squirrel hardly seems to be worth all the Constitutionalizing.

Shoot, why stop there? Tactical nuclear weapons are just another step up the ladder.


When the neighbors get 'em, yes.
Sorry to say, but, yes.
 
2012-12-24 10:35:17 AM  

letrole: It would be easier to identify and weed out the dangerous nutters if society hadn't degenerated into a free-for-all of aberrant behaviour and all manner of perversions of body and soul.

It bears fullcapping: THE GUNS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THERE.

Something has changed. This thread is populated with oh-so-smug and clever lads who evidently skipped class the day they covered cause and effect.


I agree. It's high time we turned from the wicked sinful choice of homosexuality, and back to Jesus H Christ, our lord and savior.

He was the holiest man to ever slap iron. He killed for your sins, Sir.

urbannerd.com

/which one of you assholes crapped the buffet?
 
2012-12-24 10:35:18 AM  

Infernalist: I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.


Fantastic. You go ahead and start on that Constitutional Amendment.
 
2012-12-24 10:35:24 AM  
and at every convenience store, and every home depot, and every house, and every room, until we are a nation of nothing but armed guards.
 
2012-12-24 10:35:25 AM  

david_gaithersburg: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

It's outdated, it's a holdover from a time before we had a National Guard and it's used as a blanket shield by a handful of corporations to flood our society with weapons simply for the sake of profit without a thought given to the damage that it's doing to our people and society as a whole.

The Constitution is not written in stone and not only 'can' it be changed, but it 'should' be changed to reflect a changing nation. And I think it's past time for us to retire this Amendment. Guns do not make us safer. They make us less safe, less secure and they're a detriment to the common good of the American people.

Enough.

^^^^^^^^
Hitler would have loved this guy!


Godwinned, ftw.

You got anything else?
 
2012-12-24 10:35:25 AM  

Scerpes: Waxing_Chewbacca: Scerpes: Waxing_Chewbacca: david_gaithersburg: Oh the outrage, how dare they make a sensible statement such as having city schools be patrolled by city police officers. That would call fro removing the police from the doughnut shops.

This was at a fire. Idiot. Take your 2nd amendment and jam it up your ass

What other civil rights do you hate?

Is there another which you the tools to kill with speed, efficiency and devastation?

I guess you've never been behind the wheel of a car.


We register cars and drivers and require licensing and theoretical testing and a practical test and full legal ID and insurance to drive one.
 
2012-12-24 10:35:56 AM  

Infernalist: I guess you've never been behind the wheel of a car.

Cars are not designed to kill people.


Hmmm...and yet they kill more than guns. I guess that's just a sad byproduct.
 
2012-12-24 10:36:08 AM  

Scerpes: Waxing_Chewbacca: Scerpes: Waxing_Chewbacca: david_gaithersburg: Oh the outrage, how dare they make a sensible statement such as having city schools be patrolled by city police officers. That would call fro removing the police from the doughnut shops.

This was at a fire. Idiot. Take your 2nd amendment and jam it up your ass

What other civil rights do you hate?

Is there another which you the tools to kill with speed, efficiency and devastation?

I guess you've never been behind the wheel of a car.


Not this shiat again.  The lies people tell themselves to justify their addictions...
 
2012-12-24 10:36:15 AM  

BronyMedic: Thuull: This is disgusting.  Last thing I need to worry about is another piece of gear on the fire scene.  Let's see...we have:  Helmet, bunker pants, bunker coat, hood, 2x pair gloves, radio, flashlight, boots, mask, airpack, pliers, Z-hook, thermal camera, gas meter, axe, halligan, sidearm.  WTF.

Sounds like someone didn't get the promotion to Fire Marshal they were wanting.

/Memphis took away their Fire Marshal's guns because one guy shot himself, and the other waved it in the face of a woman who was being nasty to him.


Yeah...not quite sure why you're taking a jab at me there.  What part of what I said made you think I want to have to worry about carrying a sidearm?  Besides, Fire Marshals where I live are not armed.
 
2012-12-24 10:36:34 AM  

Scerpes: Machine guns are legal, though regulated.


vicneverman.files.wordpress.com

Ask what the penalty for not paying the tax is
 
2012-12-24 10:36:35 AM  
Ya'll know there is a petition to deport the pantywaist Piers Morgan.
 
2012-12-24 10:36:45 AM  

KarmicDisaster: I guess you've never been behind the wheel of a car.

We register cars and drivers and require licensing and theoretical testing and a practical test and full legal ID and insurance to drive one.


And I'm not opposed to doing the same with firearms, so long as you're willing to concede national concealed carry so that I can take my Glock from state to state, much like you can take your car.
 
2012-12-24 10:36:52 AM  

WhippingBoy: Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.

There's a lot of colored boys and Messicans in the USA who are just waiting for the chance to break into the homes of real 'Murrucans in order to rape their white women, steal their bibles, and burn their American flags. To prevent this, it's necessary to own military grade weapons. It's just common sense.


I thought banning the dvil weed stopped all that?
 
2012-12-24 10:37:09 AM  
What's next? Are they gonna shoot paramedics when they respond to areas where people have been shot? This country does need gun control. Like you wouldn't believe.
 
2012-12-24 10:37:18 AM  

IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: Now all the bad people have to do is to keep shooting people and they'll take away all the good people's guns.   Ironic, and it works out for the bad people.

How much you wanna bet this was a legal gun? How do you explain that?

That it was a bad person.

So rather than making it more difficult for "bad people" to get a legal gun, you want to arm everyone so that more people are likely to die in these things?

Smart!

You are putting words in my mouth.  This discussion is pointless.  I'm just saying that the bad person is the fault of this new horror.

Yes he is, and it likely wouldn't be a new horror if the bad person didn't have access to a gun.

And bad people will have guns no matter what restrictions are put on the good people.


Then please explain why gun crimes in the UK went down something like 60 percent following the 1997 firearms act? Or why gun crimes in NYC now are so low that this month they went a day and a half with zero reported violent crime in the city, and that was the first time it had happened since the 1960s?
 
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