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2012-12-24 10:00:36 AM

WhippingBoy: Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.

There's a lot of colored boys and Messicans in the USA who are just waiting for the chance to break into the homes of real 'Murrucans in order to rape their white women, steal their bibles, and burn their American flags. To prevent this, it's necessary to own military grade weapons. It's just common sense.


we need the military grade weapons (which a semi-auto rifle is not) for when the US govt ends up like the british one we threw off a few years ago. do you think history stops because you are here right now ?
 
2012-12-24 10:02:04 AM

WhippingBoy: The surprising thing is that Americans still seem to be surprised by this. The rest of the world is wondering why this even rates as news any more.

You Americans need to get one of those "America: 2 days since last mass shooting" signs.


more like "America: 2 hours since last mass shooting"
 
2012-12-24 10:02:05 AM

ongbok: Cataholic: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

And by "armed guards", you mean one police officer who was off campus eating lunch in his car.

By armed he means armed with a radio and a whistle like at most non gang riddled high schools.

I would like to see a citation that the Columbine school security were armed when that shooting happened.


On April 20, 1999, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed 12 students and one teacher at Columbine. On the scene that day was Neil Gardner, an armed sheriff's deputy who had been policing the school for almost two years.
 
2012-12-24 10:02:23 AM

ongbok: Cataholic: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

And by "armed guards", you mean one police officer who was off campus eating lunch in his car.

By armed he means armed with a radio and a whistle like at most non gang riddled high schools.

I would like to see a citation that the Columbine school security were armed when that shooting happened.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/columbine-armed-guards_n_234 7 096.html

He shot at the attackers and missed. Oops.
 
2012-12-24 10:02:42 AM

Mimic_Octopus: WhippingBoy: Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.

There's a lot of colored boys and Messicans in the USA who are just waiting for the chance to break into the homes of real 'Murrucans in order to rape their white women, steal their bibles, and burn their American flags. To prevent this, it's necessary to own military grade weapons. It's just common sense.

we need the military grade weapons (which a semi-auto rifle is not) for when the US govt ends up like the british one we threw off a few years ago. do you think history stops because you are here right now ?


How many dictators have been overthrown by gun-owning citizenry?
 
2012-12-24 10:02:58 AM
Come on submitters - more stories about injuries due to guns please.... lets greenlight all of them!

/Gun control is BAAADD - things are great the way they are... freedom!
 
2012-12-24 10:03:35 AM

Mimic_Octopus: for when the US govt ends up like the british one we threw off a few years ago.


Hah! You'll sit fat and content in your easy chair while it happens. You won't even notice, unless they take something from you during a commercial break...
 
2012-12-24 10:03:43 AM

here to help: This is the country you wanted, gun drooling microdicked constitution manipulating derp farmers.

I hope the sane people stand up and shut this sh*t down once and for all. Enough is enough.


Don't hold your breath.

/ mouth breathers Palinites have way too much influence in this country
 
2012-12-24 10:03:44 AM

WhippingBoy: The surprising thing is that Americans still seem to be surprised by this. The rest of the world is wondering why this even rates as news any more.

You Americans need to get one of those "America: 2 days since last mass shooting" signs.


Many of us aren't surprised. Just really, really sad at how backwards and primitive some people are.
 
2012-12-24 10:03:48 AM
I'll allow that having armed police/guards at every school could potentially work as a deterrent, but in the event of an actual shooting, I can't imagine they would stand much chance of making a huge difference. Although maybe it wouldn't take 20 plus minutes to respond. The reality is that events such as this are still going to be relatively uncommon, and I could see it being difficult to maintain a high-alert state while patrolling a school after enough time has passed without an incident. Of course, the amount of security that would really be required to make schools "safe" would create a prison-like atmosphere that I am not sure is a great environment for learning and growing.
 
2012-12-24 10:04:07 AM

Counter_Intelligent: Easy Reader: If I was believing in conspiracies, I'd say shooting firefighters working a fire was the most perfectly timed next step toward villainizing guns and gun people.

But you don't. Unless you're crazy/f*cking stupid. You aren't either of those, are you?


Nope. I'm not. But it's interesting to imagine some PR consultant coming back with a script saying "first shoot a bunch of 6 year olds at Christmas, when there's a frenzy about guns, post of bunch of random shootings for a week. Then get ready to knock off a few firefighters. And then, we've got something really big planned for New Years!"

No, I don't believe this is going on, but it would make a pretty interesting show, ala "Thank You For Smoking".
 
2012-12-24 10:04:27 AM

themasterdebater: - things are great the way they are...


well there is an open mind for ya!
 
2012-12-24 10:04:30 AM

Mimic_Octopus: WhippingBoy: Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.

There's a lot of colored boys and Messicans in the USA who are just waiting for the chance to break into the homes of real 'Murrucans in order to rape their white women, steal their bibles, and burn their American flags. To prevent this, it's necessary to own military grade weapons. It's just common sense.

we need the military grade weapons (which a semi-auto rifle is not) for when the US govt ends up like the british one we threw off a few years ago. do you think history stops because you are here right now ?


You do realize that the USA has a military that is responsible for protecting us from invasion, right? Or are you afraid of the legally elected government that we replace on a regular basis?

Exactly what is the stupidity that you are so afraid of?
 
2012-12-24 10:04:35 AM

zobear: FarkinFarker: God damnit what's wrong with people?

We've taken God out of house fires.


You win all of the internets.
 
2012-12-24 10:05:20 AM

Orgasmatron138: ongbok: Cataholic: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

And by "armed guards", you mean one police officer who was off campus eating lunch in his car.

By armed he means armed with a radio and a whistle like at most non gang riddled high schools.

I would like to see a citation that the Columbine school security were armed when that shooting happened.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/columbine-armed-guards_n_234 7 096.html

He shot at the attackers and missed. Oops.


The problem is that you are expecting a guy that stands there day after day after day for years on end in the most boring job ever, to go from most boring job ever to full on expert marksman against pumped up crazies in a fraction of a second with no warning. Just does not happen.
 
2012-12-24 10:05:23 AM

Coastalgrl: Ok bro ok however the houses are still on fire and apparently lost of them are abandoned. So who know who was squatting in there. Houses were built in the 20s so are going up like kindle. Really close together.


If you look at the pictures in the article, I don't think they're the old ones, looks like newer construction in the background. That's right near the lake shore/bay so lots of more expensive houses. I'm going to have to get in touch with friends in the area later for more details :(
 
2012-12-24 10:05:38 AM

letrole: The problem with spree shootings isn't the innercity youths who are indeed armed to the teeth and willing to pull the trigger. The vast majority of firearm murders in the US comes from gangbangers and street thugs killing each other for practical reasons -- with specific targets. If the number of guns or the mere presense of guns were the problem, then you would expect to see pointless mass murders on the news each night.

The problem is rich white male misfits. Modern society is corrupt. The natural mechanisms that always kept erratic behaviour in check have been broken and perverted to favour the individual at the expense of the community.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses, and a new order reforms from the ashes


"Our Earth is degenerate in these later days; there are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end; bribery and corruption are common; children no longer obey their parents; every man wants to write a book and the end of the world is evidently approaching." ~ 4800 year-old Assryian tablet

Folks like you have been decrying the end of civilization as we know it for nearly 5,000 years.
 
2012-12-24 10:05:45 AM

ongbok: Cataholic: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

And by "armed guards", you mean one police officer who was off campus eating lunch in his car.

By armed he means armed with a radio and a whistle like at most non gang riddled high schools.

I would like to see a citation that the Columbine school security were armed when that shooting happened.


Columbine had armed guard. Did he save lives? I'm sure he did. The point is that obviously he was not a deterrent. He wasn't off campus either, he was just on the other side of the building. They had no problem shooting at him, too.

Address the root of the problem, don't react to it with "moar gunz!".

/yes, I own guns
//so does my sis
///obviously not anti-gun
 
2012-12-24 10:05:51 AM

SumJackass07: Catymogo1: Not sure what shooting the *firefighters* will accomplish, especially if you live in the neighborhood where they're trying to PUT OUT THE FIRE.

If you're the one that set it, you may not want to see it extinguished.


Sounds like a self-correcting problem to me.
 
2012-12-24 10:06:11 AM
shiat, I didn't even read the article. I know a Webster firefighter. Luckily he's out of town today.
 
2012-12-24 10:06:16 AM

KarmicDisaster: Orgasmatron138: ongbok: Cataholic: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

And by "armed guards", you mean one police officer who was off campus eating lunch in his car.

By armed he means armed with a radio and a whistle like at most non gang riddled high schools.

I would like to see a citation that the Columbine school security were armed when that shooting happened.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/columbine-armed-guards_n_234 7 096.html

He shot at the attackers and missed. Oops.

The problem is that you are expecting a guy that stands there day after day after day for years on end in the most boring job ever, to go from most boring job ever to full on expert marksman against pumped up crazies in a fraction of a second with no warning. Just does not happen.


Then I guess armed guards in school is a stupid idea, isn't it?
 
2012-12-24 10:07:05 AM

Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.


Ons hou van gewere en ons wil dinge om te skiet.
 
2012-12-24 10:07:41 AM

Infernalist: rth


umm, just about every single one that has ever been toppled ? you think they all stepped down after a debate ?

how many revolutions were successfully carried out without guns ?
 
2012-12-24 10:08:09 AM
D&C says two of the firefighters have died, three houses burning.
 
2012-12-24 10:08:14 AM

ladyfortuna: Coastalgrl: Ok bro ok however the houses are still on fire and apparently lost of them are abandoned. So who know who was squatting in there. Houses were built in the 20s so are going up like kindle. Really close together.

If you look at the pictures in the article, I don't think they're the old ones, looks like newer construction in the background. That's right near the lake shore/bay so lots of more expensive houses. I'm going to have to get in touch with friends in the area later for more details :(


I think that it's the staging area. I'm sure the police aren't letting the press anywhere near the houses. The big ones are nearby and I think the one in the photo is on the lake side.
 
2012-12-24 10:09:03 AM

Mentalpatient87: e


i have a bookshelf not a TV. There are some works of history in there even. nice try.
 
2012-12-24 10:09:06 AM

chuckufarlie: iheartscotch: chuckufarlie: iheartscotch: Counter_Intelligent: Easy Reader: If I was believing in conspiracies, I'd say shooting firefighters working a fire was the most perfectly timed next step toward villainizing guns and gun people.

But you don't. Unless you're crazy/f*cking stupid. You aren't either of those, are you?

It's a conspiracy!!!!

Let's examine the facts:

1. Could the government do it? Yes; the US has pulled off many, more complicated operations.

2. Would the government do it? Given the right circumstances, yes.

3. Did the government do it? We don't know.

/ just sayin'

lets look at another possibility, since you are all about conspiracies. Say that some radical right wing organization like the NRA sets up these attacks. Then in response to the attacks, the NRA proposes to train and pay guards to be placed at all the important places to "protect the public". Once the NRA has its own people in place, it makes it easy to take over the government, insuring that they always have their guns.

/ just sayin'

It seems to make a lot more sense for a bunch of right wing morons to kill people so they can take over than to think that a bunch of liberals would kill people to get the guns off the streets.

/ just sayin'

O_o

Mother of god!

Did you tell the mole men?

/ my point was, that it is not impossible, not that I believe that it is occurring

your point is on the top of you head. Your idea is unbelievable so I gave you a plausible alternative.


In all seriousness; I feel that either possibility are about as likely as an honest politician. A much more likely scenario is; people who are already on the edge of violence see something like sandy hook and they think to themselves, "wow, they are getting lots of attention; if I do it too, then I'll get lots of attention."

/ it's awing; gone wrong
 
2012-12-24 10:09:16 AM
We need a list of everywhere to put armed guards for our protection from the bad people.

School
School playgrounds
School sporting events
Church
Beach
Park
Camp
Mall
Strip Mall
Grocery store
Festival
Public Fair
Amusement park
(Fire?)

and we should be covered. Unless they go after the guards first, then we are boned.
 
2012-12-24 10:09:23 AM

Teufelaffe: letrole: The problem with spree shootings isn't the innercity youths who are indeed armed to the teeth and willing to pull the trigger. The vast majority of firearm murders in the US comes from gangbangers and street thugs killing each other for practical reasons -- with specific targets. If the number of guns or the mere presense of guns were the problem, then you would expect to see pointless mass murders on the news each night.

The problem is rich white male misfits. Modern society is corrupt. The natural mechanisms that always kept erratic behaviour in check have been broken and perverted to favour the individual at the expense of the community.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses, and a new order reforms from the ashes

"Our Earth is degenerate in these later days; there are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end; bribery and corruption are common; children no longer obey their parents; every man wants to write a book and the end of the world is evidently approaching." ~ 4800 year-old Assryian tablet

Folks like you have been decrying the end of civilization as we know it for nearly 5,000 years.


You don't see any Assyrians around these days, do you? At one point they were one of the most powerful empires in the Middle East, until their entire civilization collapsed practically overnight.
 
2012-12-24 10:09:27 AM

letrole: The problem with spree shootings isn't the innercity youths who are indeed armed to the teeth and willing to pull the trigger. The vast majority of firearm murders in the US comes from gangbangers and street thugs killing each other for practical reasons -- with specific targets. If the number of guns or the mere presense of guns were the problem, then you would expect to see pointless mass murders on the news each night.

The problem is rich white male misfits. Modern society is corrupt. The natural mechanisms that always kept erratic behaviour in check have been broken and perverted to favour the individual at the expense of the community.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses, and a new order reforms from the ashes


So buy a gun?
 
2012-12-24 10:09:51 AM

Infernalist: How many dictators have been overthrown by gun-owning citizenry?


Not many, they are usually overthrown by the military and form a military dictatorship.
 
2012-12-24 10:09:58 AM

cygnusx13: How about an armed guard for this thread?


You know what would be funny? LaPierre getting stabbed.
 
2012-12-24 10:10:03 AM

Infernalist: KarmicDisaster: Orgasmatron138: ongbok: Cataholic: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

And by "armed guards", you mean one police officer who was off campus eating lunch in his car.

By armed he means armed with a radio and a whistle like at most non gang riddled high schools.

I would like to see a citation that the Columbine school security were armed when that shooting happened.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/columbine-armed-guards_n_234 7 096.html

He shot at the attackers and missed. Oops.

The problem is that you are expecting a guy that stands there day after day after day for years on end in the most boring job ever, to go from most boring job ever to full on expert marksman against pumped up crazies in a fraction of a second with no warning. Just does not happen.

Then I guess armed guards in school is a stupid idea, isn't it?


I think that there is a deterrent factor and it is definitely needed in some schools for that. Should be an option when needed, as it is already. The evidence so far is that universal armed guards aren't going to help with this type of school shooting by maniacs.
 
2012-12-24 10:10:11 AM

Mimic_Octopus: Infernalist: rth

umm, just about every single one that has ever been toppled ? you think they all stepped down after a debate ?

how many revolutions were successfully carried out without guns ?


No no. I'm not asking you how many dictators got overthrown by their own military or by a foreign military.

I'm asking you how many dictators have been overthrown by popular citizen uprising with civilian weaponry.

Because, that's the silly premise here: That an armed citizenry will overthrow an American dictator with their civilian owned weaponry.

So. How often has that actually happened in history?
 
2012-12-24 10:10:15 AM

Wasilla Hillbilly: I'll allow that having armed police/guards at every school could potentially work as a deterrent, but in the event of an actual shooting, I can't imagine they would stand much chance of making a huge difference. Although maybe it wouldn't take 20 plus minutes to respond. The reality is that events such as this are still going to be relatively uncommon, and I could see it being difficult to maintain a high-alert state while patrolling a school after enough time has passed without an incident. Of course, the amount of security that would really be required to make schools "safe" would create a prison-like atmosphere that I am not sure is a great environment for learning and growing.


Anybody set on shooting up a school would be aware of any guard and that guard would be the first target. And you are correct that it would take a squad to protect a school. Then we would need fences, concertina wire and gun towers. Little prisons all over town.

Or we could get the automatic (full and semi) off the streets and into blast furnaces.
 
2012-12-24 10:11:05 AM

Coastalgrl: ladyfortuna: Coastalgrl: Ok bro ok however the houses are still on fire and apparently lost of them are abandoned. So who know who was squatting in there. Houses were built in the 20s so are going up like kindle. Really close together.

If you look at the pictures in the article, I don't think they're the old ones, looks like newer construction in the background. That's right near the lake shore/bay so lots of more expensive houses. I'm going to have to get in touch with friends in the area later for more details :(

I think that it's the staging area. I'm sure the police aren't letting the press anywhere near the houses. The big ones are nearby and I think the one in the photo is on the lake side.


The D&C article I linked has more details, but this makes it pretty clear: Authorities are on the scene evacuating residents. Residents are being evacuated from the Webster side of the bay to the Irondequoit side. They are being searched by New York state police and other authorities before being taken to a Regional Transit Service bus.

This is freaking me out.
 
2012-12-24 10:11:11 AM

Katolu: How come the NRA wasn't clamoring for all blacks to carry guns after Trayvon Martin was killed?


The all blacks don't need guns. They have the haka.
 
2012-12-24 10:11:19 AM

chuckufarlie: rn


you think we have ever replaced the government ? jeez man, you dont notice the tide keeps coming and never recedes, since about the 50's ? its nice of you to root for one of the "teams" they provide though. the eat is not foreign it is domestic. ask T Jefferson about it.
 
2012-12-24 10:11:30 AM

iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.


When I graduated in 02 our school did. They had an officer at school all day. One of the golden boys I played football with thought it would be funny to grab his gun. Instant expulsion. Funny enough, this year when trying to throw together our ten year reunion through Facebook, he was leading it. Someone asked if she could go even though she dropped out. He said he guessed but it would be odd since she didn't graduate with us.. I pointed out he didn't either, and it got some lulz.
 
2012-12-24 10:11:48 AM

Mouser: Teufelaffe: letrole: The problem with spree shootings isn't the innercity youths who are indeed armed to the teeth and willing to pull the trigger. The vast majority of firearm murders in the US comes from gangbangers and street thugs killing each other for practical reasons -- with specific targets. If the number of guns or the mere presense of guns were the problem, then you would expect to see pointless mass murders on the news each night.

The problem is rich white male misfits. Modern society is corrupt. The natural mechanisms that always kept erratic behaviour in check have been broken and perverted to favour the individual at the expense of the community.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses, and a new order reforms from the ashes

"Our Earth is degenerate in these later days; there are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end; bribery and corruption are common; children no longer obey their parents; every man wants to write a book and the end of the world is evidently approaching." ~ 4800 year-old Assryian tablet

Folks like you have been decrying the end of civilization as we know it for nearly 5,000 years.

You don't see any Assyrians around these days, do you? At one point they were one of the most powerful empires in the Middle East, until their entire civilization collapsed practically overnight.


funny note: The tablet was decrying the end of the world, not the end of their civilization.
 
2012-12-24 10:11:59 AM

ladyfortuna: Coastalgrl: ladyfortuna: Coastalgrl: Ok bro ok however the houses are still on fire and apparently lost of them are abandoned. So who know who was squatting in there. Houses were built in the 20s so are going up like kindle. Really close together.

If you look at the pictures in the article, I don't think they're the old ones, looks like newer construction in the background. That's right near the lake shore/bay so lots of more expensive houses. I'm going to have to get in touch with friends in the area later for more details :(

I think that it's the staging area. I'm sure the police aren't letting the press anywhere near the houses. The big ones are nearby and I think the one in the photo is on the lake side.

The D&C article I linked has more details, but this makes it pretty clear: Authorities are on the scene evacuating residents. Residents are being evacuated from the Webster side of the bay to the Irondequoit side. They are being searched by New York state police and other authorities before being taken to a Regional Transit Service bus.

This is freaking me out.


I read a tweet saying the gunman is not still at large. Apparently that's not correct?
 
2012-12-24 10:11:59 AM

cameroncrazy1984: shiat, I didn't even read the article. I know a Webster firefighter. Luckily he's out of town today.


Interestin demographics in that area
Like a melding pot

Of Oil anf water.
 
2012-12-24 10:12:06 AM

iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.


Because it is a massive waste of money.
 
2012-12-24 10:12:11 AM
2012 hasn't been the best year has it?
 
2012-12-24 10:12:19 AM
Teufelaffe "Our Earth is degenerate in these later days; there are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end; bribery and corruption are common; children no longer obey their parents; every man wants to write a book and the end of the world is evidently approaching." ~ 4800 year-old Assryian tablet

Folks like you have been decrying the end of civilization as we know it for nearly 5,000 years.



But the Assryians collapsed in a long civil war.
 
2012-12-24 10:13:01 AM

chuckufarlie: Mimic_Octopus: WhippingBoy: Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.

There's a lot of colored boys and Messicans in the USA who are just waiting for the chance to break into the homes of real 'Murrucans in order to rape their white women, steal their bibles, and burn their American flags. To prevent this, it's necessary to own military grade weapons. It's just common sense.

we need the military grade weapons (which a semi-auto rifle is not) for when the US govt ends up like the british one we threw off a few years ago. do you think history stops because you are here right now ?

You do realize that the USA has a military that is responsible for protecting us from invasion, right? Or are you afraid of the legally elected government that we replace on a regular basis?

Exactly what is the stupidity that you are so afraid of?


He was paraphrasing the second amendment of the constitution. They wanted the people to always feel they had the power to overthrow their government if it ever turned to tyrrany.

I do however think some of the gun nuts are way beyond the "empowered" stage, and are more at the "when are we doing this" stage.
 
2012-12-24 10:13:14 AM

Wasilla Hillbilly: I'll allow that having armed police/guards at every school could potentially work as a deterrent,


Hell, I won't even allow for that. Every person that's walked in and shot up a school had no intention of walking back out. They plan on dying. At best they won't be concerned about an armed guard at all (like Columbine) and just go about their business. At worst you'll have armed parties exchanging gunfire in a school full of children and at that point my money is on the crazies versus the hugely outgunned rent a cop that has no idea wtf is going on.
 
2012-12-24 10:13:24 AM

Infernalist: t actually happene


oh, well. ours then. you are familiar with how troops were raised from up and down the eastern seaboard and frontier for the revolution, no ?
 
2012-12-24 10:13:54 AM

letrole: Teufelaffe "Our Earth is degenerate in these later days; there are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end; bribery and corruption are common; children no longer obey their parents; every man wants to write a book and the end of the world is evidently approaching." ~ 4800 year-old Assryian tablet

Folks like you have been decrying the end of civilization as we know it for nearly 5,000 years.


But the Assryians collapsed in a long civil war.


But civilization did not, troll.
 
2012-12-24 10:13:55 AM
Now all the bad people have to do is to keep shooting people and they'll take away all the good people's guns.   Ironic, and it works out for the bad people.
 
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