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2012-12-24 09:43:35 AM
What if all of these recent shootings are a last ditch effort by Karl Rove attemting to make the GOP relevant again?
 
2012-12-24 09:44:20 AM

letrole: The problem with spree shootings isn't the innercity youths who are indeed armed to the teeth and willing to pull the trigger. The vast majority of firearm murders in the US comes from gangbangers and street thugs killing each other for practical reasons -- with specific targets. If the number of guns or the mere presense of guns were the problem, then you would expect to see pointless mass murders on the news each night.

The problem is rich white male misfits. Modern society is corrupt. The natural mechanisms that always kept erratic behaviour in check have been broken and perverted to favour the individual at the expense of the community.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses, and a new order reforms from the ashes


Sure do talk purty for a troll.
 
2012-12-24 09:44:39 AM
This is the country you wanted, gun drooling microdicked constitution manipulating derp farmers.

I hope the sane people stand up and shut this sh*t down once and for all. Enough is enough.
 
2012-12-24 09:44:57 AM

jake_lex: Wise_Guy: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

Does that mean it can't work because it didn't in that particular situation?

No, but it does show that if someone who is batshiat crazy and heavily armed wants to kill a shiatload of people, simply havng an armed guard probably won't help that much. They'll just shoot the guard and get to it.


I think cops at schools have the potential to serve as a deterrent in most cases. With Columbine, those kids shot up the school they went to-- I don't think they were shopping around for a place to kill people, like in other incidents.

That said, I still think cops in schools are a tremendous waste or resources. Even though school shootings get a ton of press, they are incredibly rare, and the 'cops in school' thing is just something to do to appease that masses.
 
2012-12-24 09:45:41 AM
Armed guards for some, miniature American flags for others!
 
2012-12-24 09:45:56 AM
If he didn't have a gun he would have strangled them or drowned the firemen in a pool.
 
2012-12-24 09:47:11 AM

WTF Indeed: Fapinator: [img689.imageshack.us image 729x600]

Too soon?

Just a bit. Go back to 4chan, you 12 year old chucklef*ck.


More like 45 going on 10.

What is this 4chan you speak of?
 
2012-12-24 09:47:16 AM
Godamnlimey Sure do talk purty for a troll.

My surname is Le Trôle.
 
2012-12-24 09:47:25 AM

jake_lex: Wise_Guy: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

Does that mean it can't work because it didn't in that particular situation?

No, but it does show that if someone who is batshiat crazy and heavily armed wants to kill a shiatload of people, simply havng an armed guard probably won't help that much. They'll just shoot the guard and get to it.


I don't t think it's that even. A shooter wouldn't even have to worry about the guard until they've already started shooting, and at that point the casualties would already be in the double digits even if the shooter only goes to one classroom, and usually after that happens the rest of the school locks down anyways, meaning that there is very little opportunity for any armed guard to actually prevent casualties better than a locked door.
 
2012-12-24 09:47:36 AM

FarkinFarker: God damnit what's wrong with people?


Asperger's.
 
2012-12-24 09:47:47 AM
Now I'm trying to find my brother who ice forgotten just passed his firefighter training.....

As for the area in question, this is a predominantly white upperclass neighborhood.
 
2012-12-24 09:47:49 AM

Counter_Intelligent: Easy Reader: If I was believing in conspiracies, I'd say shooting firefighters working a fire was the most perfectly timed next step toward villainizing guns and gun people.

But you don't. Unless you're crazy/f*cking stupid. You aren't either of those, are you?


It's a conspiracy!!!!

Let's examine the facts:

1. Could the government do it? Yes; the US has pulled off many, more complicated operations.

2. Would the government do it? Given the right circumstances, yes.

3. Did the government do it? We don't know.

/ just sayin'
 
2012-12-24 09:48:15 AM

Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.


And by "armed guards", you mean one police officer who was off campus eating lunch in his car.
 
2012-12-24 09:48:25 AM
I used to have Army Reserves drill very close to that area, this is really surprising because it's pretty much a calm suburban area. In fact I need to find out if I know any of them, since a bunch of Reservists are also volunteer firemen in the surrounding area :(
 
2012-12-24 09:48:27 AM

letrole: The problem with spree shootings isn't the innercity youths who are indeed armed to the teeth and willing to pull the trigger. The vast majority of firearm murders in the US comes from gangbangers and street thugs killing each other for practical reasons -- with specific targets. If the number of guns or the mere presense of guns were the problem, then you would expect to see pointless mass murders on the news each night.

The problem is rich white male misfits. Modern society is corrupt. The natural mechanisms that always kept erratic behaviour in check have been broken and perverted to favour the individual at the expense of the community.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses, and a new order reforms from the ashes


We do see pointless murders on the news every night so that part of your argument is busted.

Your numbered list is out of touch with reality, is completely wrong and entirely stupid.

The problem is guns. Why can you not see that? It does not take all that much intelligence and that is what you have - not much intelligence.
 
2012-12-24 09:48:52 AM

Fapinator: [img689.imageshack.us image 729x600]

Too soon?


Yeah, murdering kids is hilarious. You know what would be funnier? If they were a few years younger and there was fire. Nothing more amusing than a baby bonfire! Woot, yeah. Youtube that shiat.

/sarcasm

I would wish you cancer-karma but im sure you'd just masturbate at the response. I'll just pity your inhumanity instead.
 
2012-12-24 09:50:18 AM
Apparently the suspect is now down, via scanners. I hoped it was a nutter's ammo exploding without the nutter attached.
 
2012-12-24 09:50:34 AM

iheartscotch: Counter_Intelligent: Easy Reader: If I was believing in conspiracies, I'd say shooting firefighters working a fire was the most perfectly timed next step toward villainizing guns and gun people.

But you don't. Unless you're crazy/f*cking stupid. You aren't either of those, are you?

It's a conspiracy!!!!

Let's examine the facts:

1. Could the government do it? Yes; the US has pulled off many, more complicated operations.

2. Would the government do it? Given the right circumstances, yes.

3. Did the government do it? We don't know.

/ just sayin'


The government is obviously in collusion with the Illuminati.

Or aliens. Or both.
 
2012-12-24 09:50:37 AM

letrole: Godamnlimey Sure do talk purty for a troll.

My surname is Le Trôle.

And yet you still get bites .
Go figure.
 
2012-12-24 09:50:45 AM
hawaiitribune-herald.com

They better watch out for a random tiger attack while they're at it.

/hot like the fires
 
2012-12-24 09:50:52 AM
Police now reporting 4 firefighters shot, 2 firefighters are dead...
 
2012-12-24 09:51:17 AM
I went to high school in Webster. A bunch of my friends worked as volunteer firefighters, not sure if any of them still do, but hopefully no one I know was involved. For what it's worth, I pulled up Facebook just now and this is the Boobies I see from someone I graduated with: "Times like these i'm glad to have my Sig loaded with hollow points. Unbelievable!"

I don't get his point, if he even has one. If an arsonist tries to burn his house he'll shoot him? Is he going to hunt down the shooter? Is he just going for some tough guy posturing? I don't understand gun culture, I really don't.
 
2012-12-24 09:51:47 AM

Fapinator: WTF Indeed: Fapinator: [img689.imageshack.us image 729x600]

Too soon?

Just a bit. Go back to 4chan, you 12 year old chucklef*ck.

More like 45 going on 10.

What is this 4chan you speak of?


It's were terrible things are
 
2012-12-24 09:51:58 AM
chuckufarlie The problem is guns. Why can you not see that? It does not take all that much intelligence and that is what you have - not much intelligence.


The inner-city thugs and gansters and wide-boys are the most heavily armed group down to the last man.

They don't do this shiat. It's the sick fark maladjusted rich white boys who do this.
 
2012-12-24 09:52:17 AM

iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.


Some places it is a image thing, as in having armed security at the school isn't the image of their community that they want to portray. In other places it is a budget thing as some people don't feel they should have to pay the extra money for them.
 
2012-12-24 09:52:25 AM

here to help: This is the country you wanted, gun drooling microdicked constitution manipulating derp farmers.

I hope the sane people stand up and shut this sh*t down once and for all. Enough is enough.


I'd be willing to bet you think you are one of the 'sane people' ?
 
2012-12-24 09:52:41 AM

computerguyUT: Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.

It's being overblown by the media.
Yesterday somehow 319,999,999 people managed to not shoot anybody.


So you're saying the number of people shot was an acceptable level? Good to know.
 
2012-12-24 09:52:59 AM
 
2012-12-24 09:53:51 AM

Peter von Nostrand: Are the guns okay? That's the important thing. Let's keep some perspective here


LMAO

my heart goes out to all the guns this Christmas....

Happy Christmas Gunmerica...may you get all the second amendment corpses you deserve...
 
2012-12-24 09:54:01 AM

BattleFrenchie28: Fapinator: WTF Indeed: Fapinator: [img689.imageshack.us image 729x600]

Too soon?

Just a bit. Go back to 4chan, you 12 year old chucklef*ck.

More like 45 going on 10.

What is this 4chan you speak of?

It's where terrible things are


herpderp

/Scirocco took my soul with him
 
2012-12-24 09:54:03 AM
Schools are enough like prisons already without the police monitoring them.
 
2012-12-24 09:54:11 AM

iheartscotch: Counter_Intelligent: Easy Reader: If I was believing in conspiracies, I'd say shooting firefighters working a fire was the most perfectly timed next step toward villainizing guns and gun people.

But you don't. Unless you're crazy/f*cking stupid. You aren't either of those, are you?

It's a conspiracy!!!!

Let's examine the facts:

1. Could the government do it? Yes; the US has pulled off many, more complicated operations.

2. Would the government do it? Given the right circumstances, yes.

3. Did the government do it? We don't know.

/ just sayin'


lets look at another possibility, since you are all about conspiracies. Say that some radical right wing organization like the NRA sets up these attacks. Then in response to the attacks, the NRA proposes to train and pay guards to be placed at all the important places to "protect the public". Once the NRA has its own people in place, it makes it easy to take over the government, insuring that they always have their guns.

/ just sayin'

It seems to make a lot more sense for a bunch of right wing morons to kill people so they can take over than to think that a bunch of liberals would kill people to get the guns off the streets.

/ just sayin'
 
2012-12-24 09:54:26 AM

Queensowntalia: iheartscotch: Counter_Intelligent: Easy Reader: If I was believing in conspiracies, I'd say shooting firefighters working a fire was the most perfectly timed next step toward villainizing guns and gun people.

But you don't. Unless you're crazy/f*cking stupid. You aren't either of those, are you?

It's a conspiracy!!!!

Let's examine the facts:

1. Could the government do it? Yes; the US has pulled off many, more complicated operations.

2. Would the government do it? Given the right circumstances, yes.

3. Did the government do it? We don't know.

/ just sayin'

The government is obviously in collusion with the Illuminati.

Or aliens. Or both.


Also, I'm pretty sure Obama is a Lizard person. He's never released his long form cat scan certificate. Whar long form cat scan certificate?

/ my point was; it isn't impossible; not that I believe that it is actually happening
 
2012-12-24 09:54:31 AM

tolallorti: jake_lex: Wise_Guy: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

Does that mean it can't work because it didn't in that particular situation?

No, but it does show that if someone who is batshiat crazy and heavily armed wants to kill a shiatload of people, simply havng an armed guard probably won't help that much. They'll just shoot the guard and get to it.

I don't t think it's that even. A shooter wouldn't even have to worry about the guard until they've already started shooting, and at that point the casualties would already be in the double digits even if the shooter only goes to one classroom, and usually after that happens the rest of the school locks down anyways, meaning that there is very little opportunity for any armed guard to actually prevent casualties better than a locked door.


I think in the case of a random shooter who wants to pile up a large body count, he might choose somewhere other than a place he knows has cop stationed in it. Why take the chance?
 
2012-12-24 09:54:45 AM

Community Agitator: I'd be willing to bet you think you are one of the 'sane people' ?


I'm sane enough not to defend policies that enable lunatics to fulfill their sick, murderous fantasies.

Also... letrole posted that exact same list in one of the other threads.
 
2012-12-24 09:54:53 AM

letrole: The problem with spree shootings isn't the innercity youths who are indeed armed to the teeth and willing to pull the trigger. The vast majority of firearm murders in the US comes from gangbangers and street thugs killing each other for practical reasons -- with specific targets. If the number of guns or the mere presense of guns were the problem, then you would expect to see pointless mass murders on the news each night.

The problem is rich white male misfits. Modern society is corrupt. The natural mechanisms that always kept erratic behaviour in check have been broken and perverted to favour the individual at the expense of the community.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses, and a new order reforms from the ashes


Dude, really? Trolling this thread? Bad form.
 
2012-12-24 09:55:02 AM

dpa228: I went to high school in Webster. A bunch of my friends worked as volunteer firefighters, not sure if any of them still do, but hopefully no one I know was involved. For what it's worth, I pulled up Facebook just now and this is the Boobies I see from someone I graduated with: "Times like these i'm glad to have my Sig loaded with hollow points. Unbelievable!"

I don't get his point, if he even has one. If an arsonist tries to burn his house he'll shoot him? Is he going to hunt down the shooter? Is he just going for some tough guy posturing? I don't understand gun culture, I really don't.


It's the idea that by virtue of having a gun you're safer from random violence. The bigger and badder your gun is the less anyone will want to fark with you. It's essentially a security blanket that can kill all the bad people, thugs and monster
 
2012-12-24 09:55:25 AM

muzzrphochr: da fuq is wrong with people!?

/almost seems as though some entity is just trying to get your gun rights taken away.


entity?

i think it's called common sense.

but to answer your question, guns are what is wrong with people.
 
2012-12-24 09:55:35 AM

Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-24 09:55:38 AM

letrole: Godamnlimey Sure do talk purty for a troll.

My surname is Le Trôle.


No it isn't, nobody believes you, you can stop trying now.
 
2012-12-24 09:57:00 AM
Regardless of where you stand on the issue, Wayne delivered a poorly timed, poorly worded, nonsensical argument.

Muta: If he didn't have a gun he would have strangled them or drowned the firemen in a pool.


After reading about the Chinese stabbing incident, I was really surprised to find out that none of the victims died. Also, what balls on those kids, holding the guy off with broomsticks until help arrived.

In the country with lax gun laws, 20 kids died. In the country with strict gun laws, 20 kids were wounded.

If only outlaws have guns when guns are outlawed, where the fark were that nutcases' guns?
 
2012-12-24 09:57:00 AM

Cataholic: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

And by "armed guards", you mean one police officer who was off campus eating lunch in his car.


By armed he means armed with a radio and a whistle like at most non gang riddled high schools.

I would like to see a citation that the Columbine school security were armed when that shooting happened.
 
2012-12-24 09:57:01 AM
Ok bro ok however the houses are still on fire and apparently lost of them are abandoned. So who know who was squatting in there. Houses were built in the 20s so are going up like kindle. Really close together.
 
2012-12-24 09:57:19 AM

chuckufarlie: iheartscotch: Counter_Intelligent: Easy Reader: If I was believing in conspiracies, I'd say shooting firefighters working a fire was the most perfectly timed next step toward villainizing guns and gun people.

But you don't. Unless you're crazy/f*cking stupid. You aren't either of those, are you?

It's a conspiracy!!!!

Let's examine the facts:

1. Could the government do it? Yes; the US has pulled off many, more complicated operations.

2. Would the government do it? Given the right circumstances, yes.

3. Did the government do it? We don't know.

/ just sayin'

lets look at another possibility, since you are all about conspiracies. Say that some radical right wing organization like the NRA sets up these attacks. Then in response to the attacks, the NRA proposes to train and pay guards to be placed at all the important places to "protect the public". Once the NRA has its own people in place, it makes it easy to take over the government, insuring that they always have their guns.

/ just sayin'

It seems to make a lot more sense for a bunch of right wing morons to kill people so they can take over than to think that a bunch of liberals would kill people to get the guns off the streets.

/ just sayin'


O_o

Mother of god!

Did you tell the mole men?

/ my point was, that it is not impossible, not that I believe that it is occurring
 
2012-12-24 09:57:51 AM

FarkinFarker: God damnit what's wrong with people?


We've taken God out of house fires.
 
2012-12-24 09:59:16 AM

Coastalgrl: Ok bro ok however the houses are still on fire and apparently lost of them are abandoned. So who know who was squatting in there. Houses were built in the 20s so are going up like kindle. Really close together.


Dude, they are seasonal houses, lake on one side, bay on the other, with more yard than most of us can afford.
 
2012-12-24 09:59:47 AM
F

Katolu: How come the NRA wasn't clamoring for all blacks to carry guns after Trayvon Martin was killed?


Geez man, he already had a bag of Skittles. A gun would have just been overkill
 
2012-12-24 10:00:10 AM
The surprising thing is that Americans still seem to be surprised by this. The rest of the world is wondering why this even rates as news any more.

You Americans need to get one of those "America: 2 days since last mass shooting" signs.
 
2012-12-24 10:00:12 AM
Just another day in 'Merica. God bless the USA.
 
2012-12-24 10:00:24 AM

iheartscotch: chuckufarlie: iheartscotch: Counter_Intelligent: Easy Reader: If I was believing in conspiracies, I'd say shooting firefighters working a fire was the most perfectly timed next step toward villainizing guns and gun people.

But you don't. Unless you're crazy/f*cking stupid. You aren't either of those, are you?

It's a conspiracy!!!!

Let's examine the facts:

1. Could the government do it? Yes; the US has pulled off many, more complicated operations.

2. Would the government do it? Given the right circumstances, yes.

3. Did the government do it? We don't know.

/ just sayin'

lets look at another possibility, since you are all about conspiracies. Say that some radical right wing organization like the NRA sets up these attacks. Then in response to the attacks, the NRA proposes to train and pay guards to be placed at all the important places to "protect the public". Once the NRA has its own people in place, it makes it easy to take over the government, insuring that they always have their guns.

/ just sayin'

It seems to make a lot more sense for a bunch of right wing morons to kill people so they can take over than to think that a bunch of liberals would kill people to get the guns off the streets.

/ just sayin'

O_o

Mother of god!

Did you tell the mole men?

/ my point was, that it is not impossible, not that I believe that it is occurring


your point is on the top of you head. Your idea is unbelievable so I gave you a plausible alternative.
 
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