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2012-12-24 09:25:38 AM
How about an armed guard for this thread?
 
2012-12-24 09:25:59 AM
Not sure what shooting the *firefighters* will accomplish, especially if you live in the neighborhood where they're trying to PUT OUT THE FIRE.
 
2012-12-24 09:26:16 AM
God damnit what's wrong with people?
 
2012-12-24 09:26:23 AM
I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.
 
2012-12-24 09:26:35 AM
Yay for morons.
 
2012-12-24 09:27:00 AM

Catymogo1: Not sure what shooting the *firefighters* will accomplish, especially if you live in the neighborhood where they're trying to PUT OUT THE FIRE.


If you're the one that set it, you may not want to see it extinguished.
 
2012-12-24 09:27:09 AM
Honestly, he doesn't need to say one single thing. He should stop talking.

The fear of inability to buy weapons in the future has many gun stores cleaned out.

NRA should sit back and relax. Let the Obama administration keep on keepin' on.
 
2012-12-24 09:27:10 AM
I'll take coo coo for cocoa puffs for 1500 Alex.
 
2012-12-24 09:27:42 AM
img689.imageshack.us

Too soon?
 
2012-12-24 09:28:10 AM
I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.
 
2012-12-24 09:29:03 AM
Is the Dalmatian okay? *prepares to speed-dial PETA*
 
2012-12-24 09:29:09 AM

iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.


Or just have a discrete substation/cop cafe/doughnut shop on school grounds just like our old Walmart used to do.
 
2012-12-24 09:29:22 AM
And another one cracks.
 
2012-12-24 09:29:27 AM

iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.


Columbine High School had armed guards.
 
2012-12-24 09:29:35 AM
The wounded firefighter was taken to Strong Memorial Hospital by Mercy Flight. Strong Hospital confirms two firefighters are being treated there.

Wanted for questioning:
www.brightsideofnews.com
 
2012-12-24 09:30:56 AM
Are the guns okay? That's the important thing. Let's keep some perspective here
 
2012-12-24 09:31:47 AM
Meth lab?
 
2012-12-24 09:32:02 AM
Did s/he set the fire to attract firefighters to shoot or is s/he shooting the firefighters because they are trying to put out the fire?
 
2012-12-24 09:32:27 AM
 
2012-12-24 09:32:43 AM
If I was believing in conspiracies, I'd say shooting firefighters working a fire was the most perfectly timed next step toward villainizing guns and gun people.
 
2012-12-24 09:33:06 AM

Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.


Does that mean it can't work because it didn't in that particular situation?
 
2012-12-24 09:33:44 AM

Fapinator: [img689.imageshack.us image 729x600]

Too soon?


Just a bit. Go back to 4chan, you 12 year old chucklef*ck.
 
2012-12-24 09:33:45 AM

Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.


It's being overblown by the media.
Yesterday somehow 319,999,999 people managed to not shoot anybody.
 
2012-12-24 09:34:14 AM
Not sure if I've ever seen the fire department was dispatched to a location where the police didn't also respond...

WTF?
 
2012-12-24 09:34:21 AM
assets.diylol.com
 
2012-12-24 09:34:36 AM

FarkinFarker: God damnit what's wrong with people?


Some people just want to watch the world burn.
 
2012-12-24 09:34:59 AM
Those damn video games!!!!
 
2012-12-24 09:35:24 AM
da fuq is wrong with people!?

/almost seems as though some entity is just trying to get your gun rights taken away.
 
2012-12-24 09:35:30 AM
any possibility that live rounds could have asploded due to the fire?

/devils advocate
//think of the bullets - they only have one chance to get it right.
 
2012-12-24 09:35:55 AM

Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.


.....

You know who else had guards who were less that effective at ensuring that the people they were guarding did not die?
 
2012-12-24 09:36:10 AM
Three Firefighters Shot at Scene of Webster Fire

Webster fire?
 
2012-12-24 09:36:57 AM
ARSONISTS ARE ON 0BAMA'S PAYROLL. THIS IS WHY THEY GET ALL THE GIRLS.
 
2012-12-24 09:37:04 AM

Easy Reader: If I was believing in conspiracies, I'd say shooting firefighters working a fire was the most perfectly timed next step toward villainizing guns and gun people.


But you don't. Unless you're crazy/f*cking stupid. You aren't either of those, are you?
 
2012-12-24 09:37:31 AM
Holy crap. I grew up a few miles from there on the same street. Street is filled with retirees and recluses. I guess a lot has changed in 12 years with the McMansions going up on that road for the lake view.

Violence of this nature in this town is unheard of.
 
2012-12-24 09:38:16 AM
This is disgusting.  Last thing I need to worry about is another piece of gear on the fire scene.  Let's see...we have:  Helmet, bunker pants, bunker coat, hood, 2x pair gloves, radio, flashlight, boots, mask, airpack, pliers, Z-hook, thermal camera, gas meter, axe, halligan, sidearm.  WTF.
 
2012-12-24 09:38:26 AM

Easy Reader: If I was believing in conspiracies, I'd say shooting firefighters working a fire was the most perfectly timed next step toward villainizing guns and gun people.


I get it:  gun violence is caused by liberals working for Obama has part of a grand conspiracy to take away our guns?
 
2012-12-24 09:39:01 AM
He built a fire on main street, and shot it full of holes.
 
2012-12-24 09:39:03 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: ARSONISTS ARE ON 0BAMA'S PAYROLL. THIS IS WHY THEY GET ALL THE GIRLS.


www.gnorb.net
Shorty fires do not work that way!
 
2012-12-24 09:39:16 AM

Wise_Guy: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

Does that mean it can't work because it didn't in that particular situation?


No, but it does show that if someone who is batshiat crazy and heavily armed wants to kill a shiatload of people, simply havng an armed guard probably won't help that much. They'll just shoot the guard and get to it.
 
2012-12-24 09:39:27 AM
Isn't this how American History X started?
 
2012-12-24 09:40:07 AM

Catymogo1: Not sure what shooting the *firefighters* will accomplish, especially if you live in the neighborhood where they're trying to PUT OUT THE FIRE.


Could be the guy that started the fire.
Arsonists are crazy too.
 
2012-12-24 09:40:09 AM
How come the NRA wasn't clamoring for all blacks to carry guns after Trayvon Martin was killed?
 
2012-12-24 09:40:26 AM
The problem with spree shootings isn't the innercity youths who are indeed armed to the teeth and willing to pull the trigger. The vast majority of firearm murders in the US comes from gangbangers and street thugs killing each other for practical reasons -- with specific targets. If the number of guns or the mere presense of guns were the problem, then you would expect to see pointless mass murders on the news each night.

The problem is rich white male misfits. Modern society is corrupt. The natural mechanisms that always kept erratic behaviour in check have been broken and perverted to favour the individual at the expense of the community.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses, and a new order reforms from the ashes
 
2012-12-24 09:40:51 AM

SumJackass07: Catymogo1: Not sure what shooting the *firefighters* will accomplish, especially if you live in the neighborhood where they're trying to PUT OUT THE FIRE.

If you're the one that set it, you may not want to see it extinguished.


That's true, too. Didn't think of it like that. Clearly the only option is to arm the firefighters.
 
2012-12-24 09:41:11 AM

Wise_Guy: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

Does that mean it can't work because it didn't in that particular situation?


You know the rules; if it doesn't work in one situation; then it can't possibly work in any future situation, ever!

/ I didn't remember columbine had armed guards; I'm betting they were busy not getting shot.
 
2012-12-24 09:41:34 AM

czei: Easy Reader: If I was believing in conspiracies, I'd say shooting firefighters working a fire was the most perfectly timed next step toward villainizing guns and gun people.

I get it:  gun violence is caused by liberals working for Obama has part of a grand conspiracy to take away our guns?


Oh, no...our government would never crate the problem and have the solution waiting in the wings...
Never...ever.

The government is your freind and really cares about you.
 
2012-12-24 09:41:37 AM

Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.


There's  a part in our constitution that guarantees our right to bear arms and maintain a militia and it seems a lot of people seem to think there should be no restrictions on any guns at all because of it - no training classes required, no test, buy semi-autos and automatic weapons if you want them - things like that. Which is stupid when you have such a cultural problem in your country with people mishandling guns or outright going on a killing  spree.

We also  apparently have more crazy people. When I lived in Norway for a brief time, where many are also avid hunters, there were no such problems. They recently had that one incident where a crazy rampage shooter, Anders Breivik,  killed over 80 people, but  other than  that, it's usually pretty calm over there, except for stabbings, but you are going to have a hard time taking out multiple targets with a knife very effectively. So I'm going to go with "Americans are crazy, though I am still  proud to be one, I am just sad about all of this". Especially since I am a gun owner myself. So is my sister, and we live in the same house.

/all guns are safely locked away when not in use, except one
 
2012-12-24 09:42:08 AM

Easy Reader: If I was believing in conspiracies, I'd say shooting firefighters working a fire was the most perfectly timed next step toward villainizing guns and gun people.


or pushing an agenda to have radical right wing gun nutz stationed all of the cities of America, just waiting to take over.
 
2012-12-24 09:42:09 AM
You are going to need armed guards at every gathering of any sort. And since the NRA thinks that in an ideal world it is everyone's right to carry everywhere, you won't be able to exclude people with guns from any gathering. You will have to wait until they start shooting.  Then you will also need guard for the guards if they turn out to be as reliable as TSA.
 
2012-12-24 09:42:30 AM

Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.


There's a lot of colored boys and Messicans in the USA who are just waiting for the chance to break into the homes of real 'Murrucans in order to rape their white women, steal their bibles, and burn their American flags. To prevent this, it's necessary to own military grade weapons. It's just common sense.
 
2012-12-24 09:43:35 AM
What if all of these recent shootings are a last ditch effort by Karl Rove attemting to make the GOP relevant again?
 
2012-12-24 09:44:20 AM

letrole: The problem with spree shootings isn't the innercity youths who are indeed armed to the teeth and willing to pull the trigger. The vast majority of firearm murders in the US comes from gangbangers and street thugs killing each other for practical reasons -- with specific targets. If the number of guns or the mere presense of guns were the problem, then you would expect to see pointless mass murders on the news each night.

The problem is rich white male misfits. Modern society is corrupt. The natural mechanisms that always kept erratic behaviour in check have been broken and perverted to favour the individual at the expense of the community.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses, and a new order reforms from the ashes


Sure do talk purty for a troll.
 
2012-12-24 09:44:39 AM
This is the country you wanted, gun drooling microdicked constitution manipulating derp farmers.

I hope the sane people stand up and shut this sh*t down once and for all. Enough is enough.
 
2012-12-24 09:44:57 AM

jake_lex: Wise_Guy: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

Does that mean it can't work because it didn't in that particular situation?

No, but it does show that if someone who is batshiat crazy and heavily armed wants to kill a shiatload of people, simply havng an armed guard probably won't help that much. They'll just shoot the guard and get to it.


I think cops at schools have the potential to serve as a deterrent in most cases. With Columbine, those kids shot up the school they went to-- I don't think they were shopping around for a place to kill people, like in other incidents.

That said, I still think cops in schools are a tremendous waste or resources. Even though school shootings get a ton of press, they are incredibly rare, and the 'cops in school' thing is just something to do to appease that masses.
 
2012-12-24 09:45:41 AM
Armed guards for some, miniature American flags for others!
 
2012-12-24 09:45:56 AM
If he didn't have a gun he would have strangled them or drowned the firemen in a pool.
 
2012-12-24 09:47:11 AM

WTF Indeed: Fapinator: [img689.imageshack.us image 729x600]

Too soon?

Just a bit. Go back to 4chan, you 12 year old chucklef*ck.


More like 45 going on 10.

What is this 4chan you speak of?
 
2012-12-24 09:47:16 AM
Godamnlimey Sure do talk purty for a troll.

My surname is Le Trôle.
 
2012-12-24 09:47:25 AM

jake_lex: Wise_Guy: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

Does that mean it can't work because it didn't in that particular situation?

No, but it does show that if someone who is batshiat crazy and heavily armed wants to kill a shiatload of people, simply havng an armed guard probably won't help that much. They'll just shoot the guard and get to it.


I don't t think it's that even. A shooter wouldn't even have to worry about the guard until they've already started shooting, and at that point the casualties would already be in the double digits even if the shooter only goes to one classroom, and usually after that happens the rest of the school locks down anyways, meaning that there is very little opportunity for any armed guard to actually prevent casualties better than a locked door.
 
2012-12-24 09:47:36 AM

FarkinFarker: God damnit what's wrong with people?


Asperger's.
 
2012-12-24 09:47:47 AM
Now I'm trying to find my brother who ice forgotten just passed his firefighter training.....

As for the area in question, this is a predominantly white upperclass neighborhood.
 
2012-12-24 09:47:49 AM

Counter_Intelligent: Easy Reader: If I was believing in conspiracies, I'd say shooting firefighters working a fire was the most perfectly timed next step toward villainizing guns and gun people.

But you don't. Unless you're crazy/f*cking stupid. You aren't either of those, are you?


It's a conspiracy!!!!

Let's examine the facts:

1. Could the government do it? Yes; the US has pulled off many, more complicated operations.

2. Would the government do it? Given the right circumstances, yes.

3. Did the government do it? We don't know.

/ just sayin'
 
2012-12-24 09:48:15 AM

Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.


And by "armed guards", you mean one police officer who was off campus eating lunch in his car.
 
2012-12-24 09:48:25 AM
I used to have Army Reserves drill very close to that area, this is really surprising because it's pretty much a calm suburban area. In fact I need to find out if I know any of them, since a bunch of Reservists are also volunteer firemen in the surrounding area :(
 
2012-12-24 09:48:27 AM

letrole: The problem with spree shootings isn't the innercity youths who are indeed armed to the teeth and willing to pull the trigger. The vast majority of firearm murders in the US comes from gangbangers and street thugs killing each other for practical reasons -- with specific targets. If the number of guns or the mere presense of guns were the problem, then you would expect to see pointless mass murders on the news each night.

The problem is rich white male misfits. Modern society is corrupt. The natural mechanisms that always kept erratic behaviour in check have been broken and perverted to favour the individual at the expense of the community.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses, and a new order reforms from the ashes


We do see pointless murders on the news every night so that part of your argument is busted.

Your numbered list is out of touch with reality, is completely wrong and entirely stupid.

The problem is guns. Why can you not see that? It does not take all that much intelligence and that is what you have - not much intelligence.
 
2012-12-24 09:48:52 AM

Fapinator: [img689.imageshack.us image 729x600]

Too soon?


Yeah, murdering kids is hilarious. You know what would be funnier? If they were a few years younger and there was fire. Nothing more amusing than a baby bonfire! Woot, yeah. Youtube that shiat.

/sarcasm

I would wish you cancer-karma but im sure you'd just masturbate at the response. I'll just pity your inhumanity instead.
 
2012-12-24 09:50:18 AM
Apparently the suspect is now down, via scanners. I hoped it was a nutter's ammo exploding without the nutter attached.
 
2012-12-24 09:50:34 AM

iheartscotch: Counter_Intelligent: Easy Reader: If I was believing in conspiracies, I'd say shooting firefighters working a fire was the most perfectly timed next step toward villainizing guns and gun people.

But you don't. Unless you're crazy/f*cking stupid. You aren't either of those, are you?

It's a conspiracy!!!!

Let's examine the facts:

1. Could the government do it? Yes; the US has pulled off many, more complicated operations.

2. Would the government do it? Given the right circumstances, yes.

3. Did the government do it? We don't know.

/ just sayin'


The government is obviously in collusion with the Illuminati.

Or aliens. Or both.
 
2012-12-24 09:50:37 AM

letrole: Godamnlimey Sure do talk purty for a troll.

My surname is Le Trôle.

And yet you still get bites .
Go figure.
 
2012-12-24 09:50:45 AM
hawaiitribune-herald.com

They better watch out for a random tiger attack while they're at it.

/hot like the fires
 
2012-12-24 09:50:52 AM
Police now reporting 4 firefighters shot, 2 firefighters are dead...
 
2012-12-24 09:51:17 AM
I went to high school in Webster. A bunch of my friends worked as volunteer firefighters, not sure if any of them still do, but hopefully no one I know was involved. For what it's worth, I pulled up Facebook just now and this is the Boobies I see from someone I graduated with: "Times like these i'm glad to have my Sig loaded with hollow points. Unbelievable!"

I don't get his point, if he even has one. If an arsonist tries to burn his house he'll shoot him? Is he going to hunt down the shooter? Is he just going for some tough guy posturing? I don't understand gun culture, I really don't.
 
2012-12-24 09:51:47 AM

Fapinator: WTF Indeed: Fapinator: [img689.imageshack.us image 729x600]

Too soon?

Just a bit. Go back to 4chan, you 12 year old chucklef*ck.

More like 45 going on 10.

What is this 4chan you speak of?


It's were terrible things are
 
2012-12-24 09:51:58 AM
chuckufarlie The problem is guns. Why can you not see that? It does not take all that much intelligence and that is what you have - not much intelligence.


The inner-city thugs and gansters and wide-boys are the most heavily armed group down to the last man.

They don't do this shiat. It's the sick fark maladjusted rich white boys who do this.
 
2012-12-24 09:52:17 AM

iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.


Some places it is a image thing, as in having armed security at the school isn't the image of their community that they want to portray. In other places it is a budget thing as some people don't feel they should have to pay the extra money for them.
 
2012-12-24 09:52:25 AM

here to help: This is the country you wanted, gun drooling microdicked constitution manipulating derp farmers.

I hope the sane people stand up and shut this sh*t down once and for all. Enough is enough.


I'd be willing to bet you think you are one of the 'sane people' ?
 
2012-12-24 09:52:41 AM

computerguyUT: Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.

It's being overblown by the media.
Yesterday somehow 319,999,999 people managed to not shoot anybody.


So you're saying the number of people shot was an acceptable level? Good to know.
 
2012-12-24 09:52:59 AM
 
2012-12-24 09:53:51 AM

Peter von Nostrand: Are the guns okay? That's the important thing. Let's keep some perspective here


LMAO

my heart goes out to all the guns this Christmas....

Happy Christmas Gunmerica...may you get all the second amendment corpses you deserve...
 
2012-12-24 09:54:01 AM

BattleFrenchie28: Fapinator: WTF Indeed: Fapinator: [img689.imageshack.us image 729x600]

Too soon?

Just a bit. Go back to 4chan, you 12 year old chucklef*ck.

More like 45 going on 10.

What is this 4chan you speak of?

It's where terrible things are


herpderp

/Scirocco took my soul with him
 
2012-12-24 09:54:03 AM
Schools are enough like prisons already without the police monitoring them.
 
2012-12-24 09:54:11 AM

iheartscotch: Counter_Intelligent: Easy Reader: If I was believing in conspiracies, I'd say shooting firefighters working a fire was the most perfectly timed next step toward villainizing guns and gun people.

But you don't. Unless you're crazy/f*cking stupid. You aren't either of those, are you?

It's a conspiracy!!!!

Let's examine the facts:

1. Could the government do it? Yes; the US has pulled off many, more complicated operations.

2. Would the government do it? Given the right circumstances, yes.

3. Did the government do it? We don't know.

/ just sayin'


lets look at another possibility, since you are all about conspiracies. Say that some radical right wing organization like the NRA sets up these attacks. Then in response to the attacks, the NRA proposes to train and pay guards to be placed at all the important places to "protect the public". Once the NRA has its own people in place, it makes it easy to take over the government, insuring that they always have their guns.

/ just sayin'

It seems to make a lot more sense for a bunch of right wing morons to kill people so they can take over than to think that a bunch of liberals would kill people to get the guns off the streets.

/ just sayin'
 
2012-12-24 09:54:26 AM

Queensowntalia: iheartscotch: Counter_Intelligent: Easy Reader: If I was believing in conspiracies, I'd say shooting firefighters working a fire was the most perfectly timed next step toward villainizing guns and gun people.

But you don't. Unless you're crazy/f*cking stupid. You aren't either of those, are you?

It's a conspiracy!!!!

Let's examine the facts:

1. Could the government do it? Yes; the US has pulled off many, more complicated operations.

2. Would the government do it? Given the right circumstances, yes.

3. Did the government do it? We don't know.

/ just sayin'

The government is obviously in collusion with the Illuminati.

Or aliens. Or both.


Also, I'm pretty sure Obama is a Lizard person. He's never released his long form cat scan certificate. Whar long form cat scan certificate?

/ my point was; it isn't impossible; not that I believe that it is actually happening
 
2012-12-24 09:54:31 AM

tolallorti: jake_lex: Wise_Guy: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

Does that mean it can't work because it didn't in that particular situation?

No, but it does show that if someone who is batshiat crazy and heavily armed wants to kill a shiatload of people, simply havng an armed guard probably won't help that much. They'll just shoot the guard and get to it.

I don't t think it's that even. A shooter wouldn't even have to worry about the guard until they've already started shooting, and at that point the casualties would already be in the double digits even if the shooter only goes to one classroom, and usually after that happens the rest of the school locks down anyways, meaning that there is very little opportunity for any armed guard to actually prevent casualties better than a locked door.


I think in the case of a random shooter who wants to pile up a large body count, he might choose somewhere other than a place he knows has cop stationed in it. Why take the chance?
 
2012-12-24 09:54:45 AM

Community Agitator: I'd be willing to bet you think you are one of the 'sane people' ?


I'm sane enough not to defend policies that enable lunatics to fulfill their sick, murderous fantasies.

Also... letrole posted that exact same list in one of the other threads.
 
2012-12-24 09:54:53 AM

letrole: The problem with spree shootings isn't the innercity youths who are indeed armed to the teeth and willing to pull the trigger. The vast majority of firearm murders in the US comes from gangbangers and street thugs killing each other for practical reasons -- with specific targets. If the number of guns or the mere presense of guns were the problem, then you would expect to see pointless mass murders on the news each night.

The problem is rich white male misfits. Modern society is corrupt. The natural mechanisms that always kept erratic behaviour in check have been broken and perverted to favour the individual at the expense of the community.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses, and a new order reforms from the ashes


Dude, really? Trolling this thread? Bad form.
 
2012-12-24 09:55:02 AM

dpa228: I went to high school in Webster. A bunch of my friends worked as volunteer firefighters, not sure if any of them still do, but hopefully no one I know was involved. For what it's worth, I pulled up Facebook just now and this is the Boobies I see from someone I graduated with: "Times like these i'm glad to have my Sig loaded with hollow points. Unbelievable!"

I don't get his point, if he even has one. If an arsonist tries to burn his house he'll shoot him? Is he going to hunt down the shooter? Is he just going for some tough guy posturing? I don't understand gun culture, I really don't.


It's the idea that by virtue of having a gun you're safer from random violence. The bigger and badder your gun is the less anyone will want to fark with you. It's essentially a security blanket that can kill all the bad people, thugs and monster
 
2012-12-24 09:55:25 AM

muzzrphochr: da fuq is wrong with people!?

/almost seems as though some entity is just trying to get your gun rights taken away.


entity?

i think it's called common sense.

but to answer your question, guns are what is wrong with people.
 
2012-12-24 09:55:35 AM

Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-24 09:55:38 AM

letrole: Godamnlimey Sure do talk purty for a troll.

My surname is Le Trôle.


No it isn't, nobody believes you, you can stop trying now.
 
2012-12-24 09:57:00 AM
Regardless of where you stand on the issue, Wayne delivered a poorly timed, poorly worded, nonsensical argument.

Muta: If he didn't have a gun he would have strangled them or drowned the firemen in a pool.


After reading about the Chinese stabbing incident, I was really surprised to find out that none of the victims died. Also, what balls on those kids, holding the guy off with broomsticks until help arrived.

In the country with lax gun laws, 20 kids died. In the country with strict gun laws, 20 kids were wounded.

If only outlaws have guns when guns are outlawed, where the fark were that nutcases' guns?
 
2012-12-24 09:57:00 AM

Cataholic: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

And by "armed guards", you mean one police officer who was off campus eating lunch in his car.


By armed he means armed with a radio and a whistle like at most non gang riddled high schools.

I would like to see a citation that the Columbine school security were armed when that shooting happened.
 
2012-12-24 09:57:01 AM
Ok bro ok however the houses are still on fire and apparently lost of them are abandoned. So who know who was squatting in there. Houses were built in the 20s so are going up like kindle. Really close together.
 
2012-12-24 09:57:19 AM

chuckufarlie: iheartscotch: Counter_Intelligent: Easy Reader: If I was believing in conspiracies, I'd say shooting firefighters working a fire was the most perfectly timed next step toward villainizing guns and gun people.

But you don't. Unless you're crazy/f*cking stupid. You aren't either of those, are you?

It's a conspiracy!!!!

Let's examine the facts:

1. Could the government do it? Yes; the US has pulled off many, more complicated operations.

2. Would the government do it? Given the right circumstances, yes.

3. Did the government do it? We don't know.

/ just sayin'

lets look at another possibility, since you are all about conspiracies. Say that some radical right wing organization like the NRA sets up these attacks. Then in response to the attacks, the NRA proposes to train and pay guards to be placed at all the important places to "protect the public". Once the NRA has its own people in place, it makes it easy to take over the government, insuring that they always have their guns.

/ just sayin'

It seems to make a lot more sense for a bunch of right wing morons to kill people so they can take over than to think that a bunch of liberals would kill people to get the guns off the streets.

/ just sayin'


O_o

Mother of god!

Did you tell the mole men?

/ my point was, that it is not impossible, not that I believe that it is occurring
 
2012-12-24 09:57:51 AM

FarkinFarker: God damnit what's wrong with people?


We've taken God out of house fires.
 
2012-12-24 09:59:16 AM

Coastalgrl: Ok bro ok however the houses are still on fire and apparently lost of them are abandoned. So who know who was squatting in there. Houses were built in the 20s so are going up like kindle. Really close together.


Dude, they are seasonal houses, lake on one side, bay on the other, with more yard than most of us can afford.
 
2012-12-24 09:59:47 AM
F

Katolu: How come the NRA wasn't clamoring for all blacks to carry guns after Trayvon Martin was killed?


Geez man, he already had a bag of Skittles. A gun would have just been overkill
 
2012-12-24 10:00:10 AM
The surprising thing is that Americans still seem to be surprised by this. The rest of the world is wondering why this even rates as news any more.

You Americans need to get one of those "America: 2 days since last mass shooting" signs.
 
2012-12-24 10:00:12 AM
Just another day in 'Merica. God bless the USA.
 
2012-12-24 10:00:24 AM

iheartscotch: chuckufarlie: iheartscotch: Counter_Intelligent: Easy Reader: If I was believing in conspiracies, I'd say shooting firefighters working a fire was the most perfectly timed next step toward villainizing guns and gun people.

But you don't. Unless you're crazy/f*cking stupid. You aren't either of those, are you?

It's a conspiracy!!!!

Let's examine the facts:

1. Could the government do it? Yes; the US has pulled off many, more complicated operations.

2. Would the government do it? Given the right circumstances, yes.

3. Did the government do it? We don't know.

/ just sayin'

lets look at another possibility, since you are all about conspiracies. Say that some radical right wing organization like the NRA sets up these attacks. Then in response to the attacks, the NRA proposes to train and pay guards to be placed at all the important places to "protect the public". Once the NRA has its own people in place, it makes it easy to take over the government, insuring that they always have their guns.

/ just sayin'

It seems to make a lot more sense for a bunch of right wing morons to kill people so they can take over than to think that a bunch of liberals would kill people to get the guns off the streets.

/ just sayin'

O_o

Mother of god!

Did you tell the mole men?

/ my point was, that it is not impossible, not that I believe that it is occurring


your point is on the top of you head. Your idea is unbelievable so I gave you a plausible alternative.
 
2012-12-24 10:00:36 AM

WhippingBoy: Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.

There's a lot of colored boys and Messicans in the USA who are just waiting for the chance to break into the homes of real 'Murrucans in order to rape their white women, steal their bibles, and burn their American flags. To prevent this, it's necessary to own military grade weapons. It's just common sense.


we need the military grade weapons (which a semi-auto rifle is not) for when the US govt ends up like the british one we threw off a few years ago. do you think history stops because you are here right now ?
 
2012-12-24 10:02:04 AM

WhippingBoy: The surprising thing is that Americans still seem to be surprised by this. The rest of the world is wondering why this even rates as news any more.

You Americans need to get one of those "America: 2 days since last mass shooting" signs.


more like "America: 2 hours since last mass shooting"
 
2012-12-24 10:02:05 AM

ongbok: Cataholic: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

And by "armed guards", you mean one police officer who was off campus eating lunch in his car.

By armed he means armed with a radio and a whistle like at most non gang riddled high schools.

I would like to see a citation that the Columbine school security were armed when that shooting happened.


On April 20, 1999, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed 12 students and one teacher at Columbine. On the scene that day was Neil Gardner, an armed sheriff's deputy who had been policing the school for almost two years.
 
2012-12-24 10:02:23 AM

ongbok: Cataholic: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

And by "armed guards", you mean one police officer who was off campus eating lunch in his car.

By armed he means armed with a radio and a whistle like at most non gang riddled high schools.

I would like to see a citation that the Columbine school security were armed when that shooting happened.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/columbine-armed-guards_n_234 7 096.html

He shot at the attackers and missed. Oops.
 
2012-12-24 10:02:42 AM

Mimic_Octopus: WhippingBoy: Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.

There's a lot of colored boys and Messicans in the USA who are just waiting for the chance to break into the homes of real 'Murrucans in order to rape their white women, steal their bibles, and burn their American flags. To prevent this, it's necessary to own military grade weapons. It's just common sense.

we need the military grade weapons (which a semi-auto rifle is not) for when the US govt ends up like the british one we threw off a few years ago. do you think history stops because you are here right now ?


How many dictators have been overthrown by gun-owning citizenry?
 
2012-12-24 10:02:58 AM
Come on submitters - more stories about injuries due to guns please.... lets greenlight all of them!

/Gun control is BAAADD - things are great the way they are... freedom!
 
2012-12-24 10:03:35 AM

Mimic_Octopus: for when the US govt ends up like the british one we threw off a few years ago.


Hah! You'll sit fat and content in your easy chair while it happens. You won't even notice, unless they take something from you during a commercial break...
 
2012-12-24 10:03:43 AM

here to help: This is the country you wanted, gun drooling microdicked constitution manipulating derp farmers.

I hope the sane people stand up and shut this sh*t down once and for all. Enough is enough.


Don't hold your breath.

/ mouth breathers Palinites have way too much influence in this country
 
2012-12-24 10:03:44 AM

WhippingBoy: The surprising thing is that Americans still seem to be surprised by this. The rest of the world is wondering why this even rates as news any more.

You Americans need to get one of those "America: 2 days since last mass shooting" signs.


Many of us aren't surprised. Just really, really sad at how backwards and primitive some people are.
 
2012-12-24 10:03:48 AM
I'll allow that having armed police/guards at every school could potentially work as a deterrent, but in the event of an actual shooting, I can't imagine they would stand much chance of making a huge difference. Although maybe it wouldn't take 20 plus minutes to respond. The reality is that events such as this are still going to be relatively uncommon, and I could see it being difficult to maintain a high-alert state while patrolling a school after enough time has passed without an incident. Of course, the amount of security that would really be required to make schools "safe" would create a prison-like atmosphere that I am not sure is a great environment for learning and growing.
 
2012-12-24 10:04:07 AM

Counter_Intelligent: Easy Reader: If I was believing in conspiracies, I'd say shooting firefighters working a fire was the most perfectly timed next step toward villainizing guns and gun people.

But you don't. Unless you're crazy/f*cking stupid. You aren't either of those, are you?


Nope. I'm not. But it's interesting to imagine some PR consultant coming back with a script saying "first shoot a bunch of 6 year olds at Christmas, when there's a frenzy about guns, post of bunch of random shootings for a week. Then get ready to knock off a few firefighters. And then, we've got something really big planned for New Years!"

No, I don't believe this is going on, but it would make a pretty interesting show, ala "Thank You For Smoking".
 
2012-12-24 10:04:27 AM

themasterdebater: - things are great the way they are...


well there is an open mind for ya!
 
2012-12-24 10:04:30 AM

Mimic_Octopus: WhippingBoy: Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.

There's a lot of colored boys and Messicans in the USA who are just waiting for the chance to break into the homes of real 'Murrucans in order to rape their white women, steal their bibles, and burn their American flags. To prevent this, it's necessary to own military grade weapons. It's just common sense.

we need the military grade weapons (which a semi-auto rifle is not) for when the US govt ends up like the british one we threw off a few years ago. do you think history stops because you are here right now ?


You do realize that the USA has a military that is responsible for protecting us from invasion, right? Or are you afraid of the legally elected government that we replace on a regular basis?

Exactly what is the stupidity that you are so afraid of?
 
2012-12-24 10:04:35 AM

zobear: FarkinFarker: God damnit what's wrong with people?

We've taken God out of house fires.


You win all of the internets.
 
2012-12-24 10:05:20 AM

Orgasmatron138: ongbok: Cataholic: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

And by "armed guards", you mean one police officer who was off campus eating lunch in his car.

By armed he means armed with a radio and a whistle like at most non gang riddled high schools.

I would like to see a citation that the Columbine school security were armed when that shooting happened.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/columbine-armed-guards_n_234 7 096.html

He shot at the attackers and missed. Oops.


The problem is that you are expecting a guy that stands there day after day after day for years on end in the most boring job ever, to go from most boring job ever to full on expert marksman against pumped up crazies in a fraction of a second with no warning. Just does not happen.
 
2012-12-24 10:05:23 AM

Coastalgrl: Ok bro ok however the houses are still on fire and apparently lost of them are abandoned. So who know who was squatting in there. Houses were built in the 20s so are going up like kindle. Really close together.


If you look at the pictures in the article, I don't think they're the old ones, looks like newer construction in the background. That's right near the lake shore/bay so lots of more expensive houses. I'm going to have to get in touch with friends in the area later for more details :(
 
2012-12-24 10:05:38 AM

letrole: The problem with spree shootings isn't the innercity youths who are indeed armed to the teeth and willing to pull the trigger. The vast majority of firearm murders in the US comes from gangbangers and street thugs killing each other for practical reasons -- with specific targets. If the number of guns or the mere presense of guns were the problem, then you would expect to see pointless mass murders on the news each night.

The problem is rich white male misfits. Modern society is corrupt. The natural mechanisms that always kept erratic behaviour in check have been broken and perverted to favour the individual at the expense of the community.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses, and a new order reforms from the ashes


"Our Earth is degenerate in these later days; there are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end; bribery and corruption are common; children no longer obey their parents; every man wants to write a book and the end of the world is evidently approaching." ~ 4800 year-old Assryian tablet

Folks like you have been decrying the end of civilization as we know it for nearly 5,000 years.
 
2012-12-24 10:05:45 AM

ongbok: Cataholic: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

And by "armed guards", you mean one police officer who was off campus eating lunch in his car.

By armed he means armed with a radio and a whistle like at most non gang riddled high schools.

I would like to see a citation that the Columbine school security were armed when that shooting happened.


Columbine had armed guard. Did he save lives? I'm sure he did. The point is that obviously he was not a deterrent. He wasn't off campus either, he was just on the other side of the building. They had no problem shooting at him, too.

Address the root of the problem, don't react to it with "moar gunz!".

/yes, I own guns
//so does my sis
///obviously not anti-gun
 
2012-12-24 10:05:51 AM

SumJackass07: Catymogo1: Not sure what shooting the *firefighters* will accomplish, especially if you live in the neighborhood where they're trying to PUT OUT THE FIRE.

If you're the one that set it, you may not want to see it extinguished.


Sounds like a self-correcting problem to me.
 
2012-12-24 10:06:11 AM
shiat, I didn't even read the article. I know a Webster firefighter. Luckily he's out of town today.
 
2012-12-24 10:06:16 AM

KarmicDisaster: Orgasmatron138: ongbok: Cataholic: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

And by "armed guards", you mean one police officer who was off campus eating lunch in his car.

By armed he means armed with a radio and a whistle like at most non gang riddled high schools.

I would like to see a citation that the Columbine school security were armed when that shooting happened.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/columbine-armed-guards_n_234 7 096.html

He shot at the attackers and missed. Oops.

The problem is that you are expecting a guy that stands there day after day after day for years on end in the most boring job ever, to go from most boring job ever to full on expert marksman against pumped up crazies in a fraction of a second with no warning. Just does not happen.


Then I guess armed guards in school is a stupid idea, isn't it?
 
2012-12-24 10:07:05 AM

Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.


Ons hou van gewere en ons wil dinge om te skiet.
 
2012-12-24 10:07:41 AM

Infernalist: rth


umm, just about every single one that has ever been toppled ? you think they all stepped down after a debate ?

how many revolutions were successfully carried out without guns ?
 
2012-12-24 10:08:09 AM
D&C says two of the firefighters have died, three houses burning.
 
2012-12-24 10:08:14 AM

ladyfortuna: Coastalgrl: Ok bro ok however the houses are still on fire and apparently lost of them are abandoned. So who know who was squatting in there. Houses were built in the 20s so are going up like kindle. Really close together.

If you look at the pictures in the article, I don't think they're the old ones, looks like newer construction in the background. That's right near the lake shore/bay so lots of more expensive houses. I'm going to have to get in touch with friends in the area later for more details :(


I think that it's the staging area. I'm sure the police aren't letting the press anywhere near the houses. The big ones are nearby and I think the one in the photo is on the lake side.
 
2012-12-24 10:09:03 AM

Mentalpatient87: e


i have a bookshelf not a TV. There are some works of history in there even. nice try.
 
2012-12-24 10:09:06 AM

chuckufarlie: iheartscotch: chuckufarlie: iheartscotch: Counter_Intelligent: Easy Reader: If I was believing in conspiracies, I'd say shooting firefighters working a fire was the most perfectly timed next step toward villainizing guns and gun people.

But you don't. Unless you're crazy/f*cking stupid. You aren't either of those, are you?

It's a conspiracy!!!!

Let's examine the facts:

1. Could the government do it? Yes; the US has pulled off many, more complicated operations.

2. Would the government do it? Given the right circumstances, yes.

3. Did the government do it? We don't know.

/ just sayin'

lets look at another possibility, since you are all about conspiracies. Say that some radical right wing organization like the NRA sets up these attacks. Then in response to the attacks, the NRA proposes to train and pay guards to be placed at all the important places to "protect the public". Once the NRA has its own people in place, it makes it easy to take over the government, insuring that they always have their guns.

/ just sayin'

It seems to make a lot more sense for a bunch of right wing morons to kill people so they can take over than to think that a bunch of liberals would kill people to get the guns off the streets.

/ just sayin'

O_o

Mother of god!

Did you tell the mole men?

/ my point was, that it is not impossible, not that I believe that it is occurring

your point is on the top of you head. Your idea is unbelievable so I gave you a plausible alternative.


In all seriousness; I feel that either possibility are about as likely as an honest politician. A much more likely scenario is; people who are already on the edge of violence see something like sandy hook and they think to themselves, "wow, they are getting lots of attention; if I do it too, then I'll get lots of attention."

/ it's awing; gone wrong
 
2012-12-24 10:09:16 AM
We need a list of everywhere to put armed guards for our protection from the bad people.

School
School playgrounds
School sporting events
Church
Beach
Park
Camp
Mall
Strip Mall
Grocery store
Festival
Public Fair
Amusement park
(Fire?)

and we should be covered. Unless they go after the guards first, then we are boned.
 
2012-12-24 10:09:23 AM

Teufelaffe: letrole: The problem with spree shootings isn't the innercity youths who are indeed armed to the teeth and willing to pull the trigger. The vast majority of firearm murders in the US comes from gangbangers and street thugs killing each other for practical reasons -- with specific targets. If the number of guns or the mere presense of guns were the problem, then you would expect to see pointless mass murders on the news each night.

The problem is rich white male misfits. Modern society is corrupt. The natural mechanisms that always kept erratic behaviour in check have been broken and perverted to favour the individual at the expense of the community.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses, and a new order reforms from the ashes

"Our Earth is degenerate in these later days; there are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end; bribery and corruption are common; children no longer obey their parents; every man wants to write a book and the end of the world is evidently approaching." ~ 4800 year-old Assryian tablet

Folks like you have been decrying the end of civilization as we know it for nearly 5,000 years.


You don't see any Assyrians around these days, do you? At one point they were one of the most powerful empires in the Middle East, until their entire civilization collapsed practically overnight.
 
2012-12-24 10:09:27 AM

letrole: The problem with spree shootings isn't the innercity youths who are indeed armed to the teeth and willing to pull the trigger. The vast majority of firearm murders in the US comes from gangbangers and street thugs killing each other for practical reasons -- with specific targets. If the number of guns or the mere presense of guns were the problem, then you would expect to see pointless mass murders on the news each night.

The problem is rich white male misfits. Modern society is corrupt. The natural mechanisms that always kept erratic behaviour in check have been broken and perverted to favour the individual at the expense of the community.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses, and a new order reforms from the ashes


So buy a gun?
 
2012-12-24 10:09:51 AM

Infernalist: How many dictators have been overthrown by gun-owning citizenry?


Not many, they are usually overthrown by the military and form a military dictatorship.
 
2012-12-24 10:09:58 AM

cygnusx13: How about an armed guard for this thread?


You know what would be funny? LaPierre getting stabbed.
 
2012-12-24 10:10:03 AM

Infernalist: KarmicDisaster: Orgasmatron138: ongbok: Cataholic: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

And by "armed guards", you mean one police officer who was off campus eating lunch in his car.

By armed he means armed with a radio and a whistle like at most non gang riddled high schools.

I would like to see a citation that the Columbine school security were armed when that shooting happened.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/columbine-armed-guards_n_234 7 096.html

He shot at the attackers and missed. Oops.

The problem is that you are expecting a guy that stands there day after day after day for years on end in the most boring job ever, to go from most boring job ever to full on expert marksman against pumped up crazies in a fraction of a second with no warning. Just does not happen.

Then I guess armed guards in school is a stupid idea, isn't it?


I think that there is a deterrent factor and it is definitely needed in some schools for that. Should be an option when needed, as it is already. The evidence so far is that universal armed guards aren't going to help with this type of school shooting by maniacs.
 
2012-12-24 10:10:11 AM

Mimic_Octopus: Infernalist: rth

umm, just about every single one that has ever been toppled ? you think they all stepped down after a debate ?

how many revolutions were successfully carried out without guns ?


No no. I'm not asking you how many dictators got overthrown by their own military or by a foreign military.

I'm asking you how many dictators have been overthrown by popular citizen uprising with civilian weaponry.

Because, that's the silly premise here: That an armed citizenry will overthrow an American dictator with their civilian owned weaponry.

So. How often has that actually happened in history?
 
2012-12-24 10:10:15 AM

Wasilla Hillbilly: I'll allow that having armed police/guards at every school could potentially work as a deterrent, but in the event of an actual shooting, I can't imagine they would stand much chance of making a huge difference. Although maybe it wouldn't take 20 plus minutes to respond. The reality is that events such as this are still going to be relatively uncommon, and I could see it being difficult to maintain a high-alert state while patrolling a school after enough time has passed without an incident. Of course, the amount of security that would really be required to make schools "safe" would create a prison-like atmosphere that I am not sure is a great environment for learning and growing.


Anybody set on shooting up a school would be aware of any guard and that guard would be the first target. And you are correct that it would take a squad to protect a school. Then we would need fences, concertina wire and gun towers. Little prisons all over town.

Or we could get the automatic (full and semi) off the streets and into blast furnaces.
 
2012-12-24 10:11:05 AM

Coastalgrl: ladyfortuna: Coastalgrl: Ok bro ok however the houses are still on fire and apparently lost of them are abandoned. So who know who was squatting in there. Houses were built in the 20s so are going up like kindle. Really close together.

If you look at the pictures in the article, I don't think they're the old ones, looks like newer construction in the background. That's right near the lake shore/bay so lots of more expensive houses. I'm going to have to get in touch with friends in the area later for more details :(

I think that it's the staging area. I'm sure the police aren't letting the press anywhere near the houses. The big ones are nearby and I think the one in the photo is on the lake side.


The D&C article I linked has more details, but this makes it pretty clear: Authorities are on the scene evacuating residents. Residents are being evacuated from the Webster side of the bay to the Irondequoit side. They are being searched by New York state police and other authorities before being taken to a Regional Transit Service bus.

This is freaking me out.
 
2012-12-24 10:11:11 AM

Katolu: How come the NRA wasn't clamoring for all blacks to carry guns after Trayvon Martin was killed?


The all blacks don't need guns. They have the haka.
 
2012-12-24 10:11:19 AM

chuckufarlie: rn


you think we have ever replaced the government ? jeez man, you dont notice the tide keeps coming and never recedes, since about the 50's ? its nice of you to root for one of the "teams" they provide though. the eat is not foreign it is domestic. ask T Jefferson about it.
 
2012-12-24 10:11:30 AM

iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.


When I graduated in 02 our school did. They had an officer at school all day. One of the golden boys I played football with thought it would be funny to grab his gun. Instant expulsion. Funny enough, this year when trying to throw together our ten year reunion through Facebook, he was leading it. Someone asked if she could go even though she dropped out. He said he guessed but it would be odd since she didn't graduate with us.. I pointed out he didn't either, and it got some lulz.
 
2012-12-24 10:11:48 AM

Mouser: Teufelaffe: letrole: The problem with spree shootings isn't the innercity youths who are indeed armed to the teeth and willing to pull the trigger. The vast majority of firearm murders in the US comes from gangbangers and street thugs killing each other for practical reasons -- with specific targets. If the number of guns or the mere presense of guns were the problem, then you would expect to see pointless mass murders on the news each night.

The problem is rich white male misfits. Modern society is corrupt. The natural mechanisms that always kept erratic behaviour in check have been broken and perverted to favour the individual at the expense of the community.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses, and a new order reforms from the ashes

"Our Earth is degenerate in these later days; there are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end; bribery and corruption are common; children no longer obey their parents; every man wants to write a book and the end of the world is evidently approaching." ~ 4800 year-old Assryian tablet

Folks like you have been decrying the end of civilization as we know it for nearly 5,000 years.

You don't see any Assyrians around these days, do you? At one point they were one of the most powerful empires in the Middle East, until their entire civilization collapsed practically overnight.


funny note: The tablet was decrying the end of the world, not the end of their civilization.
 
2012-12-24 10:11:59 AM

ladyfortuna: Coastalgrl: ladyfortuna: Coastalgrl: Ok bro ok however the houses are still on fire and apparently lost of them are abandoned. So who know who was squatting in there. Houses were built in the 20s so are going up like kindle. Really close together.

If you look at the pictures in the article, I don't think they're the old ones, looks like newer construction in the background. That's right near the lake shore/bay so lots of more expensive houses. I'm going to have to get in touch with friends in the area later for more details :(

I think that it's the staging area. I'm sure the police aren't letting the press anywhere near the houses. The big ones are nearby and I think the one in the photo is on the lake side.

The D&C article I linked has more details, but this makes it pretty clear: Authorities are on the scene evacuating residents. Residents are being evacuated from the Webster side of the bay to the Irondequoit side. They are being searched by New York state police and other authorities before being taken to a Regional Transit Service bus.

This is freaking me out.


I read a tweet saying the gunman is not still at large. Apparently that's not correct?
 
2012-12-24 10:11:59 AM

cameroncrazy1984: shiat, I didn't even read the article. I know a Webster firefighter. Luckily he's out of town today.


Interestin demographics in that area
Like a melding pot

Of Oil anf water.
 
2012-12-24 10:12:06 AM

iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.


Because it is a massive waste of money.
 
2012-12-24 10:12:11 AM
2012 hasn't been the best year has it?
 
2012-12-24 10:12:19 AM
Teufelaffe "Our Earth is degenerate in these later days; there are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end; bribery and corruption are common; children no longer obey their parents; every man wants to write a book and the end of the world is evidently approaching." ~ 4800 year-old Assryian tablet

Folks like you have been decrying the end of civilization as we know it for nearly 5,000 years.



But the Assryians collapsed in a long civil war.
 
2012-12-24 10:13:01 AM

chuckufarlie: Mimic_Octopus: WhippingBoy: Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.

There's a lot of colored boys and Messicans in the USA who are just waiting for the chance to break into the homes of real 'Murrucans in order to rape their white women, steal their bibles, and burn their American flags. To prevent this, it's necessary to own military grade weapons. It's just common sense.

we need the military grade weapons (which a semi-auto rifle is not) for when the US govt ends up like the british one we threw off a few years ago. do you think history stops because you are here right now ?

You do realize that the USA has a military that is responsible for protecting us from invasion, right? Or are you afraid of the legally elected government that we replace on a regular basis?

Exactly what is the stupidity that you are so afraid of?


He was paraphrasing the second amendment of the constitution. They wanted the people to always feel they had the power to overthrow their government if it ever turned to tyrrany.

I do however think some of the gun nuts are way beyond the "empowered" stage, and are more at the "when are we doing this" stage.
 
2012-12-24 10:13:14 AM

Wasilla Hillbilly: I'll allow that having armed police/guards at every school could potentially work as a deterrent,


Hell, I won't even allow for that. Every person that's walked in and shot up a school had no intention of walking back out. They plan on dying. At best they won't be concerned about an armed guard at all (like Columbine) and just go about their business. At worst you'll have armed parties exchanging gunfire in a school full of children and at that point my money is on the crazies versus the hugely outgunned rent a cop that has no idea wtf is going on.
 
2012-12-24 10:13:24 AM

Infernalist: t actually happene


oh, well. ours then. you are familiar with how troops were raised from up and down the eastern seaboard and frontier for the revolution, no ?
 
2012-12-24 10:13:54 AM

letrole: Teufelaffe "Our Earth is degenerate in these later days; there are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end; bribery and corruption are common; children no longer obey their parents; every man wants to write a book and the end of the world is evidently approaching." ~ 4800 year-old Assryian tablet

Folks like you have been decrying the end of civilization as we know it for nearly 5,000 years.


But the Assryians collapsed in a long civil war.


But civilization did not, troll.
 
2012-12-24 10:13:55 AM
Now all the bad people have to do is to keep shooting people and they'll take away all the good people's guns.   Ironic, and it works out for the bad people.
 
2012-12-24 10:14:00 AM

czei: I get it: gun violence is caused by liberals working for Obama has part of a grand conspiracy to take away our guns?


I don't know that they're working for Obama or are working to take away our guns, but yeah, I doubt any of the recent mass shooters were registered as Republicans. In fact, a fair number of them (Side show bob and Loughner) seem to have been Democratic activists of sorts.
 
2012-12-24 10:14:00 AM

ladyfortuna: Coastalgrl: ladyfortuna: Coastalgrl:

The D&C article I linked has more details, but this makes it pretty clear: Authorities are on the scene evacuating residents. Residents are being evacuated from the Webster side of the bay to the Irondequoit side. They are being searched by New York state police and other authorities before being taken to a Regional Transit Service bus.

This is freaking me out.



Why are they being searched? The NRA would have the police issuing guns to them.
 
2012-12-24 10:14:10 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: ongbok: Cataholic: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

And by "armed guards", you mean one police officer who was off campus eating lunch in his car.

By armed he means armed with a radio and a whistle like at most non gang riddled high schools.

I would like to see a citation that the Columbine school security were armed when that shooting happened.

Columbine had armed guard. Did he save lives? I'm sure he did. The point is that obviously he was not a deterrent. He wasn't off campus either, he was just on the other side of the building. They had no problem shooting at him, too.

Address the root of the problem, don't react to it with "moar gunz!".

/yes, I own guns
//so does my sis
///obviously not anti-gun


And see how effective Clinton's "assault weapon" ban was at Columbine?

Feinstein either doesn't get it or . . . is evil.

I'll go with evil.
 
2012-12-24 10:14:26 AM

chuckufarlie: Exactly what is the stupidity that you are so afraid of?


That they're wrong. So they'll double down on their position, because being wrong hurts their already shattered and bruised egos. Which is why they compensate by owning a gun and claiming it's to protect them from the government.
 
2012-12-24 10:14:32 AM

KarmicDisaster: Infernalist: KarmicDisaster: Orgasmatron138: ongbok: Cataholic: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

And by "armed guards", you mean one police officer who was off campus eating lunch in his car.

By armed he means armed with a radio and a whistle like at most non gang riddled high schools.

I would like to see a citation that the Columbine school security were armed when that shooting happened.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/columbine-armed-guards_n_234 7 096.html

He shot at the attackers and missed. Oops.

The problem is that you are expecting a guy that stands there day after day after day for years on end in the most boring job ever, to go from most boring job ever to full on expert marksman against pumped up crazies in a fraction of a second with no warning. Just does not happen.

Then I guess armed guards in school is a stupid idea, isn't it?

I think that there is a deterrent factor and it is definitely needed in some schools for that. Should be an option when needed, as it is already. The evidence so far is that universal armed guards aren't going to help with this type of school shooting by maniacs.


guards in schools today are there to keep students from hurting each other. Guards in schools to protect the students from outside attack would be pointless. Now you have a gun battle going on inside of a school, with both sides killing students, even if it is by accident.

The answer is LESS guns, not more. Take the guns off the streets.
 
2012-12-24 10:14:48 AM

IronTom: Now all the bad people have to do is to keep shooting people and they'll take away all the good people's guns.   Ironic, and it works out for the bad people.


How much you wanna bet this was a legal gun? How do you explain that?
 
2012-12-24 10:15:05 AM

Mimic_Octopus: Infernalist: t actually happene

oh, well. ours then. you are familiar with how troops were raised from up and down the eastern seaboard and frontier for the revolution, no ?


You mean the one with the American military force, supplied by the French?

What else you got?
 
2012-12-24 10:15:16 AM

Yakk: We need a list of everywhere to put armed guards for our protection from the bad people.

School
School playgrounds
School sporting events
Church
Beach
Park
Camp
Mall
Strip Mall
Grocery store
Festival
Public Fair
Amusement park
(Fire?)

and we should be covered. Unless they go after the guards first, then we are boned.


Or a LOEWNTPAGFOPFBP for short...
 
2012-12-24 10:15:32 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.

There's  a part in our constitution that guarantees our right to bear arms and maintain a militia and it seems a lot of people seem to think there should be no restrictions on any guns at all because of it - no training classes required, no test, buy semi-autos and automatic weapons if you want them - things like that. Which is stupid when you have such a cultural problem in your country with people mishandling guns or outright going on a killing  spree.

We also  apparently have more crazy people. When I lived in Norway for a brief time, where many are also avid hunters, there were no such problems. They recently had that one incident where a crazy rampage shooter, Anders Breivik,  killed over 80 people, but  other than  that, it's usually pretty calm over there, except for stabbings, but you are going to have a hard time taking out multiple targets with a knife very effectively. So I'm going to go with "Americans are crazy, though I am still  proud to be one, I am just sad about all of this". Especially since I am a gun owner myself. So is my sister, and we live in the same house.

/all guns are safely locked away when not in use, except one


Living in Norway now- high rate of gun ownership here--- zero handguns, cops unarmed, and citizens need to keep weapons in gun safes at home. C&C? Forget about it.

That all said, there much more stabbings around hear.
 
2012-12-24 10:15:40 AM
www.cuerpoyarte.com

/too inside info?
 
2012-12-24 10:15:49 AM

cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: Now all the bad people have to do is to keep shooting people and they'll take away all the good people's guns.   Ironic, and it works out for the bad people.

How much you wanna bet this was a legal gun? How do you explain that?


That it was a bad person.
 
2012-12-24 10:16:23 AM
Slightly on/off topic:  Didn't we have a thread back in the summer involving a hit and run in Webster, New York where the drunk denied ever doing it or some crazy shiat?
 
2012-12-24 10:16:34 AM
letrole: But the Assryians collapsed in a long civil war.

cameroncrazy1984: But civilization did not, troll.


It did for the Assryians.
 
2012-12-24 10:17:08 AM
I hear these stories and think we need to get rid of guns. Then other people hear these stories and think we need more guns.


//We cant even handle public restrooms how can we handle firearms?
 
2012-12-24 10:17:10 AM

letrole: The problem with spree shootings isn't the innercity youths who are indeed armed to the teeth and willing to pull the trigger. The vast majority of firearm murders in the US comes from gangbangers and street thugs killing each other for practical reasons -- with specific targets. If the number of guns or the mere presense of guns were the problem, then you would expect to see pointless mass murders on the news each night.

The problem is rich white male misfits. Modern society is corrupt. The natural mechanisms that always kept erratic behaviour in check have been broken and perverted to favour the individual at the expense of the community.

1. If suicide is no longer a sin,
2. If public disobedience and defiance against authority are glorified,
3. If fame or celebrity is rewarded without merit,
4. If Right and Wrong are no longer absolute,
5. If erratic behaviour is no longer shameful,
6. If internal or self justification is held as a virtue,

-- then it will all continue along this path until society completely collapses, and a new order reforms from the ashes


Or doesn't. There is no guarantee humanity will exist 100 years from now.
 
2012-12-24 10:17:22 AM

farkmedown: And see how effective Clinton's "assault weapon" ban was at Columbine?

Feinstein either doesn't get it or . . . is evil.

I'll go with evil


Interestingly enough, they killed 12 students with shotguns and a carbine. the Sandy Hook guy had a Bushmaster assault rifle and he killed 26.
 
2012-12-24 10:17:26 AM
Clearly, we need to put some 50 caliber machine guns on top of those fire trucks.
 
2012-12-24 10:17:50 AM

KarmicDisaster: ladyfortuna: Coastalgrl: ladyfortuna: Coastalgrl:

The D&C article I linked has more details, but this makes it pretty clear: Authorities are on the scene evacuating residents. Residents are being evacuated from the Webster side of the bay to the Irondequoit side. They are being searched by New York state police and other authorities before being taken to a Regional Transit Service bus.

This is freaking me out.


Why are they being searched? The NRA would have the police issuing guns to them.


Why are you asking me? I don't even live there anymore... just know the area pretty well. Read the article I linked if you really want to know more...
 
2012-12-24 10:17:52 AM

chuckufarlie: KarmicDisaster: Infernalist: KarmicDisaster: Orgasmatron138: ongbok: Cataholic: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

And by "armed guards", you mean one police officer who was off campus eating lunch in his car.

By armed he means armed with a radio and a whistle like at most non gang riddled high schools.

I would like to see a citation that the Columbine school security were armed when that shooting happened.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/columbine-armed-guards_n_234 7 096.html

He shot at the attackers and missed. Oops.

The problem is that you are expecting a guy that stands there day after day after day for years on end in the most boring job ever, to go from most boring job ever to full on expert marksman against pumped up crazies in a fraction of a second with no warning. Just does not happen.

Then I guess armed guards in school is a stupid idea, isn't it?

I think that there is a deterrent factor and it is definitely needed in some schools for that. Should be an option when needed, as it is already. The evidence so far is that universal armed guards aren't going to help with this type of school shooting by maniacs.

guards in schools today are there to keep students from hurting each other. Guards in schools to protect the students from outside attack would be pointless. Now you have a gun battle going on inside of a school, with both sides killing students, even if it is by accident.

The answer is LESS guns, not more. Take the guns off the streets.


You seem to want to argue with me when I'm agreeing with you. Armed guards are needed in some schools to deter in school crime. I don't think that they are going to help much if at all with attacks by maniacs.
 
2012-12-24 10:18:20 AM

Fapinator: Too soon?


F*uck you
 
2012-12-24 10:18:23 AM

Thuull: This is disgusting.  Last thing I need to worry about is another piece of gear on the fire scene.  Let's see...we have:  Helmet, bunker pants, bunker coat, hood, 2x pair gloves, radio, flashlight, boots, mask, airpack, pliers, Z-hook, thermal camera, gas meter, axe, halligan, sidearm.  WTF.


Good luck taking out a sniper at a fire scene at night.
 
2012-12-24 10:18:25 AM

FriarReb98: Slightly on/off topic:  Didn't we have a thread back in the summer involving a hit and run in Webster, New York where the drunk denied ever doing it or some crazy shiat?


Yes. I don't have it favorited and I have to go to the vet, but yes we did.
 
2012-12-24 10:18:28 AM

IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: Now all the bad people have to do is to keep shooting people and they'll take away all the good people's guns.   Ironic, and it works out for the bad people.

How much you wanna bet this was a legal gun? How do you explain that?

That it was a bad person.


So rather than making it more difficult for "bad people" to get a legal gun, you want to arm everyone so that more people are likely to die in these things?

Smart!
 
2012-12-24 10:19:07 AM
feral hogs are some mean madafaks brah. defo recco sum GUNZ to fix ya pig problems
 
2012-12-24 10:19:27 AM

Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.


What I see is missing from the discussion here is that the 2nd Amendment was originally a guarantee that the people could maintain their own arsenal to be brought to bear against a tyrannical government. It's not about the blacks or the Messicans stealing women and raping bibles (though, I LOL'ed hard at that one). The founding fathers had JUST completed an armed rebellion against an oppressive regime and they knew just how hard it was to scrounge up armaments for an entire rebellion. How helpful would it have been if the entire Continental Army already had weaponry? That is the reason for those people we lovingly call gun nuts wanting to have military-grade firepower.

This wasn't really a huge issue for a long time, but nowadays we are seeing more and more government intrusion/overreach (TSA, PATRIOT Act, pepper spray for public assembly, etc) and those of us who remember some basic history are getting nervous. When the jackbooted thugs come to hand deliver our government-assigned Freedom Beating or Freedom Killing, some of us aren't going to want to just lay there and take it.

/Important terms emboldened for your studying convenience
 
2012-12-24 10:20:06 AM
You know something?

I was having a great morning. I managed to get a stroke patient within the window last night, and her NIH Score is now a 2 because they gave her the clotbuster. So I was feeling pretty good.

Then I read this, and found out three firefighters had been ambushed by an asshole. Two are critical, and may not survive.

fark these people so much.
 
2012-12-24 10:20:34 AM
Man, anyone else feel like firing up Shadowrun?
 
2012-12-24 10:20:40 AM

Mr. Eugenides: czei: I get it: gun violence is caused by liberals working for Obama has part of a grand conspiracy to take away our guns?

I don't know that they're working for Obama or are working to take away our guns, but yeah, I doubt any of the recent mass shooters were registered as Republicans. In fact, a fair number of them (Side show bob and Loughner) seem to have been Democratic activists of sorts.


right, the kid's mother was a survivalist. How many survivalists do you think are Democrats? The kid grew up in a Republican household.

The idea that these maniacs are working to take away your guns is incredibly stupid. They do not have a political agenda, they are pissed and want to take it out on people.

You should go find a mental health professional and have a nice long talk. They cannot cure stupid, but they can help with the crazy.
 
2012-12-24 10:21:08 AM
Oh the outrage, how dare they make a sensible statement such as having city schools be patrolled by city police officers. That would call fro removing the police from the doughnut shops.
 
2012-12-24 10:21:26 AM
This is sick.
 
2012-12-24 10:22:44 AM

david_gaithersburg: Oh the outrage, how dare they make a sensible statement such as having city schools be patrolled by city police officers. That would call fro removing the police from the doughnut shops.


Ooh, it was a good try up until the easy spelling error.
 
2012-12-24 10:22:58 AM

david_gaithersburg: Oh the outrage, how dare they make a sensible statement such as having city schools be patrolled by city police officers. That would call fro removing the police from the doughnut shops.


This was at a fire. Idiot. Take your 2nd amendment and jam it up your ass
 
2012-12-24 10:23:03 AM

chuckufarlie: Mr. Eugenides: czei: I get it: gun violence is caused by liberals working for Obama has part of a grand conspiracy to take away our guns?

I don't know that they're working for Obama or are working to take away our guns, but yeah, I doubt any of the recent mass shooters were registered as Republicans. In fact, a fair number of them (Side show bob and Loughner) seem to have been Democratic activists of sorts.

right, the kid's mother was a survivalist. How many survivalists do you think are Democrats? The kid grew up in a Republican household.

The idea that these maniacs are working to take away your guns is incredibly stupid. They do not have a political agenda, they are pissed and want to take it out on people.

You should go find a mental health professional and have a nice long talk. They cannot cure stupid, but they can help with the crazy.


Nah, see, this is pure damage control. They 'have' to maintain their stance of 'persecuted victims' because then they don't have to explain how this is acceptable for our society to simply have to deal with on a daily basis.

Our society is saturated with small, easily hidden, easily carried tools meant only to kill other people. And then we have the balls to act surprised with unbalanced people get a hold of some and kill people.
 
2012-12-24 10:23:42 AM

BronyMedic: Arthurgoboom: This wasn't really a huge issue for a long time, but nowadays we are seeing more and more government intrusion/overreach (TSA, PATRIOT Act, pepper spray for public assembly, etc) and those of us who remember some basic history are getting nervous

You must not remember basic history if you think this is new.

[parkplanning.nps.gov image 300x225]

Spare me your "We gotta fight the gubament now" crap. Where were you people when the Pinkerton Detective Agency was using armored cars with machine guns to murder striking mine workers?


Shoot, this goes all the way back to the Whiskey Rebellion. That worked out so well, right?
 
2012-12-24 10:23:46 AM

Fapinator: [img689.imageshack.us image 729x600]

Too soon?


I hate this. Not because it's "too soon" or you offended me, but because it's like laughing at your own joke and elbowing the people around you to start laughing to. It's the same as people saying "aisle seat LOL" at the end of their posts because they assume they're just so clever and offensive. It's patting yourself on the back for a trolling attempt that probably didn't troll anyone.

It's not too soon because that joke is old.
 
2012-12-24 10:24:14 AM

FarkinFarker: God damnit what's wrong with people?


Pretty much this. I have never understood why people will shoot at medics and firefighters. They're not going to arrest you; they're here to help save lives.

I think I need a shot of something already and it's *checks clock* 10:24a.
 
2012-12-24 10:24:25 AM

Waxing_Chewbacca: david_gaithersburg: Oh the outrage, how dare they make a sensible statement such as having city schools be patrolled by city police officers. That would call fro removing the police from the doughnut shops.

This was at a fire. Idiot. Take your 2nd amendment and jam it up your ass


What other civil rights do you hate?
 
2012-12-24 10:24:30 AM

Mimic_Octopus: Infernalist: rth

umm, just about every single one that has ever been toppled ? you think they all stepped down after a debate ?

how many revolutions were successfully carried out without guns ?


Well, every revolution that predates guns and a smattering of revolutions in recent history. Recent is a relative term so keep that in mind when doing your research.

Further - guns are for well regulated militias and not your uncle Bob who still watches the tree lines for "Japs".

The problem with this discussion is that somehow you think you can acquire enough guns to fight in a revolution against the US. A gun is worthless without continued training and downright dangerous without strict regulation.

If having armed forces to fight against this future government makes you feel better then you're responsible for establishing a plan that doesn't make everyone more dangerous in doing so.
 
2012-12-24 10:24:53 AM
Let's filter this article through the translator :OBEY...AFRAID...FEAR...OBEY..PARANOIA ....OBEY..OBEY...WWHHAARRBB.......aw crap I think it's broken.
 
2012-12-24 10:25:01 AM

Bontesla: computerguyUT: Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.

It's being overblown by the media.
Yesterday somehow 319,999,999 people managed to not shoot anybody.

So you're saying the number of people shot was an acceptable level? Good to know.


That's amazing how you took what I wrote and turned it into what I really mean for me jackhole.

You guys spout "take them all away" like that would solve anything since it's not law abiding gun owners that are going nutjob.
Where's your real solution? It's so much easier to just spout crap and rhetoric in funny redneck misspelled words and make funny DEHURRRR sounds. Just makes you feel so superior doesn't it.
This country is in the situation it is currently is because we are building a structure that panders to the lowest common denominator.
The problem is there are just too damn many ways for the .0001% to go apeshiat.

Where does it end? passing laws does not affect criminals. I don't know how else to phrase it so you guy can undertand it.
Every gun I own is locked in a safe. If the Gestapo were to come by and take them all, what would that have accomplished?
I have managed to go 45 years without losing one and without shooting someone.
Why is the viloent .0001% more important than me?
 
2012-12-24 10:25:08 AM

Catymogo1: Not sure what shooting the *firefighters* will accomplish, especially if you live in the neighborhood where they're trying to PUT OUT THE FIRE.


Then you don't remember the riots in the late 1960's do you?
 
2012-12-24 10:25:36 AM

cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: Now all the bad people have to do is to keep shooting people and they'll take away all the good people's guns.   Ironic, and it works out for the bad people.

How much you wanna bet this was a legal gun? How do you explain that?

That it was a bad person.

So rather than making it more difficult for "bad people" to get a legal gun, you want to arm everyone so that more people are likely to die in these things?

Smart!


You are putting words in my mouth.  This discussion is pointless.  I'm just saying that the bad person is the fault of this new horror.
 
2012-12-24 10:26:00 AM

ladyfortuna: Coastalgrl: ladyfortuna: Coastalgrl: Ok bro ok however the houses are still on fire and apparently lost of them are abandoned. So who know who was squatting in there. Houses were built in the 20s so are going up like kindle. Really close together.

If you look at the pictures in the article, I don't think they're the old ones, looks like newer construction in the background. That's right near the lake shore/bay so lots of more expensive houses. I'm going to have to get in touch with friends in the area later for more details :(

I think that it's the staging area. I'm sure the police aren't letting the press anywhere near the houses. The big ones are nearby and I think the one in the photo is on the lake side.

The D&C article I linked has more details, but this makes it pretty clear: Authorities are on the scene evacuating residents. Residents are being evacuated from the Webster side of the bay to the Irondequoit side. They are being searched by New York state police and other authorities before being taken to a Regional Transit Service bus.

This is freaking me out.


Oh terrific. Merry Farkin Christmas. Not only do they get evacuated and searched, their house could burn down as well.
 
2012-12-24 10:26:02 AM
I have nothing of interest to add
 
2012-12-24 10:26:17 AM

Infernalist: Mimic_Octopus: Infernalist: t actually happene

oh, well. ours then. you are familiar with how troops were raised from up and down the eastern seaboard and frontier for the revolution, no ?

You mean the one with the American military force, supplied by the French?

What else you got?


never mind man, you just trust that history has stopped and the human psyche has magically evolved into a benevolent altruistic force and human civilization will be governed by a synergistic holistic santa fairy committee
 
2012-12-24 10:26:28 AM

FriarReb98: Slightly on/off topic:  Didn't we have a thread back in the summer involving a hit and run in Webster, New York where the drunk denied ever doing it or some crazy shiat?


Close, Penfield, NY, which borders Webster. Either way, both suburbs are full of upper-middle class white families who's children grew up coddled and restless. I will say Webster wins out with their much more pretentious town slogan of "Where Life is Worth Living" though.
 
2012-12-24 10:26:40 AM
Derek Vinyard is gonna be pissed.

For real though, f the shooters in the ear with a baseball bat.
 
2012-12-24 10:26:43 AM

WTF Indeed: Fapinator: [img689.imageshack.us image 729x600]

Too soon?

Just a bit. Go back to 4chan, you 12 year old chucklef*ck.


Seriously inappropriate.... it should be firefighters in that pic.
 
2012-12-24 10:26:57 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Shoot, this goes all the way back to the Whiskey Rebellion. That worked out so well, right?


To be fair, moonshine is freakin' awesome. I could understand rebelling for the right to drink tax free. It's a God given, basic right that all of FARK should defend with their lives.

Infernalist: Nah, see, this is pure damage control. They 'have' to maintain their stance of 'persecuted victims' because then they don't have to explain how this is acceptable for our society to simply have to deal with on a daily basis.

Our society is saturated with small, easily hidden, easily carried tools meant only to kill other people. And then we have the balls to act surprised with unbalanced people get a hold of some and kill people.


I'm surprised that more people don't have that shill ignored.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-24 10:27:05 AM

IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: Now all the bad people have to do is to keep shooting people and they'll take away all the good people's guns.   Ironic, and it works out for the bad people.

How much you wanna bet this was a legal gun? How do you explain that?

That it was a bad person.

So rather than making it more difficult for "bad people" to get a legal gun, you want to arm everyone so that more people are likely to die in these things?

Smart!

You are putting words in my mouth.  This discussion is pointless.  I'm just saying that the bad person is the fault of this new horror.


Yes he is, and it likely wouldn't be a new horror if the bad person didn't have access to a gun.
 
2012-12-24 10:27:27 AM
Webster Police also say that there is no active shooter.

Just what this country needs, couch potato shooters.
 
2012-12-24 10:27:55 AM
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

What would a well regulated militia look like? 'Cause, with all these mass shootings it's apparent we need one.
 
2012-12-24 10:28:04 AM
Guns don't kill people, bullets do.  Therefore all arguments about guns are invalid and should be stopped immediately since they are not bullets.  Further, every gun-related crime is proof that more guns are needed, since the only way to stop someone with a gun is with another gun, but that doesn't mean that guns are better than knives or bats and in no way disproves our own stance that all items are equally deadly. And if you don't believe that you're a frightened commie that wants to repeal the 2nd Amendment.

/NRA expanded "logic"
 
2012-12-24 10:28:09 AM

filter: Thuull: This is disgusting.  Last thing I need to worry about is another piece of gear on the fire scene.  Let's see...we have:  Helmet, bunker pants, bunker coat, hood, 2x pair gloves, radio, flashlight, boots, mask, airpack, pliers, Z-hook, thermal camera, gas meter, axe, halligan, sidearm.  WTF.

Good luck taking out a sniper at a fire scene at night.


It's all about fire and maneuver.  Although you're probably right...bunker gear would not be very easy to bust a sniper in.
 
2012-12-24 10:28:13 AM

jakepowers: I have nothing of interest to add


WILD PIGS, nubian!!¡!!!!!¡!
 
2012-12-24 10:28:56 AM
img716.imageshack.us
Pic of this thread.
 
2012-12-24 10:28:57 AM
I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

It's outdated, it's a holdover from a time before we had a National Guard and it's used as a blanket shield by a handful of corporations to flood our society with weapons simply for the sake of profit without a thought given to the damage that it's doing to our people and society as a whole.

The Constitution is not written in stone and not only 'can' it be changed, but it 'should' be changed to reflect a changing nation. And I think it's past time for us to retire this Amendment. Guns do not make us safer. They make us less safe, less secure and they're a detriment to the common good of the American people.

Enough.
 
2012-12-24 10:28:58 AM

Mimic_Octopus: Infernalist: t actually happene

oh, well. ours then. you are familiar with how troops were raised from up and down the eastern seaboard and frontier for the revolution, no ?


then they were trained in the European style of fighting. Until that happened, they lost every battle that they fought.

And if you read any accounts of the Revolution, you will see that the militia was looked down on by the real Army. The only thing that you could count on was that they would run away at the first chance.

99% of US gun owners would be piss poor soldiers. Overweight is no way to fight a war.
 
2012-12-24 10:29:09 AM

BokerBill: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

What would a well regulated militia look like? 'Cause, with all these mass shootings it's apparent we need one.


Citizen, that is your job.
Git er dun.
 
2012-12-24 10:29:52 AM
How is having armed guards at schools a deterrent? How many school shootings have there been where the gunmen lived a healthy life everafter? They go into this knowing what the outcome is. Having a guard there just means they're the first shot.
 
2012-12-24 10:29:59 AM

BokerBill: What would a well regulated militia look like? 'Cause, with all these mass shootings it's apparent we need one.


blog.nj.com
Pictured: New Jersey National Guard on Parade, 4 Jul 2012.
 
2012-12-24 10:30:15 AM

Coastalgrl: Ok bro ok however the houses are still on fire and apparently lost of them are abandoned. So who know who was squatting in there. Houses were built in the 20s so are going up like kindle. Really close together.


Most of that was English. Good job.
 
2012-12-24 10:30:25 AM
We need more fire control.
 
2012-12-24 10:30:33 AM

lordjupiter: Guns don't kill people, bullets do.  Therefore all arguments about guns are invalid and should be stopped immediately since they are not bullets.  Further, every gun-related crime is proof that more guns are needed, since the only way to stop someone with a gun is with another gun, but that doesn't mean that guns are better than knives or bats and in no way disproves our own stance that all items are equally deadly. And if you don't believe that you're a frightened commie that wants to repeal the 2nd Amendment.

/NRA expanded "logic"


bullets without guns might kill a person now and then, but it is unlikely unless you are in the middle of a crowd.
 
2012-12-24 10:30:50 AM

Mimic_Octopus: Infernalist: Mimic_Octopus: Infernalist: t actually happene

oh, well. ours then. you are familiar with how troops were raised from up and down the eastern seaboard and frontier for the revolution, no ?

You mean the one with the American military force, supplied by the French?

What else you got?

never mind man, you just trust that history has stopped and the human psyche has magically evolved into a benevolent altruistic force and human civilization will be governed by a synergistic holistic santa fairy committee


So you got nothing. Awesome. Dictators: 0 Innocent victims to date: Too farking many.
 
2012-12-24 10:31:02 AM
The NRA is not going to be happy until we are all living Mad Max
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
you always need to be armed to the teeth when you are walking your dingo
 
2012-12-24 10:31:12 AM

Scerpes: Waxing_Chewbacca: david_gaithersburg: Oh the outrage, how dare they make a sensible statement such as having city schools be patrolled by city police officers. That would call fro removing the police from the doughnut shops.

This was at a fire. Idiot. Take your 2nd amendment and jam it up your ass

What other civil rights do you hate?


Is there another which you the tools to kill with speed, efficiency and devastation?
 
2012-12-24 10:31:25 AM

Thuull: This is disgusting.  Last thing I need to worry about is another piece of gear on the fire scene.  Let's see...we have:  Helmet, bunker pants, bunker coat, hood, 2x pair gloves, radio, flashlight, boots, mask, airpack, pliers, Z-hook, thermal camera, gas meter, axe, halligan, sidearm.  WTF.


Sounds like someone didn't get the promotion to Fire Marshal they were wanting.

/Memphis took away their Fire Marshal's guns because one guy shot himself, and the other waved it in the face of a woman who was being nasty to him.
 
2012-12-24 10:31:37 AM

Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.


.
As human beings we believe ourselves to have certain basic human rights that are inalienable, and have provided that those basic human rights shall never be infringed upon by the government. One of those rights is the basic right to protect one's self from anything, including an out of control government. Our second amendment also serves to guarantee that the government will think twice before attempting to infringe upon any of the other basic human rights enshrined in the first ten amendments to our constitution.

240 years ago we had a standing army, and the best trained army in the world too. Our government became tyrannical and out of control, we took up arms and formed local militias to stand up against the biggest and best trained army and navy on the planet. That newly formed US government began to erode during the FDR administration and it is still slowly dissolving today.
 
2012-12-24 10:31:45 AM

farkmedown: Real Women Drink Akvavit: ongbok: Cataholic: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

And by "armed guards", you mean one police officer who was off campus eating lunch in his car.

By armed he means armed with a radio and a whistle like at most non gang riddled high schools.

I would like to see a citation that the Columbine school security were armed when that shooting happened.

Columbine had armed guard. Did he save lives? I'm sure he did. The point is that obviously he was not a deterrent. He wasn't off campus either, he was just on the other side of the building. They had no problem shooting at him, too.

Address the root of the problem, don't react to it with "moar gunz!".

/yes, I own guns
//so does my sis
///obviously not anti-gun

And see how effective Clinton's "assault weapon" ban was at Columbine?

Feinstein either doesn't get it or . . . is evil.

I'll go with evil.


There was a grandfather clause in that law. If you already owned one when the law went into effect, you could  legally keep it, just not legally sell it.  I know because I have a gun nut friend who bought a few before the law took effect, just so he could have them. I'm kind of a gun nut myself, owning multiple guns (among other weapons), but I'm not that fanatical about it.
 
2012-12-24 10:31:54 AM

Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

It's outdated, it's a holdover from a time before we had a National Guard and it's used as a blanket shield by a handful of corporations to flood our society with weapons simply for the sake of profit without a thought given to the damage that it's doing to our people and society as a whole.

The Constitution is not written in stone and not only 'can' it be changed, but it 'should' be changed to reflect a changing nation. And I think it's past time for us to retire this Amendment. Guns do not make us safer. They make us less safe, less secure and they're a detriment to the common good of the American people.

Enough.


If yur gonna change it, legalize RPGs and machine guns so we can keep up with the neighbors.
THAT was the intent of the Constitution, to arm the citizens with people killing weapons.
Huntin' squirrel hardly seems to be worth all the Constitutionalizing.
 
2012-12-24 10:32:19 AM
It would be easier to identify and weed out the dangerous nutters if society hadn't degenerated into a free-for-all of aberrant behaviour and all manner of perversions of body and soul.

It bears fullcapping: THE GUNS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THERE.

Something has changed. This thread is populated with oh-so-smug and clever lads who evidently skipped class the day they covered cause and effect.
 
2012-12-24 10:32:51 AM

Waxing_Chewbacca: Scerpes: Waxing_Chewbacca: david_gaithersburg: Oh the outrage, how dare they make a sensible statement such as having city schools be patrolled by city police officers. That would call fro removing the police from the doughnut shops.

This was at a fire. Idiot. Take your 2nd amendment and jam it up your ass

What other civil rights do you hate?

Is there another which you the tools to kill with speed, efficiency and devastation?


I guess you've never been behind the wheel of a car.
 
2012-12-24 10:33:13 AM

Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.


You're far from the first one to come out and admit that.
 
2012-12-24 10:33:20 AM

david_gaithersburg: 240 years ago we had a standing army, and the best trained army in the world too. Our government became tyrannical and out of control, we took up arms and formed local militias to stand up against the biggest and best trained army and navy on the planet. That newly formed US government began to erode during the FDR administration and it is still slowly dissolving today.


240 years ago that would have been the British Colonial Army, Sir. And the majority of the military power AND law enforcement in the Colonies at the time was provided by militia conscripts and volunteers.
 
2012-12-24 10:33:38 AM

snocone: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

It's outdated, it's a holdover from a time before we had a National Guard and it's used as a blanket shield by a handful of corporations to flood our society with weapons simply for the sake of profit without a thought given to the damage that it's doing to our people and society as a whole.

The Constitution is not written in stone and not only 'can' it be changed, but it 'should' be changed to reflect a changing nation. And I think it's past time for us to retire this Amendment. Guns do not make us safer. They make us less safe, less secure and they're a detriment to the common good of the American people.

Enough.

If yur gonna change it, legalize RPGs and machine guns so we can keep up with the neighbors.
THAT was the intent of the Constitution, to arm the citizens with people killing weapons.
Huntin' squirrel hardly seems to be worth all the Constitutionalizing.


Shoot, why stop there? Tactical nuclear weapons are just another step up the ladder.
 
2012-12-24 10:33:42 AM

snocone: If yur gonna change it, legalize RPGs and machine guns so we can keep up with the neighbors.
THAT was the intent of the Constitution, to arm the citizens with people killing weapons.
Huntin' squirrel hardly seems to be worth all the Constitutionalizing.


Machine guns are legal, though regulated.
 
2012-12-24 10:33:58 AM

Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

It's outdated, it's a holdover from a time before we had a National Guard and it's used as a blanket shield by a handful of corporations to flood our society with weapons simply for the sake of profit without a thought given to the damage that it's doing to our people and society as a whole.

The Constitution is not written in stone and not only 'can' it be changed, but it 'should' be changed to reflect a changing nation. And I think it's past time for us to retire this Amendment. Guns do not make us safer. They make us less safe, less secure and they're a detriment to the common good of the American people.

Enough.


^^^^^^^^
Hitler would have loved this guy!
 
2012-12-24 10:33:58 AM

cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: Now all the bad people have to do is to keep shooting people and they'll take away all the good people's guns.   Ironic, and it works out for the bad people.

How much you wanna bet this was a legal gun? How do you explain that?

That it was a bad person.

So rather than making it more difficult for "bad people" to get a legal gun, you want to arm everyone so that more people are likely to die in these things?

Smart!

You are putting words in my mouth.  This discussion is pointless.  I'm just saying that the bad person is the fault of this new horror.

Yes he is, and it likely wouldn't be a new horror if the bad person didn't have access to a gun.


And bad people will have guns no matter what restrictions are put on the good people.
 
2012-12-24 10:34:22 AM
How's that "Well regulated" part of your sacred 2nd amendment working out for you?
 
2012-12-24 10:34:47 AM

Scerpes: Waxing_Chewbacca: Scerpes: Waxing_Chewbacca: david_gaithersburg: Oh the outrage, how dare they make a sensible statement such as having city schools be patrolled by city police officers. That would call fro removing the police from the doughnut shops.

This was at a fire. Idiot. Take your 2nd amendment and jam it up your ass

What other civil rights do you hate?

Is there another which you the tools to kill with speed, efficiency and devastation?

I guess you've never been behind the wheel of a car.


Cars are not designed to kill people.
 
2012-12-24 10:34:48 AM

czei: Easy Reader: If I was believing in conspiracies, I'd say shooting firefighters working a fire was the most perfectly timed next step toward villainizing guns and gun people.

I get it:  gun violence is caused by liberals working for Obama has part of a grand conspiracy to take away our guns?


Exactly! You don't have to be a physics to know that Ad Lanza was a sleeper agent trained by Hillary and activated by 0bama after the election to murder innocent children to create outrage and calls for gun control! There is no length this nig..., uh, president won't go to take our guns!
 
2012-12-24 10:34:49 AM

sparty: Not sure if I've ever seen the fire department was dispatched to a location where the police didn't also respond...

WTF?


Welcome to New York.
Usually there is no problem, occasionally we deal with a drunk, every now and then they wanna fight about it.
Very rarely are guns involved.
On EMS calls we have to check in after 10 minutes on scene, or they call back the residence, and if no answer they send police. This policy change was made after two medics were shot and killed responding to what seemed to be a routine call.
Then there are the assholes who like to pull out in front of or outrun ambulances.
I try not to think that every time I walk out that door, I may not come home.
 
2012-12-24 10:35:08 AM
Gun control 'debate' and 'issues' are a distraction people, come on. I thought better of you. The first thought upon hearing/reading 'gun control' right now you should think "fark the media" instead of stirring up your armchair passions about such n such talking point. If you haven't noticed, the media is hell-bent on keeping the population 'talking' about some thing or another, if it's not the election it's some recent tragedy or threat being pasted like porn into your eyes & ears. There are more fixable problems out there, put your energies towards those. It sickens me that the media favors gun-related child death over other child death, as if the other child deaths are just a fact of life and are not preventable.
 
2012-12-24 10:35:13 AM

BronyMedic: david_gaithersburg: 240 years ago we had a standing army, and the best trained army in the world too. Our government became tyrannical and out of control, we took up arms and formed local militias to stand up against the biggest and best trained army and navy on the planet. That newly formed US government began to erode during the FDR administration and it is still slowly dissolving today.

240 years ago that would have been the British Colonial Army, Sir. And the majority of the military power AND law enforcement in the Colonies at the time was provided by militia conscripts and volunteers.


.
I do believe your beginning to understand. Congrats!
 
2012-12-24 10:35:17 AM

Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

It's outdated, it's a holdover from a time before we had a National Guard and it's used as a blanket shield by a handful of corporations to flood our society with weapons simply for the sake of profit without a thought given to the damage that it's doing to our people and society as a whole.

The Constitution is not written in stone and not only 'can' it be changed, but it 'should' be changed to reflect a changing nation. And I think it's past time for us to retire this Amendment. Guns do not make us safer. They make us less safe, less secure and they're a detriment to the common good of the American people.

Enough.

If yur gonna change it, legalize RPGs and machine guns so we can keep up with the neighbors.
THAT was the intent of the Constitution, to arm the citizens with people killing weapons.
Huntin' squirrel hardly seems to be worth all the Constitutionalizing.

Shoot, why stop there? Tactical nuclear weapons are just another step up the ladder.


When the neighbors get 'em, yes.
Sorry to say, but, yes.
 
2012-12-24 10:35:17 AM

letrole: It would be easier to identify and weed out the dangerous nutters if society hadn't degenerated into a free-for-all of aberrant behaviour and all manner of perversions of body and soul.

It bears fullcapping: THE GUNS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THERE.

Something has changed. This thread is populated with oh-so-smug and clever lads who evidently skipped class the day they covered cause and effect.


I agree. It's high time we turned from the wicked sinful choice of homosexuality, and back to Jesus H Christ, our lord and savior.

He was the holiest man to ever slap iron. He killed for your sins, Sir.

urbannerd.com

/which one of you assholes crapped the buffet?
 
2012-12-24 10:35:18 AM

Infernalist: I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.


Fantastic. You go ahead and start on that Constitutional Amendment.
 
2012-12-24 10:35:24 AM
and at every convenience store, and every home depot, and every house, and every room, until we are a nation of nothing but armed guards.
 
2012-12-24 10:35:25 AM

david_gaithersburg: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

It's outdated, it's a holdover from a time before we had a National Guard and it's used as a blanket shield by a handful of corporations to flood our society with weapons simply for the sake of profit without a thought given to the damage that it's doing to our people and society as a whole.

The Constitution is not written in stone and not only 'can' it be changed, but it 'should' be changed to reflect a changing nation. And I think it's past time for us to retire this Amendment. Guns do not make us safer. They make us less safe, less secure and they're a detriment to the common good of the American people.

Enough.

^^^^^^^^
Hitler would have loved this guy!


Godwinned, ftw.

You got anything else?
 
2012-12-24 10:35:25 AM

Scerpes: Waxing_Chewbacca: Scerpes: Waxing_Chewbacca: david_gaithersburg: Oh the outrage, how dare they make a sensible statement such as having city schools be patrolled by city police officers. That would call fro removing the police from the doughnut shops.

This was at a fire. Idiot. Take your 2nd amendment and jam it up your ass

What other civil rights do you hate?

Is there another which you the tools to kill with speed, efficiency and devastation?

I guess you've never been behind the wheel of a car.


We register cars and drivers and require licensing and theoretical testing and a practical test and full legal ID and insurance to drive one.
 
2012-12-24 10:35:56 AM

Infernalist: I guess you've never been behind the wheel of a car.

Cars are not designed to kill people.


Hmmm...and yet they kill more than guns. I guess that's just a sad byproduct.
 
2012-12-24 10:36:08 AM

Scerpes: Waxing_Chewbacca: Scerpes: Waxing_Chewbacca: david_gaithersburg: Oh the outrage, how dare they make a sensible statement such as having city schools be patrolled by city police officers. That would call fro removing the police from the doughnut shops.

This was at a fire. Idiot. Take your 2nd amendment and jam it up your ass

What other civil rights do you hate?

Is there another which you the tools to kill with speed, efficiency and devastation?

I guess you've never been behind the wheel of a car.


Not this shiat again.  The lies people tell themselves to justify their addictions...
 
2012-12-24 10:36:15 AM

BronyMedic: Thuull: This is disgusting.  Last thing I need to worry about is another piece of gear on the fire scene.  Let's see...we have:  Helmet, bunker pants, bunker coat, hood, 2x pair gloves, radio, flashlight, boots, mask, airpack, pliers, Z-hook, thermal camera, gas meter, axe, halligan, sidearm.  WTF.

Sounds like someone didn't get the promotion to Fire Marshal they were wanting.

/Memphis took away their Fire Marshal's guns because one guy shot himself, and the other waved it in the face of a woman who was being nasty to him.


Yeah...not quite sure why you're taking a jab at me there.  What part of what I said made you think I want to have to worry about carrying a sidearm?  Besides, Fire Marshals where I live are not armed.
 
2012-12-24 10:36:34 AM

Scerpes: Machine guns are legal, though regulated.


vicneverman.files.wordpress.com

Ask what the penalty for not paying the tax is
 
2012-12-24 10:36:35 AM
Ya'll know there is a petition to deport the pantywaist Piers Morgan.
 
2012-12-24 10:36:45 AM

KarmicDisaster: I guess you've never been behind the wheel of a car.

We register cars and drivers and require licensing and theoretical testing and a practical test and full legal ID and insurance to drive one.


And I'm not opposed to doing the same with firearms, so long as you're willing to concede national concealed carry so that I can take my Glock from state to state, much like you can take your car.
 
2012-12-24 10:36:52 AM

WhippingBoy: Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.

There's a lot of colored boys and Messicans in the USA who are just waiting for the chance to break into the homes of real 'Murrucans in order to rape their white women, steal their bibles, and burn their American flags. To prevent this, it's necessary to own military grade weapons. It's just common sense.


I thought banning the dvil weed stopped all that?
 
2012-12-24 10:37:09 AM
What's next? Are they gonna shoot paramedics when they respond to areas where people have been shot? This country does need gun control. Like you wouldn't believe.
 
2012-12-24 10:37:18 AM

IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: Now all the bad people have to do is to keep shooting people and they'll take away all the good people's guns.   Ironic, and it works out for the bad people.

How much you wanna bet this was a legal gun? How do you explain that?

That it was a bad person.

So rather than making it more difficult for "bad people" to get a legal gun, you want to arm everyone so that more people are likely to die in these things?

Smart!

You are putting words in my mouth.  This discussion is pointless.  I'm just saying that the bad person is the fault of this new horror.

Yes he is, and it likely wouldn't be a new horror if the bad person didn't have access to a gun.

And bad people will have guns no matter what restrictions are put on the good people.


Then please explain why gun crimes in the UK went down something like 60 percent following the 1997 firearms act? Or why gun crimes in NYC now are so low that this month they went a day and a half with zero reported violent crime in the city, and that was the first time it had happened since the 1960s?
 
2012-12-24 10:37:22 AM

cretinbob: Scerpes: Machine guns are legal, though regulated.

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Ask what the penalty for not paying the tax is


Machine guns are legal. Period.
 
2012-12-24 10:37:25 AM

david_gaithersburg: I do believe your beginning to understand. Congrats!


Actually, I do believe you're oversimplifying the issue. The issue wasn't so much as a tyrannical government, it was a government controlled by a corporate monopoly, the biggest and richest in history, actually. The East India company.

In reality, you have them to thank for us existing as a nation. It was their political posturing and involvement that pushed the crown to make the tax policies it had.
 
2012-12-24 10:37:50 AM

snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

It's outdated, it's a holdover from a time before we had a National Guard and it's used as a blanket shield by a handful of corporations to flood our society with weapons simply for the sake of profit without a thought given to the damage that it's doing to our people and society as a whole.

The Constitution is not written in stone and not only 'can' it be changed, but it 'should' be changed to reflect a changing nation. And I think it's past time for us to retire this Amendment. Guns do not make us safer. They make us less safe, less secure and they're a detriment to the common good of the American people.

Enough.

If yur gonna change it, legalize RPGs and machine guns so we can keep up with the neighbors.
THAT was the intent of the Constitution, to arm the citizens with people killing weapons.
Huntin' squirrel hardly seems to be worth all the Constitutionalizing.

Shoot, why stop there? Tactical nuclear weapons are just another step up the ladder.

When the neighbors get 'em, yes.
Sorry to say, but, yes.


well, there 'are' rumors of ex-Soviet sleeper agents with suitcase nukes out there still. And terrorists with the makings of 'dirty' radiation bombs.

Are we 'really' going to wait for them to set one off before arming ourselves with equivalent weaponry? Clearly, we have to be preemptive in this and arm ourselves with nuclear weaponry first.

It's the American way.
 
2012-12-24 10:37:57 AM

ParaHandy: I thought banning the dvil weed stopped all that?


But...prohibition doesn't work!!!!
 
2012-12-24 10:38:06 AM

Thuull: Yeah...not quite sure why you're taking a jab at me there.  What part of what I said made you think I want to have to worry about carrying a sidearm?  Besides, Fire Marshals where I live are not armed.


Dude. Lighten up. It was a joke. :P

No jab intended!
 
2012-12-24 10:38:11 AM

cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: Now all the bad people have to do is to keep shooting people and they'll take away all the good people's guns.   Ironic, and it works out for the bad people.

How much you wanna bet this was a legal gun? How do you explain that?

That it was a bad person.

So rather than making it more difficult for "bad people" to get a legal gun, you want to arm everyone so that more people are likely to die in these things?

Smart!

You are putting words in my mouth.  This discussion is pointless.  I'm just saying that the bad person is the fault of this new horror.

Yes he is, and it likely wouldn't be a new horror if the bad person didn't have access to a gun.

And bad people will have guns no matter what restrictions are put on the good people.

Then please explain why gun crimes in the UK went down something like 60 percent following the 1997 firearms act? Or why gun crimes in NYC now are so low that this month they went a day and a half with zero reported violent crime in the city, and that was the first time it had happened since the 1960s?


Better street drugs.
 
2012-12-24 10:38:55 AM
BronyMedic: I agree. It's high time we turned from the wicked sinful choice of homosexuality, and back to Jesus H Christ, our lord and savior.


But the guns have always been there. Something has changed.

Care to wager about the shooter being a disaffected young white male?
 
2012-12-24 10:38:56 AM

snocone: BokerBill: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

What would a well regulated militia look like? 'Cause, with all these mass shootings it's apparent we need one.

Citizen, that is your job.
Git er dun.


Exactly: it's just the opposite of well regulated. Why does the NRA hate the second amendment?
 
2012-12-24 10:38:57 AM

david_gaithersburg: Our second amendment also serves to guarantee that the government will think twice


You could just say, "I need these things to shoot American soldiers."
If you were honest.
 
2012-12-24 10:39:20 AM
How is this even possible? Surely someone in Webster must have had a gun. By all logic, this should have never occurred.
 
2012-12-24 10:39:20 AM
all quiet in freeperland.
 
2012-12-24 10:39:27 AM

Scerpes: Machine guns are legal. Period.


Good luck getting one made after 1982 without being a Class III FFL Dealer and selling to Law Enforcement or select PMCs vetted for ownership of such weapons.3

There's a reason why LEGAL Machine Guns are rare on the civilian market, and why they cost more than your firstborn son will.
 
2012-12-24 10:39:39 AM

Scerpes: Infernalist: I guess you've never been behind the wheel of a car.

Cars are not designed to kill people.

Hmmm...and yet they kill more than guns. I guess that's just a sad byproduct.


yeah, actually, it is. Cars are designed for transportation and with safety in mind. People misuse them and people die as a result.

Handguns and assault rifles are designed solely with the intent to kill people. Not hunt. Not target practice. Not sport shooting. They are made with the intent to be used to kill people.

That's the difference.
 
2012-12-24 10:39:43 AM

Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

It's outdated, it's a holdover from a time before we had a National Guard and it's used as a blanket shield by a handful of corporations to flood our society with weapons simply for the sake of profit without a thought given to the damage that it's doing to our people and society as a whole.

The Constitution is not written in stone and not only 'can' it be changed, but it 'should' be changed to reflect a changing nation. And I think it's past time for us to retire this Amendment. Guns do not make us safer. They make us less safe, less secure and they're a detriment to the common good of the American people.

Enough.

If yur gonna change it, legalize RPGs and machine guns so we can keep up with the neighbors.
THAT was the intent of the Constitution, to arm the citizens with people killing weapons.
Huntin' squirrel hardly seems to be worth all the Constitutionalizing.

Shoot, why stop there? Tactical nuclear weapons are just another step up the ladder.

When the neighbors get 'em, yes.
Sorry to say, but, yes.

well, there 'are' rumors of ex-Soviet sleeper agents with suitcase nukes out there still. And terrorists with the makings of 'dirty' radiation bombs.

Are we 'really' going to wait for them to set one off before arming ourselves with equivalent weaponry? Clearly, we have to be preemptive in this and arm ourselves with nuclear weaponry first.

It's the American way.


No it is not.
We always let the bad guy shoot first.
And mebee, a lil' help.

Truth, Justice and The American Way
 
2012-12-24 10:40:26 AM

Scerpes: Waxing_Chewbacca: Scerpes: Waxing_Chewbacca: david_gaithersburg: Oh the outrage, how dare they make a sensible statement such as having city schools be patrolled by city police officers. That would call fro removing the police from the doughnut shops.

This was at a fire. Idiot. Take your 2nd amendment and jam it up your ass

What other civil rights do you hate?

Is there another which you the tools to kill with speed, efficiency and devastation?

I guess you've never been behind the wheel of a car.


Have there been a rash of incidents in which people use a car as a weapon? Driving them into crowds on purpose?
 
2012-12-24 10:40:58 AM

Infernalist: Hmmm...and yet they kill more than guns. I guess that's just a sad byproduct.

yeah, actually, it is. Cars are designed for transportation and with safety in mind. People misuse them and people die as a result.

Handguns and assault rifles are designed solely with the intent to kill people. Not hunt. Not target practice. Not sport shooting. They are made with the intent to be used to kill people.

That's the difference.


And some people need killing.
 
2012-12-24 10:41:12 AM
Btw, four firefighters shot, two have passed away, other two in guarded condition.

I lived on this road for 20 years. Never seen anything like this.

One gunman has been located.

Now the firefighters can go in and do their jobs and maybe save people homes for Xmas.
 
2012-12-24 10:41:15 AM

letrole: But the guns have always been there. Something has changed.

Care to wager about the shooter being a disaffected young white male?


Sir, you are ignoring the issue. Jesus Christ shot a man for disrespecting him. If our lord and savior can do it, why can't we?

fc05.deviantart.net
 
2012-12-24 10:41:35 AM

letrole: BronyMedic: I agree. It's high time we turned from the wicked sinful choice of homosexuality, and back to Jesus H Christ, our lord and savior.


But the guns have always been there. Something has changed.

Care to wager about the shooter being a disaffected young white male?


The media has changed.
They openly try to legislate from the Idiot Box.
I guess they see the judges doing their thing and want in on it.
 
2012-12-24 10:41:44 AM

Scerpes: Infernalist: I guess you've never been behind the wheel of a car.

Cars are not designed to kill people.

Hmmm...and yet they kill more than guns. I guess that's just a sad byproduct.


By 2014 they won't. Also, cars are heavily regulated. Imagine if they weren't.
 
2012-12-24 10:41:57 AM
Really, we need semi-automatic weapons to kill 6-year-olds. The tree of liberty demands such sacrifices of our children and their parents and brothers and sisters.. Such sacrifice from ones so small. It makes me well up with tears of patriotism, how brave the little ones were as they were sacrificed.
 
2012-12-24 10:41:59 AM

filter: Real Women Drink Akvavit: Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.

There's  a part in our constitution that guarantees our right to bear arms and maintain a militia and it seems a lot of people seem to think there should be no restrictions on any guns at all because of it - no training classes required, no test, buy semi-autos and automatic weapons if you want them - things like that. Which is stupid when you have such a cultural problem in your country with people mishandling guns or outright going on a killing  spree.

We also  apparently have more crazy people. When I lived in Norway for a brief time, where many are also avid hunters, there were no such problems. They recently had that one incident where a crazy rampage shooter, Anders Breivik,  killed over 80 people, but  other than  that, it's usually pretty calm over there, except for stabbings, but you are going to have a hard time taking out multiple targets with a knife very effectively. So I'm going to go with "Americans are crazy, though I am still  proud to be one, I am just sad about all of this". Especially since I am a gun owner myself. So is my sister, and we live in the same house.

/all guns are safely locked away when not in use, except one

Living in Norway now- high rate of gun ownership here--- zero handguns, cops unarmed, and citizens need to keep weapons in gun safes at home. C&C? Forget about it.

That all said, there much more stabbings around hear.


Who told you zero handguns? That's a lie. You absolutely can buy a handgun in Norway, you just have to be 21 and have no criminal record. Also, anyone who doesn't keep their guns in a safe at home  is an idiot. Everyone I know, myself included, has a gun safe because we're responsible gun owners.

Yeah, stabbings can be an issue there, but that can happen anywhere, at any time, gun or not. It is simply a matter of keeping your citizenry safe without taking away all of their guns or their kitchen cutlery. Just ask them to be responsible with the guns and please quit getting stabby on your friend just cuz your both drunk and angry.

I never felt the need for a C&C there (which  I have here in Cali, cuz I used to live in some shifty areas), because it's not an unsafe place. You're in more danger of hypothermia.
 
2012-12-24 10:42:02 AM
Im about half way through the book Columbine, pretty fascinating book. Most of what most people took away from that tragedy is a bunch of bull. I recommend the book for those that want a little insight into that nightmare. The guard at the school was armed and exchanged fire with the Columbine shooters. Additional police were on the scene very quickly, in only a matter of a few minutes. The chaos and uncertainty of the situation is what kept them from going into the school for nearly 45 minutes. Also.. the local cops engaged in a cover up.. Eric Harris had been reported to the police 15 times in the two years prior to the shooting. They had at one point drawn up a search warrant for his house because they had been told he was building pipe bombs. It was never executed.  Anyways.. check out the book it doesnt spend an inordinate amount of time on the gory details, and the rest of the story is intriguing.
 
2012-12-24 10:42:09 AM

FarkinFarker: God damnit what's wrong with people?


Not enough guns. We need to arm firefighters and mount Howitzers on every fire truck.
 
2012-12-24 10:42:18 AM
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2012-12-24 10:42:19 AM

snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

It's outdated, it's a holdover from a time before we had a National Guard and it's used as a blanket shield by a handful of corporations to flood our society with weapons simply for the sake of profit without a thought given to the damage that it's doing to our people and society as a whole.

The Constitution is not written in stone and not only 'can' it be changed, but it 'should' be changed to reflect a changing nation. And I think it's past time for us to retire this Amendment. Guns do not make us safer. They make us less safe, less secure and they're a detriment to the common good of the American people.

Enough.

If yur gonna change it, legalize RPGs and machine guns so we can keep up with the neighbors.
THAT was the intent of the Constitution, to arm the citizens with people killing weapons.
Huntin' squirrel hardly seems to be worth all the Constitutionalizing.

Shoot, why stop there? Tactical nuclear weapons are just another step up the ladder.

When the neighbors get 'em, yes.
Sorry to say, but, yes.

well, there 'are' rumors of ex-Soviet sleeper agents with suitcase nukes out there still. And terrorists with the makings of 'dirty' radiation bombs.

Are we 'really' going to wait for them to set one off before arming ourselves with equivalent weaponry? Clearly, we have to be preemptive in this and arm ourselves with nuclear weaponry first.

It's the American way.

No it is not.
We always let the bad guy shoot first.
And mebee, a lil' help.

Truth, Justice and The American Way


And look at all those deaths that come from waiting first! Just think of the children.

As a matter of fact, let's put up some snipers on the roofs of all schools, just in case. And arm the teachers. And the lunch ladies.

You know, fark it, let's just arm all the kids.
 
2012-12-24 10:42:35 AM

here to help: This is the country you wanted, gun drooling microdicked constitution manipulating derp farmers.

I hope the sane people stand up and shut shoot this sh*t down once and for all. Enough is enough.


Fixed
 
2012-12-24 10:42:54 AM

Scerpes: Infernalist: Hmmm...and yet they kill more than guns. I guess that's just a sad byproduct.

yeah, actually, it is. Cars are designed for transportation and with safety in mind. People misuse them and people die as a result.

Handguns and assault rifles are designed solely with the intent to kill people. Not hunt. Not target practice. Not sport shooting. They are made with the intent to be used to kill people.

That's the difference.

And some people need killing.


That's not for gun owners to decide.
 
2012-12-24 10:43:22 AM

Coastalgrl: Btw, four firefighters shot, two have passed away, other two in guarded condition.


Goddamnit so much.

www.storestoshop.com
 
2012-12-24 10:43:31 AM

Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

It's outdated, it's a holdover from a time before we had a National Guard and it's used as a blanket shield by a handful of corporations to flood our society with weapons simply for the sake of profit without a thought given to the damage that it's doing to our people and society as a whole.

The Constitution is not written in stone and not only 'can' it be changed, but it 'should' be changed to reflect a changing nation. And I think it's past time for us to retire this Amendment. Guns do not make us safer. They make us less safe, less secure and they're a detriment to the common good of the American people.

Enough.

If yur gonna change it, legalize RPGs and machine guns so we can keep up with the neighbors.
THAT was the intent of the Constitution, to arm the citizens with people killing weapons.
Huntin' squirrel hardly seems to be worth all the Constitutionalizing.

Shoot, why stop there? Tactical nuclear weapons are just another step up the ladder.

When the neighbors get 'em, yes.
Sorry to say, but, yes.

well, there 'are' rumors of ex-Soviet sleeper agents with suitcase nukes out there still. And terrorists with the makings of 'dirty' radiation bombs.

Are we 'really' going to wait for them to set one off before arming ourselves with equivalent weaponry? Clearly, we have to be preemptive in this and arm ourselves with nuclear weaponry first.

It's the American way.

No it is not.
We always let the bad guy shoot first.
And mebee, a lil' help.

Truth, Justice and The American Way

And look at all those deaths that come from waiting first! Just think of the children.

As a matter of fact, let's put up some snipers on the roofs of all schools, just in case. And arm the teachers. And the lunch ladies.

You know, fark it, let's just arm all the kids.


I taught my 3 daughters.
You?
 
2012-12-24 10:43:47 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Scerpes: Infernalist: I guess you've never been behind the wheel of a car.

Cars are not designed to kill people.

Hmmm...and yet they kill more than guns. I guess that's just a sad byproduct.

By 2014 they won't. Also, cars are heavily regulated. Imagine if they weren't.


If only you had to wait 14 days to buy a new car.
 
2012-12-24 10:44:09 AM

letrole: BronyMedic: I agree. It's high time we turned from the wicked sinful choice of homosexuality, and back to Jesus H Christ, our lord and savior.


But the guns have always been there. Something has changed.

Care to wager about the shooter being a disaffected young white male?


You're right. Mass shootings didn't really occur until automatic weapons were introduced.
 
2012-12-24 10:44:24 AM

snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

It's outdated, it's a holdover from a time before we had a National Guard and it's used as a blanket shield by a handful of corporations to flood our society with weapons simply for the sake of profit without a thought given to the damage that it's doing to our people and society as a whole.

The Constitution is not written in stone and not only 'can' it be changed, but it 'should' be changed to reflect a changing nation. And I think it's past time for us to retire this Amendment. Guns do not make us safer. They make us less safe, less secure and they're a detriment to the common good of the American people.

Enough.

If yur gonna change it, legalize RPGs and machine guns so we can keep up with the neighbors.
THAT was the intent of the Constitution, to arm the citizens with people killing weapons.
Huntin' squirrel hardly seems to be worth all the Constitutionalizing.

Shoot, why stop there? Tactical nuclear weapons are just another step up the ladder.

When the neighbors get 'em, yes.
Sorry to say, but, yes.

well, there 'are' rumors of ex-Soviet sleeper agents with suitcase nukes out there still. And terrorists with the makings of 'dirty' radiation bombs.

Are we 'really' going to wait for them to set one off before arming ourselves with equivalent weaponry? Clearly, we have to be preemptive in this and arm ourselves with nuclear weaponry first.

It's the American way.

No it is not.
We always let the bad guy shoot first.
And mebee, a lil' help.

Truth, Justice and The American Way

And look at all those deaths that come from waiting first! Just think of the children.

As a matter of fact, let's put up some snipers on the roofs of all schools, just in case. And arm the teachers. And the lunch ladies.

You know, fark it, let's just arm all the kids.

I taught my 3 daughters.
You?


At 6 years old?
 
2012-12-24 10:44:27 AM

Infernalist: And some people need killing.

That's not for gun owners to decide.


Depends on the person, and whether they're actively trying to cause a serious physical injury to myself or someone else.
 
2012-12-24 10:44:31 AM

rwfan: The NRA is not going to be happy until we are all living Mad Max
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you always need to be armed to the teeth when you are walking your dingo


He didn't have any bullets, you retard. You're point? Not made.
 
2012-12-24 10:44:59 AM

IronTom: And bad people will have guns no matter what restrictions are put on the good people.


Bad people will always find ways to do bad things. A society that's saturated with and desensitized to guns just makes it so much easier. And it's not just the bad people who are using them. Good people snap and if there are guns handy, they're liable to use them. The statistics on women shot by their domestic partners are appalling.

Trying to demonize the mentally ill and claim this is a problem with crazy people rather than guns is ignoring the real issue.
 
2012-12-24 10:45:11 AM
TeddyRooseveltsMustache What's next? Are they gonna shoot paramedics when they respond to areas where people have been shot? This country does need gun control. Like you wouldn't believe.


Oh, it's too late for that. There hasn't been a need for that sort of regulation before.

The libertines and the amoral have bleated for years, each time they set forth to tear down the established order: You cannot legislate morality.

That's absolutely true.
 
2012-12-24 10:45:25 AM

Scerpes: cameroncrazy1984: Scerpes: Infernalist: I guess you've never been behind the wheel of a car.

Cars are not designed to kill people.

Hmmm...and yet they kill more than guns. I guess that's just a sad byproduct.

By 2014 they won't. Also, cars are heavily regulated. Imagine if they weren't.

If only you had to wait 14 days to buy a new car.


In New York, currently you have to have your license for a year before you can use it at night.
 
2012-12-24 10:45:25 AM

Scerpes: Infernalist: And some people need killing.

That's not for gun owners to decide.

Depends on the person, and whether they're actively trying to cause a serious physical injury to myself or someone else.


I wonder if Lanza thought those kids needed killing, too. You wonder?
 
2012-12-24 10:45:35 AM
I actually came here to snark, but I can't. I'm too sad.
 
2012-12-24 10:45:46 AM

whatshisname: Trying to demonize the mentally ill and claim this is a problem with crazy people rather than guns is ignoring the real issue.


It's absolutely a problem with crazy people. We already prohibit them from buying guns for a reason. We just expect them to tell the truth when they fill out the form.
 
2012-12-24 10:45:50 AM

Infernalist: I wonder if Lanza thought those kids needed killing, too. You wonder?


He just didn't have to lead them as much.
 
2012-12-24 10:45:55 AM

Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

It's outdated, it's a holdover from a time before we had a National Guard and it's used as a blanket shield by a handful of corporations to flood our society with weapons simply for the sake of profit without a thought given to the damage that it's doing to our people and society as a whole.

The Constitution is not written in stone and not only 'can' it be changed, but it 'should' be changed to reflect a changing nation. And I think it's past time for us to retire this Amendment. Guns do not make us safer. They make us less safe, less secure and they're a detriment to the common good of the American people.

Enough.

If yur gonna change it, legalize RPGs and machine guns so we can keep up with the neighbors.
THAT was the intent of the Constitution, to arm the citizens with people killing weapons.
Huntin' squirrel hardly seems to be worth all the Constitutionalizing.

Shoot, why stop there? Tactical nuclear weapons are just another step up the ladder.

When the neighbors get 'em, yes.
Sorry to say, but, yes.

well, there 'are' rumors of ex-Soviet sleeper agents with suitcase nukes out there still. And terrorists with the makings of 'dirty' radiation bombs.

Are we 'really' going to wait for them to set one off before arming ourselves with equivalent weaponry? Clearly, we have to be preemptive in this and arm ourselves with nuclear weaponry first.

It's the American way.

No it is not.
We always let the bad guy shoot first.
And mebee, a lil' help.

Truth, Justice and The American Way

And look at all those deaths that come from waiting first! Just think of the children.

As a matter of fact, let's put up some snipers on the roofs of all schools, just in case. And arm the teachers. And the lunch ladies.

You know, fark it, let's just arm all the kids.

I taught my 3 daughters.
Yo ...


Good age for BB gun training. Maybe a year late, but OK.
They all built Nathan's Knife and know how to carve a turkey.
 
2012-12-24 10:46:02 AM

Scerpes: KarmicDisaster: I guess you've never been behind the wheel of a car.

We register cars and drivers and require licensing and theoretical testing and a practical test and full legal ID and insurance to drive one.

And I'm not opposed to doing the same with firearms, so long as you're willing to concede national concealed carry so that I can take my Glock from state to state, much like you can take your car.


I'd be for that, as long as the requirements are as strict as for driving a car, not a total joke as they are now in Wisconsin. One thing that I didn't mention is that the registered owner of a car is responsible for crimes committed with the car.  If your car goes through a red light camera, the registered owner gets the ticket for example.  Registration. Full  real legal USA ID to qualify. Required insurance with standards that cover typical claims. Theoretical multiple choice test. Practical shootin test with required range time. Instructor standards and qualifications.  (I'm thinking of the requirements in Texas for CCW as a model, they have a pretty good program). Registration renews every year like a car. Fee based, like vehicle registrations, so the states can make some money back on it.  Gas for cars is taxed by the states, and they should be able to tax ammo for guns likewise to cover costs.  I'm all for it.
 
2012-12-24 10:46:19 AM

BronyMedic: Thuull: Yeah...not quite sure why you're taking a jab at me there.  What part of what I said made you think I want to have to worry about carrying a sidearm?  Besides, Fire Marshals where I live are not armed.

Dude. Lighten up. It was a joke. :P

No jab intended!


Fair 'nuff...this kinda has me in a bad mood, so my sarcasm detector is completely fubar today.  Apologies for taking offense.
 
2012-12-24 10:46:46 AM

Mentalpatient87: Mimic_Octopus: for when the US govt ends up like the british one we threw off a few years ago.

Hah! You'll sit fat and content in your easy chair while it happens. You won't even notice, unless they take something from you during a commercial break...


When? It's already a corrupt oligarchy. Billionaires pay half the tax rate a family doctor or small business owner does. The federal government pays taxes to GE. Despite record prices and profits, the government subsidises Exxon. Minimum wage is half the poverty level in Europe. The income and wealth of the 0.1% has tripled in the last 10 years, while the middle class has stagnated and the poor have gotten poorer.

Welcome to feudalism 21st century style.
 
2012-12-24 10:46:53 AM

Thuull: Fair 'nuff...this kinda has me in a bad mood, so my sarcasm detector is completely fubar today.  Apologies for taking offense.


I've got to crack jokes. Otherwise I'm going to go cry myself to sleep because a fellow firefighter has just died.
 
2012-12-24 10:47:08 AM

snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

It's outdated, it's a holdover from a time before we had a National Guard and it's used as a blanket shield by a handful of corporations to flood our society with weapons simply for the sake of profit without a thought given to the damage that it's doing to our people and society as a whole.

The Constitution is not written in stone and not only 'can' it be changed, but it 'should' be changed to reflect a changing nation. And I think it's past time for us to retire this Amendment. Guns do not make us safer. They make us less safe, less secure and they're a detriment to the common good of the American people.

Enough.

If yur gonna change it, legalize RPGs and machine guns so we can keep up with the neighbors.
THAT was the intent of the Constitution, to arm the citizens with people killing weapons.
Huntin' squirrel hardly seems to be worth all the Constitutionalizing.

Shoot, why stop there? Tactical nuclear weapons are just another step up the ladder.

When the neighbors get 'em, yes.
Sorry to say, but, yes.

well, there 'are' rumors of ex-Soviet sleeper agents with suitcase nukes out there still. And terrorists with the makings of 'dirty' radiation bombs.

Are we 'really' going to wait for them to set one off before arming ourselves with equivalent weaponry? Clearly, we have to be preemptive in this and arm ourselves with nuclear weaponry first.

It's the American way.

No it is not.
We always let the bad guy shoot first.
And mebee, a lil' help.

Truth, Justice and The American Way

And look at all those deaths that come from waiting first! Just think of the children.

As a matter of fact, let's put up some snipers on the roofs of all schools, just in case. And arm the teachers. And the lunch ladies.

You know, fark it, let's just arm all the kids.

I taught my 3 ...


Well, when Lanza v2.0 shows up, maybe one of your darling little bb-trained daughters will use her knife skills to stop him.
 
2012-12-24 10:47:08 AM

LikeALeafOnTheWind: Im about half way through the book Columbine, pretty fascinating book. Most of what most people took away from that tragedy is a bunch of bull. I recommend the book for those that want a little insight into that nightmare. The guard at the school was armed and exchanged fire with the Columbine shooters. Additional police were on the scene very quickly, in only a matter of a few minutes. The chaos and uncertainty of the situation is what kept them from going into the school for nearly 45 minutes. Also.. the local cops engaged in a cover up.. Eric Harris had been reported to the police 15 times in the two years prior to the shooting. They had at one point drawn up a search warrant for his house because they had been told he was building pipe bombs. It was never executed.  Anyways.. check out the book it doesnt spend an inordinate amount of time on the gory details, and the rest of the story is intriguing.


Did they ever say why the police didn't execute the search warrant?
 
2012-12-24 10:47:32 AM

Infernalist: Depends on the person, and whether they're actively trying to cause a serious physical injury to myself or someone else.

I wonder if Lanza thought those kids needed killing, too. You wonder?


And that would be a great reason to keep crazy people and people who make weapons available to crazy people from buying firearms. It sure would be nice to be able to have a database to check to see if someone is mentally ill, like we can do with felons.
 
2012-12-24 10:47:36 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: david_gaithersburg: Our second amendment also serves to guarantee that the government will think twice

You could just say, "I need these things to shoot American soldiers."
If you were honest.


.
Duh! Who knows what tomorrow will bring. just ask the people of Libya, Algeria, Egypt, etc. Do you know the future, and if so, may I have tomorrow's lottery numbers?
 
2012-12-24 10:47:38 AM
So if this fire was set by an arsonist should we ban matches, lighters or flammable liquids?
 
2012-12-24 10:47:46 AM

letrole: The libertines and the amoral have bleated for years, each time they set forth to tear down the established order: You cannot legislate morality.


Oh man, this might be some of your best trolling yet. Alright, if you can't legislate morality, why the 10 commandments?
 
2012-12-24 10:47:47 AM

Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

It's outdated, it's a holdover from a time before we had a National Guard and it's used as a blanket shield by a handful of corporations to flood our society with weapons simply for the sake of profit without a thought given to the damage that it's doing to our people and society as a whole.

The Constitution is not written in stone and not only 'can' it be changed, but it 'should' be changed to reflect a changing nation. And I think it's past time for us to retire this Amendment. Guns do not make us safer. They make us less safe, less secure and they're a detriment to the common good of the American people.

Enough.

If yur gonna change it, legalize RPGs and machine guns so we can keep up with the neighbors.
THAT was the intent of the Constitution, to arm the citizens with people killing weapons.
Huntin' squirrel hardly seems to be worth all the Constitutionalizing.

Shoot, why stop there? Tactical nuclear weapons are just another step up the ladder.

When the neighbors get 'em, yes.
Sorry to say, but, yes.

well, there 'are' rumors of ex-Soviet sleeper agents with suitcase nukes out there still. And terrorists with the makings of 'dirty' radiation bombs.

Are we 'really' going to wait for them to set one off before arming ourselves with equivalent weaponry? Clearly, we have to be preemptive in this and arm ourselves with nuclear weaponry first.

It's the American way.

No it is not.
We always let the bad guy shoot first.
And mebee, a lil' help.

Truth, Justice and The American Way

And look at all those deaths that come from waiting first! Just think of the children.

As a matter of fact, let's put up some snipers on the roofs of all schools, just in case. And arm the teachers. And the lunch ladies.

You know, fark it, let's just arm all the kids.

I taught my 3 daughters.
You?

At 6 years old?


I started to learn how to shoot at 5. Your point?
 
2012-12-24 10:48:13 AM
If everyone was on fire this wouldn't have happened.
 
2012-12-24 10:48:31 AM

Fapinator: [img689.imageshack.us image 729x600]

Too soon?


Been looking all over for that game. Walmart says wont have it before Valentines.
 
2012-12-24 10:48:43 AM
So if the future, when firefighters, paramedics, and police are hesitant to secure a school, or put out a fire, or respond to a 911 call because they first need to ensure that no one will shoot them, will the NRA pick up the slack and serve as first responders?

/no need to respond... everyone knows what the answer is...
 
2012-12-24 10:48:53 AM
Saw this on Hill Street Blues. Everything turns out OK in the end.
 
2012-12-24 10:49:01 AM

Scerpes: Infernalist: Depends on the person, and whether they're actively trying to cause a serious physical injury to myself or someone else.

I wonder if Lanza thought those kids needed killing, too. You wonder?

And that would be a great reason to keep crazy people and people who make weapons available to crazy people from buying firearms. It sure would be nice to be able to have a database to check to see if someone is mentally ill, like we can do with felons.


Lanza didn't buy his guns. He stole them. Are you suggesting that we violate the civil rights of a potential gun owner because he has a son with autism? I'm shocked at you, sirrah. Shocked, I say.
 
2012-12-24 10:49:10 AM

Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.



You really work at the stupid, eh?
 
2012-12-24 10:49:13 AM
I always thought it was war when you keep sending in more people with guns.

I guess that's pretty American though, after multiple wars waged against it's own citizens, the citizens of other nations, and differing social classes, perhaps war has just become a free-for-all.

I expect shoot-outs to once again become commonplace in city streets.

It'll be just like the 'Ol West, by gum.
 
2012-12-24 10:49:13 AM

cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: Now all the bad people have to do is to keep shooting people and they'll take away all the good people's guns.   Ironic, and it works out for the bad people.

How much you wanna bet this was a legal gun? How do you explain that?

That it was a bad person.

So rather than making it more difficult for "bad people" to get a legal gun, you want to arm everyone so that more people are likely to die in these things?

Smart!

You are putting words in my mouth.  This discussion is pointless.  I'm just saying that the bad person is the fault of this new horror.

Yes he is, and it likely wouldn't be a new horror if the bad person didn't have access to a gun.

And bad people will have guns no matter what restrictions are put on the good people.

Then please explain why gun crimes in the UK went down something like 60 percent following the 1997 firearms act? Or why gun crimes in NYC now are so low that this month they went a day and a half with zero reported violent crime in the city, and that was the first time it had happened since the 1960s?


or Detroit and Chicago.
 
2012-12-24 10:49:20 AM
cameroncrazy1984: You're right. Mass shootings didn't really occur until automatic weapons were introduced.

But these shooters aren't using automatic weapons.

But these shooters aren't using automatic weapons.

But these shooters aren't using automatic weapons.

But these shooters aren't using automatic weapons.

But these shooters aren't using automatic weapons.

But these shooters aren't using automatic weapons.
 
2012-12-24 10:49:53 AM

Clemkadidlefark: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 360x270]


Actually, comparing guns to cars, knives, bats and ping pong is a "special kind of stupid".  As is the belief that the answer to gun problems is more guns instead of less guns, EVEN IF bad guys manage to get ahold of some guns.  Most of these mass shootings have been with legally purchased weapons.  All your "special kind of stupid" is doing is reducing the resistance to these massacres.
 
2012-12-24 10:50:23 AM

Kit Fister: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

It's outdated, it's a holdover from a time before we had a National Guard and it's used as a blanket shield by a handful of corporations to flood our society with weapons simply for the sake of profit without a thought given to the damage that it's doing to our people and society as a whole.

The Constitution is not written in stone and not only 'can' it be changed, but it 'should' be changed to reflect a changing nation. And I think it's past time for us to retire this Amendment. Guns do not make us safer. They make us less safe, less secure and they're a detriment to the common good of the American people.

Enough.

If yur gonna change it, legalize RPGs and machine guns so we can keep up with the neighbors.
THAT was the intent of the Constitution, to arm the citizens with people killing weapons.
Huntin' squirrel hardly seems to be worth all the Constitutionalizing.

Shoot, why stop there? Tactical nuclear weapons are just another step up the ladder.

When the neighbors get 'em, yes.
Sorry to say, but, yes.

well, there 'are' rumors of ex-Soviet sleeper agents with suitcase nukes out there still. And terrorists with the makings of 'dirty' radiation bombs.

Are we 'really' going to wait for them to set one off before arming ourselves with equivalent weaponry? Clearly, we have to be preemptive in this and arm ourselves with nuclear weaponry first.

It's the American way.

No it is not.
We always let the bad guy shoot first.
And mebee, a lil' help.

Truth, Justice and The American Way

And look at all those deaths that come from waiting first! Just think of the children.

As a matter of fact, let's put up some snipers on the roofs of all schools, just in case. And arm the teachers. And the lunch ladies.

You know, fark it, let's just arm all the kids.

I taught my 3 ...


Did you bring a gun to school for protection? No? Then I guess your training would have been pointless if Lanza had shown up at your own school at the wonderful age of 5.
 
2012-12-24 10:50:32 AM

chuckufarlie: WhippingBoy: The surprising thing is that Americans still seem to be surprised by this. The rest of the world is wondering why this even rates as news any more.

You Americans need to get one of those "America: 2 days since last mass shooting" signs.

more like "America: 2 hours since last mass shooting"


more like "America: negative 2 seconds since last mass shooting"

/amirite
//did i hyperbole enough
 
2012-12-24 10:50:39 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: david_gaithersburg: Our second amendment also serves to guarantee that the government will think twice

You could just say, "I need these things to shoot American soldiers."
If you were honest.


.
Also, educate yourself and take a looksy at the oath taken by our military officers. They do not pledge to protect the government, they do not pledge to protect the president, they pledge to protect We The People and The Constitution. There is a very good reason the oath is written the way it is. 240 years ago our former army took a very different oath.
 
2012-12-24 10:50:43 AM

KarmicDisaster: One thing that I didn't mention is that the registered owner of a car is responsible for crimes committed with the car.  If your car goes through a red light camera, the registered owner gets the ticket for example.


If you loan your car to Dave and he gets drunk and kills three people, they don't lock you up. We can have a debate about whether they should, but they currently don't. Most of the red light camera laws have provisions for the owner to swear out an affidavit identifying someone else as driving the car.

I'm not saying that there shouldn't be repercussions for providing a weapon to a crazy person or a felon. There certainly should. That's not the same as the strict liability some want for anyone who gives a gun to someone else who ultimately uses it to commit a crime.
 
2012-12-24 10:50:58 AM

snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.


You really work at the stupid, eh?


lol insult. You got anything else?
 
2012-12-24 10:51:41 AM
 
2012-12-24 10:51:51 AM

Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.


You really work at the stupid, eh?

lol insult. You got anything else?


Question, not insult.
Read a lot?
 
2012-12-24 10:51:54 AM
A Christmas Eve flamewar.  Who needs a yule log?
 
2012-12-24 10:52:05 AM

Infernalist: Lanza didn't buy his guns. He stole them. Are you suggesting that we violate the civil rights of a potential gun owner because he has a son with autism? I'm shocked at you, sirrah. Shocked, I sa


He didn't steal them. They were in his mother's house. His mother taught him how to use them.
 
2012-12-24 10:52:18 AM

Infernalist: Scerpes: Infernalist: Depends on the person, and whether they're actively trying to cause a serious physical injury to myself or someone else.

I wonder if Lanza thought those kids needed killing, too. You wonder?

And that would be a great reason to keep crazy people and people who make weapons available to crazy people from buying firearms. It sure would be nice to be able to have a database to check to see if someone is mentally ill, like we can do with felons.

Lanza didn't buy his guns. He stole them. Are you suggesting that we violate the civil rights of a potential gun owner because he has a son with autism? I'm shocked at you, sirrah. Shocked, I say.


Lanza apparently tried buying guns and was denied because he's crazy. And yes. I think we need to start taking into account who lives in the household with the potential gun owner. Currently, if you have a felon living in your house and he has access to your firearms, he just committed another felony and he's going to prison.
 
2012-12-24 10:52:19 AM
cameroncrazy1984: Oh man, this might be some of your best trolling yet. Alright, if you can't legislate morality, why the 10 commandments?

Because the ten commandments aren't legislation, you miserable farktard.
 
2012-12-24 10:52:25 AM

unpainted huffhines: Relevant.


Perfect! We currently have 12 million folks unemployed in the US. We can make them all federal agents to keep this country safe.
 
2012-12-24 10:52:27 AM

LikeALeafOnTheWind: Im about half way through the book Columbine, pretty fascinating book. Most of what most people took away from that tragedy is a bunch of bull. I recommend the book for those that want a little insight into that nightmare. The guard at the school was armed and exchanged fire with the Columbine shooters. Additional police were on the scene very quickly, in only a matter of a few minutes. The chaos and uncertainty of the situation is what kept them from going into the school for nearly 45 minutes. Also.. the local cops engaged in a cover up.. Eric Harris had been reported to the police 15 times in the two years prior to the shooting. They had at one point drawn up a search warrant for his house because they had been told he was building pipe bombs. It was never executed.  Anyways.. check out the book it doesnt spend an inordinate amount of time on the gory details, and the rest of the story is intriguing.


Stop clouding the issue with facts and logic. ;-)

It's much easier to penalize the population while the illogical emotional frenzy is in full force.
 
2012-12-24 10:52:36 AM

Infernalist: Lanza didn't buy his guns. He stole them.


Has that been established. His mother could have lent her guns to him.
"Mom, can I borrow the guns tonight?"
"Sure honey, just have them back by 9 PM"
 
2012-12-24 10:52:38 AM

Scerpes: Infernalist: And some people need killing.

That's not for gun owners to decide.

Depends on the person, and whether they're actively trying to cause a serious physical injury to myself or someone else.


And compare the frequency of those events to the time spent in a car per person across the country.  Comparing accidental deaths during TRANSPORTATION to intentional use of a gun to harm people is the height of dishonesty and irresponsibility.

I really question the sanity and intelligence of anyone who SERIOUSLY believes such things, and I question the character of anyone who propagates such bullshiat knowingly.
 
2012-12-24 10:52:48 AM

Scerpes: KarmicDisaster: One thing that I didn't mention is that the registered owner of a car is responsible for crimes committed with the car.  If your car goes through a red light camera, the registered owner gets the ticket for example.

If you loan your car to Dave and he gets drunk and kills three people, they don't lock you up. We can have a debate about whether they should, but they currently don't. Most of the red light camera laws have provisions for the owner to swear out an affidavit identifying someone else as driving the car.

I'm not saying that there shouldn't be repercussions for providing a weapon to a crazy person or a felon. There certainly should. That's not the same as the strict liability some want for anyone who gives a gun to someone else who ultimately uses it to commit a crime.


Cars Aren't Designed To Kill People. They're Not The Same As Guns.

farkin loon.
 
2012-12-24 10:53:03 AM

Infernalist: Scerpes: Infernalist: Depends on the person, and whether they're actively trying to cause a serious physical injury to myself or someone else.

I wonder if Lanza thought those kids needed killing, too. You wonder?

And that would be a great reason to keep crazy people and people who make weapons available to crazy people from buying firearms. It sure would be nice to be able to have a database to check to see if someone is mentally ill, like we can do with felons.

Lanza didn't buy his guns. He stole them. Are you suggesting that we violate the civil rights of a potential gun owner because he has a son with autism? I'm shocked at you, sirrah. Shocked, I say.


Well in a lot of states if you are a legal owner of a firearm, and you will be breaking the law if you let a felon who is not supposed to be around guns live in the house where you keep your guns. Should be the same if a person living in your house has a mental issue and has been deemed potentially dangerous, you should have to remove your guns from the house if you want that person to live there or have unsupervised access to the house.
 
2012-12-24 10:53:30 AM

snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.


You really work at the stupid, eh?

lol insult. You got anything else?

Question, not insult.
Read a lot?


That's all you got? Another insult? Why not address the post? Or can you not?
 
2012-12-24 10:53:34 AM

Infernalist: Lanza didn't buy his guns. He stole them. Are you suggesting that we violate the civil rights of a potential gun owner because he has a son with autism? I'm shocked at you, sirrah. Shocked, I say.


And frankly, if Nancy Lanza was still alive, she should be held criminally liable for providing firearms and firearms training to an individual she new to be dangerous. She was warning the babysitter not to turn her back on him when he was 5 years old. Then, she taught him to use firearms. That's a problem.
 
2012-12-24 10:53:35 AM

IronTom: or Detroit and Chicago.


See, the difference there is that the NYC gun ban has, you know, actual repercussions and teeth. The other two don't. But it's interesting that you have no idea why NYC gun crime has gone down.
 
2012-12-24 10:53:35 AM
You build it, they will come
 
2012-12-24 10:54:18 AM

ongbok: Infernalist: Scerpes: Infernalist: Depends on the person, and whether they're actively trying to cause a serious physical injury to myself or someone else.

I wonder if Lanza thought those kids needed killing, too. You wonder?

And that would be a great reason to keep crazy people and people who make weapons available to crazy people from buying firearms. It sure would be nice to be able to have a database to check to see if someone is mentally ill, like we can do with felons.

Lanza didn't buy his guns. He stole them. Are you suggesting that we violate the civil rights of a potential gun owner because he has a son with autism? I'm shocked at you, sirrah. Shocked, I say.

Well in a lot of states if you are a legal owner of a firearm, and you will be breaking the law if you let a felon who is not supposed to be around guns live in the house where you keep your guns. Should be the same if a person living in your house has a mental issue and has been deemed potentially dangerous, you should have to remove your guns from the house if you want that person to live there or have unsupervised access to the house.


My goodness, that makes sense. Why isn't that the law now?

Oh right. NRA.

lol
 
2012-12-24 10:54:25 AM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Not the first time first responders have been targeted.


Where I come from, you expect to get shot at. Avoiding getting shot is part of the job.
 
2012-12-24 10:55:01 AM

letrole: cameroncrazy1984: Oh man, this might be some of your best trolling yet. Alright, if you can't legislate morality, why the 10 commandments?

Because the ten commandments aren't legislation, you miserable farktard.


Aw, is the troll getting angry? Then why are they called "laws"?
 
2012-12-24 10:55:02 AM

david_gaithersburg: Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.

.
As human beings we believe ourselves to have certain basic human rights that are inalienable, and have provided that those basic human rights shall never be infringed upon by the government. One of those rights is the basic right to protect one's self from anything, including an out of control government. Our second amendment also serves to guarantee that the government will think twice before attempting to infringe upon any of the other basic human rights enshrined in the first ten amendments to our constitution.

240 years ago we had a standing army, and the best trained army in the world too. Our government became tyrannical and out of control, we took up arms and formed local militias to stand up against the biggest and best trained army and navy on the planet. That newly formed US government began to erode during the FDR administration and it is still slowly dissolving today.


A bunch of armed rednecks is not a guarantee of anything. You sure as hell could not stand up the the real military. You want to believe it because it gives your pathetic life some meaning.

You need to do some research on the American Revolution. The local militia did not win the war, It was a standing army that had been trained to fight in the European style. The militia was not reliable in battle. They were known to fire one round and then run away.

Also, what we see as the American Revolution was just part of a larger war that the British were fighting against the French.

The British did not lose the Revolution in America as much as they got tired of the conflict. Lots of your redneck buddies seem to think that you could win your war against the US government in the same way, that the govt. would get tired of the war and go home. You overlook the fact that they would already be at home, fighting an enemy that the majority would see as an enemy of the nation.
 
2012-12-24 10:55:22 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Infernalist: Lanza didn't buy his guns. He stole them. Are you suggesting that we violate the civil rights of a potential gun owner because he has a son with autism? I'm shocked at you, sirrah. Shocked, I sa

He didn't steal them. They were in his mother's house. His mother taught him how to use them.


You dont realize how dumb that line is. That's a shame.
 
2012-12-24 10:56:02 AM
Why would anyone need this many matches in a single box!??
www.readydepot.com
 
2012-12-24 10:56:20 AM

Scerpes: KarmicDisaster: One thing that I didn't mention is that the registered owner of a car is responsible for crimes committed with the car.  If your car goes through a red light camera, the registered owner gets the ticket for example.

If you loan your car to Dave and he gets drunk and kills three people, they don't lock you up. We can have a debate about whether they should, but they currently don't. Most of the red light camera laws have provisions for the owner to swear out an affidavit identifying someone else as driving the car.

I'm not saying that there shouldn't be repercussions for providing a weapon to a crazy person or a felon. There certainly should. That's not the same as the strict liability some want for anyone who gives a gun to someone else who ultimately uses it to commit a crime.


No, of course not. If you report it stolen, or someone steals it and you don't know, not your problem. It would be the same with guns. But if you lend them your car/gun then you share responsibility as a participant in the crime.  Many states already have a "if kids get hold of your unlocked gun it's your fault" law, that is what I was thinking of.  Guns should be licensed and regulated exactly like cars in almost all respects, which aren't even weapons we are told.
 
2012-12-24 10:56:21 AM

Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.


You really work at the stupid, eh?

lol insult. You got anything else?

Question, not insult.
Read a lot?

That's all you got? Another insult? Why not address the post? Or can you not?


Maybe if I put it in braille???
 
2012-12-24 10:56:32 AM

Kubo: I hate this.


How nice for you.
 
2012-12-24 10:56:53 AM

Scerpes: Infernalist: Lanza didn't buy his guns. He stole them. Are you suggesting that we violate the civil rights of a potential gun owner because he has a son with autism? I'm shocked at you, sirrah. Shocked, I say.

And frankly, if Nancy Lanza was still alive, she should be held criminally liable for providing firearms and firearms training to an individual she new to be dangerous. She was warning the babysitter not to turn her back on him when he was 5 years old. Then, she taught him to use firearms. That's a problem.


that would show her!!

Oh wait, she is dead. Go put your law book away.
 
2012-12-24 10:57:14 AM

snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.


You really work at the stupid, eh?

lol insult. You got anything else?

Question, not insult.
Read a lot?

That's all you got? Another insult? Why not address the post? Or can you not?

Maybe if I put it in braille???


Got nothing to contribute, huh? Okay.
 
2012-12-24 10:57:48 AM
Since no one else here has the guts, I'm just going to say it.

They have it coming.

Driving around like lunatics in their gigantic, pimped out rides. Blinding everyone with their vehicle-bling. Honking and blaring their "weee-oooo" music at all hours of the night, driving like they own the road. Parking wherever the hell they feel like it, and wearing suspenders well after they fell from fashion.

There's only so much people will put up with before they react.
 
2012-12-24 10:57:59 AM

Mrbogey: cameroncrazy1984: Infernalist: Lanza didn't buy his guns. He stole them. Are you suggesting that we violate the civil rights of a potential gun owner because he has a son with autism? I'm shocked at you, sirrah. Shocked, I sa

He didn't steal them. They were in his mother's house. His mother taught him how to use them.

You dont realize how dumb that line is. That's a shame.


You don't know that when you call other people dumb, you should probably use contractions properly.
 
2012-12-24 10:58:18 AM

chuckufarlie: david_gaithersburg: Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.

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As human beings we believe ourselves to have certain basic human rights that are inalienable, and have provided that those basic human rights shall never be infringed upon by the government. One of those rights is the basic right to protect one's self from anything, including an out of control government. Our second amendment also serves to guarantee that the government will think twice before attempting to infringe upon any of the other basic human rights enshrined in the first ten amendments to our constitution.

240 years ago we had a standing army, and the best trained army in the world too. Our government became tyrannical and out of control, we took up arms and formed local militias to stand up against the biggest and best trained army and navy on the planet. That newly formed US government began to erode during the FDR administration and it is still slowly dissolving today.

A bunch of armed rednecks is not a guarantee of anything. You sure as hell could not stand up the the real military. You want to believe it because it gives your pathetic life some meaning.

You need to do some research on the American Revolution. The local militia did not win the war, It was a standing army that had been trained to fight in the European style. The militia was not reliable in battle. They were known to fire one round and then run away.

Also, what we see as the American Revolution was just part of a larger war that the British were fighting against the French.

The British did not lose the Revolution in America as much as they got tired of the conflict. Lots of your redneck buddies seem to think that you could win your war against the US government in the same way, that the govt. would get tired of ...


Hey everyone - it's this guy again. He's kind of worthless.

But amusing. Has he started up with the MADD-like posts trying to shame you with emotions yet?
 
2012-12-24 10:58:23 AM

Mimic_Octopus: Infernalist: t actually happene

oh, well. ours then. you are familiar with how troops were raised from up and down the eastern seaboard and frontier for the revolution, no ?


Did you or i have a stroke? You can't seem to use the quote button right...
 
2012-12-24 10:58:37 AM

chuckufarlie: david_gaithersburg: Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.

.
As human beings we believe ourselves to have certain basic human rights that are inalienable, and have provided that those basic human rights shall never be infringed upon by the government. One of those rights is the basic right to protect one's self from anything, including an out of control government. Our second amendment also serves to guarantee that the government will think twice before attempting to infringe upon any of the other basic human rights enshrined in the first ten amendments to our constitution.

240 years ago we had a standing army, and the best trained army in the world too. Our government became tyrannical and out of control, we took up arms and formed local militias to stand up against the biggest and best trained army and navy on the planet. That newly formed US government began to erode during the FDR administration and it is still slowly dissolving today.

A bunch of armed rednecks is not a guarantee of anything. You sure as hell could not stand up the the real military. You want to believe it because it gives your pathetic life some meaning.

You need to do some research on the American Revolution. The local militia did not win the war, It was a standing army that had been trained to fight in the European style. The militia was not reliable in battle. They were known to fire one round and then run away.

Also, what we see as the American Revolution was just part of a larger war that the British were fighting against the French.

The British did not lose the Revolution in America as much as they got tired of the conflict. Lots of your redneck buddies seem to think that you could win your war against the US government in the same way, that the govt. would get tired of ...


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Ok, you're right. Good thing your weren't around to advise they Libyan's, Algerians, etc.. They were foolish to stand up to all of those modern military weapons.
 
2012-12-24 10:58:44 AM
So four shot, two dead. Just farking fantastic.
 
2012-12-24 10:58:48 AM

tonguedepressor: Why would anyone need this many matches in a single box!??
[www.readydepot.com image 250x234]


encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

Are you trying to be the stupidest person on the internet?
 
2012-12-24 10:58:51 AM

tonguedepressor: Why would anyone need this many matches in a single box!??
[www.readydepot.com image 250x234]


Kitchen matches? To light the stove.
 
2012-12-24 10:58:53 AM

ongbok: Infernalist: Scerpes: Infernalist: Depends on the person, and whether they're actively trying to cause a serious physical injury to myself or someone else.

I wonder if Lanza thought those kids needed killing, too. You wonder?

And that would be a great reason to keep crazy people and people who make weapons available to crazy people from buying firearms. It sure would be nice to be able to have a database to check to see if someone is mentally ill, like we can do with felons.

Lanza didn't buy his guns. He stole them. Are you suggesting that we violate the civil rights of a potential gun owner because he has a son with autism? I'm shocked at you, sirrah. Shocked, I say.

Well in a lot of states if you are a legal owner of a firearm, and you will be breaking the law if you let a felon who is not supposed to be around guns live in the house where you keep your guns. Should be the same if a person living in your house has a mental issue and has been deemed potentially dangerous, you should have to remove your guns from the house if you want that person to live there or have unsupervised access to the house.


I don't know how old the kid was, but a lot of states already have strict laws about not allowing children access to guns.
 
2012-12-24 10:59:05 AM

chuckufarlie: The British did not lose the Revolution in America as much as they got tired of the conflict. Lots of your redneck buddies seem to think that you could win your war against the US government in the same way, that the govt. would get tired of the war and go home. You overlook the fact that they would already be at home, fighting an enemy that the majority would see as an enemy of the nation.


No way man. Cletus and Zeke could totally take out a Nimitz class aircraft carrier if they had enough guns and ammunition. Why just last year Zeke was named NRA's "cool shot" of the year by the Bumfark, Georgia chapter of the NRA.
 
2012-12-24 11:00:05 AM
Meh.

Probably just another autist crazy on the loose.

There will continue to be lots of them until they are locked up.
 
2012-12-24 11:00:09 AM

tonguedepressor: Why would anyone need this many matches in a single box!??
[www.readydepot.com image 250x234]


I use to have a bad habit of setting garbage cans on fire when very upset. Having been raised by Norwegians, I was taught manners, so I would politely remove them from any structures first. So yes, I need those many matches, just in case I go back to my arsonist ways.
 
2012-12-24 11:00:26 AM

Mimic_Octopus: we need the military grade weapons (which a semi-auto rifle is not) for when the US govt ends up like the british one we threw off a few years ago. do you think history stops because you are here right now ?


The government has Apache helicopters and Reaper drones, well armed with hellfire missiles. If they really, really want to come for you, they will, and your AR-15/AK-47/Glock won't change that.
 
2012-12-24 11:00:33 AM

cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: or Detroit and Chicago.

See, the difference there is that the NYC gun ban has, you know, actual repercussions and teeth. The other two don't. But it's interesting that you have no idea why NYC gun crime has gone down.


Could've been a combination of a couple of different things. Cops everywhere would be one. Rising social class would be another (oddly enough, most middle class folks don't go shooting each other. It tends to be restricted to the poorer folks and gang/drug related issues).
 
2012-12-24 11:01:13 AM

cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: or Detroit and Chicago.

See, the difference there is that the NYC gun ban has, you know, actual repercussions and teeth. The other two don't. But it's interesting that you have no idea why NYC gun crime has gone down.


I had heard that violent crime in NYC was way up.  You have any citations?
 
2012-12-24 11:01:29 AM

WhippingBoy: chuckufarlie: The British did not lose the Revolution in America as much as they got tired of the conflict. Lots of your redneck buddies seem to think that you could win your war against the US government in the same way, that the govt. would get tired of the war and go home. You overlook the fact that they would already be at home, fighting an enemy that the majority would see as an enemy of the nation.

No way man. Cletus and Zeke could totally take out a Nimitz class aircraft carrier if they had enough guns and ammunition. Why just last year Zeke was named NRA's "cool shot" of the year by the Bumfark, Georgia chapter of the NRA.


It's one of dem dare pre-dator drones, Cletus!!! Shoot it!!! Shoot it!!!
 
2012-12-24 11:01:36 AM

computerguyUT: Bontesla: computerguyUT: Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.

It's being overblown by the media.
Yesterday somehow 319,999,999 people managed to not shoot anybody.

So you're saying the number of people shot was an acceptable level? Good to know.

That's amazing how you took what I wrote and turned it into what I really mean for me jackhole.

You guys spout "take them all away" like that would solve anything since it's not law abiding gun owners that are going nutjob.
Where's your real solution? It's so much easier to just spout crap and rhetoric in funny redneck misspelled words and make funny DEHURRRR sounds. Just makes you feel so superior doesn't it.
This country is in the situation it is currently is because we are building a structure that panders to the lowest common denominator.
The problem is there are just too damn many ways for the .0001% to go apeshiat.

Where does it end? passing laws does not affect criminals. I don't know how else to phrase it so you guy can undertand it.
Every gun I own is locked in a safe. If the Gestapo were to come by and take them all, what would that have accomplished?
I have managed to go 45 years without losing one and without shooting someone.
Why is the viloent .0001% more important than me?


When I said, "So you're saying the number of people shot was an acceptable level? Good to know", I only needed to deduce that from your statement that x number of people managed not to shoot anyone today. Your argument only makes sense if you establish an acceptable threshold of unnecessary gun violence. If you don't think any number of unnecessary shootings are acceptable then that would be a really odd statement for you to make.

Further - law abiding gun owners also snap. Here's the thing about law-abiding gun owners: they can be law-abiding every single day for fifty years and then one day decide to kill everyone in sight. So saying that just because you've previously obeyed all laws and have not shot anyone yet doesn't mean that you'll continue to obey all laws and will not shoot anyone in the future. You may be pretty confident in your sanity but I'm not. It's nothing personal but statistically speaking - I'm going to know people who die or be injured as a direct result of being shot. People in your circle will also know someone who will either die or be injured as a direct result of being shot. It's entirely likely that you know who will be that shooter and it's also entirely likely that you'd be surprised at who the shooter is.

I'm not arguing that guns should be banned. I'm saying that one's hobby should not put everyone else in society at risk. Society can regulate high risk behavior. It's why many states have regulated street racing, we have hunting seasons, and you can be arrested for driving drunk. We haven't banned street racing - merely designated areas in which it can be carried out and specified the conditions in which it can be enjoyed. We haven't banned duck hunting - merely created a season and designated zones in which it can be enjoyed. We haven't banned alcohol - merely stipulated that you cannot both drink and drive. Likewise - we shouldn't ban guns. We should, however, enact common sense regulations that help create a safer society. These common sense regulations should also be accompanied by other laws because regulating the tool, alone, will be insufficient.
 
2012-12-24 11:02:20 AM

david_gaithersburg: Ok, you're right. Good thing your weren't around to advise they Libyan's, Algerians, etc.. They were foolish to stand up to all of those modern military weapons.


Except for the fact that they were being funded and supplied with other modern military weapons - including SAM and ATMs.- by first world nations, you have a point.

Actually, since you're talking about history, let's discuss how every "People's Revolution" that occurred in any second or third world country since World War II has been a proxy war funded by either the Americans, Russians, or Chinese?
 
2012-12-24 11:02:20 AM

Scerpes: Infernalist: Depends on the person, and whether they're actively trying to cause a serious physical injury to myself or someone else.

I wonder if Lanza thought those kids needed killing, too. You wonder?

And that would be a great reason to keep crazy people and people who make weapons available to crazy people from buying firearms. It sure would be nice to be able to have a database to check to see if someone is mentally ill, like we can do with felons.


This is the height of selfishness and short-sightedness from this crowd.

Do you honestly think gun owners are going to go along with sanity checks run by the government or anyone else? fark no.

That's just another scapegoat and bullshiat non-solution they never intend to implement.  They will fight it in the courts, and claim the 2nd requires no such provision.  They KNOW this will never work, and they will never go along with it at a nationally organized or individual level.  The only reason it even sounds good right now is because they just want to make the issue go away for now, and blaming crazy people is a better alternative to looking at the gun problem.

What's the cut-off for "too crazy to own guns"?  Does that mean the government accesses your medical records and tests your sanity?  That they can force mental health care on you if you already own a gun, or can take your gun away if you're on certain medications?  What are those medications?  Will they allow you to be around your own guns if, say, you're recovering from surgery and on some pills that make you loopy for a while?  And if guns are out there and the health care issues don't work, then what?  Institutionalization for all people who can't be trusted around guns, just so Gun Derper can fantasize about blasting hippies and minorities creeping through his window?

Who pays for all that shiat? You have nearly half the country going bananas over some imagined "death panels" in Obamacare, and you want to tie the 2nd Amendment to all of this healthcare crap on top of it? No farking way they will ever go along with it.

Total bullshiat.  The answer is not to wave a magic wand and make all the crazy and bad people go away, it's to remove some of their resources or at least make those resources harder to get.
 
2012-12-24 11:02:23 AM

chuckufarlie: tonguedepressor: Why would anyone need this many matches in a single box!??
[www.readydepot.com image 250x234]

[encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 204x247]

Are you trying to be the stupidest person on the internet?


I completely forgot where I was for a moment, thanks for righting my ship for me.
 
2012-12-24 11:02:39 AM

KarmicDisaster: I'm not saying that there shouldn't be repercussions for providing a weapon to a crazy person or a felon. There certainly should. That's not the same as the strict liability some want for anyone who gives a gun to someone else who ultimately uses it to commit a crime.

No, of course not. If you report it stolen, or someone steals it and you don't know, not your problem. It would be the same with guns. But if you lend them your car/gun then you share responsibility as a participant in the crime.  Many states already have a "if kids get hold of your unlocked gun it's your fault" law, that is what I was thinking of.  Guns should be licensed and regulated exactly like cars in almost all respects, which aren't even weapons we are told.


If you lend your car to someone and they, unknown to you, kill someone else, you don't get locked up. I don't think it should be any different with a firearm.

That said, you should certainly secure your firearms to keep children away from them. I really don't have a problem with a criminal penalty for people who leave their weapons unsecured, and allow access by children/felons/crazy people.
 
2012-12-24 11:03:52 AM

WhippingBoy: chuckufarlie: The British did not lose the Revolution in America as much as they got tired of the conflict. Lots of your redneck buddies seem to think that you could win your war against the US government in the same way, that the govt. would get tired of the war and go home. You overlook the fact that they would already be at home, fighting an enemy that the majority would see as an enemy of the nation.

No way man. Cletus and Zeke could totally take out a Nimitz class aircraft carrier if they had enough guns and ammunition. Why just last year Zeke was named NRA's "cool shot" of the year by the Bumfark, Georgia chapter of the NRA.


If you are seriously pitting Billy McPrepper against the US military, Billy overweight and down there in his basement with his Bushmaster and 10000 rounds of ammo and a box of MREs with oops, no water stored, against an M1 Abrams tank, well...
 
2012-12-24 11:04:02 AM

david_gaithersburg: chuckufarlie: david_gaithersburg: Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.

.
As human beings we believe ourselves to have certain basic human rights that are inalienable, and have provided that those basic human rights shall never be infringed upon by the government. One of those rights is the basic right to protect one's self from anything, including an out of control government. Our second amendment also serves to guarantee that the government will think twice before attempting to infringe upon any of the other basic human rights enshrined in the first ten amendments to our constitution.

240 years ago we had a standing army, and the best trained army in the world too. Our government became tyrannical and out of control, we took up arms and formed local militias to stand up against the biggest and best trained army and navy on the planet. That newly formed US government began to erode during the FDR administration and it is still slowly dissolving today.

A bunch of armed rednecks is not a guarantee of anything. You sure as hell could not stand up the the real military. You want to believe it because it gives your pathetic life some meaning.

You need to do some research on the American Revolution. The local militia did not win the war, It was a standing army that had been trained to fight in the European style. The militia was not reliable in battle. They were known to fire one round and then run away.

Also, what we see as the American Revolution was just part of a larger war that the British were fighting against the French.

The British did not lose the Revolution in America as much as they got tired of the conflict. Lots of your redneck buddies seem to think that you could win your war against the US government in the same way, that the govt. woul ...


Maybe you haven't noticed but the USA is not like those countries. We are not ruled by a dictator. We have a legally elected government that peacefully turns over the leadership when it loses an election. That is hardly the stage for a revolution. Sure, there are ignorant rednecks who "want the government back" but that is a position based on ignorance and stupidity.
 
2012-12-24 11:04:04 AM

Scerpes: KarmicDisaster: I'm not saying that there shouldn't be repercussions for providing a weapon to a crazy person or a felon. There certainly should. That's not the same as the strict liability some want for anyone who gives a gun to someone else who ultimately uses it to commit a crime.

No, of course not. If you report it stolen, or someone steals it and you don't know, not your problem. It would be the same with guns. But if you lend them your car/gun then you share responsibility as a participant in the crime.  Many states already have a "if kids get hold of your unlocked gun it's your fault" law, that is what I was thinking of.  Guns should be licensed and regulated exactly like cars in almost all respects, which aren't even weapons we are told.

If you lend your car to someone and they, unknown to you, kill someone else, you don't get locked up. I don't think it should be any different with a firearm.

That said, you should certainly secure your firearms to keep children away from them. I really don't have a problem with a criminal penalty for people who leave their weapons unsecured, and allow access by children/felons/crazy people.


Are you retarded? Stop comparing cars to guns. Cars are not designed to murder people.
 
2012-12-24 11:04:09 AM

Fapinator: Too soon?


TROLL!!!
 
2012-12-24 11:04:27 AM

willfullyobscure: feral hogs are some mean madafaks brah. defo recco sum GUNZ to fix ya pig problems


Google translate doesn't know what to do with this... what language is it?
 
2012-12-24 11:04:29 AM

BronyMedic: Coastalgrl: Btw, four firefighters shot, two have passed away, other two in guarded condition.

Goddamnit so much.


Thank you. Somehow this thread went a different direction.

/firefighter family
 
2012-12-24 11:04:51 AM

lordjupiter: Scerpes: Infernalist: Depends on the person, and whether they're actively trying to cause a serious physical injury to myself or someone else.

I wonder if Lanza thought those kids needed killing, too. You wonder?

And that would be a great reason to keep crazy people and people who make weapons available to crazy people from buying firearms. It sure would be nice to be able to have a database to check to see if someone is mentally ill, like we can do with felons.

This is the height of selfishness and short-sightedness from this crowd.

Do you honestly think gun owners are going to go along with sanity checks run by the government or anyone else? fark no.

That's just another scapegoat and bullshiat non-solution they never intend to implement.  They will fight it in the courts, and claim the 2nd requires no such provision.  They KNOW this will never work, and they will never go along with it at a nationally organized or individual level.  The only reason it even sounds good right now is because they just want to make the issue go away for now, and blaming crazy people is a better alternative to looking at the gun problem.

What's the cut-off for "too crazy to own guns"?  Does that mean the government accesses your medical records and tests your sanity?  That they can force mental health care on you if you already own a gun, or can take your gun away if you're on certain medications?  What are those medications?  Will they allow you to be around your own guns if, say, you're recovering from surgery and on some pills that make you loopy for a while?  And if guns are out there and the health care issues don't work, then what?  Institutionalization for all people who can't be trusted around guns, just so Gun Derper can fantasize about blasting hippies and minorities creeping through his window?

Who pays for all that shiat? You have nearly half the country going bananas over some imagined "death panels" in Obamacare, and you want to tie the 2nd Amendment to all of this ...


We already ask people if they're mentally ill when they purchase a firearm. We just have no way to actually verify that they're telling the truth. Yeah...we need to be tracking people who are crazy. We're perfectly ok reporting their information to their insurance companies. It's time the feds start tracking it in an NCIC style database.
 
2012-12-24 11:04:55 AM

WhippingBoy: chuckufarlie: The British did not lose the Revolution in America as much as they got tired of the conflict. Lots of your redneck buddies seem to think that you could win your war against the US government in the same way, that the govt. would get tired of the war and go home. You overlook the fact that they would already be at home, fighting an enemy that the majority would see as an enemy of the nation.

No way man. Cletus and Zeke could totally take out a Nimitz class aircraft carrier if they had enough guns and ammunition. Why just last year Zeke was named NRA's "cool shot" of the year by the Bumfark, Georgia chapter of the NRA.


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Educate yourself before presenting yourself as an expert on farking everything under the sun. Link
 
2012-12-24 11:04:59 AM
Well, let's be goddamn sure to run this story ON EVERY TV CHANNEL FOR 24 HOURS A DAY FOR A WEEK, SO THE NEXT PSYCHOPATH KNOWS HE CAN GET HIS NAME EVERY-GODDAMN-WHERE BY SHOOTING PEOPLE!!!

I really think we should rethink this national wallowing in these tragedies. As an internet psychiatrist, I'm sure we're encouraging these events.

/We have met the enemy, and it is the media.
 
2012-12-24 11:05:27 AM

Infernalist: Scerpes: KarmicDisaster: I'm not saying that there shouldn't be repercussions for providing a weapon to a crazy person or a felon. There certainly should. That's not the same as the strict liability some want for anyone who gives a gun to someone else who ultimately uses it to commit a crime.

No, of course not. If you report it stolen, or someone steals it and you don't know, not your problem. It would be the same with guns. But if you lend them your car/gun then you share responsibility as a participant in the crime.  Many states already have a "if kids get hold of your unlocked gun it's your fault" law, that is what I was thinking of.  Guns should be licensed and regulated exactly like cars in almost all respects, which aren't even weapons we are told.

If you lend your car to someone and they, unknown to you, kill someone else, you don't get locked up. I don't think it should be any different with a firearm.

That said, you should certainly secure your firearms to keep children away from them. I really don't have a problem with a criminal penalty for people who leave their weapons unsecured, and allow access by children/felons/crazy people.

Are you retarded? Stop comparing cars to guns. Cars are not designed to murder people.


And yet they do.
 
2012-12-24 11:05:59 AM

IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: or Detroit and Chicago.

See, the difference there is that the NYC gun ban has, you know, actual repercussions and teeth. The other two don't. But it's interesting that you have no idea why NYC gun crime has gone down.

I had heard that violent crime in NYC was way up.  You have any citations?


<iViolent in has been dropping since 1990. In 2009, there were 471 homicides, the lowest number since at least 1963 when reliable statistics were first kept.

Source

I'd like to know were you heard violent crime was way up. A two-second google search only comes up with stories saying it's down.
 
2012-12-24 11:06:24 AM

Mimic_Octopus: Infernalist: rth

umm, just about every single one that has ever been toppled ? you think they all stepped down after a debate ?

how many revolutions were successfully carried out without guns ?


Let's start with East-Germany 1989. No guns were used to bring down the ruthless socialist rulers.
 
2012-12-24 11:06:36 AM

lordjupiter: too crazy to own guns


You sound reasonable, but then you call for banning guns.  How will a little old lady protect herself from big attackers?
 
2012-12-24 11:06:52 AM

lordjupiter: Do you honestly think gun owners are going to go along with sanity checks run by the government or anyone else? fark no.


That totally explains why there was an armed revolt in NYC when guns were ba....oh wait no there wasn't.
 
2012-12-24 11:06:56 AM

KarmicDisaster: WhippingBoy: chuckufarlie: The British did not lose the Revolution in America as much as they got tired of the conflict. Lots of your redneck buddies seem to think that you could win your war against the US government in the same way, that the govt. would get tired of the war and go home. You overlook the fact that they would already be at home, fighting an enemy that the majority would see as an enemy of the nation.

No way man. Cletus and Zeke could totally take out a Nimitz class aircraft carrier if they had enough guns and ammunition. Why just last year Zeke was named NRA's "cool shot" of the year by the Bumfark, Georgia chapter of the NRA.

If you are seriously pitting Billy McPrepper against the US military, Billy overweight and down there in his basement with his Bushmaster and 10000 rounds of ammo and a box of MREs with oops, no water stored, against an M1 Abrams tank, well...


he is not serious. Well, he is serious about making fun of Cletus and Zeke, but that is it.
 
2012-12-24 11:07:18 AM

SurelyShirley: Mimic_Octopus: we need the military grade weapons (which a semi-auto rifle is not) for when the US govt ends up like the british one we threw off a few years ago. do you think history stops because you are here right now ?

The government has Apache helicopters and Reaper drones, well armed with hellfire missiles. If they really, really want to come for you, they will, and your AR-15/AK-47/Glock won't change that.


Eh... Just to play Devil's Advocate here, but Iraqi insurgents seemed to cause us a lot of hell with firearms that weren't better. I'd imagine a modern revolutionary scenario would play-out somewhat similar?

/I'll be in the corner with my gun and tin-foil hat.
 
2012-12-24 11:07:35 AM

ronaprhys: chuckufarlie: david_gaithersburg: Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.

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As human beings we believe ourselves to have certain basic human rights that are inalienable, and have provided that those basic human rights shall never be infringed upon by the government. One of those rights is the basic right to protect one's self from anything, including an out of control government. Our second amendment also serves to guarantee that the government will think twice before attempting to infringe upon any of the other basic human rights enshrined in the first ten amendments to our constitution.

240 years ago we had a standing army, and the best trained army in the world too. Our government became tyrannical and out of control, we took up arms and formed local militias to stand up against the biggest and best trained army and navy on the planet. That newly formed US government began to erode during the FDR administration and it is still slowly dissolving today.

A bunch of armed rednecks is not a guarantee of anything. You sure as hell could not stand up the the real military. You want to believe it because it gives your pathetic life some meaning.

You need to do some research on the American Revolution. The local militia did not win the war, It was a standing army that had been trained to fight in the European style. The militia was not reliable in battle. They were known to fire one round and then run away.

Also, what we see as the American Revolution was just part of a larger war that the British were fighting against the French.

The British did not lose the Revolution in America as much as they got tired of the conflict. Lots of your redneck buddies seem to think that you could win your war against the US government in the same way, that the govt. woul ...


And you're a one-trick pony with your MADD whargarble.

Ever think maybe you SHOULD feel bad about this?  Maybe that's why you're so offended and threatened by it.
 
2012-12-24 11:07:36 AM

david_gaithersburg: WhippingBoy: chuckufarlie: The British did not lose the Revolution in America as much as they got tired of the conflict. Lots of your redneck buddies seem to think that you could win your war against the US government in the same way, that the govt. would get tired of the war and go home. You overlook the fact that they would already be at home, fighting an enemy that the majority would see as an enemy of the nation.

No way man. Cletus and Zeke could totally take out a Nimitz class aircraft carrier if they had enough guns and ammunition. Why just last year Zeke was named NRA's "cool shot" of the year by the Bumfark, Georgia chapter of the NRA.

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Educate yourself before presenting yourself as an expert on farking everything under the sun. Link


Rense.com? PFFTTAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA
 
2012-12-24 11:07:40 AM

stuffy: Fapinator: [img689.imageshack.us image 729x600]

Too soon?

Been looking all over for that game. Walmart says wont have it before Valentines.


Yeah ...pre-release demo. Since video games are causing all this violence, the full version may never see the light of day.
 
2012-12-24 11:08:06 AM

Infernalist: Scerpes: KarmicDisaster: I'm not saying that there shouldn't be repercussions for providing a weapon to a crazy person or a felon. There certainly should. That's not the same as the strict liability some want for anyone who gives a gun to someone else who ultimately uses it to commit a crime.

No, of course not. If you report it stolen, or someone steals it and you don't know, not your problem. It would be the same with guns. But if you lend them your car/gun then you share responsibility as a participant in the crime.  Many states already have a "if kids get hold of your unlocked gun it's your fault" law, that is what I was thinking of.  Guns should be licensed and regulated exactly like cars in almost all respects, which aren't even weapons we are told.

If you lend your car to someone and they, unknown to you, kill someone else, you don't get locked up. I don't think it should be any different with a firearm.

That said, you should certainly secure your firearms to keep children away from them. I really don't have a problem with a criminal penalty for people who leave their weapons unsecured, and allow access by children/felons/crazy people.

Are you retarded? Stop comparing cars to guns. Cars are not designed to murder people.


Not sure who you are responding to, but 1) as an aside people do try to kill other people with cars on an almost daily basis anyway, 2) so, OK, given that cars aren't even weapons, why can't we at least regulate guns as strictly as we do cars?
 
2012-12-24 11:08:11 AM

SurelyShirley: Mimic_Octopus: Infernalist: rth

umm, just about every single one that has ever been toppled ? you think they all stepped down after a debate ?

how many revolutions were successfully carried out without guns ?

Let's start with East-Germany 1989. No guns were used to bring down the ruthless socialist rulers.


Add the entire Warsaw Pact list of nations to that list.
 
2012-12-24 11:09:22 AM
The new NRA spokesperson later told people to remain calm.

i81.photobucket.com

Everything is fine. Nothing to see here.
We have arrested the guns that did this.
 
2012-12-24 11:09:43 AM

IronTom: lordjupiter: too crazy to own guns

You sound reasonable, but then you call for banning guns.  How will a little old lady protect herself from big attackers?


Show me where I called for banning all guns.  Do it.
 
2012-12-24 11:09:50 AM

Infernalist: Scerpes: KarmicDisaster: I'm not saying that there shouldn't be repercussions for providing a weapon to a crazy person or a felon. There certainly should. That's not the same as the strict liability some want for anyone who gives a gun to someone else who ultimately uses it to commit a crime.

No, of course not. If you report it stolen, or someone steals it and you don't know, not your problem. It would be the same with guns. But if you lend them your car/gun then you share responsibility as a participant in the crime.  Many states already have a "if kids get hold of your unlocked gun it's your fault" law, that is what I was thinking of.  Guns should be licensed and regulated exactly like cars in almost all respects, which aren't even weapons we are told.

If you lend your car to someone and they, unknown to you, kill someone else, you don't get locked up. I don't think it should be any different with a firearm.

That said, you should certainly secure your firearms to keep children away from them. I really don't have a problem with a criminal penalty for people who leave their weapons unsecured, and allow access by children/felons/crazy people.

Are you retarded? Stop comparing cars to guns. Cars are not designed to murder people.


Ahem....
www.papermag.com
 
2012-12-24 11:10:30 AM

cameroncrazy1984: lordjupiter: Do you honestly think gun owners are going to go along with sanity checks run by the government or anyone else? fark no.

That totally explains why there was an armed revolt in NYC when guns were ba....oh wait no there wasn't.


Is that as far as you got before you stopped reading my post?
 
2012-12-24 11:10:31 AM

Scerpes: Infernalist: Scerpes: KarmicDisaster: I'm not saying that there shouldn't be repercussions for providing a weapon to a crazy person or a felon. There certainly should. That's not the same as the strict liability some want for anyone who gives a gun to someone else who ultimately uses it to commit a crime.

No, of course not. If you report it stolen, or someone steals it and you don't know, not your problem. It would be the same with guns. But if you lend them your car/gun then you share responsibility as a participant in the crime.  Many states already have a "if kids get hold of your unlocked gun it's your fault" law, that is what I was thinking of.  Guns should be licensed and regulated exactly like cars in almost all respects, which aren't even weapons we are told.

If you lend your car to someone and they, unknown to you, kill someone else, you don't get locked up. I don't think it should be any different with a firearm.

That said, you should certainly secure your firearms to keep children away from them. I really don't have a problem with a criminal penalty for people who leave their weapons unsecured, and allow access by children/felons/crazy people.

Are you retarded? Stop comparing cars to guns. Cars are not designed to murder people.

And yet they do.


You'd be surprised what you can kill someone with. That doesn't make any of them equivalent to tools designed solely and purely with death in mind. Handguns have NO other purpose except to exert the fear of death or deal death.

If you loan someone a gun, then yeah, you ARE responsible for what they do with the tool of death that you gave them.

Equally responsible, at that.
 
2012-12-24 11:11:01 AM

Infernalist: Are you retarded? Stop comparing cars to guns. Cars are not designed to murder people.


The Corvair disagrees with you.
www.stolaf.edu
 
2012-12-24 11:11:16 AM
We need a teacher in every gun store.
 
2012-12-24 11:11:29 AM

chuckufarlie: Mr. Eugenides: czei: I get it: gun violence is caused by liberals working for Obama has part of a grand conspiracy to take away our guns?

I don't know that they're working for Obama or are working to take away our guns, but yeah, I doubt any of the recent mass shooters were registered as Republicans. In fact, a fair number of them (Side show bob and Loughner) seem to have been Democratic activists of sorts.

right, the kid's mother was a survivalist. How many survivalists do you think are Democrats? The kid grew up in a Republican household.

The idea that these maniacs are working to take away your guns is incredibly stupid. They do not have a political agenda, they are pissed and want to take it out on people.

You should go find a mental health professional and have a nice long talk. They cannot cure stupid, but they can help with the crazy.


Interesting; you make some fatuous leaps and then insult me without providing a shred of corroboration for your assertions. But somehow you're actually proud of your skill at debate aren't you?
 
2012-12-24 11:11:36 AM

jakepowers: I have nothing of interest to add


Thank you for adding that.
 
2012-12-24 11:12:01 AM

Spaced Lion: [assets.diylol.com image 510x486]


The occasional civilian massacre is the price we all pay -- and will continue to pay -- for freedom.
 
2012-12-24 11:12:03 AM

verbaltoxin: david_gaithersburg: WhippingBoy: chuckufarlie: The British did not lose the Revolution in America as much as they got tired of the conflict. Lots of your redneck buddies seem to think that you could win your war against the US government in the same way, that the govt. would get tired of the war and go home. You overlook the fact that they would already be at home, fighting an enemy that the majority would see as an enemy of the nation.

No way man. Cletus and Zeke could totally take out a Nimitz class aircraft carrier if they had enough guns and ammunition. Why just last year Zeke was named NRA's "cool shot" of the year by the Bumfark, Georgia chapter of the NRA.

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Educate yourself before presenting yourself as an expert on farking everything under the sun. Link

Rense.com? PFFTTAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA


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Learn to use Google if you must read the same story from NYT or Mother Jones.
 
2012-12-24 11:12:06 AM

Infernalist: You'd be surprised what you can kill someone with. That doesn't make any of them equivalent to tools designed solely and purely with death in mind. Handguns have NO other purpose except to exert the fear of death or deal death.

If you loan someone a gun, then yeah, you ARE responsible for what they do with the tool of death that you gave them.

Equally responsible, at that.


Then it is absolutely the same for cars, hammers, chain saws, and any other deadly or dangerous weapon. Whether you like it or not.
 
2012-12-24 11:13:15 AM

Bontesla:
When I said, "So you're saying the number of people shot was an acceptable level? Good to know", I only needed to deduce that from your statement that x number of people managed not to shoot anyone today. Your argument only makes sense if you establish an acceptable threshold of unnecessary gun violence. If you don't think any number of unnecessary shootings are acceptable then that would be a really odd statement for you to make.


To try and legislate to a 100% safety level is impossible and probably shouldn't be restricted. I say that not to be snarky, but noting that a 100% safety level isn't possible anywhere and point out that we regularly accept levels below that. Vehicles, pools, knives, etc aren't 100% safe. Hell - hammers aren't 100% safe. Trying to use that as your level does nothing more than set an impossible standard that paves the way for continual legislation and failed results - which leads to more and more restrictions upon the populace.

Further - law abiding gun owners also snap. Here's the thing about law-abiding gun owners: they can be law-abiding every single day for fifty years and then one day decide to kill everyone in sight. So saying that just because you've previously obeyed all laws and have not shot anyone yet doesn't mean that you'll continue to obey all laws and will not shoot anyone in the future. You may be pretty confident in your sanity but I'm not. It's nothing personal but statistically speaking - I'm going to know people who die or be injured as a direct result of being shot. People in your circle will also know someone who will either die or be injured as a direct result of being shot. It's entirely likely that you know who will be that shooter and it's also entirely likely that you'd be surprised at who the shooter is.

Rarely enough that attempting to legislate against it will result in nothing more than undue restrictions upon all other law abiding folks. Secondly, whether or not your comfortable with the sanity of the average firearm owner is irrelevant. Statistically speaking, that's bullshiat. In the United States, I believe the current homicide rate is hovering around 4/100,000. So unless you regularly hang out with 25K people/year, it's not bloody likely. Now, if you hang out in crime-infested neighborhoods, have gang bangers or drug dealers for friends, and so forth, then it becomes much more likely. However, still - bullshiat. Knowing someone from the news doesn't count as actually knowing them.

I'm not arguing that guns should be banned. I'm saying that one's hobby should not put everyone else in society at risk. Society can regulate high risk behavior. It's why many states have regulated street racing, we have hunting seasons, and you can be arrested for driving drunk. We haven't banned street racing - merely designated areas in which it can be carried out and specified the conditions in which it can be enjoyed. We haven't banned duck hunting - merely created a season and designated zones in which it can be enjoyed. We haven't banned alcohol - merely stipulated that you cannot both drink and drive. Likewise - we shouldn't ban guns. We should, however, enact common sense regulations that help create a safer society. These common sense regulations should also be accompanied by other laws because regulating the tool, alone, will be insufficient.

Well, you've used some very bad analogies there. Street racing is illegal as it's dangerous. Murder is illegal because it's dangerous. Randomly discharging your firearm in public places is illegal because it's dangerous - however, defending yourself isn't. The fact is that all "bad" behaviors with firearms (the ones that actually hurt someone else) are illegal. By your examples, we're set - from a legal perspective.
 
2012-12-24 11:13:18 AM

david_gaithersburg: WhippingBoy: chuckufarlie: The British did not lose the Revolution in America as much as they got tired of the conflict. Lots of your redneck buddies seem to think that you could win your war against the US government in the same way, that the govt. would get tired of the war and go home. You overlook the fact that they would already be at home, fighting an enemy that the majority would see as an enemy of the nation.

No way man. Cletus and Zeke could totally take out a Nimitz class aircraft carrier if they had enough guns and ammunition. Why just last year Zeke was named NRA's "cool shot" of the year by the Bumfark, Georgia chapter of the NRA.

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Educate yourself before presenting yourself as an expert on farking everything under the sun. Link


You are living under three false impressions:

1. You are NOT the protector of American Freedom
2. You will NOT gain the support of the American people when you act.
3. You would get your collective asses kicked so hard by the FBI or the DoD. You have no chance against them.

While we are debating taking guns away from crazy people, we should include taking them away from stupid people. Take your guns to your local police force and turn them in. We would all feel safer if you did.
 
2012-12-24 11:14:02 AM

Scerpes: Infernalist: You'd be surprised what you can kill someone with. That doesn't make any of them equivalent to tools designed solely and purely with death in mind. Handguns have NO other purpose except to exert the fear of death or deal death.

If you loan someone a gun, then yeah, you ARE responsible for what they do with the tool of death that you gave them.

Equally responsible, at that.

Then it is absolutely the same for cars, hammers, chain saws, and any other deadly or dangerous weapon. Whether you like it or not.


If I loan someone my hammer, a tool of construction and creation, then I can safely assume that he's meaning to use it for some sort of construction.

If I loan someone my car, a tool of transportation, then I can safely assume that he's needing it to drive somewhere.

If I loan someone my gun, a tool of death and intimidation, then I can assume that he's intending to threaten someone or kill someone.

Do you understand the concept of 'design intent'?
 
2012-12-24 11:14:43 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Mrbogey: cameroncrazy1984: Infernalist: Lanza didn't buy his guns. He stole them. Are you suggesting that we violate the civil rights of a potential gun owner because he has a son with autism? I'm shocked at you, sirrah. Shocked, I sa

He didn't steal them. They were in his mother's house. His mother taught him how to use them.

You dont realize how dumb that line is. That's a shame.

You don't know that when you call other people dumb, you should probably use contractions properly.


Missing an apostrophe makes me a sloppy typist. Expressing a dumb idea... well we know what that makes you.
 
2012-12-24 11:14:46 AM

david_gaithersburg: verbaltoxin: david_gaithersburg: WhippingBoy: chuckufarlie: The British did not lose the Revolution in America as much as they got tired of the conflict. Lots of your redneck buddies seem to think that you could win your war against the US government in the same way, that the govt. would get tired of the war and go home. You overlook the fact that they would already be at home, fighting an enemy that the majority would see as an enemy of the nation.

No way man. Cletus and Zeke could totally take out a Nimitz class aircraft carrier if they had enough guns and ammunition. Why just last year Zeke was named NRA's "cool shot" of the year by the Bumfark, Georgia chapter of the NRA.

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Educate yourself before presenting yourself as an expert on farking everything under the sun. Link

Rense.com? PFFTTAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA

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Learn to use Google if you must read the same story from NYT or Mother Jones.


Sure, buddy, now tell me about the lizard people.
 
2012-12-24 11:15:35 AM
pigspigspigspigspigspigspiiiiiiiiiiiiiiuugs
 
2012-12-24 11:15:44 AM

Mr. Eugenides: chuckufarlie: Mr. Eugenides: czei: I get it: gun violence is caused by liberals working for Obama has part of a grand conspiracy to take away our guns?

I don't know that they're working for Obama or are working to take away our guns, but yeah, I doubt any of the recent mass shooters were registered as Republicans. In fact, a fair number of them (Side show bob and Loughner) seem to have been Democratic activists of sorts.

right, the kid's mother was a survivalist. How many survivalists do you think are Democrats? The kid grew up in a Republican household.

The idea that these maniacs are working to take away your guns is incredibly stupid. They do not have a political agenda, they are pissed and want to take it out on people.

You should go find a mental health professional and have a nice long talk. They cannot cure stupid, but they can help with the crazy.

Interesting; you make some fatuous leaps and then insult me without providing a shred of corroboration for your assertions. But somehow you're actually proud of your skill at debate aren't you?


this is not a debate, you moron. You are either crazy or stupid, possibly and more likely you are both, You post is proof of it.
 
2012-12-24 11:15:45 AM

cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: cameroncrazy1984: IronTom: or Detroit and Chicago.

See, the difference there is that the NYC gun ban has, you know, actual repercussions and teeth. The other two don't. But it's interesting that you have no idea why NYC gun crime has gone down.

I had heard that violent crime in NYC was way up.  You have any citations?

<iViolent in has been dropping since 1990. In 2009, there were 471 homicides, the lowest number since at least 1963 when reliable statistics were first kept.

Source

I'd like to know were you heard violent crime was way up. A two-second google search only comes up with stories saying it's down.


Thanks for the citation.  Interesting that it says: The city's dramatic drop in crime has been attributed by criminologists to policing tactics, the end of the crack epidemic and - controversially - the legalization of abortion approximately 18 years previous. It does not attribute the reduction to gun control.

I had hear on the TV some stories about parts of NYC, like in the Greenwich Village area.

www.cityrating.com
 
2012-12-24 11:15:50 AM

BronyMedic: cameroncrazy1984: Shoot, this goes all the way back to the Whiskey Rebellion. That worked out so well, right?

To be fair, moonshine is freakin' awesome. I could understand rebelling for the right to drink tax free. It's a God given, basic right that all of FARK should defend with their lives.

Infernalist: Nah, see, this is pure damage control. They 'have' to maintain their stance of 'persecuted victims' because then they don't have to explain how this is acceptable for our society to simply have to deal with on a daily basis.

Our society is saturated with small, easily hidden, easily carried tools meant only to kill other people. And then we have the balls to act surprised with unbalanced people get a hold of some and kill people.

I'm surprised that more people don't have that shill ignored.


What amazes me is that some people are allowed to talk about their ignore list and others are not... It's almost like favoritism or something.

/not directed @ you specifically
 
2012-12-24 11:15:52 AM

Infernalist: If I loan someone my gun, a tool of death and intimidation,


I see. You're retarded.
 
2012-12-24 11:17:08 AM

Infernalist: Scerpes: Infernalist: You'd be surprised what you can kill someone with. That doesn't make any of them equivalent to tools designed solely and purely with death in mind. Handguns have NO other purpose except to exert the fear of death or deal death.

If you loan someone a gun, then yeah, you ARE responsible for what they do with the tool of death that you gave them.

Equally responsible, at that.

Then it is absolutely the same for cars, hammers, chain saws, and any other deadly or dangerous weapon. Whether you like it or not.

If I loan someone my hammer, a tool of construction and creation, then I can safely assume that he's meaning to use it for some sort of construction.

If I loan someone my car, a tool of transportation, then I can safely assume that he's needing it to drive somewhere.

If I loan someone my gun, a tool of death and intimidation, then I can assume that he's intending to threaten someone or kill someone.

Do you understand the concept of 'design intent'?


Right. How could you possibly assume that the guy you loaned your gun to is going hunting, or that he wants to defend his home. That couldn't possibly be what he's going to do with it because all guns are bad, bad, bad.
 
2012-12-24 11:17:16 AM
People, PEOPLE!!! Settle down...

There is only one way to stop this...
www.dziennik.com

/your welcome.
 
2012-12-24 11:17:32 AM

lordjupiter: IronTom: lordjupiter: too crazy to own guns

You sound reasonable, but then you call for banning guns.  How will a little old lady protect herself from big attackers?

Show me where I called for banning all guns.  Do it.


At the end of your post there was this line:  The answer is not to wave a magic wand and make all the crazy and bad people go away, it's to remove some of their resources or at least make those resources harder to get.

And I did not say you called for banning ALL guns, show men where ... dah dah dah,...
 
2012-12-24 11:17:51 AM

chuckufarlie: Mr. Eugenides: chuckufarlie: Mr. Eugenides: czei: I get it: gun violence is caused by liberals working for Obama has part of a grand conspiracy to take away our guns?

I don't know that they're working for Obama or are working to take away our guns, but yeah, I doubt any of the recent mass shooters were registered as Republicans. In fact, a fair number of them (Side show bob and Loughner) seem to have been Democratic activists of sorts.

right, the kid's mother was a survivalist. How many survivalists do you think are Democrats? The kid grew up in a Republican household.

The idea that these maniacs are working to take away your guns is incredibly stupid. They do not have a political agenda, they are pissed and want to take it out on people.

You should go find a mental health professional and have a nice long talk. They cannot cure stupid, but they can help with the crazy.

Interesting; you make some fatuous leaps and then insult me without providing a shred of corroboration for your assertions. But somehow you're actually proud of your skill at debate aren't you?

this is not a debate, you moron. You are either crazy or stupid, possibly and more likely you are both, You post is proof of it.


Says the guy who links to conspiracy theorists.
 
2012-12-24 11:17:53 AM

Molavian: Infernalist: If I loan someone my gun, a tool of death and intimidation,

I see. You're retarded.


Well what is it then...a tool of love?
 
2012-12-24 11:18:06 AM
Do you know who else hated firefighters getting shot responding to calls?  That's right...

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

Seriously, this is terrible.  We had a lot of first responders getting shot at in the days after Katrina.
 
2012-12-24 11:18:07 AM
show me where...
 
2012-12-24 11:18:34 AM
I don't own guns to fight the government. I own guns because they're fun to shoot, and where I'm at, I'm much less likely to have a cop show up should I need one before I'm dead than I am to have a cop save my ass. I hunt, I shoot competitively, and I occasionally work security.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

Besides, the first rule of war if it came to it: Kill the enemy, take his weapons, and use his supply lines against him.

I don't even need a gun, just need to get close and have a weapon.
 
2012-12-24 11:19:18 AM

IronTom: lordjupiter: IronTom: lordjupiter: too crazy to own guns

You sound reasonable, but then you call for banning guns.  How will a little old lady protect herself from big attackers?

Show me where I called for banning all guns.  Do it.

At the end of your post there was this line:  The answer is not to wave a magic wand and make all the crazy and bad people go away, it's to remove some of their resources or at least make those resources harder to get.

And I did not say you called for banning ALL guns, show men where ... dah dah dah,...


You must be some kind of troll to post such contradictions, in clear text, for all the world to read and laugh at.
 
2012-12-24 11:19:20 AM

Molavian: Infernalist: If I loan someone my gun, a tool of death and intimidation,

I see. You're retarded.


What do you think owning a gun is? Why do you think they have signs up in their yards and on their windows advertising the presence of armed people inside?

To intimidate thieves into going elsewhere. To make them fear for their own lives if they want to come inside.

Why do people flash guns at all? To intimidate and terrify those around them.

Why do cops carry openly? Intimidation.

Why is, for many criminals, the act of showing off a gun a means of defusing a confrontation. Intimidation.

I'm explaining this in case you're a moron. If you're just wanting to throw insults, then by all means, continue.
 
2012-12-24 11:19:33 AM

lordjupiter: And you're a one-trick pony with your MADD whargarble.

Ever think maybe you SHOULD feel bad about this? Maybe that's why you're so offended and threatened by it.


If you think that's the case, you're farking retarded. Like extra chromosome-having retarded. Or just being willfully obtuse. I'm absolutely willing to discuss reasonable legislation and solutions to lower the homicide rate. Said solutions have to be practical, enforceable, comply with the Second Amendment, and actually show a measurable impact or they need to be removed. I've said this in the last few threads.

What I will mock, however, are idiots who aren't inclined to actually use statistics, logic, or reason. And that arsehole qualifies as all of those.
 
2012-12-24 11:19:42 AM

James F. Campbell: Spaced Lion: [assets.diylol.com image 510x486]

The occasional civilian massacre is the price we all pay -- and will continue to pay -- for freedom.


If you are serious, may your loved ones be the next to be sacrificed. We will all cheer their patriotic act.


Anybody who believes that guns in the hands of a bunch of civilians is what protects our freedom is incredibly stupid. In fact, you are far from it. Your NRA wants to put armed guards everywhere. Do you think that people are going to believe that they are free with a bunch of NRA rednecks walking the streets, fully armed?
 
2012-12-24 11:20:27 AM

FriarReb98: Who needs a yule log?


news.thomasnet.com
 
2012-12-24 11:20:31 AM

IronTom: lordjupiter: IronTom: lordjupiter: too crazy to own guns

You sound reasonable, but then you call for banning guns.  How will a little old lady protect herself from big attackers?

Show me where I called for banning all guns.  Do it.

At the end of your post there was this line:  The answer is not to wave a magic wand and make all the crazy and bad people go away, it's to remove some of their resources or at least make those resources harder to get.

And I did not say you called for banning ALL guns, show men where ... dah dah dah,...


If you did not mean banning ALL guns, then why use the little old lady example?

Just admit you got busted.
 
2012-12-24 11:20:35 AM

lordjupiter: Molavian: Infernalist: If I loan someone my gun, a tool of death and intimidation,

I see. You're retarded.

Well what is it then...a tool of love?


cps-static.rovicorp.com
 
2012-12-24 11:21:01 AM

chuckufarlie: david_gaithersburg: WhippingBoy: chuckufarlie: The British did not lose the Revolution in America as much as they got tired of the conflict. Lots of your redneck buddies seem to think that you could win your war against the US government in the same way, that the govt. would get tired of the war and go home. You overlook the fact that they would already be at home, fighting an enemy that the majority would see as an enemy of the nation.

No way man. Cletus and Zeke could totally take out a Nimitz class aircraft carrier if they had enough guns and ammunition. Why just last year Zeke was named NRA's "cool shot" of the year by the Bumfark, Georgia chapter of the NRA.

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Educate yourself before presenting yourself as an expert on farking everything under the sun. Link

You are living under three false impressions:

1. You are NOT the protector of American Freedom
2. You will NOT gain the support of the American people when you act.
3. You would get your collective asses kicked so hard by the FBI or the DoD. You have no chance against them.

While we are debating taking guns away from crazy people, we should include taking them away from stupid people. Take your guns to your local police force and turn them in. We would all feel safer if you did.


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wut? Are you responding to the wrong comment, or are you really this stupid. I'm talking about what may happen tomorrow, 50, or 200 years from now.

Feel free to run off to some other country and be a slave to their government. Saudi Arabia is lovely this time of year.
 
2012-12-24 11:21:15 AM

Scerpes: Infernalist: Scerpes: Infernalist: You'd be surprised what you can kill someone with. That doesn't make any of them equivalent to tools designed solely and purely with death in mind. Handguns have NO other purpose except to exert the fear of death or deal death.

If you loan someone a gun, then yeah, you ARE responsible for what they do with the tool of death that you gave them.

Equally responsible, at that.

Then it is absolutely the same for cars, hammers, chain saws, and any other deadly or dangerous weapon. Whether you like it or not.

If I loan someone my hammer, a tool of construction and creation, then I can safely assume that he's meaning to use it for some sort of construction.

If I loan someone my car, a tool of transportation, then I can safely assume that he's needing it to drive somewhere.

If I loan someone my gun, a tool of death and intimidation, then I can assume that he's intending to threaten someone or kill someone.

Do you understand the concept of 'design intent'?

Right. How could you possibly assume that the guy you loaned your gun to is going hunting, or that he wants to defend his home. That couldn't possibly be what he's going to do with it because all guns are bad, bad, bad.


Handguns are not designed for hunting. Nor assault rifles. Now, if he comes and borrows your hunting rifle, that's one thing and a completely different case.

But handguns and assault rifles are not 'hunting weapons' at all. As for defending his home? From whom? Isn't that why we have police? Alarm systems? Dogs? Tasers?
 
2012-12-24 11:21:32 AM

lordjupiter: IronTom: lordjupiter: IronTom: lordjupiter: too crazy to own guns

You sound reasonable, but then you call for banning guns.  How will a little old lady protect herself from big attackers?

Show me where I called for banning all guns.  Do it.

At the end of your post there was this line:  The answer is not to wave a magic wand and make all the crazy and bad people go away, it's to remove some of their resources or at least make those resources harder to get.

And I did not say you called for banning ALL guns, show men where ... dah dah dah,...

You must be some kind of troll to post such contradictions, in clear text, for all the world to read and laugh at.


little girls call people trolls
 
2012-12-24 11:21:38 AM

tonguedepressor: Why would anyone need this many matches in a single box!??
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2012-12-24 11:21:41 AM

imtheonlylp: any possibility that live rounds could have asploded due to the fire?

/devils advocate
//think of the bullets - they only have one chance to get it right.


They'd just assplode with nothing containing them. So no.
 
2012-12-24 11:23:26 AM
I suspect that the shooter (death wish) torched his own house with the intent of shooting firefighters on arrival.

Why? I have no idea.
 
2012-12-24 11:23:50 AM

Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.


Most have us who have guns have one or maybe two that we picked up during a time when we felt we needed protection for one concrete reason or another, or we are hunters who have a long gun or two for that purpose.

The ones you hear about have very small genitalia, or have self esteem or respect issues of some other origin they are compensating for. The are lots and lots of the latter type in this thread.
 
2012-12-24 11:23:59 AM

KarmicDisaster: Orgasmatron138: ongbok: Cataholic: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

And by "armed guards", you mean one police officer who was off campus eating lunch in his car.

By armed he means armed with a radio and a whistle like at most non gang riddled high schools.

I would like to see a citation that the Columbine school security were armed when that shooting happened.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/columbine-armed-guards_n_234 7 096.html

He shot at the attackers and missed. Oops.

The problem is that you are expecting a guy that stands there day after day after day for years on end in the most boring job ever, to go from most boring job ever to full on expert marksman against pumped up crazies in a fraction of a second with no warning. Just does not happen.


I also think we should utilize military personnel to guard our schools and equip 'em w/ the firepower necessary and make use of "panic buttons" that could employ them on scene asap.

Columbine guards didn't even know what was going down til it was far too late.
 
2012-12-24 11:25:15 AM

Infernalist: But handguns and assault rifles are not 'hunting weapons' at all. As for defending his home? From whom? Isn't that why we have police? Alarm systems? Dogs? Tasers?


None of those things works half as well as being able to shoot the guy who broke into your house. Killing people isn't always bad.
 
2012-12-24 11:25:17 AM

ronaprhys: lordjupiter: And you're a one-trick pony with your MADD whargarble.

Ever think maybe you SHOULD feel bad about this? Maybe that's why you're so offended and threatened by it.

If you think that's the case, you're farking retarded. Like extra chromosome-having retarded. Or just being willfully obtuse. I'm absolutely willing to discuss reasonable legislation and solutions to lower the homicide rate. Said solutions have to be practical, enforceable, comply with the Second Amendment, and actually show a measurable impact or they need to be removed. I've said this in the last few threads.

What I will mock, however, are idiots who aren't inclined to actually use statistics, logic, or reason. And that arsehole qualifies as all of those.


It seems we have different definitions of those things.

None of your rationalizations change what I said, which is that you characterize anything that might make you feel bad as MADD tactics; which, even if assumed to be true, for some reason is supposed to be an insult.

I don't think you ever answered my question the other day about whether or not you think drunk driving is OK.  You gave some nonsensical response about 0% BAC or something, which I guess is possibly indicative of some belief that you have a special ability to drive after drinking more than other people, or something.  Still not sure what your hangup is.  Not that it makes one bit of difference because IT IS YET ANOTHER DISTRACTION.

Back on topic...
 
2012-12-24 11:25:29 AM

Infernalist: Molavian: Infernalist: If I loan someone my gun, a tool of death and intimidation,

I see. You're retarded.

What do you think owning a gun is? Why do you think they have signs up in their yards and on their windows advertising the presence of armed people inside?

To intimidate thieves into going elsewhere. To make them fear for their own lives if they want to come inside.

Why do people flash guns at all? To intimidate and terrify those around them.

Why do cops carry openly? Intimidation.

Why is, for many criminals, the act of showing off a gun a means of defusing a confrontation. Intimidation.

I'm explaining this in case you're a moron. If you're just wanting to throw insults, then by all means, continue.


I am pretty sure that you are the moron. Cops carry guns because they might need them. The fact that so many of them have had to use them should tell even you that intimidation is not the reason.

You show people a gun to make them more afraid of you than you are of them. You are obviously scared shiatless. It must be pure hell to live in constant fear of everybody, to realize that they only thing you can do to convince people that you are a man is by showing them a gun. If we take away your guns, you would more than likely go hide in a hole, cowering in feat.

That is no way to live.
 
2012-12-24 11:25:52 AM

DrExplosion: Infernalist: But handguns and assault rifles are not 'hunting weapons' at all. As for defending his home? From whom? Isn't that why we have police? Alarm systems? Dogs? Tasers?

None of those things works half as well as being able to shoot the guy who broke into your house. Killing people isn't always bad.


I'm sure Lanza thought the same thing.
 
2012-12-24 11:26:40 AM

IronTom: lordjupiter: IronTom: lordjupiter: IronTom: lordjupiter: too crazy to own guns

You sound reasonable, but then you call for banning guns.  How will a little old lady protect herself from big attackers?

Show me where I called for banning all guns.  Do it.

At the end of your post there was this line:  The answer is not to wave a magic wand and make all the crazy and bad people go away, it's to remove some of their resources or at least make those resources harder to get.

And I did not say you called for banning ALL guns, show men where ... dah dah dah,...

You must be some kind of troll to post such contradictions, in clear text, for all the world to read and laugh at.

little girls call people trolls


Thanks for saving me the time of having to figure out your motivations.
 
2012-12-24 11:26:56 AM

chuckufarlie: Infernalist: Molavian: Infernalist: If I loan someone my gun, a tool of death and intimidation,

I see. You're retarded.

What do you think owning a gun is? Why do you think they have signs up in their yards and on their windows advertising the presence of armed people inside?

To intimidate thieves into going elsewhere. To make them fear for their own lives if they want to come inside.

Why do people flash guns at all? To intimidate and terrify those around them.

Why do cops carry openly? Intimidation.

Why is, for many criminals, the act of showing off a gun a means of defusing a confrontation. Intimidation.

I'm explaining this in case you're a moron. If you're just wanting to throw insults, then by all means, continue.

I am pretty sure that you are the moron. Cops carry guns because they might need them. The fact that so many of them have had to use them should tell even you that intimidation is not the reason.

You show people a gun to make them more afraid of you than you are of them. You are obviously scared shiatless. It must be pure hell to live in constant fear of everybody, to realize that they only thing you can do to convince people that you are a man is by showing them a gun. If we take away your guns, you would more than likely go hide in a hole, cowering in feat.

That is no way to live.


I think you are mistaking me for someone who likes guns.
 
2012-12-24 11:27:55 AM

Bontesla: computerguyUT: Bontesla: computerguyUT: Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.

It's being overblown by the media.
Yesterday somehow 319,999,999 people managed to not shoot anybody.

So you're saying the number of people shot was an acceptable level? Good to know.

That's amazing how you took what I wrote and turned it into what I really mean for me jackhole.

You guys spout "take them all away" like that would solve anything since it's not law abiding gun owners that are going nutjob.
Where's your real solution? It's so much easier to just spout crap and rhetoric in funny redneck misspelled words and make funny DEHURRRR sounds. Just makes you feel so superior doesn't it.
This country is in the situation it is currently is because we are building a structure that panders to the lowest common denominator.
The problem is there are just too damn many ways for the .0001% to go apeshiat.

Where does it end? passing laws does not affect criminals. I don't know how else to phrase it so you guy can undertand it.
Every gun I own is locked in a safe. If the Gestapo were to come by and take them all, what would that have accomplished?
I have managed to go 45 years without losing one and without shooting someone.
Why is the viloent .0001% more important than me?

When I said, "So you're saying the number of people shot was an acceptable level? Good to know", I only needed to deduce that from your statement that x number of people managed not to shoot anyone today. Your argument only makes sense if you establish an acceptable threshold of unnecessary gun violence. If you don't think any number of unnecessary shootings are acceptable then that would be a really odd statement for you to make.

Further - law abiding gun owners also snap. Here's the thing about law-abiding gun own ...


Fair enough, sorry, it's just a very sore subject to me.
People that believe they can control criminals by penalizing law abiding citizens really drive me crazy.
I AM all for more responsibility of the gun owner, they need to be secured, that's a given, but so much of this argument has nothing to do with guns.
Gun deaths in the US don't even make the top 20 causes of death.
You can't penalize someone for something they "might" do.
If you're going to do that then just start writing prostitution tickets to all females in the US, because they could become prostitutes at any moment... (I know ridiculous and weak, but you get my point)
There is a solution here, but it's going to have to be multi faceted and it does not have to continue to inringe on the constitution.
I just wish more logic would make it into these discussions and less emotion and rhetoric.
 
2012-12-24 11:28:35 AM
I have an Uncle who is a fire fighter in a crappy border town and he has been telling stories of people shooting at firefighyers when they respond to fires for decades. Not that this justifies it just saying it isnt a new thing.
 
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2012-12-24 11:28:38 AM
and it will turn out to be a 5 shot bolt operated hunting rifle.

obama will outlaw all guns. well , he'll try anyway.
 
2012-12-24 11:28:52 AM
cameroncrazy1984: Oh man, this might be some of your best trolling yet. Alright, if you can't legislate morality, why the 10 commandments?

letrole: Because the ten commandments aren't legislation, you miserable farktard.

cameroncrazy1984: Aw, is the troll getting angry? Then why are they called "laws"?


They aren't law any more. Nobody is obligated to follow them. Those who wish to obey God will honour them, but only in the sense of following instructions, not upholding them as a body of Law.

That being said, you can fully observe and fulfill the ten commandments, but not have an ounce of actual morality guiding you. The overt act of not bearing false witness does not imply personal honesty and integrity.

And no, I wasn't getting angry or insulting you. I was merely commenting on your observed intellect and mental state. Unless, of course, you actually do believe that morality can be legislated.
 
2012-12-24 11:29:36 AM

chuckufarlie: Mr. Eugenides: chuckufarlie: Mr. Eugenides: czei: I get it: gun violence is caused by liberals working for Obama has part of a grand conspiracy to take away our guns?

I don't know that they're working for Obama or are working to take away our guns, but yeah, I doubt any of the recent mass shooters were registered as Republicans. In fact, a fair number of them (Side show bob and Loughner) seem to have been Democratic activists of sorts.

right, the kid's mother was a survivalist. How many survivalists do you think are Democrats? The kid grew up in a Republican household.

The idea that these maniacs are working to take away your guns is incredibly stupid. They do not have a political agenda, they are pissed and want to take it out on people.

You should go find a mental health professional and have a nice long talk. They cannot cure stupid, but they can help with the crazy.

Interesting; you make some fatuous leaps and then insult me without providing a shred of corroboration for your assertions. But somehow you're actually proud of your skill at debate aren't you?

this is not a debate, you moron. You are either crazy or stupid, possibly and more likely you are both, You post is proof of it.


Buddy, you are so worked up that your typing and spelling has broken down. That's like waving the white flag in an internet argument. Everyone who reads this knows you lost, and that you lost so badly that you are agitated.
 
2012-12-24 11:29:57 AM
The one thing that these threads show us is the fear held by the rabid wannabe fascist progressives, that fear tells us that the second amendment is working very well.
 
2012-12-24 11:29:59 AM

DrExplosion: Infernalist: But handguns and assault rifles are not 'hunting weapons' at all. As for defending his home? From whom? Isn't that why we have police? Alarm systems? Dogs? Tasers?

None of those things works half as well as being able to shoot the guy who broke into your house. Killing people isn't always bad.


Most people, when confronted by the situation would freeze. Then the crook could take you gun and kill you and your family with it.

Killing people is not as easy as you think. Pulling the trigger is easy. Actually doing so is mental and emotional.
 
2012-12-24 11:30:08 AM
Mommy, what time is daddy coming home tonight? It's Christmas eve.

/so sad
 
2012-12-24 11:30:33 AM
I could care less about gun laws. Sure, I'd prefer keeping them legal so I can get them legitimately, but if they're banned... I'd still get one if I wanted one, fark the government.
 
2012-12-24 11:30:38 AM
So these hypothetical guards, are they to have brown or black shirts?

/I'm asking for a friend.
 
2012-12-24 11:30:45 AM


Why do cops carry openly? Intimidation.



Cause it's inconvenient to ask the criminal to nicely hold on while i retrieve my sidearm from under my clothing? That and it's a real pain in the ass to hide my fire arm while my shirt is tucked into my pants under a really heavy belt holding the rest of my crap... If only someone thought of a way to carry my fire arm that wasn't a pain in the ass, was readily available to use and didn't force to me undress when I wanted it.. Oh wait, they did!
 
2012-12-24 11:31:07 AM

Infernalist: Right. How could you possibly assume that the guy you loaned your gun to is going hunting, or that he wants to defend his home. That couldn't possibly be what he's going to do with it because all guns are bad, bad, bad.

Handguns are not designed for hunting. Nor assault rifles. Now, if he comes and borrows your hunting rifle, that's one thing and a completely different case.

But handguns and assault rifles are not 'hunting weapons' at all. As for defending his home? From whom? Isn't that why we have police? Alarm systems? Dogs? Tasers?


Depends on where you live. There are a lot of people in this country that live more than a half hour away from a law enforcement response. That's a long time to wait when someone is trying to break into your house/garage/shop. Is it ideal? Of course not. But that doesn't change the fact that a lot of people use weapons for self defense and have for literally hundreds of years.
 
2012-12-24 11:31:14 AM
"Looks like the police have themselves a recreational vehicle."
 
2012-12-24 11:31:35 AM

lordjupiter: It seems we have different definitions of those things.


Potentially, but that doesn't matter. What matters is how I'm seeing and who I'm calling out.

None of your rationalizations change what I said, which is that you characterize anything that might make you feel bad as MADD tactics; which, even if assumed to be true, for some reason is supposed to be an insult.

No I don't - go back and look what needlenuts had posted. It was pictures of one of the young girls who died in the horrific shooting and then proceeded to berate all of us for not agreeing to his plan of weapon confiscation and other unconstitutional acts which would not, in any way, actually work nor stop these crimes. That's how MADD worked. Maybe if you actually went back and read the thread, it'd help you look less silly?

I don't think you ever answered my question the other day about whether or not you think drunk driving is OK.  You gave some nonsensical response about 0% BAC or something, which I guess is possibly indicative of some belief that you have a special ability to drive after drinking more than other people, or something.  Still not sure what your hangup is.  Not that it makes one bit of difference because IT IS YET ANOTHER DISTRACTION.

Well, obviously you've failed. That wasn't me. Maybe you should go back and read that thread instead of making false accusations.

Back on topic...

Yes - let's get there. What are your exact suggestions? How would they work? Are they Constitutional? What measurement would you use to show success?
 
2012-12-24 11:31:39 AM
So subby...been a troll since you were born, or was it more a process of de-evolution? My theory is that you were breast feed by your mother until you were 5 and your mom would threaten to take you and leave your father if he even looked sternly at you, but please, enlighten us.

/oh and...what happened to the firefighters could have been pulled off with a bolt action rifle or any hunting rifle really, so any talk of this making any case for the banning of "assault weapons" is just more trolling
 
2012-12-24 11:31:59 AM

Infernalist: DrExplosion: Infernalist: But handguns and assault rifles are not 'hunting weapons' at all. As for defending his home? From whom? Isn't that why we have police? Alarm systems? Dogs? Tasers?

None of those things works half as well as being able to shoot the guy who broke into your house. Killing people isn't always bad.

I'm sure Lanza thought the same thing.


Yes, I'm sure he thought he lived in that school and was confused and terrified at all the children who were invading it with the intent to harm him.

Really, though, you're seriously equating self-defense with mass murder? In your mind, there is absolutely no justification for ever killing another human being, and all killings are morally equal? Is this accurate? I know from looking at the rest of the thread that you're either a troll or a retard, I just want to hear you say it.
 
2012-12-24 11:32:06 AM

Infernalist: Handguns are not designed for hunting. Nor assault rifles. Now, if he comes and borrows your hunting rifle, that's one thing and a completely different case.

But handguns and assault rifles are not 'hunting weapons' at all. As for defending his home? From whom? Isn't that why we have police? Alarm systems? Dogs? Tasers?


And there are absolutely handguns that are designed for hunting. There are even entire seasons in some states that are limited to handgun hunting only.
 
2012-12-24 11:33:32 AM

Scerpes: Infernalist: Right. How could you possibly assume that the guy you loaned your gun to is going hunting, or that he wants to defend his home. That couldn't possibly be what he's going to do with it because all guns are bad, bad, bad.

Handguns are not designed for hunting. Nor assault rifles. Now, if he comes and borrows your hunting rifle, that's one thing and a completely different case.

But handguns and assault rifles are not 'hunting weapons' at all. As for defending his home? From whom? Isn't that why we have police? Alarm systems? Dogs? Tasers?

Depends on where you live. There are a lot of people in this country that live more than a half hour away from a law enforcement response. That's a long time to wait when someone is trying to break into your house/garage/shop. Is it ideal? Of course not. But that doesn't change the fact that a lot of people use weapons for self defense and have for literally hundreds of years.


People owned slaves for literally thousands of years.
 
2012-12-24 11:34:35 AM

Infernalist: Scerpes: Infernalist: Right. How could you possibly assume that the guy you loaned your gun to is going hunting, or that he wants to defend his home. That couldn't possibly be what he's going to do with it because all guns are bad, bad, bad.

Handguns are not designed for hunting. Nor assault rifles. Now, if he comes and borrows your hunting rifle, that's one thing and a completely different case.

But handguns and assault rifles are not 'hunting weapons' at all. As for defending his home? From whom? Isn't that why we have police? Alarm systems? Dogs? Tasers?

Depends on where you live. There are a lot of people in this country that live more than a half hour away from a law enforcement response. That's a long time to wait when someone is trying to break into your house/garage/shop. Is it ideal? Of course not. But that doesn't change the fact that a lot of people use weapons for self defense and have for literally hundreds of years.

People owned slaves for literally thousands of years.


That's the equivalent of Godwinning the thread. You should be very ashamed.
 
2012-12-24 11:34:57 AM

DrExplosion: Infernalist: But handguns and assault rifles are not 'hunting weapons' at all. As for defending his home? From whom? Isn't that why we have police? Alarm systems? Dogs? Tasers?

None of those things works half as well as being able to shoot the guy who broke into your house. Killing people isn't always bad.


Armed home invasions, like meteors and lightning strikes, are not a problem you need to mitigate.

If your solution causes a bigger problem than it solves, then it is not much of a solution.
 
2012-12-24 11:35:12 AM

DrExplosion: Infernalist: DrExplosion: Infernalist: But handguns and assault rifles are not 'hunting weapons' at all. As for defending his home? From whom? Isn't that why we have police? Alarm systems? Dogs? Tasers?

None of those things works half as well as being able to shoot the guy who broke into your house. Killing people isn't always bad.

I'm sure Lanza thought the same thing.

Yes, I'm sure he thought he lived in that school and was confused and terrified at all the children who were invading it with the intent to harm him.

Really, though, you're seriously equating self-defense with mass murder? In your mind, there is absolutely no justification for ever killing another human being, and all killings are morally equal? Is this accurate? I know from looking at the rest of the thread that you're either a troll or a retard, I just want to hear you say it.


You statement was..."Killing people isn't always bad." I simply pointed out that Lanza would have agreed with you. If you have a problem with that, too farking bad. The truth hurts.
 
2012-12-24 11:35:16 AM

Infernalist: Depends on where you live. There are a lot of people in this country that live more than a half hour away from a law enforcement response. That's a long time to wait when someone is trying to break into your house/garage/shop. Is it ideal? Of course not. But that doesn't change the fact that a lot of people use weapons for self defense and have for literally hundreds of years.

People owned slaves for literally thousands of years.


Your dumbest response of the day. Congrats.
 
2012-12-24 11:35:19 AM
The Catch 22 of firearms is that the more guns in the hands of the law abiding, the more guns in the hands of criminals.

It is true criminals don't obey gun laws. So, manufacturing limitations must be considered. Automatics are quite rare.

The "Guns as religion" crowd have fallen for firearms manufacturer propaganda hook, line and sinker.

It was unbelievable nothing was done after Virginia Tech. I will be both disgusted and impressed if nothing is done after the 2012 mass shootings. Ultimately it's a combination of the voting public's fault and the politicians' fault. The politicians have created a system of legalized bribery by which they obtain money. The public has shrugged and accepted it.
 
2012-12-24 11:35:32 AM

iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.


I always wondered why the police don't serve and protect automagically like they're supposed to.  Why the hell should a public institution need to hire members of the local police force to protect them when that's what they are supposed to be farking doing in the first farking place.

Free market something something bullshiat
 
2012-12-24 11:35:53 AM

Amos Quito: I suspect that the shooter (death wish) torched his own house with the intent of shooting firefighters on arrival.

Why? I have no idea.


I was thinking it was probably somebody who's house was being foreclosed on and instead of letting the bank have it, torched it, and decided to take out anybody that tried to stop it from burning.
 
2012-12-24 11:36:48 AM

Delecrious: I could care less about gun laws. Sure, I'd prefer keeping them legal so I can get them legitimately, but if they're banned... I'd still get one if I wanted one, fark the government.


nice to know that you are a law abiding citizen. Why is it that so many of you gun nuts are anti-government but you tell us that you are protecting the government and us?
 
2012-12-24 11:36:58 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Scerpes: cameroncrazy1984: Scerpes: Infernalist: I guess you've never been behind the wheel of a car.

Cars are not designed to kill people.

Hmmm...and yet they kill more than guns. I guess that's just a sad byproduct.

By 2014 they won't. Also, cars are heavily regulated. Imagine if they weren't.

If only you had to wait 14 days to buy a new car.

In New York, currently you have to have your license for a year before you can use it at night.


Doesn't seem to help.....
 
2012-12-24 11:37:23 AM

ronaprhys: Infernalist: Scerpes: Infernalist: Right. How could you possibly assume that the guy you loaned your gun to is going hunting, or that he wants to defend his home. That couldn't possibly be what he's going to do with it because all guns are bad, bad, bad.

Handguns are not designed for hunting. Nor assault rifles. Now, if he comes and borrows your hunting rifle, that's one thing and a completely different case.

But handguns and assault rifles are not 'hunting weapons' at all. As for defending his home? From whom? Isn't that why we have police? Alarm systems? Dogs? Tasers?

Depends on where you live. There are a lot of people in this country that live more than a half hour away from a law enforcement response. That's a long time to wait when someone is trying to break into your house/garage/shop. Is it ideal? Of course not. But that doesn't change the fact that a lot of people use weapons for self defense and have for literally hundreds of years.

People owned slaves for literally thousands of years.

That's the equivalent of Godwinning the thread. You should be very ashamed.


On the contrary. I merely used the fact that slavery was not just accepted but 'expected' in most societies for many thousands of years. In fact, it wasn't until relatively recently that it fell into the category of 'immoral'.

It's an effort to show that just because something is currently acceptable in society, that doesn't make it truly acceptable or moral.

tl;dr version: Shiat changes.
 
2012-12-24 11:38:20 AM

Scerpes: Infernalist: Depends on where you live. There are a lot of people in this country that live more than a half hour away from a law enforcement response. That's a long time to wait when someone is trying to break into your house/garage/shop. Is it ideal? Of course not. But that doesn't change the fact that a lot of people use weapons for self defense and have for literally hundreds of years.

People owned slaves for literally thousands of years.

Your dumbest response of the day. Congrats.


Defeat the logic or admit defeat, son.
 
2012-12-24 11:38:40 AM

Mondak: "Looks like the police have themselves a recreational vehicle."


Arg! No!
"RV". He says RV. I know it's the same thing, but your quote is incorrect.

Damn people who quote incorrectly! I'll kill you! I'll kill you all!
 
2012-12-24 11:38:43 AM

amoral: chuckufarlie: Mr. Eugenides: chuckufarlie: Mr. Eugenides: czei: I get it: gun violence is caused by liberals working for Obama has part of a grand conspiracy to take away our guns?

I don't know that they're working for Obama or are working to take away our guns, but yeah, I doubt any of the recent mass shooters were registered as Republicans. In fact, a fair number of them (Side show bob and Loughner) seem to have been Democratic activists of sorts.

right, the kid's mother was a survivalist. How many survivalists do you think are Democrats? The kid grew up in a Republican household.

The idea that these maniacs are working to take away your guns is incredibly stupid. They do not have a political agenda, they are pissed and want to take it out on people.

You should go find a mental health professional and have a nice long talk. They cannot cure stupid, but they can help with the crazy.

Interesting; you make some fatuous leaps and then insult me without providing a shred of corroboration for your assertions. But somehow you're actually proud of your skill at debate aren't you?

this is not a debate, you moron. You are either crazy or stupid, possibly and more likely you are both, You post is proof of it.

Buddy, you are so worked up that your typing and spelling has broken down. That's like waving the white flag in an internet argument. Everyone who reads this knows you lost, and that you lost so badly that you are agitated.


yea, I left out an R so that means that I have lost. You came into this with no brain, You lost before you started.
 
2012-12-24 11:39:25 AM

chuckufarlie: DrExplosion: Infernalist: But handguns and assault rifles are not 'hunting weapons' at all. As for defending his home? From whom? Isn't that why we have police? Alarm systems? Dogs? Tasers?

None of those things works half as well as being able to shoot the guy who broke into your house. Killing people isn't always bad.

Most people, when confronted by the situation would freeze. Then the crook could take you gun and kill you and your family with it.

Killing people is not as easy as you think. Pulling the trigger is easy. Actually doing so is mental and emotional.


Killing people is exactly as easy as I think. I'm a veteran. I've done it before.

My first time, I had never killed anyone before. I had only trained. When the moment came, I didn't hesitate. Don't try to tell me that what I've done is impossible and people should not be afforded the opportunity to defend themselves. The alternative is to force them to put themselves entirely at the mercy of those who would do them harm. I'll take "I might not successfully defend myself" over "I sure hope this big mean guy stops beating me before I die" any day.
 
2012-12-24 11:39:54 AM

cameroncrazy1984: david_gaithersburg: Oh the outrage, how dare they make a sensible statement such as having city schools be patrolled by city police officers. That would call fro removing the police from the doughnut shops.

Ooh, it was a good try up until the easy spelling error.


I would argue that the spelling error was the clincher.
 
2012-12-24 11:40:22 AM

ows: and it will turn out to be a 5 shot bolt operated hunting rifle.

obama will outlaw all guns. well , he'll try anyway.


i'm sorry for your loss.
 
2012-12-24 11:41:01 AM

Infernalist: Handguns are not designed for hunting. Nor assault rifles. Now, if he comes and borrows your hunting rifle, that's one thing and a completely different case.

But handguns and assault rifles are not 'hunting weapons' at all. As for defending his home? From whom? Isn't that why we have police? Alarm systems? Dogs? Tasers?


The only way one can own an assault rifle is to file very significant amounts of papework, subject themselves to a thorough background check, drop thousands of dollars to actually buy the rifle, etc. On top of that, those that are legally purchased aren't used for crimes to any appreciable degree. What you're probably thinking about are "evil black rifles", something that looks like but is not an assault rifle. Get your terms correct.

As for their use in hunting, they actually do quite well for specific types of game. However, since game varies in size, method of locomotion, environment, and several other characteristics, a wide range of firearms are desirable. Just like a wide range of golf clubs are desirable.

Now, to address your point on the police - one reason we have them is deterrence. The larger reason is to investigate and apprehend criminals after the fact - which is the larger part of their deterrent impact. Consequences and all, but that's the entire legal system, not just the police. You are responsible for your own security and the law has shown, time and time again, the the police are not legally responsible for stopping someone from violating your rights.
 
2012-12-24 11:42:21 AM

DrExplosion: chuckufarlie: DrExplosion: Infernalist: But handguns and assault rifles are not 'hunting weapons' at all. As for defending his home? From whom? Isn't that why we have police? Alarm systems? Dogs? Tasers?

None of those things works half as well as being able to shoot the guy who broke into your house. Killing people isn't always bad.

Most people, when confronted by the situation would freeze. Then the crook could take you gun and kill you and your family with it.

Killing people is not as easy as you think. Pulling the trigger is easy. Actually doing so is mental and emotional.

Killing people is exactly as easy as I think. I'm a veteran. I've done it before.

My first time, I had never killed anyone before. I had only trained. When the moment came, I didn't hesitate. Don't try to tell me that what I've done is impossible and people should not be afforded the opportunity to defend themselves. The alternative is to force them to put themselves entirely at the mercy of those who would do them harm. I'll take "I might not successfully defend myself" over "I sure hope this big mean guy stops beating me before I die" any day.

 
2012-12-24 11:43:43 AM

ronaprhys: Infernalist: Handguns are not designed for hunting. Nor assault rifles. Now, if he comes and borrows your hunting rifle, that's one thing and a completely different case.

But handguns and assault rifles are not 'hunting weapons' at all. As for defending his home? From whom? Isn't that why we have police? Alarm systems? Dogs? Tasers?

The only way one can own an assault rifle is to file very significant amounts of papework, subject themselves to a thorough background check, drop thousands of dollars to actually buy the rifle, etc. On top of that, those that are legally purchased aren't used for crimes to any appreciable degree. What you're probably thinking about are "evil black rifles", something that looks like but is not an assault rifle. Get your terms correct.

As for their use in hunting, they actually do quite well for specific types of game. However, since game varies in size, method of locomotion, environment, and several other characteristics, a wide range of firearms are desirable. Just like a wide range of golf clubs are desirable.

Now, to address your point on the police - one reason we have them is deterrence. The larger reason is to investigate and apprehend criminals after the fact - which is the larger part of their deterrent impact. Consequences and all, but that's the entire legal system, not just the police. You are responsible for your own security and the law has shown, time and time again, the the police are not legally responsible for stopping someone from violating your rights.


Assault rifles are not hunting rifles. Saying it doesn't make it true. They're designed for the intent to kill people, not animals.
 
2012-12-24 11:43:48 AM

Infernalist: On the contrary. I merely used the fact that slavery was not just accepted but 'expected' in most societies for many thousands of years. In fact, it wasn't until relatively recently that it fell into the category of 'immoral'.

It's an effort to show that just because something is currently acceptable in society, that doesn't make it truly acceptable or moral.

tl;dr version: Shiat changes.


Yeah - and dictators existed for thousands of years. Doesn't make Godwinning acceptable in a thread. Try again.
 
2012-12-24 11:44:55 AM

hdhale: So subby...been a troll since you were born, or was it more a process of de-evolution? My theory is that you were breast feed by your mother until you were 5 and your mom would threaten to take you and leave your father if he even looked sternly at you, but please, enlighten us.

/oh and...what happened to the firefighters could have been pulled off with a bolt action rifle or any hunting rifle really, so any talk of this making any case for the banning of "assault weapons" is just more trolling


Wayne, is that you?

/Not subby
//slashies
 
2012-12-24 11:45:33 AM

Infernalist: Assault rifles are not hunting rifles. Saying it doesn't make it true. They're designed for the intent to kill people, not animals.


They are used every day to hunt a wide variety of animals. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it untrue.
 
2012-12-24 11:45:56 AM

tonguedepressor: KarmicDisaster: Orgasmatron138: ongbok: Cataholic: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

And by "armed guards", you mean one police officer who was off campus eating lunch in his car.

By armed he means armed with a radio and a whistle like at most non gang riddled high schools.

I would like to see a citation that the Columbine school security were armed when that shooting happened.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/columbine-armed-guards_n_234 7 096.html

He shot at the attackers and missed. Oops.

The problem is that you are expecting a guy that stands there day after day after day for years on end in the most boring job ever, to go from most boring job ever to full on expert marksman against pumped up crazies in a fraction of a second with no warning. Just does not happen.

I also think we should utilize military personnel to guard our schools and equip 'em w/ the firepower necessary and make use of "panic buttons" that could employ them on scene asap.

Columbine guards didn't even know what was going down til it was far too late.


It is not even legal to use the military in that manner. Beyond that, the idea that we have to go from one fortified position to the next is hardly what I would call freedom. Put guards at schools and the idiots will attack malls (as they have already done), put guards at the malls and the idiots will attack cinemas (as they already have). Where do you think it will stop? Maybe we should just ban any meeting of more than two people. Maybe we should shred 9 of the 10 Bill of Rights in order to protect the one.

If we are going to live in freedom without worrying about somebody shooting up a school, or a mall or a cinema then we have to eliminate the guns that are being used - rifles that utilize magazines.
 
2012-12-24 11:46:09 AM

amoral: DrExplosion: Infernalist: But handguns and assault rifles are not 'hunting weapons' at all. As for defending his home? From whom? Isn't that why we have police? Alarm systems? Dogs? Tasers?

None of those things works half as well as being able to shoot the guy who broke into your house. Killing people isn't always bad.

Armed home invasions, like meteors and lightning strikes, are not a problem you need to mitigate.

If your solution causes a bigger problem than it solves, then it is not much of a solution.


Mass shootings are even less common. By your own logic, they are not a problem you need to mitigate.

I also fail to see how one dead bad guy would be a bigger problem than my own family being the victims. Unless of course you mean to imply that my (few) guns are somehow responsible for the acts of madmen across the country, or that the simple fact that I am armed is causing irreparable damage to society as a whole.
 
2012-12-24 11:47:33 AM
Stop shooting and start loving.
 
2012-12-24 11:47:51 AM

Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.


And he was outside, in the opposite end of the building at the time of the shooting (catching the deadly smokers). It took him five minutes to get to the cafeteria (he was notified three minutes into the shooting, and it took him two minutes to get to the cafeteria), enough time to kill a good number of kids even with a snub-nosed 22. He did exchange fire twice in the shootout, which diverted their attention from shooting the students, saving lives. If the security guard wasn't there, the massacre would have been a heck of a lot worse, since the police were preoccupied with a bomb they detonated someplace else. Grant you if the officer was closer (it is a large campus), it might not have stopped the two from killing anyone, but he did in fact save a lot of lives that day, at least as a diversion.

At my school (which has armed police), he is just down the hall, and doesn't leave the school while in session (not even to the parking lot, that's what the principal and his team is for). He can get to the reception area in seconds (and the doors all over the rest of the building lock upon start of school). Also, during lunch he would be near the lunchroom, watching the kids eat. Backup's less than a minute away for him, and since he is a police officer, he has proper two-way communication.

There are a lot of things to be learned from any shootings, but alas, it has to come at a price, much like script-kiddies and computer attacks.
 
2012-12-24 11:48:37 AM
Personally , Cars kill more kids then school shootings in this country...

BAN CARS!!!
 
2012-12-24 11:49:59 AM

Kit Fister: I don't own guns to fight the government. I own guns because they're fun to shoot, and where I'm at, I'm much less likely to have a cop show up should I need one before I'm dead than I am to have a cop save my ass. I hunt, I shoot competitively, and I occasionally work security.

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it.

Besides, the first rule of war if it came to it: Kill the enemy, take his weapons, and use his supply lines against him.

I don't even need a gun, just need to get close and have a weapon.


Ok there Rambo
 
2012-12-24 11:50:02 AM

Scerpes: Infernalist: Assault rifles are not hunting rifles. Saying it doesn't make it true. They're designed for the intent to kill people, not animals.

They are used every day to hunt a wide variety of animals. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it untrue.


The fact that they are being used to hunt any animal but feral hogs does not mean that they should be, What sort of a hunter fires off a three round burst to bring down any game animal? If you need an automatic weapon to be a successful hunter, you need to find another hobby.
 
2012-12-24 11:50:07 AM

hdhale: So subby...been a troll since you were born, or was it more a process of de-evolution? My theory is that you were breast feed by your mother until you were 5 and your mom would threaten to take you and leave your father if he even looked sternly at you, but please, enlighten us.

/oh and...what happened to the firefighters could have been pulled off with a bolt action rifle or any hunting rifle really, so any talk of this making any case for the banning of "assault weapons" is just more trolling



People like YOU are the reason nothing will be done and more people will get shot.
Look at all the butthurt you put into your answer to Subby's little humorous jab at recent events.
One joke and it's all OH YA?! WELL FARK YOU!!

You are the stereotype people see when they see gun owners and....you're not helping.
 
2012-12-24 11:51:17 AM

MassAsster: Personally , Cars kill more kids then school shootings in this country...

BAN CARS!!!


this has been explained time and time again and yet there is always another moron that comes along to make an asinine statement.
 
2012-12-24 11:51:30 AM

Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: snocone: Infernalist: I'll be the first one to come out and admit it.

I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.


You really work at the stupid, eh?

lol insult. You got anything else?

Question, not insult.
Read a lot?

That's all you got? Another insult? Why not address the post? Or can you not?

Maybe if I put it in braille???

Got nothing to contribute, huh? Okay.


You two should get a room... we can all feel the sexual tension from here...
 
2012-12-24 11:51:43 AM

chuckufarlie: Scerpes: Infernalist: Assault rifles are not hunting rifles. Saying it doesn't make it true. They're designed for the intent to kill people, not animals.

They are used every day to hunt a wide variety of animals. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it untrue.

The fact that they are being used to hunt any animal but feral hogs does not mean that they should be, What sort of a hunter fires off a three round burst to bring down any game animal? If you need an automatic weapon to be a successful hunter, you need to find another hobby.


Semi-auto, chief. Automatic weapons are heavily restricted, expensive, and difficult to get.
 
2012-12-24 11:52:27 AM

Delecrious: I could care less about gun laws. Sure, I'd prefer keeping them legal so I can get them legitimately, but if they're banned... I'd still get one if I wanted one, fark the government.


And that's the other logical disconnect from the gun slurpers.  They're afraid of the government more than anything else, as illustrated by their distrust for it.  And if the government bans guns they want, then they will be "criminalized" by a government they distrust in the first place.

So if you don't trust the government, and think you can defeat it in a necessary armed revolt, then why do you care what the law is?  You can OPENLY  talk about overthrowing the government, but you think you're oppressed to the point of tyranny?  You OPENLY talk about rebellion being the reason for your guns, but you NEED THEM TO BE LEGAL to fight the oppressive government?  Wouldn't a true rebel in a country with an evil, tyrannical government NOT CARE if the guns he wanted were illegal, because he'd be trying to overthrow them anyway?

And let's not have a database of gun owners, BUT let's have a database and testing of all citizens who might buy or handle guns, so theoretically we can ban them from access to them???

How does any of this make sense?  That's right:  it doesn't.
 
2012-12-24 11:52:45 AM

chuckufarlie: Scerpes: Infernalist: Assault rifles are not hunting rifles. Saying it doesn't make it true. They're designed for the intent to kill people, not animals.

They are used every day to hunt a wide variety of animals. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it untrue.

The fact that they are being used to hunt any animal but feral hogs does not mean that they should be, What sort of a hunter fires off a three round burst to bring down any game animal? If you need an automatic weapon to be a successful hunter, you need to find another hobby.



yeah... Minus the fact that you need a federal tax stamp to have a rifle that fires three round bursts, and your standard "assault rifle" is simply a semi-auto rifle... You came so close to sounding like you knew what you were talking about though... A+ for effort.
 
2012-12-24 11:52:51 AM

People_are_Idiots: Verrai: iheartscotch: I always wondered why more schools don't employ a few members of the local police force to provide security.

/ I know a few do, but not all.

Columbine High School had armed guards.

And he was outside, in the opposite end of the building at the time of the shooting (catching the deadly smokers). It took him five minutes to get to the cafeteria (he was notified three minutes into the shooting, and it took him two minutes to get to the cafeteria), enough time to kill a good number of kids even with a snub-nosed 22. He did exchange fire twice in the shootout, which diverted their attention from shooting the students, saving lives. If the security guard wasn't there, the massacre would have been a heck of a lot worse, since the police were preoccupied with a bomb they detonated someplace else. Grant you if the officer was closer (it is a large campus), it might not have stopped the two from killing anyone, but he did in fact save a lot of lives that day, at least as a diversion.

At my school (which has armed police), he is just down the hall, and doesn't leave the school while in session (not even to the parking lot, that's what the principal and his team is for). He can get to the reception area in seconds (and the doors all over the rest of the building lock upon start of school). Also, during lunch he would be near the lunchroom, watching the kids eat. Backup's less than a minute away for him, and since he is a police officer, he has proper two-way communication.

There are a lot of things to be learned from any shootings, but alas, it has to come at a price, much like script-kiddies and computer attacks.


The price is now too high. The rifles that use magazines need to be collected and taken to a blast furnace.
 
2012-12-24 11:53:13 AM

BalugaJoe: Stop shooting and start loving.


But it's right at the end of loving that the shooting starts!

/shooting blanks.
 
2012-12-24 11:53:20 AM

Waxing_Chewbacca: Have there been a rash of incidents in which people use a car as a weapon? Driving them into crowds on purpose?


i.imgur.com

/i keed
//was not on purpose
 
2012-12-24 11:53:47 AM

Infernalist: ronaprhys: Infernalist: Handguns are not designed for hunting. Nor assault rifles. Now, if he comes and borrows your hunting rifle, that's one thing and a completely different case.

But handguns and assault rifles are not 'hunting weapons' at all. As for defending his home? From whom? Isn't that why we have police? Alarm systems? Dogs? Tasers?

The only way one can own an assault rifle is to file very significant amounts of papework, subject themselves to a thorough background check, drop thousands of dollars to actually buy the rifle, etc. On top of that, those that are legally purchased aren't used for crimes to any appreciable degree. What you're probably thinking about are "evil black rifles", something that looks like but is not an assault rifle. Get your terms correct.

As for their use in hunting, they actually do quite well for specific types of game. However, since game varies in size, method of locomotion, environment, and several other characteristics, a wide range of firearms are desirable. Just like a wide range of golf clubs are desirable.

Now, to address your point on the police - one reason we have them is deterrence. The larger reason is to investigate and apprehend criminals after the fact - which is the larger part of their deterrent impact. Consequences and all, but that's the entire legal system, not just the police. You are responsible for your own security and the law has shown, time and time again, the the police are not legally responsible for stopping someone from violating your rights.

Assault rifles are not hunting rifles. Saying it doesn't make it true. They're designed for the intent to kill people, not animals.


So did our forefathers write a Constitution to protect your right to shoot squirrels or people?
The hunting weapon thingie is a strawman adhoiminenium fark all lie.
The Constitution addresses anti personnel guns. The best the times could provide.
 
2012-12-24 11:53:53 AM

Scerpes: Infernalist: I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

Fantastic. You go ahead and start on that Constitutional Amendment.


How about this: make getting any type of gun require a background check prior to purchase. Most states already require that for handguns. Require training in use and safe storage of guns. Make the owner legally liable for any mischief committed by the guns.

There, done.
 
2012-12-24 11:54:26 AM

Infernalist: DrExplosion: Infernalist: DrExplosion: Infernalist: But handguns and assault rifles are not 'hunting weapons' at all. As for defending his home? From whom? Isn't that why we have police? Alarm systems? Dogs? Tasers?

None of those things works half as well as being able to shoot the guy who broke into your house. Killing people isn't always bad.

I'm sure Lanza thought the same thing.

Yes, I'm sure he thought he lived in that school and was confused and terrified at all the children who were invading it with the intent to harm him.

Really, though, you're seriously equating self-defense with mass murder? In your mind, there is absolutely no justification for ever killing another human being, and all killings are morally equal? Is this accurate? I know from looking at the rest of the thread that you're either a troll or a retard, I just want to hear you say it.

You statement was..."Killing people isn't always bad." I simply pointed out that Lanza would have agreed with you. If you have a problem with that, too farking bad. The truth hurts.


Hitler would have agreed with me if I said the sky was blue. This doesn't make me wrong. Perhaps you would like to explain why I am wrong in thinking that sometimes people need to die. Share with me that "truth" which hurts so much. It seems to me that your "truth" is that nobody ever needs to kill anyone else under any circumstances. Is this correct?
 
2012-12-24 11:54:26 AM

MassAsster: Personally , Cars kill more kids then school shootings in this country...

BAN CARS!!!


Banning cars would not work. Cars are necessary. Banning guns would not work. Guns are clearly allowed under the second amendment. Regulating cars helps reduce the death rate.  Regulating guns similarly to cars would help. Training, testing, registration and insurance.
 
2012-12-24 11:54:48 AM

ronaprhys: lordjupiter: It seems we have different definitions of those things.

Potentially, but that doesn't matter. What matters is how I'm seeing and who I'm calling out.

None of your rationalizations change what I said, which is that you characterize anything that might make you feel bad as MADD tactics; which, even if assumed to be true, for some reason is supposed to be an insult.

No I don't - go back and look what needlenuts had posted. It was pictures of one of the young girls who died in the horrific shooting and then proceeded to berate all of us for not agreeing to his plan of weapon confiscation and other unconstitutional acts which would not, in any way, actually work nor stop these crimes. That's how MADD worked. Maybe if you actually went back and read the thread, it'd help you look less silly?

I don't think you ever answered my question the other day about whether or not you think drunk driving is OK.  You gave some nonsensical response about 0% BAC or something, which I guess is possibly indicative of some belief that you have a special ability to drive after drinking more than other people, or something.  Still not sure what your hangup is.  Not that it makes one bit of difference because IT IS YET ANOTHER DISTRACTION.

Well, obviously you've failed. That wasn't me. Maybe you should go back and read that thread instead of making false accusations.

Back on topic...

Yes - let's get there. What are your exact suggestions? How would they work? Are they Constitutional? What measurement would you use to show success?


The usual last resort:  "what's YOUR plan??"

You don't want a plan, you want something you can ignore and line-item with shiatty retorts.  I have my own ideas as does everyone else, but I'm not a lawmaker or an expert who can determine the cut-off lines for ballistics or regulations.  My suggestion is, and always has been, for the gun lobby astroturfers to stop blocking the discussion.  Start with that.
 
2012-12-24 11:54:50 AM

letrole: BronyMedic: I agree. It's high time we turned from the wicked sinful choice of homosexuality, and back to Jesus H Christ, our lord and savior.


But the guns have always been there. Something has changed.

Care to wager about the shooter being a disaffected young white male?


The guns have always been there and these things have always happened. This shiat isn't new, man.
 
2012-12-24 11:54:51 AM
Jesus wanted these two sheep back in his flock, so He obviously sent His messenger to bring these firemen sheep to His bosom.

Praise Jesus!
 
2012-12-24 11:55:07 AM
Hey guys, there is a lot of hate in this thread. It's not helping.

Local news is having a press conference with local authorities. More info will come out. Working theory is that this was a trap intentionally set.
 
2012-12-24 11:56:19 AM
Just think.
Tomorrow a new gun will be invented that you never thought of.

How about a drone? Watch how fast those puppies get put up.
 
2012-12-24 11:56:23 AM

Coastalgrl: Hey guys, there is a lot of hate in this thread. It's not helping.

Local news is having a press conference with local authorities. More info will come out. Working theory is that this was a trap intentionally set.


The fark? A trap. Unreal.
 
2012-12-24 11:56:28 AM

Easy Reader: If I was believing in conspiracies, I'd say shooting firefighters working a fire was the most perfectly timed next step toward villainizing guns and gun people.


If we have a shooting at a puppy farm next week, I'll give you credit for being on to something.
 
2012-12-24 11:56:34 AM

MassAsster: chuckufarlie: Scerpes: Infernalist: Assault rifles are not hunting rifles. Saying it doesn't make it true. They're designed for the intent to kill people, not animals.

They are used every day to hunt a wide variety of animals. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it untrue.

The fact that they are being used to hunt any animal but feral hogs does not mean that they should be, What sort of a hunter fires off a three round burst to bring down any game animal? If you need an automatic weapon to be a successful hunter, you need to find another hobby.


yeah... Minus the fact that you need a federal tax stamp to have a rifle that fires three round bursts, and your standard "assault rifle" is simply a semi-auto rifle... You came so close to sounding like you knew what you were talking about though... A+ for effort.


Are you saying that you cannot fire off a three round burst with a semi-automatic? All you need to do is pull the trigger three times fast. Is that something that you cannot grasp?

I am not going to use labels like assault rifle so that people like you can debate what is or is not an assault rifle, an assault weapon or whatever. You are arguing semantics. Do you understand what semantics is?

I simply state that we need to confiscate and make illegal all rifles that utilize a magazine or a clip. Screw semantics.
 
2012-12-24 11:56:53 AM
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Berlin, February, 1933.

assets.nydailynews.com

New York, December, 2012.

Sweeping societal changes followed the former, and I suspect they will follow the latter as well.
 
2012-12-24 11:57:02 AM

Hal5423: Natsumi: I don't know if this has been asked before and please be nice... I don't live in America...
What is it with people and guns in America? Really?
I mean we (in Namibia) are avid hunters and such but we don't really take it to this level.

Ons hou van gewere en ons wil dinge om te skiet.


Hah... het nie dit verwag nie...
 
2012-12-24 11:57:51 AM

FlashHarry: ows: and it will turn out to be a 5 shot bolt operated hunting rifle.

obama will outlaw all guns. well , he'll try anyway.

i'm sorry for your loss.


Win.  Thread over.
 
2012-12-24 11:58:01 AM

dr_blasto: letrole: BronyMedic: I agree. It's high time we turned from the wicked sinful choice of homosexuality, and back to Jesus H Christ, our lord and savior.


But the guns have always been there. Something has changed.

Care to wager about the shooter being a disaffected young white male?

The guns have always been there and these things have always happened. This shiat isn't new, man.


The fact that this is not new is no reason to take all possible steps to make sure it does not happen again.
 
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2012-12-24 11:58:02 AM

KarmicDisaster: Scerpes: Waxing_Chewbacca: Scerpes: Waxing_Chewbacca: david_gaithersburg: Oh the outrage, how dare they make a sensible statement such as having city schools be patrolled by city police officers. That would call fro removing the police from the doughnut shops.

This was at a fire. Idiot. Take your 2nd amendment and jam it up your ass

What other civil rights do you hate?

Is there another which you the tools to kill with speed, efficiency and devastation?

I guess you've never been behind the wheel of a car.

We register cars and drivers and require licensing and theoretical testing and a practical test and full legal ID and insurance to drive one.


That is true and yet my sister was hit by an unlicensed driver, in an unregistered car with no insurance.
For the record: I am not attempting to compare guns to cars/cutlery/sponge cake/dildos/etc....
I am merely pointing out that miscreants will break laws without regard or worry of the consequences.
Oh, and this guy was in a minvan FULL of his kin and kids, not a seatbelt among them, even for the 2 year old!


/criminals, how do they behave?
//think i am full of it? email me and i will send you an un-redacted copy of the police report, you cant make this stuff up
 
2012-12-24 11:59:02 AM

Fapinator: [img689.imageshack.us image 729x600]

Too soon?


The very first shiathead to go on my ignore list. You're not edgy, cool, funny or jaded. You're just sad.
 
2012-12-24 11:59:04 AM

Mouser: You don't see any Assyrians around these days, do you? At one point they were one of the most powerful empires in the Middle East, until their entire civilization collapsed practically overnight.


Hey, we survived Y2K. We are a hardy race.
 
2012-12-24 11:59:46 AM

Angry Monkey: Scerpes: Infernalist: I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

Fantastic. You go ahead and start on that Constitutional Amendment.

How about this: make getting any type of gun require a background check prior to purchase. Most states already require that for handguns. Require training in use and safe storage of guns. Make the owner legally liable for any mischief committed by the guns.

There, done.


There's a lot in there that I don't have a problem with. In fact, I think you have to have a background check to buy any firearm any more. If not, I see no issue. I don't have a problem with training and safe storage, though I'd like to see a tiered licensing system that includes national concealed carry for those willing to take additional training.

There are issues with making the owner legally liable for any mischief. It's not unlike letting your neighbor use your car. So long as he's legally allowed to operate it, you're not going to be held criminally responsible if he loses his mind and mows down 6 senior citizens.
 
2012-12-24 12:00:21 PM

chuckufarlie: Are you saying that you cannot fire off a three round burst with a semi-automatic? All you need to do is pull the trigger three times fast. Is that something that you cannot grasp?


That's not a three round burst.
 
2012-12-24 12:01:10 PM

chuckufarlie: Scerpes: Infernalist: Assault rifles are not hunting rifles. Saying it doesn't make it true. They're designed for the intent to kill people, not animals.

They are used every day to hunt a wide variety of animals. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it untrue.

The fact that they are being used to hunt any animal but feral hogs does not mean that they should be, What sort of a hunter fires off a three round burst to bring down any game animal? If you need an automatic weapon to be a successful hunter, you need to find another hobby.


My sister  is a hunter and she just said almost  the exact  same thing. LOL

Oh, in California it is legal to use a handgun to hunt feral hogs, because you can get pretty close to them. Maybe ours are just so stoned from all the pot smoke they're not able to get away as quickly. It's actually quite amazing the kinds of critters we're allowed to kill in this state  with a hunting rifle or a handgun considering all the complaining I hear about our gun laws out here. I just ask my sis. She has to check  for new laws for each new tasty treat she'll be bring home after one  of her trips, so she is usually in the know on these things. She has no idea about assault  rifles being used in hunting because, as she just said, "I know how to shoot and don't need one". Wow. Harsh, sis. Harsh.

/I only shoot inanimate objects
 
2012-12-24 12:01:13 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: david_gaithersburg: Our second amendment also serves to guarantee that the government will think twice

You could just say, "I need these things to shoot American soldiers. Liberals"
If you were honest.


NOW it's honest....
 
2012-12-24 12:01:28 PM

chuckufarlie: I simply state that we need to confiscate and make illegal all rifles that utilize a magazine or a clip. Screw semantics.


There are probably 50 million of them in the U.S. Good luck with that.
 
2012-12-24 12:01:48 PM
Thanks for all the replies on my previous question. It makes "sense" to me now.

Just one thing - for you going on about protecting yourself from your own government. At least you did not have a president advocating that a certain segment of the population should all be killed with hammers.
 
2012-12-24 12:02:38 PM

Scerpes: I think you have to have a background check to buy any firearm any more.


No, you don't. The rapist loophole in the Brady Act lets convicted rapists, child molesters, and terrorists avoid background checks by buying firearms from non-federally licensed firearms dealers. The NRA has lobbied heavily to keep the rapist loophole in place. Rape. Rape rape rape.
 
2012-12-24 12:03:02 PM
Why not ban guns based on political party affiliation? If you and your party are against guns, then ban yourselves. Win-win!
 
2012-12-24 12:03:16 PM

Angry Monkey: Scerpes: Infernalist: I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

Fantastic. You go ahead and start on that Constitutional Amendment.

How about this: make getting any type of gun require a background check prior to purchase. Most states already require that for handguns. Require training in use and safe storage of guns. Make the owner legally liable for any mischief committed by the guns.

There, done.


background checks are pointless when people are stealing guns. The owner of the guns in the CT. incident had her guns stolen and she was killed with them. Pointless to make her legally responsible. In most cases where the shooter was the gun owner, the last person they killed was them. Hard to arrest a dead guy and really pointless.

You cannot enforce safe storage unless you want to okay unannounced inspections in a person's home.

Training people in the use of guns is going to do what? Make the killer respect a gun when he does not respect human life? That is hardly helpful.

There is only one workable solution. Rifles that use magazines or clips are confiscated and destroyed. Ownership would be illegal.
 
2012-12-24 12:03:27 PM

mittromneysdog: Scerpes: I think you have to have a background check to buy any firearm any more.

No, you don't. The rapist loophole in the Brady Act lets convicted rapists, child molesters, and terrorists avoid background checks by buying firearms from non-federally licensed firearms dealers. The NRA has lobbied heavily to keep the rapist loophole in place. Rape. Rape rape rape.


Sorry...forgot about that one...you're correct. Though I'm not sure why you like rape so much.
 
2012-12-24 12:03:55 PM

Scerpes: chuckufarlie: I simply state that we need to confiscate and make illegal all rifles that utilize a magazine or a clip. Screw semantics.

There are probably 50 million of them in the U.S. Good luck with that.


Because there will be a revolution, right?
 
2012-12-24 12:03:58 PM

chuckufarlie: MassAsster: chuckufarlie: Scerpes: Infernalist: Assault rifles are not hunting rifles. Saying it doesn't make it true. They're designed for the intent to kill people, not animals.

They are used every day to hunt a wide variety of animals. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it untrue.

The fact that they are being used to hunt any animal but feral hogs does not mean that they should be, What sort of a hunter fires off a three round burst to bring down any game animal? If you need an automatic weapon to be a successful hunter, you need to find another hobby.


yeah... Minus the fact that you need a federal tax stamp to have a rifle that fires three round bursts, and your standard "assault rifle" is simply a semi-auto rifle... You came so close to sounding like you knew what you were talking about though... A+ for effort.

Are you saying that you cannot fire off a three round burst with a semi-automatic? All you need to do is pull the trigger three times fast. Is that something that you cannot grasp?

I am not going to use labels like assault rifle so that people like you can debate what is or is not an assault rifle, an assault weapon or whatever. You are arguing semantics. Do you understand what semantics is?

I simply state that we need to confiscate and make illegal all rifles that utilize a magazine or a clip. Screw semantics.


I can fire off three rounds with any semi-auto weapon, Does that make it the definition of "three round burst" - no.. the very definition is "one trigger pull, three rounds"..

You should do some research and educate yourself on the topic before you continue to make yourself look like an ass.
 
2012-12-24 12:04:03 PM

chuckufarlie: Angry Monkey: Scerpes: Infernalist: I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

Fantastic. You go ahead and start on that Constitutional Amendment.

How about this: make getting any type of gun require a background check prior to purchase. Most states already require that for handguns. Require training in use and safe storage of guns. Make the owner legally liable for any mischief committed by the guns.

There, done.

background checks are pointless when people are stealing guns. The owner of the guns in the CT. incident had her guns stolen and she was killed with them. Pointless to make her legally responsible. In most cases where the shooter was the gun owner, the last person they killed was them. Hard to arrest a dead guy and really pointless.

You cannot enforce safe storage unless you want to okay unannounced inspections in a person's home.

Training people in the use of guns is going to do what? Make the killer respect a gun when he does not respect human life? That is hardly helpful.

There is only one workable solution. Rifles that use magazines or clips are confiscated and destroyed. Ownership would be illegal.


How do you know she had them stolen? She taught him to shoot. She may well have provided them to him.
 
2012-12-24 12:04:49 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Scerpes: chuckufarlie: I simply state that we need to confiscate and make illegal all rifles that utilize a magazine or a clip. Screw semantics.

There are probably 50 million of them in the U.S. Good luck with that.

Because there will be a revolution, right?

The sheer volume makes it impossible. But yeah...you're going to have issues with the revolution, too.
 
2012-12-24 12:04:59 PM

Scerpes: chuckufarlie: I simply state that we need to confiscate and make illegal all rifles that utilize a magazine or a clip. Screw semantics.

There are probably 50 million of them in the U.S. Good luck with that.


All the more reason that banning further manufacture is pointless and all the more reason to have them turned in and made illegal. Anybody who does not turn them in would be a criminal and could be arrested.
 
2012-12-24 12:05:29 PM

chuckufarlie: Scerpes: chuckufarlie: I simply state that we need to confiscate and make illegal all rifles that utilize a magazine or a clip. Screw semantics.

There are probably 50 million of them in the U.S. Good luck with that.

All the more reason that banning further manufacture is pointless and all the more reason to have them turned in and made illegal. Anybody who does not turn them in would be a criminal and could be arrested.


Not going to happen. Keep fantasizing, though.
 
2012-12-24 12:06:12 PM
chuckyoufarlie

"It is not even legal to use the military in that manner. Beyond that, the idea that we have to go from one fortified position to the next is hardly what I would call freedom. Put guards at schools and the idiots will attack malls (as they have already done), put guards at the malls and the idiots will attack cinemas (as they already have). Where do you think it will stop? Maybe we should just ban any meeting of more than two people. Maybe we should shred 9 of the 10 Bill of Rights in order to protect the one.

If we are going to live in freedom without worrying about somebody shooting up a school, or a mall or a cinema then we have to eliminate the guns that are being used - rifles that utilize magazines."


meh, we could find a constitutional way to make anything legal if it was in the national interest and I'm only suggesting using military as an option to having 20,000 armed TSA guards patrolling elementary schools.

In other words, only as a last option. But clearly as Obama stated, what we're doing now aint working so solution proposals need to be weighed.
 
2012-12-24 12:06:13 PM

Coastalgrl: Hey guys, there is a lot of hate in this thread. It's not helping.

Local news is having a press conference with local authorities. More info will come out. Working theory is that this was a trap intentionally set.


That was the first thing I thought of when I heard about this. Was it set on purpose to draw in first responders and take shots at them? Why else would someone shoot at some people trying to HELP? Yikes.

/glad I'm a chef, not as dangerous
 
2012-12-24 12:06:22 PM

david_gaithersburg: The one thing that these threads show us is the fear held by the rabid wannabe fascist progressives, that fear tells us that the second amendment is working very well.


Who is the fearful person here?

The guy that advocates reducing weaponry available to crazy people or the guy who seems to think that he is going to be assaulted at any minute and needs a firearm to prevent that?

I'll ask a question: is there a practical limit to the RKBA? What is that limit? Whose constitutional rights should be limited here and why? If there are limits, in your opinion, then the thing is entirely up in question. If there are no limits, what is your opinion of society in general--why or what do you feel makes it so bad?
 
2012-12-24 12:06:38 PM

Amos Quito: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 425x545]

Berlin, February, 1933.

[assets.nydailynews.com image 635x400]

New York, December, 2012.

Sweeping societal changes followed the former, and I suspect they will follow the latter as well.


So we've officially gone Godwin AND tinfoil hat with a conspiracy theory akin to the Reichstag fire?  Because if so, that's some uncut derp right there.
 
2012-12-24 12:06:39 PM

X-boxershorts: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: david_gaithersburg: Our second amendment also serves to guarantee that the government will think twice

You could just say, "I need these things to shoot American soldiers. Liberals"
If you were honest.

NOW it's honest....


.
Are you implying that you want to overthrow the US? Good luck with that.
 
2012-12-24 12:07:49 PM

Scerpes: chuckufarlie: Angry Monkey: Scerpes: Infernalist: I think it's time we did away with the 2nd Amendment.

Fantastic. You go ahead and start on that Constitutional Amendment.

How about this: make getting any type of gun require a background check prior to purchase. Most states already require that for handguns. Require training in use and safe storage of guns. Make the owner legally liable for any mischief committed by the guns.

There, done.

background checks are pointless when people are stealing guns. The owner of the guns in the CT. incident had her guns stolen and she was killed with them. Pointless to make her legally responsible. In most cases where the shooter was the gun owner, the last person they killed was them. Hard to arrest a dead guy and really pointless.

You cannot enforce safe storage unless you want to okay unannounced inspections in a person's home.

Training people in the use of guns is going to do what? Make the killer respect a gun when he does not respect human life? That is hardly helpful.

There is only one workable solution. Rifles that use magazines or clips are confiscated and destroyed. Ownership would be illegal.

How do you know she had them stolen? She taught him to shoot. She may well have provided them to him.


Yes, she gave him a gun while she was sleeping and told him to shoot her. She was the registered owner. She was the one who would have had a background check, not her son. That is the point, is it not? Whether she gave him the gun or he stole them, he was not the one who would have had your background check? Try to focus.