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(Talking Points Memo)   "So if Boehner can bring *half* the Republicans to the table, you'll make additional concessions, right?" Minority Leader Pelosi: "HAHAHAHAHA no"   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 202
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2012-12-24 07:49:58 AM
fta Boehner (...) wants the Senate to amend House legislation extending all the Bush tax cuts with a plan to avoid the fiscal cliff, and send it back to the House for consideration. That approach would limit the damage to the GOP,

A blatantly self-serving gimmick is going to limit damage how?
 
2012-12-24 07:54:07 AM
The President gave Boehner a better deal than he would've gotten with Plan B, and Boehner rejected it in favor of Plan B anyway just so he can have a show vote. Fark him.
 
2012-12-24 07:54:53 AM
additional


...and what additional concessions will Boehner bring to the table?
 
2012-12-24 07:59:38 AM

BunkyBrewman: additional


...and what additional concessions will Boehner bring to the table?


He won't demand more cuts to social programs. Can't make on promises on raising the income level on the tax hike though.
 
2012-12-24 08:10:46 AM
Why should she?  Doesn't seem like he is exactly negotiating from a position of strength.
 
2012-12-24 08:27:31 AM
I wonder if they'll replace Boehner with somebody from the Tea Party wing. Functionally, it wouldn't make any difference. But the sunday morning talk shows would be a lot more spicy.
 
2012-12-24 08:30:15 AM
Nancy Pelosi is the reason we should bring back those wood things they would lock people in the town square so people could throw stuff at them.
 
2012-12-24 08:32:49 AM
Wasn't it said that with the debt negotiations last year, the Republicans got 90% of what they wanted?
Some would call it fair that the Democrats get 90% this time.

Instead it looks like the Democrats were shooting for a 50% bargain, $1 of spending cuts for every $1 of new revenue. Yes, it is not where they started, but the deals have pretty much closed in on that break. But the Republicans seem unwilling to even give that much. And they are busy claiming that the Democrats are the ones that are not being flexible...

Oy.
 
2012-12-24 08:33:51 AM
Payback is a biatch
 
2012-12-24 08:41:11 AM

RexTalionis: The President gave Boehner a better deal than he would've gotten with Plan B, and Boehner rejected it in favor of Plan B anyway just so he can have a show vote pull the vote at the last minute, showing that he has no control over his half of the House of Representatives, and is therefore not worth dealing with. Fark him.


FTFY.

Brian Ryanberger: Nancy Pelosi is the reason we should bring back those wood things they would lock people in the town square so people could throw stuff at them.


Stocks, they're called stocks
 
2012-12-24 08:49:31 AM

Brian Ryanberger: Nancy Pelosi is the reason we should bring back those wood things they would lock people in the town square so people could throw stuff at them.


Da Fuq?
Login:Brian Ryanberger Fark account number:828998Account created:2012-12-13 13:25:0Ahhh, carry on.
 
2012-12-24 08:52:18 AM
Negotiate with terrorists?  I don't think so.
 
2012-12-24 09:04:46 AM

Notabunny: I wonder if they'll replace Boehner with somebody from the Tea Party wing. Functionally, it wouldn't make any difference. But the sunday morning talk shows would be a lot more spicy.


I, for one, welcome our new Republican terrorist.
 
2012-12-24 09:16:05 AM

Slives: Wasn't it said that with the debt negotiations last year, the Republicans got 90% of what they wanted?
Some would call it fair that the Democrats get 90% this time.

Instead it looks like the Democrats were shooting for a 50% bargain, $1 of spending cuts for every $1 of new revenue. Yes, it is not where they started, but the deals have pretty much closed in on that break. But the Republicans seem unwilling to even give that much. And they are busy claiming that the Democrats are the ones that are not being flexible...

Oy.


Boehner can't get the votes because he's bad at his job. Negotiating with him for votes is like going to a rent-a-cop about dismissing your parking ticket.
 
2012-12-24 09:28:11 AM
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This barrel.  You are over it.
 
2012-12-24 09:46:01 AM
I'm reminded of the "Calvin and Hobbes" where Calvin vehemently tries to extend his bedtime only to negotiate nothing more than "just one more commercial, ok?"
 
2012-12-24 10:03:49 AM
Additional concessions?

How about a cotton candy machine and a booth selling pretzels
 
2012-12-24 10:28:34 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-24 10:29:07 AM
Gee... I wonder who insisted on designing a fiscal cliff in the first place rather than passing the debt limit increase, the way they did a zillion times with W was president....

GOP nutjobs:  YOU created this situation.  YOU lost a election - big.  NOW you want the OTHER side to bail you out?  Yeah, right.
 
2012-12-24 10:40:40 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: I'm reminded of the "Calvin and Hobbes" where Calvin vehemently tries to extend his bedtime only to negotiate nothing more than "just one more commercial, ok?"



Well, it WAS his favorite gum commercial.
 
2012-12-24 10:41:04 AM
I know we have been dragging our feet and holding everyone back in hopes we all fail...But if I could get some people to negotiate would you give me something extra?  NO.

From the Republican mantra, why should you be rewarded for something you should be doing normally?
 
2012-12-24 10:43:34 AM

bronyaur1: Gee... I wonder who insisted on designing a fiscal cliff in the first place rather than passing the debt limit increase, the way they did a zillion times with W was president.... GOP nutjobs:  YOU created this situation.  YOU lost a election - big.  NOW you want the OTHER side to bail you out?  Yeah, right.

Democrat nutjobs, YOU endorsed this mess when you reelected Obama. The democrats you elected gave us the sunset on the Bush era tax cuts, the sunset on Obama's payroll tax, the implementation of tha Obamacare taxes and paired with the republicans to give us mandated spending cuts. You voted for him, now compromise and fix it. Or, get ready to feel the wrath of a fully functional Obama recession.
 
2012-12-24 10:53:04 AM
And there's no reason they should.  Boehner's plan failed.  He openly said the ball is in the Senate's court now.  That means it's on him to bring enough votes to pass the bill, or else he has to allow the automatic cuts and tax increases on all Americans.
 
2012-12-24 10:57:01 AM

EnviroDude: bronyaur1: Gee... I wonder who insisted on designing a fiscal cliff in the first place rather than passing the debt limit increase, the way they did a zillion times with W was president.... GOP nutjobs:  YOU created this situation.  YOU lost a election - big.  NOW you want the OTHER side to bail you out?  Yeah, right. Democrat nutjobs, YOU endorsed this mess when you reelected Obama. The democrats you elected gave us the sunset on the Bush era tax cuts, the sunset on Obama's payroll tax, the implementation of tha Obamacare taxes and paired with the republicans to give us mandated spending cuts. You voted for him, now compromise and fix it. Or, get ready to feel the wrath of a fully functional Obama recession.


As I recall it, his opponent steadfastly refused to discuss specifics in his tax policy after releasing a plan that would have raised taxes on Americans making less than 50k and virtually eliminated all taxes on people making over 250k.

That's one hell of a choice, agreed?
 
2012-12-24 11:02:50 AM
See this is the problem with willful cognitive dissonance and projection. Eventually reality shows up.
 
2012-12-24 11:03:00 AM
The fact that our Congress is run by the likes of Boehner, Pelosi and Reid is one of the only frightening things about the Fiscal Cliff story.
 
2012-12-24 11:05:36 AM
Hang on. Are you guys saying elections have consequences?
 
2012-12-24 11:09:10 AM
If the Democrats could somehow guarantee that Boehner would be elected Speaker for the 113th Congress, he'd probably do a deal now.
 
2012-12-24 11:14:30 AM

Ed Finnerty: Hang on. Are you guys saying elections have consequences?


the current GOP really is unfit to be a part of a modern government.
 
2012-12-24 11:18:43 AM
given the GOP behavior over the past 6 months...WHY should the Democrats concede anything?  look, right now the Dems are in a superior position.  the Republicans are *weak*. weaker than I've ever seen them before.  no leadership, losing ground with public opinion and their crazy people are ripping the party apart from inside.  the GOP has shown little or no reason to believe that they'd stick to their end of any deal, pushing a tax plan that is pure ideology with very little practicality.  But mostly, its the whole 'not trustworthy' thing that would bother me...how do we know the Republicans will hold up their end of any bargain they make?  we don't.  In fact, we've got every reason to believe they'll yank that football away at the last second if we try to kick a field goal with their help.

i don't necessarily agree with the Democratic plan here either but from a purely tactical/strategic perspective there is NO reason for the Dems to give the GOP any help at all.
 
2012-12-24 11:23:55 AM

EnviroDude: The democrats you elected gave us the sunset on the Bush era tax cuts, the sunset on Obama's payroll tax, the implementation of tha Obamacare taxes and paired with the republicans to give us mandated spending cuts


from wiki

One of the most notable characteristics of EGTRRA is that its provisions were designed to sunset, or revert to the provisions that were in effect before it was passed, on January 1, 2011. These provisions were extended for two years under the 2010 Tax Act. The sunset provision allowed EGTRRA to sidestep the Byrd Rule, a Senate rule that amends the Congressional Budget Act to allow Senators to block a piece of legislation if it purports a significant increase in the federal deficit beyond ten years. The sunset allowed the bill to stay within the letter of the PAYGO law while removing nearly $700 billion from amounts that would have triggered PAYGO sequestration.[5]
 
2012-12-24 11:25:34 AM
Looks like some Rs need to defect so Ds can get shiat done.
 
2012-12-24 11:25:35 AM
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/24/all-i-want-for-christ mas-is-a-new-gop.html

"Nothing on taxes. Nothing on gun control. Nothing on climate change. Nothing on gay marriage. Nothing on immigration reform (or an incremental, piece-by-piece approach, which will result in nothing). It's a very odd situation when the losing party is the party refusing to negotiate. It may be how you disrupt, but it is not how you govern, or how you ever hope to regain a majority.

And so, we have a Republican Party today willing to eliminate any prospect for a decent future for anyone, including itself, if it cannot be a future that is 100 percent in accordance with its core beliefs and principles. That's not governing. That's just lobbing hand grenades. If you're only standing on principle to appear taller, then you appear smaller. And the GOP is shrinking daily before our eyes."
 
2012-12-24 11:26:09 AM
I know I shouldn't be enjoying this as much as I am, but damn this is funny. I know people making probably 10% as much as this guy and half his age who are better at planning and organizing people.
 
2012-12-24 11:26:49 AM

quickdraw: See this is the problem with willful cognitive dissonance and projection. Eventually reality shows up.


the GOP isn't enjoying reality very much.  i'm waiting for Obama to get sworn in for his second term of office...that day should be an interesting day indeed for our more well known pundits.
 
2012-12-24 11:27:02 AM

bronyaur1: Gee... I wonder who insisted on designing a fiscal cliff in the first place rather than passing the debt limit increase, the way they did a zillion times with W was president....

GOP nutjobs:  YOU created this situation.  YOU lost a election - big.  NOW you want the OTHER side to bail you out?  Yeah, right.


a bunch of  THIS

screw the republicans, lets see just how messed up the tea party is. you can get away with that "no taxes evar" crap while the adults are running things but if your tantrum means nothing is getting done it's going to bite you back.
 
2012-12-24 11:27:08 AM
Boehner: "Look, I know I just lost a vote with my own conference for a tax cut on everyone making less than a million dollars that also cut capital gains tax rates and the inheritence tax while making sure most of the additional tax revenues in the bill by letting FICA go up on the first 107,000 people make in a year (which also stopped all the defense cuts). Would the Senate consider the bill we passed 6 months ago that cut those taxes plus the rates on millionares to be our offer, and then add in the defense cut removal and send it back to us so we win? If you add anything else to it, we can say that you didn't negotiate in good faith by giving us less than what we wanted and we can blame you for the cliff dive without ever having to vote on any compromise bill in the lower chamber."
 
2012-12-24 11:31:41 AM
Give them what they want, I mean they did hold the house which means they won real merika tm.
 
2012-12-24 11:32:46 AM
Oliver Twist asking for more was in a better position to negotiate than this clown.
 
2012-12-24 11:35:06 AM
It isn't Pelosi's job to bail Boner out.

Had Boner been working with Pelosi all along for craft a comprimise bill that House members both right of center and left of center could agree to then it would be appropriet to be working with her now. From day one, Boner's approach has been to by-pass Pelosi, by-pass the Senate and Reid and negotiate directly with Obama. Why bring Pelosi into it now?
 
2012-12-24 11:36:11 AM
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"No, no, no," Pelosi laughed.


/This bears repeating.
 
2012-12-24 11:38:20 AM

Brian Ryanberger: Nancy Pelosi is the reason we should bring back those wood things they would lock people in the town square so people could throw stuff at them.


They're called stocks.
 
2012-12-24 11:38:41 AM

runwiz: If the Democrats could somehow guarantee that Boehner would be elected Speaker for the 113th Congress, he'd probably do a deal now.


I think those are internal party elections.  There was an instance 2 years ago here in TN that there was a one person Republican majority in the state house.  The old Speaker was being kicked out.  So he went to the Democrats and said you all vote for me and I'll play ball with you.  Since he got to vote for himself he won by one vote.  Pretty funny.
 
2012-12-24 11:40:12 AM

Muta: It isn't Pelosi's job to bail Boner out.

Had Boner been working with Pelosi all along for craft a comprimise bill that House members both right of center and left of center could agree to then it would be appropriet to be working with her now. From day one, Boner's approach has been to by-pass Pelosi, by-pass the Senate and Reid and negotiate directly with Obama. Why bring Pelosi into it now?


because he's desperate.  he can't hold the troops together and he needs a quick victory - or something he can call a victory anyways.  problem for Boehner is that there is absolutely zero reason for the Democrats to help him out.  none at all.  if they hold position, they get everything they want.  if the GOP doesn't find a way to give their rich backers their tax cuts back....well lets just say that in the GOP, failure is simply not tolerated.  they are not a forgiving cult.
 
2012-12-24 11:41:37 AM
Why is Social Security on the table again? It's funded by its own tax. If we're talking about decreasing cost of living increases to SS but we're not talking about cutting the SS tax so people can fund their own retirement, then we're talking about using the SS tax to pay for things other than SS>
 
2012-12-24 11:41:43 AM
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What Boehner's Christmas dinner will look like.

/About a dozen of these methinks.
 
2012-12-24 11:43:02 AM
This has been their behavior for the last 2 years already, so why is anyone surprised? Since they have the Speakership they spent the entirely debt ceiling negotiation go down and would only hear bills that were either completely a wish list of what they wanted or they were save-face bills that put off the decision for a showdown to a later date when became clear playing chicken wasn't working and maybe Democrats would cave once Obama lost reelection.

Now that the election is over they just tried to kick the can again for the most part (Boehner's Plan B was tiny compared to all the compromise deals offered by both sides) while still passing something that was 98% ideal for them, stepped on their own dick when the 2% compromise resulted in a revolt from the Tea Party, and now need an excuse on how Democratic instringence is to blame when they refuse to even vote on the bills they just spent weeks negotiating on.
 
2012-12-24 11:43:20 AM
oh, and adding into this discussion is the idea that every GOP statement on the fiscal cliff is being double and triple fact checked, then published on the internet.  the Republicans aren't even CLOSE to controlling the narrative anymore and they can't get it back.
 
2012-12-24 11:44:07 AM
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This is going to hurt isn't it?

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It might not be too bad with the right lube.

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Will you let me have some lube?

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2012-12-24 11:45:57 AM

Nem Wan: Why is Social Security on the table again? It's funded by its own tax. If we're talking about decreasing cost of living increases to SS but we're not talking about cutting the SS tax so people can fund their own retirement, then we're talking about using the SS tax to pay for things other than SS>


Let me guess. You blame the great recession on all the dumbasses taking out loans they can't afford but somehow still expect them to have the responsibility to save for retirement.
 
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