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(The Weekly Standard)   NBC News talking head David Gregory chides NRAs Wayne LaPierre for even considering the notion of having armed guards at schools. After the interview, he picked up his kids at their school...which has 11 on the security payroll   (weeklystandard.com ) divider line 521
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2012-12-24 03:50:30 PM  
Police carry guns too, those complete baztards!!
 
2012-12-24 03:50:33 PM  

KIA: Keizer_Ghidorah: There will be people scared to death of the government for whatever reason they can think of.

Yes, because governments have never done evil.

Even the US Government.

Ever.

Therefore fear of government is irrational. It is always there to help solve a problem or commiserate in a hard time. It's like a best friend composed of faceless bureaucrats thousands of miles away whose sole interest is to make your personal life better. After all, if your personal life was already fantastic, you wouldn't need a best friend, would you?

/ sarcasm off. Off, I say!


They have yet to do something that requires the populace to rise up and crush them.

Of course, the fact it exists is enough for some to want to rise up and crush them.
 
2012-12-24 03:55:37 PM  

kronicfeld: David Gregory probably does not set school policy.


he is a semi closeted republican and probably choose the school based on the guards.

how the hell he ever got to host meet the press is beyond me. he is horrible at it.
 
2012-12-24 03:56:38 PM  

ongbok: Geraldo Rivera did it many times in the 80's with his reports on drugs. Even recently there was an MSNBC special about marijuana in the U.S were the reporter was interviewing growers, who had their faces blurred, while walking through their fields of marijuana. Or how about the recent stories about cocaine were the reporters go and interview the people that process cocaine in Colombia?


There's a difference between talking to someone who is committing a crime, and actually committing it yourself. This is like a reporter doing a story about how easy it is to grow weed in your closet by actually growing weed in the TV station closet for a few weeks.
 
2012-12-24 04:01:57 PM  
Keep your kids home. It's safer and really pisses off the teachers union.
 
2012-12-24 04:02:00 PM  

snocone: So, the hypocracy and duplicity is alive and well in the Media.
This is my suprised face.

People, NONE of these talking heads really believe their own derp. They will Nanny you right into the pens and happily take their blood money from the New Orderlies.

/we can deport a few, start w/ Piers Morgan.


So none of these guys have their own opinions on the topics that make up their livelihood and lifelong career pursuit?

Gotcha.
 
2012-12-24 04:03:01 PM  

ZeroPly: I am gratified that this has morphed into a Stephen Hawking rape thread. That has a lot more promise for fresh ideas than the bi-daily Fark gun thread.


Why don't you go back to chasing elk around and pissing them off with .223 wounds?
 
2012-12-24 04:08:13 PM  

tonguedepressor: ZeroPly: I am gratified that this has morphed into a Stephen Hawking rape thread. That has a lot more promise for fresh ideas than the bi-daily Fark gun thread.

Why don't you go back to chasing elk around and pissing them off with .223 wounds?


You sound injured.
 
2012-12-24 04:08:18 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: david_gaithersburg: While we're pissing on the Bill of Rights lets piss on all of it! Next up, free speech must be regulated. Want to attend a church? Were is your mental health evaluation form? etc.

what the fark is wrong with you?
Because maybe at some point you won't be able to purchase any given killing machine of your choice your rights are being pissed upon? Get a farking grip.
When they stop sales of all guns and ammo and ALSO go house to house taking away guns then you can complain.
When they refuse to solve the problem of guns in schools with more guns in schools; Good.


www.thislosangeles.com
 
2012-12-24 04:10:55 PM  

ZeroPly: tonguedepressor: ZeroPly: I am gratified that this has morphed into a Stephen Hawking rape thread. That has a lot more promise for fresh ideas than the bi-daily Fark gun thread.

Why don't you go back to chasing elk around and pissing them off with .223 wounds?

You sound injured.


A mere flesh wound.
 
2012-12-24 04:13:55 PM  
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2012-12-24 04:15:57 PM  

clane: [www.lostrepublic.us image 720x468]


I really wish there were an "Idiot" tag I could click.
 
2012-12-24 04:20:13 PM  

Wayne 985: clane: [www.lostrepublic.us image 720x468]

I really wish there were an "Idiot" tag I could click.


.
Just list it in your profile.
 
2012-12-24 04:24:20 PM  

JRoo: Gotta admit, the NRA has a solid business plan.

Every time a gun gets used, more guns get sold.

If people aren't afraid enough of criminals to buy more guns, then they'll buy them because they think the government is going to take them away.


You are aware that the NRA doesn't sell guns and that the majority of gun owners aren't members of the NRA?
 
2012-12-24 04:34:11 PM  
What an idiot.
 
2012-12-24 04:41:59 PM  

Fade2black: Notabunny: I love the smell of right wing desperation in the morning

And I love my side of Liberal Hypocrisy right next to my bowl of Oatmeal as well, tool.

[car.jpg]

I'm not even a gun nut (have literally never fired one outside of Paintball), and even I know the Liberal argument is about as retarded as it gets.


Oh, jeez. Fine. I'll bite. What liberal hypocrisy?
 
2012-12-24 04:43:34 PM  
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2012-12-24 04:51:22 PM  
So hes saying that we should have some sort of...federally mandated, universal care for all our children? Like...every school gets protection from threats? Even if they already had violence problems, or if they currently don't have violence problems and are unlikely to ever have any? Everybody contributes towards the health and safety of everybody else? Hmmm...that sounds like something conservatives have been big fans of recently...I just cant place my finger on what that was...
 
2012-12-24 04:58:08 PM  
Internet Liberals 10-12 years ago:
" He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither."

Internet Liberals today:
"Waaaaaaah school shooters are everywhere! Please start restricting our gun ownership rights so that we can be more secure"
 
2012-12-24 05:02:23 PM  
Gregory has an agenda and he is a hypocrite. Not news.
 
2012-12-24 05:06:39 PM  
clane:

How cute.
 
2012-12-24 05:07:27 PM  

SlothB77: Gregory has an agenda and he is a hypocrite. Not news.


Yawn
 
2012-12-24 05:08:13 PM  
Farking hypocrite.

/Independent.
//Grrrr
 
2012-12-24 05:12:26 PM  

fugeeface: Farking hypocrite.

/Independent.
//Grrrr


You are getting upset over nothing.
 
2012-12-24 05:26:57 PM  
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2012-12-24 05:30:42 PM  
Like black teenagers don't already have guns....


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2012-12-24 05:33:47 PM  

walkingtall: Fart_Machine: Please point out where I said it was a right nobody should have or that I want it taken away. I'll wait. Just keep digging

You called me a troll for pointing out that wholesale banning or restrictions on gun ownership is completely against the Constitution. I have also read through the thread at all your posts and you appear to be on the side laughing at the NRA for making a suggestion that many others have made in the past. You also gave me a lot of grief about the very simple idea that rights are rights not priviledges. So if you trolled me good job but I got the impression you are all for gun bans or heavy restrictions despite what the Constitution says.


No I called you a troll for using a ridiculous straw man at the beginning of your post. Now since you've got nothing please stop trying to argue things I never said. Thanks.
 
2012-12-24 05:34:49 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: Fart_Machine: walkingtall: Fart_Machine: Thank you for proving my point.

Really? When the governor of one of the largest states goes on record as saying that forcibly removing guns from people is on the table that means I somehow talking in hyperbole? That im claiming that there is a prevailing idea to completely walk all over the 2nd amendment? So you are just going to sit there with your fingers in your ears because this is a right you dont like others to have so it will be ok to take it away and yet somehow my pointing out the wrongness of this means I am beating on strawmen?

Please point out where I said it was a right nobody should have or that I want it taken away. I'll wait. Just keep digging...

The SS would need guns, so it's clear you were not saying that nobody should have guns.


You've got nothing either. Thanks for that.
 
2012-12-24 05:37:30 PM  

special20: Only liberals and socialists should have their children protected. Any other ideology indoctrinating a child should place that child at risk. We need re-education camps and people's courts. Guns should only be allowed in the military, and special security details for liberals and socialists only. Ban everything else. Raise all taxes to the levels of church tithing. Ban all organized religions. Ban all thought that doesn't comply to the goals of the state. Kill those who disagree.

/amidoinitright?


walkingtall would be proud.
 
2012-12-24 05:43:14 PM  

skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: skullkrusher: Fart_Machine: jigger: Good lord, I can't believe (well, ok I can) that so many ideologues showed up in this thread to defend this and make excuses.

Yes the Weekly Standard position is indeed ridiculous.

just as ridiculous as every other single attempt to pass a tu quoque off as a legitimate argument. Which is to say, very ridiculous.

That said, important people apparently think that armed guards protect their kids.

Political figures and their families are often targets for assassination. If you go to school with them you might be as well. That being said you're more likely to find schools looking like security compounds in poorer areas than affluent ones.

if anything that speaks to the efficacy of armed security. These kids who are more likely to be targeted have security. That doesn't mean that security will not help kids just because they are less likely targets

It's actually more of a deflection just like saying bans will deter criminals. I don't believe either is the case.

of course it's a deflection. It's a tu quoque. However, Gregory was insisting that armed guards do not deter attacks. Apparently the administrators of the school his kids attend disagree. I think we would all agree that a school with such a high concentration of attractive targets for kidnapping, attack, etc would be remiss in not offering protection for those kids. Sure, the argument can be made that in most cases, having such resources at "regular" schools would be wasteful in that the likelihood of an attack is small but it does speak to the perceived efficacy of such security in preventing attacks.


Or maybe administrators could make that determination for themselves instead of a blanket Federal mandate like the NRA want?
 
2012-12-24 05:44:37 PM  

Buffalo77: what_now: Ok, let's say we put armed guards in every school. How do we pay for it?

Raise your hand if you support tax increases for this.


How bout we take 5 billion out of the 100 billion losses for loan guarantees to green energy companies instead. We will let you keep the 95% waste just give us 5% to protect the chriddren


How are the schools going to pay back the loan?
 
2012-12-24 05:47:47 PM  

Mrtraveler01: fugeeface: Farking hypocrite.

/Independent.
//Grrrr

You are getting upset over nothing.


THEY'RE COMING FOR YOUR GRRR'S!!!
 
2012-12-24 05:50:17 PM  

Fart_Machine: Buffalo77: what_now: Ok, let's say we put armed guards in every school. How do we pay for it?

Raise your hand if you support tax increases for this.


How bout we take 5 billion out of the 100 billion losses for loan guarantees to green energy companies instead. We will let you keep the 95% waste just give us 5% to protect the chriddren

How are the schools going to pay back the loan?


I'm just laughing at the "omgz green energy is wasteful" talking when we throw even more money at oil companies.

Free market my ass
 
2012-12-24 05:55:34 PM  
And the farking idiots defending this farkstick in here are the same ones bashing the petition signers above.
 
2012-12-24 06:02:11 PM  

planedr: And the farking idiots defending this farkstick in here are the same ones bashing the petition signers above.


What petition signers?
 
2012-12-24 06:07:37 PM  

Mrtraveler01: planedr: And the farking idiots defending this farkstick in here are the same ones bashing the petition signers above.

What petition signers?


The Farkstick bashing idiot ones.

Try to keep up.
 
2012-12-24 06:13:16 PM  
Going by the love and respect gushing from the well-informed hobbyists in this thread I'd want some security at my kids' school, too.
 
2012-12-24 06:24:37 PM  
www.dogbreedinfo.com
 
2012-12-24 06:30:17 PM  

kxs401: I'm.... outraged?

Wait, no I'm not. Just because one school where lots of children who might be potential targets attend needs guards, that doesn't mean all schools need guards. Why are republicans constantly so pouty and outraged? Does it make them happy?


This. It is one thing to arm a school because it is in a dangerous area or as in this case, a private school where lots of important people send their kids too. It is another to propose arming every school in the country for the unlikely scenario that a psychopath will shoot the place up, in part due to your organization's policies on gun control.

/if MOAR GUNS are the answer, how many more do we need to get the gun crime rate down to where it is in other developed countries?
 
2012-12-24 06:55:43 PM  

Buffalo77: what_now: Ok, let's say we put armed guards in every school. How do we pay for it?

Raise your hand if you support tax increases for this.


How bout we take 5 billion out of the 100 billion losses for loan guarantees to green energy companies instead. We will let you keep the 95% waste just give us 5% to protect the chriddren


How about we address the underlying causes for all of this violence and start doing something about them, instead of making retarded statements about completely unrelated things and thinking more guns will solve the problem of gun violence?
 
2012-12-24 06:56:32 PM  

CrazyCracka420: People keep going back and forth like one side is right and the other is wrong.

There's nuances on both sides of the issue...

It would be good to have a gun registry (like we do for vehicles) so we know who owns what guns. if that gun is used in a crime, we can trace it back somewhere. At the same time, countries throughout history have taken away the civilians firearms to be able to do what they want with them (consolidating power), just look at Russia or China in the early 1900's.

Sure some people say having a 5 or 10 clip max on semi-auto rifles is enough to defend you and your family. But who's to say? What if 11 people are attacking your house, or you (FSM forbid) miss a shot or two, or don't one hit kill an intruder?

I honestly believe in gun regulations, but where do we draw the line? How do we ensure that civilians will always be able to stand up to a dictator who uses our military or police against it's own civilians? But how do we also ensure that we're preventing firearms from getting in the hands of criminals?

I don't think anyone has the easy answer, so for people to go back and forth so heated at each other is ridiculous.

I'm pretty farking liberal, but it really is true. When someone's rampaging with a gun, who's going to be able to stop them? Someone has to forcefully do it, unless they kill themselves. Maybe it's not with a gun, but it might make the job easier. But at the same time, it might make you a target for anyone else concealing a firearm, they may mistake you for the perp. Or you may hit an innocent person...

Stop acting like you furious keyboarders have all the answers. You don't.

The problem is mentally unstable people sometimes go on rampages. Maybe if our largest mental health institutions weren't prisons and jails (aka if we actually took mental health seriously in this country) we might not see so many of these rampaging looney's murdering children.

But keep arguing about the tool used for the killings, and not the root cause of why the people are going on rampages.

/end rant


Make a lot of good points, but two things I want to address:

1. If you are ambushed by 11 people, it is unlikely having a 11,000 bullet magazine will save you from harm.

2. Didn't the police use lethal force against its own citizens during a protest in 1937 in Puerto Rico? Where was the Second Amendment then? The sad reality is that if some decided to use the Second Amendment as the Founding Fathers intended there, the only thing it would have accomplished is more bloodshed, if not allow for propaganda to claim that the protesters became violent and lethal force was necessary.
 
2012-12-24 08:01:39 PM  
Waaawaaa get the Government out of my life and let me kill babies!

Waaawaaa get the Government in my life and take away my right to own guns!

Waaawaaa get the government out of my life and let men marry men, women marry women, and fathers marry daughters!

Waaawaaa get the government in my life and take more and more money out of the free market!
 
2012-12-24 08:02:55 PM  
I saw the interview. The only point Gregory made against armed guards was that it wasn't slam-dunk enough to consider it while refusing to consider gun control measures if the goal is in fact to try anything that might work.
 
2012-12-24 08:09:17 PM  

clane: Waaawaaa get the Government out of my life and let me kill babies!

Waaawaaa get the Government in my life and take away my right to own guns!

Waaawaaa get the government out of my life and let men marry men, women marry women, and fathers marry daughters!

Waaawaaa get the government in my life and take more and more money out of the free market!


Are there moments when you don't say something stupid?

/merry Christmas from a godless heathen liberal
 
2012-12-24 08:10:18 PM  

Abox: I saw the interview. The only point Gregory made against armed guards was that it wasn't slam-dunk enough to consider it while refusing to consider gun control measures if the goal is in fact to try anything that might work.


I am offended by his pragmatism.
 
2012-12-24 08:25:50 PM  
Wow. Looking at the threads from the last few days, it sure looks like the left has their "rights stripping boner" in full raping hard on.

/Yes. Let's let the government protect us.
 
2012-12-24 08:32:53 PM  

muck4doo: Wow. Looking at the threads from the last few days, it sure looks like the left has their "rights stripping boner" in full raping hard on.

/Yes. Let's let the government protect us.


Not as stupid as the "lets arm everyone" idiocy t hat the gun nuts seem to want.

I agree that having a police officer in schools is a good start. But it shouldn't be the only solution.
 
2012-12-24 08:33:57 PM  

The Larch: I don't know who told you that, but your source of information is either misinformed or intentionally lying to you. LaPierre explicitly called for armed guards in every school. These are his actual words:
I call on Congress today to act immediately, to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every school - and to do it now, to make sure that blanket of safety is in place when our children return to school in January.


he called on Congress? I missed that part. What a lunatic. Yes, our government should mandate that we have even more guns around. It's just another sign of American exceptionalism.
 
2012-12-24 08:36:53 PM  

Mrtraveler01: muck4doo: Wow. Looking at the threads from the last few days, it sure looks like the left has their "rights stripping boner" in full raping hard on.

/Yes. Let's let the government protect us.

Not as stupid as the "lets arm everyone" idiocy t hat the gun nuts seem to want.

I agree that having a police officer in schools is a good start. But it shouldn't be the only solution.


Let's put more cops everywhere. More cops =good. A cop for me and you and a dog named Boo.
 
2012-12-24 08:47:59 PM  
Ha!
 
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