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(The Weekly Standard)   NBC News talking head David Gregory chides NRAs Wayne LaPierre for even considering the notion of having armed guards at schools. After the interview, he picked up his kids at their school...which has 11 on the security payroll   (weeklystandard.com) divider line 521
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2012-12-24 11:27:42 AM  

Nabb1: what_now: Ok, let's say we put armed guards in every school. How do we pay for it?

Raise your hand if you support tax increases for this.

There's that or figure out what your most important budgetary priorities are.  But, obviously that's never going to happen.


Sure, but the amount of money it would take to hire a security guard in every school would mean firing a teacher or two. And most schools need more teachers, not fewer.

Also, I don't think armed security guards would make a difference. That guy would just be the first target.
 
2012-12-24 11:27:48 AM  
so they're assuming the are armed? We have security guards in my school as well. They're unarmed and not too much more then traffic directors of kids and cars and babysitters of hallways
 
2012-12-24 11:28:03 AM  

Fart_Machine: So every school hires armed security guards, inflates the costs, and then some kid gets shot accidentally and we have the debate over WTF are armed security guards doing in our schools. Brilliant!


Won't be an issue... we just get highly trained professionals to serve as armed guards at schools for the 1% and say "Fark it" for the rest.

/ problem solved
 
2012-12-24 11:28:05 AM  

St_Francis_P: david_gaithersburg: St_Francis_P: sammyk: Well, if you got nothin you attack the messenger.

The public reacted very negatively to LaPierre's message, so the Conservative Entertainment Complex has decided to double down on it. Good times.
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wut?

Google is your friend.


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Ahh, thanks. A term invented by Media Matters, a Hillary Clinton/George Soros propaganda project. I take it you subscribe to that insane shiat?
 
2012-12-24 11:28:22 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: nmrsnr: Yeah, but doesn't consider that the school is also where Ambassadors' and other dignitaries' children go, who also probably merit heightened security.

Good to see that you understand that their are children that are more important than yours.


yep they are. And more important than mine too.
 
2012-12-24 11:28:24 AM  
I'm Taxed Enough Already, unless it's tax hikes for guns in schools.
 
2012-12-24 11:28:31 AM  
What does the fact that his kids go to a school that has armed security have to do with the argument he was making? Was he arguing against armed security at schools? No he wasn't. The point he was making is that having an armed security guard at the school might not have stopped this from happening, like it didn't stop other mass shootings.This is something the the NRA is saying would have stopped it and is arguing that should be in place over trying to keep guns out of the hands of mentally unstable people.

Anybody trying to make a big deal over where he sends his kids to school and trying to use it to somehow discredit his point is an idiot.
 
2012-12-24 11:28:33 AM  
Incidentally here in PA the governor was on the "we need to fund mental health better" talking point very early -- so early that none of his staff remembered to tell him that his last two budgets drastically reduced funding for mental health services.

But, for a day he got positive press pretending he was doing something, so that's all that *really* matters.
 
2012-12-24 11:28:55 AM  

MassAsster: I've solved the problem...

No more gun worries... no more bomb scares... just bliss

Your kids are safe now.. thanks to the new security team put into place in schools....

[www.dziennik.com image 530x298]

/your welcome


You probably have no idea how close we came to arming the TSOs. Fortunately, it was just too expensive to train them, so no. The first iteration of hires cost $55K each and they quit at a 35% rate.
Granted that was with the first iteration of hires, before TSA found out you can't hire enough good citizens to do the job.
The pizza box hires would have been some fun with guns, yes?
 
2012-12-24 11:29:02 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: nmrsnr: Yeah, but doesn't consider that the school is also where Ambassadors' and other dignitaries' children go, who also probably merit heightened security.

Good to see that you understand that their are children that are more important than yours.


Good to see you completely missing the point...again, for the upteenth time.
 
2012-12-24 11:29:15 AM  

david_gaithersburg: St_Francis_P: david_gaithersburg: St_Francis_P: sammyk: Well, if you got nothin you attack the messenger.

The public reacted very negatively to LaPierre's message, so the Conservative Entertainment Complex has decided to double down on it. Good times.
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wut?

Google is your friend.

.
Ahh, thanks. A term invented by Media Matters, a Hillary Clinton/George Soros propaganda project. I take it you subscribe to that insane shiat?


You link to Rense.com. Now tell us how the mind control chemicals get into contrails.
 
2012-12-24 11:29:29 AM  

coco ebert: I'm sure all you conservatives will support increased taxes to provide armed security for all public schools.

Right?

Right?


Give it a week or two. As this "debate" evolves, pretty soon it will be the fault of the teachers' unions that we can't afford proper school security.

Although if you're lucky, this thread has a couple of douches that will probably go there just to get bites.
 
2012-12-24 11:29:41 AM  

Tymast: so they're assuming the are armed? We have security guards in my school as well. They're unarmed and not too much more then traffic directors of kids and cars and babysitters of hallways


So your school pays the hall monitors? Sounds like a waste of cash to me.

Just pick some juniors to do it, give them a letter of recommendation for when the go to State U, and save yourself $28K a head.
 
2012-12-24 11:29:42 AM  

david_gaithersburg: St_Francis_P: david_gaithersburg: St_Francis_P: sammyk: Well, if you got nothin you attack the messenger.

The public reacted very negatively to LaPierre's message, so the Conservative Entertainment Complex has decided to double down on it. Good times.
.
wut?

Google is your friend.

.
Ahh, thanks. A term invented by Media Matters, a Hillary Clinton/George Soros propaganda project. I take it you subscribe to that insane shiat?


David Frum seems to be the main exponent. Call him crazy if you want.
 
2012-12-24 11:30:02 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: A wealthy man, a media figure, thinks some gun NUT might target his kids? I mean, it's not like they're FIREMEN or anything...


It isn't like these folks are threatening violence if another AWB goes into effect or anything. Oh...
 
2012-12-24 11:30:09 AM  

SilentStrider: NRA- All pets require litterboxes!

David Gregory- no, not all pets need litterboxes.

NRA-OMG but you have litterboxes for your cats! That means you're a hypocrite, Michael Moore has to be put to death by firing squad, and Sarah Palin is the head of the Department of Education!

Rational people- *facepalm*


Done in...eleventy posts.
 
2012-12-24 11:30:27 AM  
Wait, David Gregory's kids go to school on Sunday?
 
2012-12-24 11:30:36 AM  
Why were his kids at school on a Sunday?
 
2012-12-24 11:31:03 AM  
Proposing armed guards in every school was not meant as a serious solution.  It was a red herring to deflect the conversation away from the broader issue of gun violence in America.  In other words, LaPierre was trolling.

And judging from the response in the media and threads like this one, successful troll was very, very successful.
 
2012-12-24 11:31:37 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Incidentally here in PA the governor was on the "we need to fund mental health better" talking point very early -- so early that none of his staff remembered to tell him that his last two budgets drastically reduced funding for mental health services.

But, for a day he got positive press pretending he was doing something, so that's all that *really* matters.


Corbett is easy... we just scrounge up $2,000 and take him out for a three-day weekend somewhere and he'll do what we want.

I appreciate cheap polticians...
 
2012-12-24 11:31:53 AM  

born_yesterday: coco ebert: I'm sure all you conservatives will support increased taxes to provide armed security for all public schools.

Right?

Right?

Give it a week or two. As this "debate" evolves, pretty soon it will be the fault of the teachers' unions that we can't afford proper school security.

Although if you're lucky, this thread has a couple of douches that will probably go there just to get bites.


I'm actually surprised we haven't seen that talking point yet. "Greedy teachers and unions killed those 20 kids!"
 
2012-12-24 11:32:00 AM  

Tymast: so they're assuming the are armed? We have security guards in my school as well. They're unarmed and not too much more then traffic directors of kids and cars and babysitters of hallways


If you train them well, they can be very effective. They will not be facing trained combatants.
I went to 'Nam unarmed and still stand, with a limp, but,,

People, calm down and try to get the hysteria under control.
 
2012-12-24 11:33:10 AM  

verbaltoxin: david_gaithersburg: St_Francis_P: david_gaithersburg: St_Francis_P: sammyk: Well, if you got nothin you attack the messenger.

The public reacted very negatively to LaPierre's message, so the Conservative Entertainment Complex has decided to double down on it. Good times.
.
wut?

Google is your friend.

.
Ahh, thanks. A term invented by Media Matters, a Hillary Clinton/George Soros propaganda project. I take it you subscribe to that insane shiat?

You link to Rense.com. Now tell us how the mind control chemicals get into contrails.


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I charge $165 p/hr if you want me to research for you and find the same article in Mother Jones.
 
2012-12-24 11:33:17 AM  
Back on topic...

the point is, many are railing against the NRA for their suggestion that we should put armed guards in schools, yet they don't realize this security measure already exists in some schools. What's the harm? It will never stop all attacks but it will deter some.

Even Wellesley High School in Massachusetts has an armed security guard.
 
2012-12-24 11:33:18 AM  

kxs401: Nabb1: coco ebert: I'm also amused by the sudden interest by conservatives in educational equality and mental health funding.

GTFO with that sh*t.

HOW DARE ANYONE NOT HAVE THE OPINIONS I WANT THEM TO HAVE ON EVERY ISSUE!

Right, no possibility it's a disingenuous sudden concern for mental health to attempt to keep everyone away from gun control.


Yeah, they're all like NOBAMACARE! YES MENTAL CARE! Next comes the WAIT...NEVER MIND.

Their position should have been to put soldiers in the schools. That way the money goes to the Pentagon where God intended. Plus the dogfaces could help MAN UP our boy students.
 
2012-12-24 11:33:27 AM  

snocone: MassAsster: I've solved the problem...

No more gun worries... no more bomb scares... just bliss

Your kids are safe now.. thanks to the new security team put into place in schools....

[www.dziennik.com image 530x298]

/your welcome

You probably have no idea how close we came to arming the TSOs. Fortunately, it was just too expensive to train them, so no. The first iteration of hires cost $55K each and they quit at a 35% rate.
Granted that was with the first iteration of hires, before TSA found out you can't hire enough good citizens to do the job.
The pizza box hires would have been some fun with guns, yes?


Who said anything about arming them?
They are doing a bang up job just as they are..

/entire idea was a sarcastic jab at the TSA by the way..
 
2012-12-24 11:33:45 AM  

what_now: Also, I don't think armed security guards would make a difference. That guy would just be the first target.


Hmm... You seem like you've really thought one of these scenarios out.
 
2012-12-24 11:33:49 AM  

gilgigamesh: Proposing armed guards in every school was not meant as a serious solution.  It was a red herring to deflect the conversation away from the broader issue of gun violence in America.  In other words, LaPierre was trolling.

And judging from the response in the media and threads like this one, successful troll was very, very successful.


It doesn't matter... we're just countertrolling... there is actually no such thing as actual political discourse in this country anymore.

I assume that all officials, politicians and military officers are "trolling" in each and every one of their public remarks.
 
2012-12-24 11:34:03 AM  

olapbill: yep they are. And more important than mine too.


They're not more important than mine, thanks.
 
2012-12-24 11:34:14 AM  
The only way to engage and neutralize an active shooter is to have a counter-shooter on the scene instantly. The only way to do that is to have armed guards on the scene beforehand. This is why I carry condoms with me all the time.
 
2012-12-24 11:34:22 AM  
Don't see it often mentioned how things worked out for the armed guard at the 2005http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22224114/red-lake-grads -off e r-support-newtown-conn?source=pkg Red Lake School Shooting.
 
2012-12-24 11:35:30 AM  

debug: According to a scan of the school's online faculty-staff directory, Sidwell has a security department made up of at least 11 people. Many of those are police officers, who are presumably armed.

So we don't know if the security are actually armed or not, but we'll just ignore that for the purposes of our article. That's some good investigative reporting there, Lou.


Been waiting for this.  It's a farking Quaker school.  I doubt that even the SS is wandering the hallways armed.  More likely, they're deployed around  the perimeter of the campus like Dementors at Hogwarts were.
 
2012-12-24 11:35:47 AM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Fart_Machine: So every school hires armed security guards, inflates the costs, and then some kid gets shot accidentally and we have the debate over WTF are armed security guards doing in our schools. Brilliant!

Won't be an issue... we just get highly trained professionals to serve as armed guards at schools for the 1% and say "Fark it" for the rest.

/ problem solved


Most affluent school districts don't employ armed security guards.
 
2012-12-24 11:35:52 AM  

david_gaithersburg: verbaltoxin: david_gaithersburg: St_Francis_P: david_gaithersburg: St_Francis_P: sammyk: Well, if you got nothin you attack the messenger.

The public reacted very negatively to LaPierre's message, so the Conservative Entertainment Complex has decided to double down on it. Good times.
.
wut?

Google is your friend.

.
Ahh, thanks. A term invented by Media Matters, a Hillary Clinton/George Soros propaganda project. I take it you subscribe to that insane shiat?

You link to Rense.com. Now tell us how the mind control chemicals get into contrails.

.
I charge $165 p/hr if you want me to research for you and find the same article in Mother Jones.


Yeah, I'm sure Mother Jones has conspiracy theories like chemtrails and reptoids in it. So, seen any black helicopters lately?
 
2012-12-24 11:35:59 AM  

gilgigamesh: Proposing armed guards in every school was not meant as a serious solution.  It was a red herring to deflect the conversation away from the broader issue of gun violence in America.  In other words, LaPierre was trolling.

And judging from the response in the media and threads like this one, successful troll was very, very successful.


An assault weapon ban isn't going to do much about gun violence, either.  Sure, it may make us all feel better, maybe the next shooter will only get 12 or 13 instead of a couple dozen.  I find it remarkable that people are barking about their own personal solution like they're all mutually exclusive.
 
2012-12-24 11:36:08 AM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: It doesn't matter... we're just countertrolling... there is actually no such thing as actual political discourse in this country anymore.


Well, in that case...

*throws monkey poop*
 
2012-12-24 11:36:14 AM  

Wrongo: Don't see it often mentioned how things worked out for the armed guard at the 2005http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22224114/red-lake-grads -off e r-support-newtown-conn?source=pkg Red Lake School Shooting.


Or the fact that there was an armed guard at Columbine who shot at them.

Or the fact that not a single person was calling for armed guards in schools before Friday.
 
2012-12-24 11:36:48 AM  
Total BS. IMO Gregory's point was only that all viable options might also include closing gun show loop holes and restricting magazine sizes. I believe he made no real point that added security was a poor idea, just that not discussing others was a "convenient" stance. It's been 24 hours and I dnrtfa so my memory may be off.
 
2012-12-24 11:36:59 AM  
oblig

www.sarasota.k12.fl.us
 
2012-12-24 11:37:21 AM  
Why would his kids be in school on a sunday?
 
2012-12-24 11:37:35 AM  

Fart_Machine: Most affluent school districts don't employ armed security guards.


True... I can name at least one.
 
2012-12-24 11:37:46 AM  

GAT_00: Or the fact that not a single person was calling for armed guards in schools before Friday.

 
2012-12-24 11:38:11 AM  
We had an armed plainsclothes cop in my HS in the early 1970s. What's the big deal? Now they call them "Resource Officers". WTF is that about?
 
2012-12-24 11:39:08 AM  
I'm no expert in Quaker values or Quaker schools, but really

1. How likely is it that regular school security employees in a Quaker school are armed?

2. The Security department list cited to in the article lists 11 people. All of those listed as Police Officers are either listed as "on-call special police officers" or just "special police officers." What's that?

3. So the heck what if someone who does not think armed guards will help prevent school shooters sends his kids to a school that has security guards -- even armed ones? It seems to me that such a factor would be pretty low on the list of factors many parents would consider in choosing a school.
 
2012-12-24 11:39:14 AM  

cman: Only children of the elite deserve schools with gun-carrying protectors.


images2.wikia.nocookie.net
"Since you've already attended public school, we're assuming you've already had experience with small arms."
 
2012-12-24 11:39:17 AM  

Nabb1: I find it remarkable that people are barking about their own personal solution like they're all mutually exclusive.


This, ironically, may be a response to reality. What chance is there that more than one solution to any problem will be embraced by governments, the media, AND the public? It's a competition for attention, influence and power. THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE.
 
2012-12-24 11:39:18 AM  
Yawn. *rolls eyes*
 
2012-12-24 11:39:27 AM  

Nabb1: what_now: Also, I don't think armed security guards would make a difference. That guy would just be the first target.

Hmm... You seem like you've really thought one of these scenarios out.


I've worked in financial aid at high stress graduate schools for 10 years, and in my former job, one of my students pushed me into a wall for giving him bad news and another one murdered a hooker.

You don't think I've worried about this?
 
2012-12-24 11:39:54 AM  
Wait a minute, I thought Obama's kids were going to go to public school?
Didn't he make that statement way back when?
Looked it up on Google:
"while public schools were considered, the Obamas felt that a private school was in the best interest of their children"
With security, better teachers, better environment and a hot lunch every day and all yours for $34,000 / year (each)
Now I feel that I have failed my children........
 
2012-12-24 11:40:00 AM  
It's a private school.

Private.
 
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