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(The Weekly Standard)   NBC News talking head David Gregory chides NRAs Wayne LaPierre for even considering the notion of having armed guards at schools. After the interview, he picked up his kids at their school...which has 11 on the security payroll   (weeklystandard.com) divider line 521
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2012-12-24 10:08:52 AM  

Diogenes: You made it abundantly clear about two weeks ago that homosexuals have no valid input on public policy.


Eh?
 
2012-12-24 10:09:00 AM  
Those guards are to keep out poor children and kids whose parents don't have the right connections, big difference
 
2012-12-24 10:09:54 AM  
Gee, I wonder why a school where a lot of famous children including the President's daughters attend might have heightened security.
 
2012-12-24 10:10:21 AM  
Oh, I remember now! Heh. Day-em! You really are good at the pretzel logic.
 
2012-12-24 10:13:41 AM  

serial_crusher: Oh, it's a private school?  Oh, it' the same school that the President's kids go to, and presumably has more security because of that?  Yawn.

That's right folks.  You can't pay for something with your own money unless you also think everybody should have that and pay for it with taxpayer money.  Interesting seeing the right wing making that argument this time though.


I know it must be frustrating when people whom you disagree with seem not to have opinions that match your pre-conceived notions of what their opinions should be based on your concept of a particular ideology, but it must be doubly frustrating when you have missed the point entirely.
 
2012-12-24 10:16:20 AM  
I'm sure all you conservatives will support increased taxes to provide armed security for all public schools.

Right?

Right?
 
2012-12-24 10:17:51 AM  

coco ebert: I'm sure all you conservatives will support increased taxes to provide armed security for all public schools.

Right?

Right?


Borrow-and-spend Republicans? Unlikely.
 
2012-12-24 10:18:44 AM  
I'm also amused by the sudden interest by conservatives in educational equality and mental health funding.

GTFO with that sh*t.
 
2012-12-24 10:21:19 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Oh, I remember now! Heh. Day-em! You really are good at the pretzel logic.


Sussing out yours is quite difficult, sometimes.
 
2012-12-24 10:26:02 AM  

coco ebert: I'm sure all you conservatives will support increased taxes to provide armed security for all public schools.

Right?

Right?


We can just take all the money out of Medicare and put it towards the armed guards. Isn't the children's safety much more important than their health?
 
2012-12-24 10:26:14 AM  
It's time once again for conservatives to demand wholeheartedly for something essential to keeping children safe that not a single one of them ever thought about or said we needed before Friday.
 
2012-12-24 10:26:53 AM  
Sooooo.... by this logic, there should be a draft - after all, the Iraq war was a bad thing because those who advocated going to war did not in fact send their own children.  Right?
 
2012-12-24 10:28:02 AM  
A wealthy man, a media figure, thinks some gun NUT might target his kids? I mean, it's not like they're FIREMEN or anything...
 
2012-12-24 10:46:01 AM  

coco ebert: I'm also amused by the sudden interest by conservatives in educational equality and mental health funding.

GTFO with that sh*t.


HOW DARE ANYONE NOT HAVE THE OPINIONS I WANT THEM TO HAVE ON EVERY ISSUE!
 
2012-12-24 10:50:37 AM  

Nabb1: coco ebert: I'm also amused by the sudden interest by conservatives in educational equality and mental health funding.

GTFO with that sh*t.

HOW DARE ANYONE NOT HAVE THE OPINIONS I WANT THEM TO HAVE ON EVERY ISSUE!


I don't care about people not sharing my views on issues, but sudden flip flops like that are just farking unbelievable to me. Have some consistency for chrissakes.
 
2012-12-24 10:51:59 AM  
Ok, let's say we put armed guards in every school. How do we pay for it?

Raise your hand if you support tax increases for this.
 
2012-12-24 10:53:22 AM  

Nabb1: coco ebert: I'm also amused by the sudden interest by conservatives in educational equality and mental health funding.

GTFO with that sh*t.

HOW DARE ANYONE NOT HAVE THE OPINIONS I WANT THEM TO HAVE ON EVERY ISSUE!


Right, no possibility it's a disingenuous sudden concern for mental health to attempt to keep everyone away from gun control.
 
2012-12-24 10:54:34 AM  

coco ebert: but sudden flip flops like that are just farking unbelievable to me. Have some consistency for chrissakes.


Their only consistency is to support the GOP's position.  Which is why people who had never suggested armed guards before are suddenly pretending it is the only solution to this problem.  It's a good way to find the talking point shills, since they're the only ones who are defending this idea that none of them ever had.
 
2012-12-24 10:56:13 AM  

kxs401: Right, no possibility it's a disingenuous sudden concern for mental health to attempt to keep everyone away from gun control.


Good heavens. Would they really do that?
 
2012-12-24 10:59:34 AM  
Do as I say . . .

/I recall that oprah's guards are well-armed . . .
 
2012-12-24 11:04:16 AM  

what_now: Ok, let's say we put armed guards in every school. How do we pay for it?

Raise your hand if you support tax increases for this.


The Republican's will figure out a way to make the middle class shoulder the costs of this, like they always do.
 
2012-12-24 11:05:23 AM  
*Republicans

My apologies for the unnecessary apostrophe.
 
2012-12-24 11:06:49 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: If he's paying the tuition, he's paying for the armed guards.
The difference with LaPierre's proposal is that he's saying we need to have armed guards in every school, but is offering no solution to pay for said guards -- one newspaper estimates the cost for one guard per building in Pennsylvania to be up to $140,000,000 annually. Even if the guards were all volunteers who's paying for background checks, liability insurance, training, etc.?

I am *not* opposed to the concept of increased school security. I'd even pay higher property taxes to improve that security. But, here in PA there's a law that requires every school property tax hike above the rate of inflation to be approved via voter referendum. To date there have been 13 such votes, and to date exactly one has passed -- plus, with federal money running out and state-level budget cuts something like 20,000 teachers/support staff have already been fired.


Yeah, it very interesting that the no new taxes crowd is so into this proposal. Even crappy security guards with crappy guns don't come free.
 
2012-12-24 11:10:28 AM  

kxs401: Nabb1: coco ebert: I'm also amused by the sudden interest by conservatives in educational equality and mental health funding.

GTFO with that sh*t.

HOW DARE ANYONE NOT HAVE THE OPINIONS I WANT THEM TO HAVE ON EVERY ISSUE!

Right, no possibility it's a disingenuous sudden concern for mental health to attempt to keep everyone away from gun control.


I don't know what other people's motives may be, nor do I care, but I have been an advocate of reforming our mental health care system since I worked in a juvenile law clinic in the 1990's.
 
2012-12-24 11:10:45 AM  
Also, since the theme of the the thread seems to be a pointless and incorrect gotcha: Who under the age of 60 gives a Fark about David Gregory?
 
2012-12-24 11:12:35 AM  
According to a scan of the school's online faculty-staff directory, Sidwell has a security department made up of at least 11 people. Many of those are police officers, who are presumably armed.

So we don't know if the security are actually armed or not, but we'll just ignore that for the purposes of our article. That's some good investigative reporting there, Lou.
 
2012-12-24 11:13:06 AM  

what_now: Ok, let's say we put armed guards in every school. How do we pay for it?

Raise your hand if you support tax increases for this.


There's that or figure out what your most important budgetary priorities are.  But, obviously that's never going to happen.
 
2012-12-24 11:13:16 AM  
Stalky little stalkers, these rightards are.
 
2012-12-24 11:13:28 AM  

Nabb1: coco ebert: I'm also amused by the sudden interest by conservatives in educational equality and mental health funding.

GTFO with that sh*t.

HOW DARE ANYONE NOT HAVE THE OPINIONS I WANT THEM TO HAVE ON EVERY ISSUE!


Way to miss the point.
 
2012-12-24 11:15:19 AM  

kxs401: I'm.... outraged?

Wait, no I'm not. Just because one school where lots of children who might be potential targets attend needs guards, that doesn't mean all schools need guards. Why are republicans constantly so pouty and outraged? Does it make them happy?


How many attempts have they thwarted, as opposed to how many "gun-free zones" have been shot up?
 
2012-12-24 11:15:27 AM  
The same David Gregory that possessed a 30 round magazine on television in Washington D.C. and hasn't been charged with D.C.'s strict magazine capacity limit law yet?

/go figure
//obviously the entire newsroom was at risk while it was there
 
2012-12-24 11:17:20 AM  

Nabb1: Of course it doesn't, and I wouldn't want to waste time with anything like one or two police officers assigned detail or anything like that. Look, banks need armed guards. Malls need armed guards. Pro sports events need armed guards. These are things we value. It's all about priorities.


Malls do not need armed guards and they usually don't have them.
 
2012-12-24 11:17:22 AM  

St_Francis_P: sammyk: Well, if you got nothin you attack the messenger.

The public reacted very negatively to LaPierre's message, so the Conservative Entertainment Complex has decided to double down on it. Good times.

.
wut?
 
2012-12-24 11:17:25 AM  
Chicago has had police at high schools since like the past 20 years
/uniforms and metal detectors for like 10-15
 
2012-12-24 11:18:22 AM  
Tax money set aside for installing a panic button alongside fire alarms in every school, regulated by similar laws as the fire alarms. Hit one button for the fire alarm. Hit the one right next to it for the panic button.

Crazy gunman (or other criminals that would warrant the use of hitting that button) show up, someone hits the button -- signal is sent directly to the local police who send the SWAT team. This is different from simply calling the cops. You hit the panic button and you know that lives are at stake.

We don't need a fire engine parked outside the school all the time. We don't need armed guards parked outside either.

We also can't 100% avoid these attacks, but we can do everything we can, and do it efficiently and financially viable.

So, yeah. Panic buttons in schools. Cheaper than armed guards.
 
2012-12-24 11:19:28 AM  

moothemagiccow: Nabb1: Of course it doesn't, and I wouldn't want to waste time with anything like one or two police officers assigned detail or anything like that. Look, banks need armed guards. Malls need armed guards. Pro sports events need armed guards. These are things we value. It's all about priorities.

Malls do not need armed guards and they usually don't have them.


Our malls are patrolled by off-duty cops/sheriff's deputies working detail.  YMMV.
 
2012-12-24 11:19:52 AM  
So, the hypocracy and duplicity is alive and well in the Media.
This is my suprised face.

People, NONE of these talking heads really believe their own derp. They will Nanny you right into the pens and happily take their blood money from the New Orderlies.

/we can deport a few, start w/ Piers Morgan.
 
2012-12-24 11:20:02 AM  
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2012-12-24 11:20:41 AM  
If you're advocating armed security in schools, but not at least a security officer in every CLASSROOM, you're a disingenuous piece of shiat. Seriously, one officer in a school? People will just shoot up the 2nd floor instead of the 1st.
 
2012-12-24 11:22:28 AM  
I've solved the problem...

No more gun worries... no more bomb scares... just bliss

Your kids are safe now.. thanks to the new security team put into place in schools....

www.dziennik.com

/your welcome
 
2012-12-24 11:22:46 AM  

debug: According to a scan of the school's online faculty-staff directory, Sidwell has a security department made up of at least 11 people. Many of those are police officers, who are presumably armed.

So we don't know if the security are actually armed or not, but we'll just ignore that for the purposes of our article. That's some good investigative reporting there, Lou.


There is also a Secret Service detail, which is armed. Clearly the government believes that armed guards protect important people.

With that out of the way, if I have a choice between putting an armed guard at my child's school or investing in better mental health care for the community, I'm going for the health care. It may be a good idea to arm the principal, but that should also be a decision left to the local school district. And I stress the word may.
 
2012-12-24 11:23:03 AM  

david_gaithersburg: St_Francis_P: sammyk: Well, if you got nothin you attack the messenger.

The public reacted very negatively to LaPierre's message, so the Conservative Entertainment Complex has decided to double down on it. Good times.
.
wut?


Google is your friend.
 
2012-12-24 11:24:12 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: BunkyBrewman: Security guards at the school where Obama's kids attend?

TFA mentions that this is not counting the SS detail.


It also presumes these people are armed because of their position. School police where I live (near Atlanta) are armed but not with firearms.
 
2012-12-24 11:25:37 AM  

Nabb1: Some children are more important than others, submitter. It's a fact of life.


Yup. Guns as for the David Gregorys of the world, not for the goyim. Remember the lesson of WW2: "Never again... to us"
 
2012-12-24 11:25:41 AM  

Notabunny: I love the smell of right wing desperation in the morning


So the fact he also waved around a weapon magazine that is illegal in Washington, D.C. on air while in a D.C. TV studio should also be overlooked.

What's also amusing, is that if we change the subject to abortion, change the channel to Fox News, you'd be here right now ranting against everything social Conservatives stand for as a little girl who had her dolly taken away.

Don't claim to the "rational" faction of American politics. That imaginary crown was sacrificed decades ago.
 
2012-12-24 11:25:56 AM  
Well, this information is surely of consequence. I am really interested about when a reporter is hypocritical for chastising a lobbyist on a subject neither of them know anything about.
 
2012-12-24 11:26:27 AM  
So every school hires armed security guards, inflates the costs, and then some kid gets shot accidentally and we have the debate over WTF are armed security guards doing in our schools. Brilliant!
 
2012-12-24 11:26:56 AM  
What part of "social elite" don't you understand, subby?

/The rich aren't like you.
 
2012-12-24 11:27:04 AM  

It's Me Bender: Yup. Guns as for the David Gregorys of the world, not for the goyim. Remember the lesson of WW2: "Never again... to us"


Come out of hiding... America is ready for "Lethal Weapon 5"
 
2012-12-24 11:27:20 AM  

coco ebert: I'm also amused by the sudden interest by conservatives in educational equality and mental health funding.

GTFO with that sh*t.


I think they have been worried for years about the mentally ill, Progressives, and Democrats, but I'm repeating myself.
 
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