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(The Weekly Standard)   NBC News talking head David Gregory chides NRAs Wayne LaPierre for even considering the notion of having armed guards at schools. After the interview, he picked up his kids at their school...which has 11 on the security payroll   (weeklystandard.com) divider line 521
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2012-12-24 11:40:05 AM
The intentionally obtuse contrarian BS is damn near suffocating in this thread.

Whatever it takes to avoid discussing reasonable gun control legislation, I guess.
 
2012-12-24 11:40:06 AM
So, conservatives are going to pour a lot of funding into public schools so they're more like Sidwell Friends?

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2012-12-24 11:40:10 AM

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Fart_Machine: Most affluent school districts don't employ armed security guards.

True... I can name at least one.


You're most likely to find them in poorer districts with a higher crime rate.
 
2012-12-24 11:40:15 AM

verbaltoxin: david_gaithersburg: verbaltoxin: david_gaithersburg: St_Francis_P: david_gaithersburg: St_Francis_P: sammyk: Well, if you got nothin you attack the messenger.

The public reacted very negatively to LaPierre's message, so the Conservative Entertainment Complex has decided to double down on it. Good times.
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wut?

Google is your friend.

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Ahh, thanks. A term invented by Media Matters, a Hillary Clinton/George Soros propaganda project. I take it you subscribe to that insane shiat?

You link to Rense.com. Now tell us how the mind control chemicals get into contrails.

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I charge $165 p/hr if you want me to research for you and find the same article in Mother Jones.

Yeah, I'm sure Mother Jones has conspiracy theories like chemtrails and reptoids in it. So, seen any black helicopters lately?


My god man, stop embarrassing yourself by putting your retardedness on full display. Here, you get this one for free. Link
 
2012-12-24 11:40:29 AM

angryjd: Well, this information is surely of consequence. I am really interested about when a reporter is hypocritical for chastising a lobbyist on a subject neither of them know anything about.


This is very important for some unspecified reason!
 
2012-12-24 11:40:31 AM

IkonOlator: 3. So the heck what if someone who does not think armed guards will help prevent school shooters sends his kids to a school that has security guards -- even armed ones? It seems to me that such a factor would be pretty low on the list of factors many parents would consider in choosing a school.


A pretty low factor indeed, at least before the inducement of mass hysteria by means of a serious tragedy.
 
2012-12-24 11:40:43 AM

StubbornYankee: Back on topic...

the point is, many are railing against the NRA for their suggestion that we should put armed guards in schools, yet they don't realize this security measure already exists in some schools. What's the harm? It will never stop all attacks but it will deter some.

Even Wellesley High School in Massachusetts has an armed security guard.


No, the problem is with suggesting that putting armed guards in all schools is some sort of panacea that means we don't need to think or talk about gun control.

Some schools, like ones in high crime areas or ones where the president's daughters go to school, clearly need guards. Putting armed guards in all schools, however, still needs to be subjected to a cost-benefit analysis. And it needs to be discussed in conjunction with gun control and better mental health care.
 
2012-12-24 11:40:49 AM

kxs401: Why are republicans constantly so pouty and outraged? Does it make them happy?


Yes. The fake outrage makes people feel special. It is not even remotely unique to Republicans.

moothemagiccow: Malls do not need armed guards and they usually don't have them.


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2012-12-24 11:41:01 AM

IkonOlator: I'm no expert in Quaker values or Quaker schools, but really

1. How likely is it that regular school security employees in a Quaker school are armed?

2. The Security department list cited to in the article lists 11 people. All of those listed as Police Officers are either listed as "on-call special police officers" or just "special police officers." What's that?

3. So the heck what if someone who does not think armed guards will help prevent school shooters sends his kids to a school that has security guards -- even armed ones? It seems to me that such a factor would be pretty low on the list of factors many parents would consider in choosing a school.


4. Oh, and why didn't the journalist bother to contact the school or the security officers to ask the fundamental question: are you armed at school????????????????????????? (Of course, the whole piece was journalistic nonsense, but if it was at all serious.................)
 
2012-12-24 11:41:05 AM

Nabb1: An assault weapon ban isn't going to do much about gun violence, either.  Sure, it may make us all feel better, maybe the next shooter will only get 12 or 13 instead of a couple dozen.  I find it remarkable that people are barking about their own personal solution like they're all mutually exclusive.


I tend to agree.  I think maybe a ban combined with a buy back for high capacity clips would be a good idea.  As well as registration and licensing for gun ownership.

Anyway, we aren't talking about solutions to gun violence anymore, the conversation has been successfully diverted to nonsense.  Even assuming armed guards would deter a mass school shooting (a BIG assumption), then the next shooter will just pick a church or other soft target.  Unless we are going to put armed guards everywhere, I don't see what the point of this discussion is.

Except, of course, "buy more guns".  Which was exactly LaPierre's intention with his crazy talk.
 
2012-12-24 11:41:14 AM

IkonOlator: I'm no expert in Quaker values or Quaker schools, but really

1. How likely is it that regular school security employees in a Quaker school are armed?

i.l.cnn.net

Also a Quaker.
 
2012-12-24 11:41:20 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: Diogenes: Amazing to see you and DIA now so supportive of equal, safe, high quality public education.

It's called "choice". Maybe you've heard that word used in other discussions regarding children.


Ok, that's funny
 
2012-12-24 11:41:22 AM

StubbornYankee: Back on topic...

the point is, many are railing against the NRA for their suggestion that we should put armed guards in schools, yet they don't realize this security measure already exists in some schools. What's the harm? It will never stop all attacks but it will deter some.

Even Wellesley High School in Massachusetts has an armed security guard.


No. People are railing against the NRA for suggesting that to prevent more killings like this that all we need is to put armed guards in schools and not to take steps to keep people that are mentally unbalanced from getting guns.
 
2012-12-24 11:42:03 AM

MassAsster: snocone: MassAsster: I've solved the problem...

No more gun worries... no more bomb scares... just bliss

Your kids are safe now.. thanks to the new security team put into place in schools....

[www.dziennik.com image 530x298]

/your welcome

You probably have no idea how close we came to arming the TSOs. Fortunately, it was just too expensive to train them, so no. The first iteration of hires cost $55K each and they quit at a 35% rate.
Granted that was with the first iteration of hires, before TSA found out you can't hire enough good citizens to do the job.
The pizza box hires would have been some fun with guns, yes?

Who said anything about arming them?
They are doing a bang up job just as they are..

/entire idea was a sarcastic jab at the TSA by the way..



Oh, I am all, TSA MUST DIE, but the GOP that created the TSA wanted their own little armed army in the beginning.

Bottom line, the Govenment, The Rich and The Powerful fully understand, utilize and rely on guns. It would be easier if you did not have any, but that is fantasy. You being the unwashed masses of slave citizens not Rich, Powerful or Federal. GUNS ARE REAL AND MANY.

Folks, this is what class warfare looks like up close.
 
2012-12-24 11:42:38 AM

david_gaithersburg: A term invented by Media Matters, a Hillary Clinton/George Soros propaganda project. I take it you subscribe to that insane shiat?


BOOGAH BOOGAH GEORGE SOROS.

I love the spin that quoting people IN CONTEXT, with transcripts, audio & video is now propaganda.
 
2012-12-24 11:43:37 AM

ongbok: This is something the the NRA is saying would have stopped it and is arguing that should be in place over trying to keep guns out of the hands of mentally unstable people.


This is untrue. The NRA has - to my knowledge always - advocated keeping guns away from mentally unstable people.
 
2012-12-24 11:44:41 AM

what_now: Nabb1: what_now: Also, I don't think armed security guards would make a difference. That guy would just be the first target.

Hmm... You seem like you've really thought one of these scenarios out.

I've worked in financial aid at high stress graduate schools for 10 years, and in my former job, one of my students pushed me into a wall for giving him bad news and another one murdered a hooker.

You don't think I've worried about this?


Sure, but to act as though a security presence would be worthless seems like utter nonsense.  It may not prevent it, but it may, and it's better than nothing. And as I said, thinking some assault weapons ban or banning high-capacity magazines is going to stop another school shooting or other act of mass violence is nonsense. That part is all political opportunism and we need to admit it.  There's also nothing that says you can't put some gun restrictions in place AND increase security in schools AND work on overhauling the long deplorable state of our mental health resources AND if you have issues with the money, then maybe we just need to re-examine our budgetary priorities for a change.
 
2012-12-24 11:45:11 AM

ongbok: like it didn't stop other mass shootings


Like which ones?
 
2012-12-24 11:45:13 AM
VA Tech has its own police force, that didn't stop the guy that shot 20some people on its campus.
 
2012-12-24 11:45:28 AM

rufus-t-firefly: So, conservatives are going to pour a lot of funding into public schools so they're more like Sidwell Friends?

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Nope.  They'd insist the money for this come out of existing school budgets.  The average school cop is paid twice what the average teacher is paid.
 
2012-12-24 11:45:30 AM
I really hate linking Breitbart because they're mostly a bunch of nut jobs but they try to represent a different viewpoint from MSN/CNN so here's another one about David Gregory: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/12/23/NBC-s-Gregory-Viola tes-DC-Gun-Laws-on-Meet-The-Press
 
2012-12-24 11:45:35 AM

Nabb1: gilgigamesh: Proposing armed guards in every school was not meant as a serious solution.  It was a red herring to deflect the conversation away from the broader issue of gun violence in America.  In other words, LaPierre was trolling.

And judging from the response in the media and threads like this one, successful troll was very, very successful.

An assault weapon ban isn't going to do much about gun violence, either.  Sure, it may make us all feel better, maybe the next shooter will only get 12 or 13 instead of a couple dozen.  I find it remarkable that people are barking about their own personal solution like they're all mutually exclusive.


So rather than try to persuade anyone about a practical solution that makes more sense than "armed guards everywhere" or "take all the guns". You thought dropping a massive turd in the thread would make things better somehow?
 
2012-12-24 11:45:40 AM

LargeCanine: my knowledge always - advocated keeping guns away from mentally unstable people.


Minus that one year they ran that "arm the mentally unstable" campaign, but that turned out to be a typo.
 
2012-12-24 11:45:55 AM
I am definately not a right winger, but I can't argue with the logic. We protect every other damned thing with guns, and somehow you think ypur precious snowflake is somehow never going to know about these incidents. Pull your head out of your ass, the cat is out of the bag, so deal with it. The callousness of those who don't recognize the need for a change in how guns are purchased and the hypocrasy of those who are protected by armed guards is sickening.
 
2012-12-24 11:46:03 AM

s2s2s2: ongbok: like it didn't stop other mass shootings

Like which ones?


Here's another guy who keeps ignoring Columbine.
 
2012-12-24 11:46:18 AM

ongbok: StubbornYankee: Back on topic...

the point is, many are railing against the NRA for their suggestion that we should put armed guards in schools, yet they don't realize this security measure already exists in some schools. What's the harm? It will never stop all attacks but it will deter some.

Even Wellesley High School in Massachusetts has an armed security guard.

No. People are railing against the NRA for suggesting that to prevent more killings like this that all we need is to put armed guards in schools and not to take steps to keep people that are mentally unbalanced from getting guns.


The missed point is there will be more mass killings.
Say it with me, out loud.
Now focus.
The Frightened and Afeared are vulnerable to the crap being fed to them. You have to stabilize these poor schlubs or lose another chunk of your Constitutional protection from your own government.
 
2012-12-24 11:46:20 AM

s2s2s2: ongbok: like it didn't stop other mass shootings

Like which ones?


VA Tech, and apparently Columbine from what I have learned.
 
2012-12-24 11:46:38 AM

snocone: Oh, I am all, TSA MUST DIE, but the GOP that created the TSA wanted their own little armed army in the beginning.


Man, remember when the Democrats were dead-set against the TSA, and voted against renewing the Patriot Act, and then when Obama became President and the Democrats took over the House and Senate, they couldn't stop talking about how they were going to get rid of the TSA?  Good times, man.  Good times.
 
2012-12-24 11:46:38 AM

Fart_Machine: The_Gallant_Gallstone: Fart_Machine: Most affluent school districts don't employ armed security guards.

True... I can name at least one.

You're most likely to find them in poorer districts with a higher crime rate.


Yet most mass shootings occur in relatively peaceful middle class neighborhoods. Poor folks tend to kill each other one or two at a time, usually over money or vendettas.

/It seems to hint that we're worried about common neighborhood violence coming into the school from outside.
//Maybe more than what's going on inside.
 
2012-12-24 11:47:07 AM
April 16, 2000

WASHINGTON - Marking the first anniversary of the shooting deaths at Columbine High School, President Clinton announced $120 million in new federal grants Saturday to place more police officers in schools and help even the youngest kids cope with their problems.

"In our national struggle against youth violence we must not fail our children; our future depends on it," the president said in his weekly radio address.
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Clinton announced $40 million in grants for 23 school districts that he said have found successful, comprehensive approaches to help troubled young people.

"These districts are bringing school nurses and counselors together to respond to warning signs like depression or bullying," Clinton said. "They are improving classroom security and expanding after-school and mentoring programs."

Clinton also unveiled the $60-million fifth round of funding for "COPS in School," a Justice Department program that helps pay the costs of placing police officers in schools to help make them safer for students and teachers. The money will be used to provide 452 officers in schools in more than 220 communities.

"Already, it has placed 2,200 officers in more than 1,000 communities across our nation, where they are heightening school safety as well as coaching sports and acting as mentors and mediators for kids in need," Clinton said.

http://articles.latimes.com/2000/apr/16/news/mn-20323
 
2012-12-24 11:47:17 AM
"According to a scan of the school's online faculty-staff directory, Sidwell has a security department made up of at least 11 people. Many of those are police officers, who are presumably armed."

What...the....fark. The master journalists at the Standard can't even bother to find out whether the CRUX of their farkING ARTICLE is valid or not? I mean, I know it's a rag but this right here...this is the real thing. "We're right because we presume, without doing any investigating at all..."
 
2012-12-24 11:47:18 AM
I bet the school also spends hundreds of thousands of dollars on top-notch teachers that, beyond subject matter, are also able to understand children and provide a better learning environment. They probably have administrators that concern themselves with the school environment and searching out possible issues and resolving them instead of shuffling the kid on to a bus at 2:30 without giving him a second thought.

Let's do stuff like that at public schools before thinking a 60k rent-a-cop at every door will solve everything
 
2012-12-24 11:47:22 AM
There's also nothing that says you can't put some gun restrictions in place AND increase security in schools AND work on overhauling the long deplorable state of our mental health resources AND if you have issues with the money, then maybe we just need to re-examine our budgetary priorities for a change.

Yes. We need ALL of those things, but it won't happen until we stop listening to clowns like Wayne LaPierre, or indeed anyone who thinks there is an easy and simple solution.
 
2012-12-24 11:47:32 AM

moothemagiccow: VA Tech has its own police force, that didn't stop the guy that shot 20some people on its campus.


Columbine had an armed police officer on campus. He took 3 shots at Eric Harris. He missed.
 
2012-12-24 11:47:37 AM

Nabb1: It may not prevent it, but it may, and it's better than nothing.


Not really. In a limited budget situation where you can spend $100 on a gun or a pile of books, I'm picking the books if it's a school
 
2012-12-24 11:47:43 AM
This is the guy who also broke the DC gun laws by having that high capacity gun clip?

Typical left - the laws are for other people and security is good for my kids but not yours.
 
2012-12-24 11:48:03 AM

JesseL: April 16, 2000

WASHINGTON - Marking the first anniversary of the shooting deaths at Columbine High School, President Clinton announced $120 million in new federal grants Saturday to place more police officers in schools and help even the youngest kids cope with their problems.

"In our national struggle against youth violence we must not fail our children; our future depends on it," the president said in his weekly radio address.
...
Clinton announced $40 million in grants for 23 school districts that he said have found successful, comprehensive approaches to help troubled young people.

"These districts are bringing school nurses and counselors together to respond to warning signs like depression or bullying," Clinton said. "They are improving classroom security and expanding after-school and mentoring programs."

Clinton also unveiled the $60-million fifth round of funding for "COPS in School," a Justice Department program that helps pay the costs of placing police officers in schools to help make them safer for students and teachers. The money will be used to provide 452 officers in schools in more than 220 communities.

"Already, it has placed 2,200 officers in more than 1,000 communities across our nation, where they are heightening school safety as well as coaching sports and acting as mentors and mediators for kids in need," Clinton said.

http://articles.latimes.com/2000/apr/16/news/mn-20323


Nice.
 
2012-12-24 11:48:13 AM

david_gaithersburg: verbaltoxin: david_gaithersburg: verbaltoxin: david_gaithersburg: St_Francis_P: david_gaithersburg: St_Francis_P: sammyk: Well, if you got nothin you attack the messenger.

The public reacted very negatively to LaPierre's message, so the Conservative Entertainment Complex has decided to double down on it. Good times.
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wut?

Google is your friend.

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Ahh, thanks. A term invented by Media Matters, a Hillary Clinton/George Soros propaganda project. I take it you subscribe to that insane shiat?

You link to Rense.com. Now tell us how the mind control chemicals get into contrails.

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I charge $165 p/hr if you want me to research for you and find the same article in Mother Jones.

Yeah, I'm sure Mother Jones has conspiracy theories like chemtrails and reptoids in it. So, seen any black helicopters lately?

My god man, stop embarrassing yourself by putting your retardedness on full display. Here, you get this one for free. Link


The fark are you on about?
 
2012-12-24 11:49:16 AM

kxs401: Nabb1: kxs401: Nabb1: kxs401: I'm.... outraged?

Wait, no I'm not. Just because one school where lots of children who might be potential targets attend needs guards, that doesn't mean all schools need guards. Why are republicans constantly so pouty and outraged? Does it make them happy?

Hey, I'm with you. Some kids need security. Why should the hoi polloi get that sort of service?Security costs money, and those resources need to be spared only on a certain class of people.

Oh, clearly. All Americans should get exactly the same level of day-to-day protection. That makes perfect sense.

Of course it doesn't, and I wouldn't want to waste time with anything like one or two police officers assigned detail or anything like that. Look, banks need armed guards. Malls need armed guards. Pro sports events need armed guards. These are things we value. It's all about priorities.

Argue that schools need armed guards if you'd like, but that's not the point this headline is trying to make. "Conservatives" are trying to present this situation as some sort of "HA! Gotcha!" Regardless of whether you think all schools need armed guards or not, it's not hypocritical for Sidwell Friends to have armed guards when other schools don't.


It's not? How many times has a private school been attacked and how many public schools have been attacked?
 
2012-12-24 11:49:56 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: This is the guy who also broke the DC gun laws by having that high capacity gun clip?

Typical left - the laws are for other people and security is good for my kids but not yours.


And the village idiot makes his appearance.

Show me where he said that schools shouldn't have armed security. Oh you know something, he didn't. He said that armed security alone won't prevent school shootings.
 
2012-12-24 11:50:11 AM

Nabb1: Sure, but to act as though a security presence would be worthless seems like utter nonsense. It may not prevent it, but it may, and it's better than nothing.


Actually, "better than nothing" isn't good enough without knowing how much it would cost. I know we like to say that human life is priceless, but if we spend money that, say, prevents 10 school shootings and saves 100 lives over ten years, but that money could have been spent on infrastructure upgrades that would have saved 1000 lives, is that money well spent?
 
2012-12-24 11:50:23 AM

bulldg4life: Let's do stuff like that at public schools before thinking a 60k rent-a-cop at every door will solve everything


Various local stories I've seen say those school resource officers make around $100k a year.
 
2012-12-24 11:50:42 AM
...and breaks DC law on national televsion:

D.C. Official Code 7-2506.01 (b) says clips over 10 rounds...loaded or unloaded, in weapon or not, are verboten in the district...oops

But everyone knows that laws and opinions don't matter when you're on the teevee. Pandering at it's finest.

BTW...LaPierre is a tool as well.
 
2012-12-24 11:51:49 AM

GAT_00: rufus-t-firefly: So, conservatives are going to pour a lot of funding into public schools so they're more like Sidwell Friends?

[img689.imageshack.us image 379x214]

Nope.  They'd insist the money for this come out of existing school budgets.  The average school cop is paid twice what the average teacher is paid.


Let's give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they REALLY want to help, since they're so strongly endorsing Sidwell Friends.

They want to make America's schools more like the ELITIST school that the Clintons sent and the Obamas send their kids to.

We can start with the guards, then move to the teacher pay, class size, etc.

I never thought a tragedy could make conservatives embrace something as liberal as education funding, but it's quite impressive.
 
2012-12-24 11:52:37 AM
Gotta admit, the NRA has a solid business plan.

Every time a gun gets used, more guns get sold.

If people aren't afraid enough of criminals to buy more guns, then they'll buy them because they think the government is going to take them away.
 
2012-12-24 11:52:54 AM

LargeCanine: ongbok: This is something the the NRA is saying would have stopped it and is arguing that should be in place over trying to keep guns out of the hands of mentally unstable people.

This is untrue. The NRA has - to my knowledge always - advocated keeping guns away from mentally unstable people.


Nope. LaPierre refuses to implement more background checks or waiting periods.
 
2012-12-24 11:52:56 AM
To add, I find it incredibly humorous that...in the same breath as decrying a full out gun ban...people are proposing a similarly pie in the sky effort to solve everything.

Meanwhile, these threads are filled with dozens upon dozens of people asking for a moderated combination of solutions including gun control, security, and health issues.

Goddamn ideas like that are probably stupid.
 
2012-12-24 11:54:00 AM

St_Francis_P: sammyk: Well, if you got nothin you attack the messenger.

The public reacted very negatively to LaPierre's message,.


hooooo not here buddy. The gun-totin' Jesus-lovin' Obama is a sekrit moosalem I really should be on prescription anti-psychotics South ate. that. shiat. up.
 
2012-12-24 11:54:25 AM
You lost me at NBC news. Leftist rag.

/Independent
 
2012-12-24 11:54:39 AM

Mrs.Sharpier: LargeCanine: ongbok: This is something the the NRA is saying would have stopped it and is arguing that should be in place over trying to keep guns out of the hands of mentally unstable people.

This is untrue. The NRA has - to my knowledge always - advocated keeping guns away from mentally unstable people.

Nope. LaPierre refuses to implement more background checks or waiting periods.


But they pay lip service to wanting to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill, and isn't that what really matters?
 
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