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2012-12-24 03:22:46 PM  

Carlip: Simplified version.
Are there armed guards in Israeli schools? Yes.
Are there school shoots in Israeli schools? No.
Seems pretty straight forward to me.


Are there Jews in Israel? Yes.
Did they kill Jesus? Maybe,
 
2012-12-24 03:35:21 PM  

Bad_Mojo: I also don't like the idea of being lectured to by someone that has never touched a firearm on how terrible they are. That's just your opinion and thankfully, I and others are not ruled by just your opinion.


So until I actually shoot a gun, my opinion that unfettered access to high-powered military-quality firearms is a problem has no validity.

I await your bizarre, otherworldly explanation as to why that is.
 
2012-12-24 03:39:34 PM  

Mambo Bananapatch: Bad_Mojo: I also don't like the idea of being lectured to by someone that has never touched a firearm on how terrible they are. That's just your opinion and thankfully, I and others are not ruled by just your opinion.

So until I actually shoot a gun, my opinion that unfettered access to high-powered military-quality firearms is a problem has no validity.

I await your bizarre, otherworldly explanation as to why that is.


Hey, look, until you've ODed on smack you have no business suggesting that Americans shouldn't have access to pure China White.
 
2012-12-24 04:01:41 PM  

Farkage: Flappyhead: Poot beer: I think there are three very important words in the 2nd Amendment.

/well regulated militia
//well regulated
//regulated


The problem is you're assuming most NRA supporters can read.

And naturally, you're assuming that the word 'regulated" means what you think it does. Try looking into the context of when the Bill of Rights was written. Go ahead, do a little homework!
And I'll leave this here with you, since apparently you have trouble with comprehension...

"Well regulated" back when the Bill of Rights was written meant "In it's proper working order" These days people like you try to redefine it as "Strictly controlled". It's not the same thing no matter how much you try to pretend it is. And why would the Founding Fathers make it a right strictly controlled by the government when they just fought a war to get us away from a very oppressive government and guarantee we will never be forced to endure oppression again?

Here are a few more that you'll just end up ignoring anyway (since things like facts and history trouble you so much):
Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. - James Madison

The Constitution shall never be construed ... to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. - Samuel Adams

The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed. - Alexander Hamilton

When the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually...I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers. But I cannot say who will be the militia of the future ...


Ok. So, according to you, basically the draft ought to be reintroduced?
 
2012-12-24 04:54:43 PM  
B-B-B-BIATCHSLAP!
 
2012-12-24 05:04:15 PM  
Alright NRA. Let's do this. Just one small thing:

98,817

That's the number of schools in the country. So my next question, how exactly do you guys plan on paying for 98k more government workers???
 
2012-12-24 05:19:40 PM  

Chariset: I wonder how much overlap there is between those who support arming teachers and those who said a month ago that teachers are overpaid, underworked unionists who live high on the hog while Real Amerikans struggle in "real" jobs.


those teachers should all apply for the security jobs at the schools. they will pay better, less contact with the little monsters and they will be FREE of the EVIL UNIONS!!! LOL
at least until the school security patrol union is formed
 
2012-12-24 05:28:17 PM  

evilmrsock: "It would be better not to drag Israel into what is an internal American discussion," he added.

What a weird sentiment. I wonder what would happen if you reversed it?


I had to laugh a little bit at that statement. Just a little bit.
 
2012-12-24 05:31:37 PM  

SnarfVader: The NRA apologist I have to work with told me with a straight face the other day that the US should copy Israel's model. I would love to see the look on his face if we actually did.

/This was after he got done blaming the media, movies, video games, and public school female teachers for the killings.
//I hate his derp so much.


my god - if the US copied what israel does ... it would be heaven on earth.
intelligent profiling at the airports? check
no morons at security? check
100% ( or close to it) military service (peace corps for everyone who disagrees)? check
universal healthcare and compulsory ? check
taxes?  The principal taxes in Israel are income tax, capital gains tax, VAT and land appreciation tax.  CHECK!
48% top tax bracket? CHECK

plus, none of these tards would actually be wanted in Israel. LOL
 
2012-12-24 05:57:46 PM  

namatad:
my god - if the US copied what israel does ... it would be heaven on earth.
intelligent profiling at the airports? check


I see what you're getting at, but just to inject a bit of realism, Israelis dont rely on air travel to get around their country and their "intelligent profiling" consist of interviewing pretty much everybody with a plane ticket. US airtraffic would grind to a shuddering halt, if you copied their methods.
 
2012-12-24 06:00:31 PM  

Dansker: namatad:
my god - if the US copied what israel does ... it would be heaven on earth.
intelligent profiling at the airports? check

I see what you're getting at, but just to inject a bit of realism, Israelis dont rely on air travel to get around their country and their "intelligent profiling" consist of interviewing pretty much everybody with a plane ticket. US airtraffic would grind to a shuddering halt, if you copied their methods.


So in other words, doing what Israel does in schools would work because Israeli schools are just like US schools; but doing what Israel does in airports would never work because Israeli airports are totally different from US airports?
 
2012-12-24 06:07:49 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Dansker: namatad:
my god - if the US copied what israel does ... it would be heaven on earth.
intelligent profiling at the airports? check

I see what you're getting at, but just to inject a bit of realism, Israelis dont rely on air travel to get around their country and their "intelligent profiling" consist of interviewing pretty much everybody with a plane ticket. US airtraffic would grind to a shuddering halt, if you copied their methods.

So in other words, doing what Israel does in schools would work because Israeli schools are just like US schools; but doing what Israel does in airports would never work because Israeli airports are totally different from US airports?


That's not in other words. That's an entirely different thing from what I said: That Israeli air safety measures can't be copied by a country like the US.
 
2012-12-24 06:24:57 PM  

Dansker: namatad:
my god - if the US copied what israel does ... it would be heaven on earth.
intelligent profiling at the airports? check

I see what you're getting at, but just to inject a bit of realism, Israelis dont rely on air travel to get around their country and their "intelligent profiling" consist of interviewing pretty much everybody with a plane ticket. US airtraffic would grind to a shuddering halt, if you copied their methods.


except that the majority of those interviews are short and simple, where are you going, why are you traveling, have a nice day. Plus, what he have now doesnt work and is already a clusterfark of nightmare. plus toss in the complexity of multiple languages???
 
2012-12-24 06:27:50 PM  

Dansker: That's not in other words. That's an entirely different thing from what I said: That Israeli air safety measures can't be copied by a country like the US.


could be copied
but would cost a canadian butt-load of money.
israelis have x number of profilers per 100,000 passengers; if we replicated the process, we would maintain the ratio and have about the same amount of hassle. The only reason things would be slow is if we didnt actually replicate, but went with 10% of needed people and made everyone stand in lines. which is not the same as replicating.
 
2012-12-24 06:34:21 PM  

Dansker: Gyrfalcon: Dansker: namatad:
my god - if the US copied what israel does ... it would be heaven on earth.
intelligent profiling at the airports? check

I see what you're getting at, but just to inject a bit of realism, Israelis dont rely on air travel to get around their country and their "intelligent profiling" consist of interviewing pretty much everybody with a plane ticket. US airtraffic would grind to a shuddering halt, if you copied their methods.

So in other words, doing what Israel does in schools would work because Israeli schools are just like US schools; but doing what Israel does in airports would never work because Israeli airports are totally different from US airports?

That's not in other words. That's an entirely different thing from what I said: That Israeli air safety measures can't be copied by a country like the US.


...but school safety measures can? I wasn't referencing you specifically, I'm just responding in general to this idea that evidently our schools are so identical that the only thing we'd need to do is park an armed guard at the door; whereas our airports are so radically different nothing the Israelis do can possibly be copied to our benefit?
 
2012-12-24 06:37:01 PM  

namatad: Dansker: namatad:
my god - if the US copied what israel does ... it would be heaven on earth.
intelligent profiling at the airports? check

I see what you're getting at, but just to inject a bit of realism, Israelis dont rely on air travel to get around their country and their "intelligent profiling" consist of interviewing pretty much everybody with a plane ticket. US airtraffic would grind to a shuddering halt, if you copied their methods.

except that the majority of those interviews are short and simple,


But they conduct those interviews in every foreign airport that has flights to Tel Aviv - the US doing the same would require a huge increase in TSA personnel. Also, Israel is a tiny little country, with one international airport, decreasing tourism and barely any domestic flights, which is why it's logistically possible for them to have their system. Which also includes replacing cabin personnel with armed soldiers.
 
2012-12-24 06:41:01 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Dansker: Gyrfalcon: Dansker: namatad:
my god - if the US copied what israel does ... it would be heaven on earth.
intelligent profiling at the airports? check

I see what you're getting at, but just to inject a bit of realism, Israelis dont rely on air travel to get around their country and their "intelligent profiling" consist of interviewing pretty much everybody with a plane ticket. US airtraffic would grind to a shuddering halt, if you copied their methods.

So in other words, doing what Israel does in schools would work because Israeli schools are just like US schools; but doing what Israel does in airports would never work because Israeli airports are totally different from US airports?

That's not in other words. That's an entirely different thing from what I said: That Israeli air safety measures can't be copied by a country like the US.

...but school safety measures can?


I really have no idea why you conclude that I believe that. But have a very merry Christmas.
 
2012-12-24 06:47:12 PM  

namatad: Dansker: That's not in other words. That's an entirely different thing from what I said: That Israeli air safety measures can't be copied by a country like the US.

could be copied
but would cost a canadian butt-load of money.
israelis have x number of profilers per 100,000 passengers; if we replicated the process, we would maintain the ratio and have about the same amount of hassle.


Except Americans largely rely on air traffic to get around their own country, while Israelis don't - it's mostly foreigners who suffer the hassles, not Israeli businessmen and folks going home for thnaksgiving.
And merry Christmas.
 
2012-12-24 07:04:48 PM  
I love how the uncivilized gun nuts use the two countries that hand weapons to its citizens for the orthogonal reason as the US as good examples of gun freedom.
 
2012-12-24 07:24:19 PM  

liam76: Yes they have them at the gate but the rest of the base is relatively Mp free.
What do you think it is like on base? MP's every ten feet?


Norfolk had police cruisers everywhere.  Security at every pier.  Security with firearms on almost every quarterdeck.  Here in Spain, the same can be said of both Spanish and American military security forces.

I'm sure its not isolated
 
2012-12-24 07:28:09 PM  

namatad: except that the majority of those interviews are short and simple, where are you going, why are you traveling, have a nice day. Plus, what he have now doesnt work and is already a clusterfark of nightmare. plus toss in the complexity of multiple languages???


couldn't agree more. i've had dozens of international flights in the last few years and the easiest airport to pass through is always ben gurion. no shoe removal, no belt removal, no ridiculous "body scanners", just hello, what's your name, where you going, what were you doing in israel....
 
2012-12-24 07:55:14 PM  

nucular_option: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7501666/81477700#c81477700" target="_blank">Shadowknight</a>:</b> <i>Columbine had armed security guards.

Virginia Tech had it's own police department.

Fort Hood was a farking military base.

Tell me again how more guns will solve things.</i>

The Columbine guards did not handle the improvised grenades very well...
VT's police were a ways away and not in the building...
Ft. Hood's security was contract security and a ways away...

To "solve things" you need friendly guns close by at every turn. An armed society is a polite society. Don't bring a Calculus book to a gunfight.


ISo you are saying that we needed an armed guard at every hallway crossing. That idea is so full of awesome. Of course, we have to pay for that and stuff.

Here's a better idea... lets just leave schools undefended, and make it a "survival of the fittest" kind of thing.
/but only for your kids; I'd like mine to actually live in a safe society, not a well-armed one
 
2012-12-24 10:01:58 PM  
SCHOOL OBAMA'S DAUGHTERS ATTEND HAS 11 ARMED GUARDS

by AWR HAWKINS 24 Dec 2012,

Some interesting news has broken in the wake of the latest push for gun control by President Obama and Senate Democrats: Obama sends his kids to a school where armed guards are used as a matter of fact.

The school, Sidwell Friends School in Washington, DC, has 11 security officers and is seeking to hire a new police officer as we speak.
If you dismiss this by saying, "Of course they have armed guards -- they get Secret Service protection," then you've missed the larger point.
The larger point is that this is standard operating procedure for the school, period. And this is the reason people like NBC's David Gregory send their kids to Sidwell, they know their kids will be protected from the carnage that befell kids at a school where armed guards weren't used (and weren't even allowed).

Shame on President Obama for seeking more gun control and for trying to prevent the parents of other school children from doing what he has clearly done for his own. His children sit under the protection guns afford, while the children of regular Americans are sacrificed.
 
2012-12-24 11:04:08 PM  
Linkers
This is insane. Chill the fark out America.
 
2012-12-24 11:36:10 PM  
Nah, Israel has been too busy bombing other countries' schools and assassinating academics to have any school shootings of their own.
 
2012-12-25 12:40:00 AM  

dalthas: [jewsdidthis.jpg]

/oblig


Came here to say this.

I'm not a real big fan of Jews or right-wingers, but the wingers really need to STFU on this subject. I'm a drunk with an angry streak and a bad temper. I don't own a gun, nor do I desire to possess one.

What wingers need to understand is that if I got extremely upset and decided I wanted to swiss cheese some people, I would have no problem going about acquiring the equipment to do so. Will I ever do it? No.

The problem isn't me being sane and responsible enough to know to keep guns at a considerable distance from me, its that they try and make it easier for mentally farked up people to acquire them and use the Constitution as a means to do so.

Making guns harder to acquire isn't infringing on your constitutional right to own them, it just makes it harder for the problem makers to get them.
 
2012-12-25 01:44:59 AM  

tony41454: SCHOOL OBAMA'S DAUGHTERS ATTEND HAS 11 ARMED GUARDS

by AWR HAWKINS 24 Dec 2012,

Some interesting news has broken in the wake of the latest push for gun control by President Obama and Senate Democrats: Obama sends his kids to a school where armed guards are used as a matter of fact.

The school, Sidwell Friends School in Washington, DC, has 11 security officers and is seeking to hire a new police officer as we speak.
If you dismiss this by saying, "Of course they have armed guards -- they get Secret Service protection," then you've missed the larger point.
The larger point is that this is standard operating procedure for the school, period. And this is the reason people like NBC's David Gregory send their kids to Sidwell, they know their kids will be protected from the carnage that befell kids at a school where armed guards weren't used (and weren't even allowed).

Shame on President Obama for seeking more gun control and for trying to prevent the parents of other school children from doing what he has clearly done for his own. His children sit under the protection guns afford, while the children of regular Americans are sacrificed.


Sidwell is the private school of choice for the DC/Maryland areas rich and famous children. In other words it's a prime target for all sorts of bad shiat. Try again.
 
2012-12-25 01:51:02 AM  

Flappyhead: tony41454: SCHOOL OBAMA'S DAUGHTERS ATTEND HAS 11 ARMED GUARDS

by AWR HAWKINS 24 Dec 2012,

Some interesting news has broken in the wake of the latest push for gun control by President Obama and Senate Democrats: Obama sends his kids to a school where armed guards are used as a matter of fact.

The school, Sidwell Friends School in Washington, DC, has 11 security officers and is seeking to hire a new police officer as we speak.
If you dismiss this by saying, "Of course they have armed guards -- they get Secret Service protection," then you've missed the larger point.
The larger point is that this is standard operating procedure for the school, period. And this is the reason people like NBC's David Gregory send their kids to Sidwell, they know their kids will be protected from the carnage that befell kids at a school where armed guards weren't used (and weren't even allowed).

Shame on President Obama for seeking more gun control and for trying to prevent the parents of other school children from doing what he has clearly done for his own. His children sit under the protection guns afford, while the children of regular Americans are sacrificed.

Sidwell is the private school of choice for the DC/Maryland areas rich and famous children. In other words it's a prime target for all sorts of bad shiat. Try again.


Don't feed the trolls man.
 
2012-12-25 02:15:27 AM  

fatalvenom:

Don't feed the trolls man.


I usually toss a few crumbs out to see if they'll dance for a full meal. Occasionally I get one that's entertaining enough to keep around when I need a good chuckle at someone else's expense.
 
2012-12-25 05:04:04 AM  

Patterson: Linkers
This is insane. Chill the fark out America.


Wow. Japan is #164 on that list with .6 guns per 100 people -- and we all know what a hellish nightmare of violence the citizens of Japan have to endure.
 
2012-12-25 05:13:31 AM  
Historically, Israel's solutions to all of it's problems do indeed revolve around shooting somebody. Lots of somebodies, in fact.
 
2012-12-25 05:54:49 AM  

Spaced Lion: [www.troll.me image 550x609]


Is this all you can bring yourself to post, you lame motherfarker? I guess we can look forward to more pithy pictures from you when the next group of schoolchildren are shot, huh?

/Well, others can look forward to it. I won't have to anymore.
 
2012-12-25 07:19:33 AM  

wambu: "There is no comparison between maniacs with psychological problems opening fire at random to kill innocent people and trained terrorists trying to murder Israeli children," said Reuven Berko, a retired Israeli Army colonel and senior police officer.

These are not "maniacs with psychological problems opening fire at random to kill innocent people", it was insufficient gun control restrictions, you moron.


It's both, unless you think these were well-adjusted people with limited, specific targets. What he said is who is doing what. What you said is why they have the tools to do it.
 
2012-12-25 08:51:38 AM  
Flappyhead

fatalvenom:


Don't feed the trolls man.

Trolls: liberal definition of someone they can't or won't acknowledge has a point and/or can't or won't debate.

--Just pointing out Obama's hypocrisy.
 
2012-12-25 01:47:34 PM  
 
2012-12-25 11:45:52 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Any bets on how long until LaPierre is laughed out of his job?


Laugh at him and you're an anti-Semite

/right?
 
2012-12-25 11:47:56 PM  

SnarfVader: The NRA apologist I have to work with told me with a straight face the other day that the US should copy Israel's model. I would love to see the look on his face if we actually did.

/This was after he got done blaming the media, movies, video games, and public school female teachers for the killings.
//I hate his derp so much.


So your NRA drone is ok with this:

In recent years, restrictions on gun ownership in Israel have been tightened, not relaxed.

"Israeli citizens are not allowed to carry guns unless they are serving in the army or working in security-related jobs that require them to use a weapon," said Berko.


I didn't see that coming!
 
2012-12-25 11:57:15 PM  

Mambo Bananapatch: cameroncrazy1984: Any bets on how long until LaPierre is laughed out of his job?

He will never be. He has the support of millions upon millions of armed idiots.


He's the reason I quit the NRA.
 
2012-12-26 05:50:53 AM  

Bucky Katt: SnarfVader: The NRA apologist I have to work with told me with a straight face the other day that the US should copy Israel's model. I would love to see the look on his face if we actually did.

/This was after he got done blaming the media, movies, video games, and public school female teachers for the killings.
//I hate his derp so much.

So your NRA drone is ok with this:

In recent years, restrictions on gun ownership in Israel have been tightened, not relaxed.

"Israeli citizens are not allowed to carry guns unless they are serving in the army or working in security-related jobs that require them to use a weapon," said Berko.

I didn't see that coming!


I tried telling him that, but he's too far in denial. I just change the subject. If it weren't the night shift and awfully boring, I wouldn't talk to him at all.
 
2012-12-26 09:22:31 AM  

ElBarto79: [cdn.ricochet.com image 800x382]

I've seen numerous people posting this picture on Facebook and my first thought each time was "you know, she's not trying to protect those kids from their own citizens, she's trying to protect them from terrorists." It's a fundamentally different situation and shouldn't be seen as a model for us to follow in our own borders where our people *should* be able to walk around without fear of being shot.


Isn't suicide bombing the preferred technique there? What the hell good is a gun going to do to stop the actions of someone who is expecting to die anyway?
 
2012-12-27 07:15:21 PM  

burning_bridge: Alright NRA. Let's do this. Just one small thing:

98,817

That's the number of schools in the country. So my next question, how exactly do you guys plan on paying for 98k more government workers???


And don't forget you have to include Amish schoolhouses
 
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