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2012-12-24 10:24:37 AM
I do not support the alarmist reaction to the Newtown massacre of making tighter gun laws - one, because I do not believe they will address the deeper issue of a gun-happy culture in general (or the mental wellbeing of perpetrators in particular); and two, because restricting our freedom in response to safety threats is a slippery slope towards extinguishing what makes this country great.

BUT

The pro-gun crowd is not doing itself any favors by arguing that tighter gun laws are not the solution - not because they are necessarily incorrect, but because it makes the massacre about THEM, and not about the twenty people that were needlessly executed this month. Hey, Joe Bob, twenty kids just got murdered; no one gives a shiat that you might not get to play with your AR-15 with the extended mag.

And that childishly selfish mindset, coupled with relatively unfettered access to lethal weaponry, is what's scaring people now.

If the pro-gun crowd had a brain cell to spare, they would argue for better access to mental healthcare; particularly for individuals like Adam Lanza, whose latent psychological problems may have been addressed - and thus a massacre averted - had he had someone to look out for his mental well-being. Taking this position would not only address the disease instead of the symptom, it would argue the position they're arguing anyway, and they wouldn't look like such infantile psychopaths in the process.

But deep down, we all know that people who say tighter gun laws couldn't stop incidents like Newtown, also oppose a healthcare system that potentially could stop incidents like Newtown.
 
2012-12-24 10:27:07 AM

ongbok: You would think that these right wing idiots would have learned by now that with the speed that information flows around the world these days that they cannot make public lies like this anymore with out them quickly being debunked. But they probably don't care because they know their base will defend their lie no matter what facts are brought up to prove it wrong. I'm pretty sure that some right wing site is preparing some kind of story to attack this Israeli spokesman and call him a liar.

But I also find it funny that so many right wingers are screaming that we should have the same approach as Israel when it comes to guns because they let everybody have guns. Then we hear the reality.


That's the bottom line. They're just trying to hold the status-quo with the base.
 
2012-12-24 10:28:16 AM

HindiDiscoMonster:
You certainly seem to live up to your name.


There is no internationally agreed upon definition of terrorism. This is something I learned in 2003 when I was an Army Private and Dubya decided we were invading Iraq for supporting "the terrorists." Well it took the better part of a year for "the terrorists" to show up after we arrived in Baghdad, and certainly most of them were Iraqi citizens killing other Iraqis for cooperating or supporting the Coalition Forces.

So they weren't terrorists according to an Israeli columnist, because they were citizens. Or something.

The word is meaningless outside of a nationalist "siege mentality" context.
 
2012-12-24 10:29:08 AM

Chariset: I wonder how much overlap there is between those who support arming teachers and those who said a month ago that teachers are overpaid, underworked unionists who live high on the hog while Real Amerikans struggle in "real" jobs.


So we fire all of the unionized, politically correct, tree-hugging hippy teachers and replace them with Real American (TM) teachers willing and able to beat some civil society into our kids. Okay, so our schools will look like something out of Starship Troopers, but hey, you didn't see any school shootings there, did you?
 
2012-12-24 10:29:25 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Any bets on how long until LaPierre is laughed out of his job?


Ever wonder, "is the best the NRA can do?"
 
2012-12-24 10:30:30 AM
Gun nuts and NRA defenders have low intelligence and have proven that they are not part of any civilized society.
 
2012-12-24 10:31:44 AM

Serious Black: Snatch Bandergrip: Chariset: I wonder how much overlap there is between those who support arming teachers and those who said a month ago that teachers are overpaid, underworked unionists who live high on the hog while Real Amerikans struggle in "real" jobs.

THIS THIS THIS

I've been trying to communicate this idea for two weeks now, but haven't been able to find the words. Thank you.

I asked this question of a buch of Tea Partiers. They said that it's irrelevant whether they're incompetent at teaching kids and they should be allowed to protect themselves/forced to protect the kids. Presumably at lower pay still.


Hmph. If it comes up again, I offer that you ask them if they think teachers' unions should cover the cost of gun training and certification.

/I would side with pro-gunners more if their reaction to Newtown was more, "We should explore avenues to minimize events like these" and less "Waaah, Obammy's takin' mah assault rifle"
 
2012-12-24 10:32:26 AM

Mouser: Chariset: I wonder how much overlap there is between those who support arming teachers and those who said a month ago that teachers are overpaid, underworked unionists who live high on the hog while Real Amerikans struggle in "real" jobs.

So we fire all of the unionized, politically correct, tree-hugging hippy teachers and replace them with Real American (TM) teachers willing and able to beat some civil society into our kids. Okay, so our schools will look like something out of Starship Troopers, but hey, you didn't see any school shootings there, did you?


"Medic!!"
 
2012-12-24 10:32:45 AM

ElBarto79: I've seen numerous people posting this picture on Facebook and my first thought each time was "you know, she's not trying to protect those kids from their own citizens, she's trying to protect them from terrorists an armed colonial occupier and a supporter of ethic apartheid." It's a fundamentally different situation and shouldn't be seen as a model for us to follow in our own borders where our people *should* be able to walk around without fear of being shot.


call it what it is.
 
2012-12-24 10:32:51 AM
Problem: far too much gun violence, an amendment protecting gun ownership, a powerful pro-gun lobby, and a broke-ass economy.
Solution: 500+% ammunition tax.
 
2012-12-24 10:32:56 AM

Snatch Bandergrip: .

But deep down, we all know that people who say tighter gun laws couldn't stop incidents like Newtown, also oppose a healthcare system that potentially could stop incidents like Newtown.


You mean LaPierres "slap a warning label on all mentaly ill people and have the police follow them around 24/7" plan wouldn't work? Aw crap.
 
2012-12-24 10:33:31 AM
"There is no comparison between maniacs with psychological problems opening fire at random to kill innocent people and trained terrorists trying to murder Israeli children," said Reuven Berko, a retired Israeli Army colonel and senior police officer.

These are not "maniacs with psychological problems opening fire at random to kill innocent people", it was insufficient gun control restrictions, you moron.
 
2012-12-24 10:34:12 AM

Flappyhead: Karac: nucular_option: To "solve things" you need friendly guns close by at every turn. An armed society is a polite society.

I'd rather not live in a culture where an arguement with the neighbor about his dog crapping on my front lawn naturally escalates to pistols at dawn.

I really wish people would keep reading past Washingtons "an armed society is a safe society" quote so they'd realize he was talking about Western expansion into Native territory and the very real possibilty that England might invade via Upper Canada.

/F*cking context, how does it work?


Much of the gun culture stems from simple boredom. In Washington's time, there were legitimate dangers that came with living on the frontier, and a gun was necessary for protection and sustenance. These days, not many people really NEED a gun. Hunting is mostly a hobby activity, and no one needs more than one or two guns to protect their home.

There are too many gun owners - not a majority, but too many - who rely on guns to fill some void in themselves. The Red Dawn fantasies, the guys who can't wait to use their guns "for real." Most of them would shiat their pants if they ever had to look down the business end. Once again, this doesn't describe the majority of gun owners, but there are too many irresponsible ones for my taste.
 
2012-12-24 10:36:57 AM

nucular_option: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7501666/81477700#c81477700" target="_blank">Shadowknight</a>:</b> <i>Columbine had armed security guards.

Virginia Tech had it's own police department.

Fort Hood was a farking military base.

Tell me again how more guns will solve things.</i>

The Columbine guards did not handle the improvised grenades very well...
VT's police were a ways away and not in the building...
Ft. Hood's security was contract security and a ways away...

To "solve things" you need friendly guns close by at every turn. An armed society is a polite society. Don't bring a Calculus book to a gunfight.


Yeah that's why it was called "The polite, polite Wild West." And why do you think the armed forces, who trains people to handle guns, restrict the use of weapons on base? Moron.
 
2012-12-24 10:37:40 AM

thornhill: Here's another reason why the "put a guard in every school" plan is a poorly thought out and impractical:

The high school I went to was composed of 6 buildings on nearly 20 acres. You'd need a minimum of 6 guards, but realistically 10 or more. I think the schools budget was about $14 million; the Atlantic estimated the cost of a guard with benefits is about $90k; increasing the budget by $1 million on a non-programatic expenses is huge and never going to happen. It's just not realistic. And that's to say nothing about the increased cost of insurance from having so many guns on campus.


It would be an unfunded mandate, and the kids would be less educated for it.
 
2012-12-24 10:40:23 AM

Flappyhead: Poot beer: I think there are three very important words in the 2nd Amendment.

/well regulated militia
//well regulated
//regulated


The problem is you're assuming most NRA supporters can read.


And naturally, you're assuming that the word 'regulated" means what you think it does. Try looking into the context of when the Bill of Rights was written. Go ahead, do a little homework!
And I'll leave this here with you, since apparently you have trouble with comprehension...

"Well regulated" back when the Bill of Rights was written meant "In it's proper working order" These days people like you try to redefine it as "Strictly controlled". It's not the same thing no matter how much you try to pretend it is. And why would the Founding Fathers make it a right strictly controlled by the government when they just fought a war to get us away from a very oppressive government and guarantee we will never be forced to endure oppression again?

Here are a few more that you'll just end up ignoring anyway (since things like facts and history trouble you so much):
Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. - James Madison

The Constitution shall never be construed ... to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. - Samuel Adams

The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed. - Alexander Hamilton

When the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually...I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers. But I cannot say who will be the militia of the future day. If that paper on the table gets no alteration, the militia of the future day may not consist of all classes, high and low, and rich and poor... - George Mason, Virginia Constitution Convention

To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them. - Richard Henry Lee 1788

And last but not least:
"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." - George Washington

Now, since you're a unmitigated tool that refuses to actually think about what the Founding Fathers meant, please explain all of the above in your "people aren't allowed to have arms unless they are in a militia strictly controlled by the government" mindset.
 
2012-12-24 10:40:36 AM

jrodr018: nucular_option: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7501666/81477700#c81477700" target="_blank">Shadowknight</a>:</b> <i>Columbine had armed security guards.

Virginia Tech had it's own police department.

Fort Hood was a farking military base.

Tell me again how more guns will solve things.</i>

The Columbine guards did not handle the improvised grenades very well...
VT's police were a ways away and not in the building...
Ft. Hood's security was contract security and a ways away...

To "solve things" you need friendly guns close by at every turn. An armed society is a polite society. Don't bring a Calculus book to a gunfight.

Yeah that's why it was called "The polite, polite Wild West." And why do you think the armed forces, who trains people to handle guns, restrict the use of weapons on base? Moron.



The Wild West also had more restrictions. Several towns ordered people to turn in their guns once they got inside town limits, and would not give them back until they left. Getting caught with one in town meant a few days in jail.

In a primitive way, military bases just follow their model.
 
2012-12-24 10:41:17 AM

The Green Manalishi: Flappyhead: Karac: nucular_option: To "solve things" you need friendly guns close by at every turn. An armed society is a polite society.

I'd rather not live in a culture where an arguement with the neighbor about his dog crapping on my front lawn naturally escalates to pistols at dawn.

I really wish people would keep reading past Washingtons "an armed society is a safe society" quote so they'd realize he was talking about Western expansion into Native territory and the very real possibilty that England might invade via Upper Canada.

/F*cking context, how does it work?

Much of the gun culture stems from simple boredom. In Washington's time, there were legitimate dangers that came with living on the frontier, and a gun was necessary for protection and sustenance. These days, not many people really NEED a gun. Hunting is mostly a hobby activity, and no one needs more than one or two guns to protect their home.

There are too many gun owners - not a majority, but too many - who rely on guns to fill some void in themselves. The Red Dawn fantasies, the guys who can't wait to use their guns "for real." Most of them would shiat their pants if they ever had to look down the business end. Once again, this doesn't describe the majority of gun owners, but there are too many irresponsible ones for my taste.


As I said in another thread, I had a neighbor who owned a bunch of guns and was clearly itching for an opportunity to use them -- he all but said that he was hoping someone would break into his house and he could teach the robber a lesson. I would seriously not be surprised if I read about him accidentally shooting his GF to death because she came home late one night and he thought she was a robber (and for all the gun owners that say only an idiot would fire without first asking the person to identify them self, that may be true, but it's also a very common way that people are killed by a firearm -- if you think it's really a robber, adrenaline takes over).
 
2012-12-24 10:42:01 AM

youngfogey: Problem: far too much gun violence, an amendment protecting gun ownership, a powerful pro-gun lobby, and a broke-ass economy.
Solution: 500+% ammunition tax.


www.footballand.me
No farking kidding, motherfarker
 
2012-12-24 10:43:48 AM
The whole 'shall not be infringed' speaks to owners, not sellers. If you want to sell dangerous weapons you shoul have to record what you are selling, who you are selling to and make stre the person you are selling two gets thumbs up from the ATF.
 
2012-12-24 10:45:16 AM
i can vouch for the fact that it's virtually impossible to get a permit for a weapon in israel unless you are active military or work as a police officer or security guard. even volunteer police officers are able only to retain the weapon during their duties, i know some people who volunteer and were nonetheless denied permits to keep a firearm. reserve duty, natch.
 
2012-12-24 10:48:44 AM

liam76: The whole 'shall not be infringed' speaks to owners, not sellers. If you want to sell dangerous weapons you shoul have to record what you are selling, who you are selling to and make stre the person you are selling two gets thumbs up from the ATF.


I'm fine with that. Unfortunately, gun show venders aren't always that scrupulous. In some places, you get carded more going into a casino than you do buying a gun.
 
2012-12-24 10:51:10 AM
"What removed the danger was not the armed guards but an overall anti-terror policy and anti-terror operations which brought street terrorism down to nearly zero over a number of years," he said.

Uh huh. It was not only the armed guards. It was also some other men, and women, with guns.
 
2012-12-24 10:52:03 AM

Snatch Bandergrip: But deep down, we all know that people who say tighter gun laws couldn't stop incidents like Newtown, also oppose a healthcare system that potentially could stop incidents like Newtown.


And I'm sure the same confluence would be ready to pay for increased security at the schools through higher taxes too, right?
 
2012-12-24 10:52:41 AM
The NRA should be one of those organizations that should be 100% sure about their facts. Especially now since they have a microscope up their butt.
 
2012-12-24 10:52:50 AM

stoli n coke: liam76: The whole 'shall not be infringed' speaks to owners, not sellers. If you want to sell dangerous weapons you shoul have to record what you are selling, who you are selling to and make stre the person you are selling two gets thumbs up from the ATF.

I'm fine with that. Unfortunately, gun show venders aren't always that scrupulous. In some places, you get carded more going into a casino than you do buying a gun.


If you made it a felony I think that attitude would change very fast.
 
2012-12-24 10:54:13 AM
Wait, there are actually places in Israel without armed guards?
 
2012-12-24 10:54:59 AM

The Green Manalishi:
There are too many gun owners - not a majority, but too many - who rely on guns to fill some void in themselves. The Red Dawn fantasies, the guys who can't wait to use their guns "for real." Most of them would shiat their pants if they ever had to look down the business end. Once again, this doesn't describe the majority of gun owners, but there are too many irresponsible ones for my taste.


The ones that get me the most are the owners who "need" to own certain types of firearms. You don't need a handgun with a fifteen round clip, you need to hit the firing range more so one shot does all you require(if that ever happens). You don't need a semi-auto rifle modeled after the AR-15(or an AR-15 for that matter) when a simple hunting rifle will do the same job and again, the target range is your freind. And anybody saying their automatic shotgun with the drum barrel is anything but a penis extension is a damn liar. You didn't buy it because you have safety concerns, you bought it because it gave you wood. It's not a large group, but it's vocal enough to drag the conversation down into semantics and rhetoric.

I have no problems with gun ownership. In fact I've argued the case for gun ownership since I was 17 and did a school project on gun control. But people need to get rational on this issue and realize there is a lot of room in the 2nd Ammendment to come up with a law that makes sense both for gun owners and non owners. To me it is equal to freedom of religion, you can chose not to carry a gun not have to worry about those that do.
 
2012-12-24 10:55:34 AM

liam76: The whole 'shall not be infringed' speaks to owners, not sellers. If you want to sell dangerous weapons you shoul have to record what you are selling, who you are selling to and make stre the person you are selling two gets thumbs up from the ATF.


replace "ATF" with FBI and you just described what happens every time a gun store sells a firearm.
 
2012-12-24 11:03:16 AM

Farkage: Massive rant


Dude.

Calm

The Fark

Down.

It was a joke, a little humor. A small poke at the more redneck faction of the NRA. Let your hackles down a bit.
 
2012-12-24 11:04:17 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: What i would like to know is how do these countries (with strict gun regulation) keep guns out of the hands of criminals?

/serious question


Well, for one thing we don't have as many legal guns for criminals to steal.
 
2012-12-24 11:05:54 AM
It's a shame that we already have uniformed police officers spending a significant amount of time at our schools anyway.

Make it a voluntary detail and we can have armed police officers at our schools during all school hours.

It gives the police the ability to respond to an emergency, interact with children and hopefully get some good PR out of it.
 
2012-12-24 11:06:03 AM
justinsmith354:

liam76: The whole 'shall not be infringed' speaks to owners, not sellers. If you want to sell dangerous weapons you shoul have to record what you are selling, who you are selling to and make stre the person you are selling two gets thumbs up from the ATF.

replace "ATF" with FBI and you just described what happens every time a gun store sells a firearm.


Except it's NOT every time, the enforcement on that consists of strongly worded letters, and some states allow one "collector" (nudge, nudge, wink) to sell to another "collector" with basically no paperwork whatsoever.

The NRA has also fought very hard to kill any kind of limit to how many guns a "collector" buys in a month, which always struck me as absurd... If you're buying more than 1-2 guns a month, you're not collecting any more than a guy buying a kilo of weed every month is doing so for medicinal purposes.
 
2012-12-24 11:08:28 AM
Dear Canada,

I believe now is the time to errect some sort of derp-proof polite barrier.
 
2012-12-24 11:10:01 AM

I'm an Egyptian!: Hmm. Never thought of it that way. I guess an armed society is a polite society. A bloody one, but polite. Dare I say, mission accomplished?


A bloody one where life has no value and people kill each other for unintended insults all the time. People are polite because the ones who aren't tend to get perforated.

/too bad every tribe has a different set of taboos, and usually more than anyone can actually remember
//basically, "do not question anything I say unless you already have your gun out and pointed at me" is how things work
///but yes, so very polite, and it would work in the US too if you didn't mind sacrificing everything else
 
2012-12-24 11:10:37 AM

Farkage: "A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." - George Washington


And yet, when the federal government impose a confiscatory tax on whiskey (which was essential to the economy of the west at the time, and even served as currency, so said confiscatory tax was an enormous hardship), Washington personally led the militia against them.
 
2012-12-24 11:11:42 AM

proteus_b: i can vouch for the fact that it's virtually impossible to get a permit for a weapon in Israel unless you are active military or work as a police officer or security guard. even volunteer police officers are able only to retain the weapon during their duties, i know some people who volunteer and were nonetheless denied permits to keep a firearm. reserve duty, natch.


Would you happen to know what the ammo restrictions are in Israel? One article I read said 50 rounds per year and the other said 50 rounds for life. Which one is it? Also the only type of gun you can get is a pistol, right?
 
2012-12-24 11:12:39 AM

maxheck: justinsmith354:

liam76: The whole 'shall not be infringed' speaks to owners, not sellers. If you want to sell dangerous weapons you shoul have to record what you are selling, who you are selling to and make stre the person you are selling two gets thumbs up from the ATF.

replace "ATF" with FBI and you just described what happens every time a gun store sells a firearm.

Except it's NOT every time, the enforcement on that consists of strongly worded letters, and some states allow one "collector" (nudge, nudge, wink) to sell to another "collector" with basically no paperwork whatsoever.

The NRA has also fought very hard to kill any kind of limit to how many guns a "collector" buys in a month, which always struck me as absurd... If you're buying more than 1-2 guns a month, you're not collecting any more than a guy buying a kilo of weed every month is doing so for medicinal purposes.


I don't necessarily disagree with a problem in the background checks idea. But if you are a collector, you can buy more than 1 or 2 guns in a month fairly easily. Lets say you go to an auction, or a gun store is going out of business and you find a good deal on many guns. I would think a limit on legal purchases would be an incentive for more straw purchases. IMO, it would be better to let the collector purchase what they will, but instead have the process of the background check expanded to offsite purchases. We live in an age where we can process credit cards from a mobile phone, gun dealers should be able to process background checks in any location.
 
2012-12-24 11:13:39 AM

justinsmith354: liam76: The whole 'shall not be infringed' speaks to owners, not sellers. If you want to sell dangerous weapons you shoul have to record what you are selling, who you are selling to and make stre the person you are selling two gets thumbs up from the ATF.

replace "ATF" with FBI and you just described what happens every time a gun store sells a firearm.


Good thing the only way to buy a firearm is from a gun store.
 
2012-12-24 11:16:14 AM

justinsmith354: liam76: The whole 'shall not be infringed' speaks to owners, not sellers. If you want to sell dangerous weapons you shoul have to record what you are selling, who you are selling to and make stre the person you are selling two gets thumbs up from the ATF.

replace "ATF" with FBI and you just described what happens every time a gun store sells a firearm.


And what about gun shows?
 
2012-12-24 11:17:52 AM

Pentaxian: Would you happen to know what the ammo restrictions are in Israel? One article I read said 50 rounds per year and the other said 50 rounds for life. Which one is it? Also the only type of gun you can get is a pistol, right?


Every citizen of Israel is a trained member of the Israeli Defense Force.

They use rifles.

Here are some Israeli college girls.
patdollard.com
 
2012-12-24 11:20:41 AM

Flappyhead: The Green Manalishi:
There are too many gun owners - not a majority, but too many - who rely on guns to fill some void in themselves. The Red Dawn fantasies, the guys who can't wait to use their guns "for real." Most of them would shiat their pants if they ever had to look down the business end. Once again, this doesn't describe the majority of gun owners, but there are too many irresponsible ones for my taste.

The ones that get me the most are the owners who "need" to own certain types of firearms. You don't need a handgun with a fifteen round clip, you need to hit the firing range more so one shot does all you require(if that ever happens). You don't need a semi-auto rifle modeled after the AR-15(or an AR-15 for that matter) when a simple hunting rifle will do the same job and again, the target range is your freind. And anybody saying their automatic shotgun with the drum barrel is anything but a penis extension is a damn liar. You didn't buy it because you have safety concerns, you bought it because it gave you wood. It's not a large group, but it's vocal enough to drag the conversation down into semantics and rhetoric.


Absolutely. No one needs an AR-15 for home defense, or to overthrow tyrants or water the tree of liberty. They "need" it because they are enthusiasts and hobbyists, and get off on having a house full of guns and showing off to their friends.
 
2012-12-24 11:20:56 AM

fluffy2097: Here are some Israeli college girls.


Suddenly, Frank Zappa's "Jewish Princess" is playing in my head.
 
2012-12-24 11:22:40 AM

Elzar: Oh hai all you anti-semite gun haters. You know who else hated jews with guns?

/ this is what the NRA really believes


Gun rights advocates have maintained for as long as I can remember that the Holocaust is a direct result of the fact the Jews were not sufficiently armed.
 
2012-12-24 11:22:48 AM

The Green Manalishi: Absolutely. No one needs an AR-15 for home defense, or to overthrow tyrants or water the tree of liberty. They "need" it because they are enthusiasts and hobbyists, and get off on having a house full of guns and showing off to their friends.


Guns are a hell of a lot cheaper then cars.
 
2012-12-24 11:24:14 AM
I am a gun owner & not a member of the NRA. I own several guns but do not hunt. My son and I spend a lot of time at our local range and enjoy the bonding that results from our outings.

I don't have an issue with reasonable gun control with the key word here being reasonable. The left's meaning of resonable seems to be ban all guns. The right's meaning of reasonable seems to be no laws at all. There has to be a middle ground.

1. Require background checks & a reasonable waiting period at the initial purchase of the gun.
2. Close any loopholes with personal sales and require all transactions be done through a licensed dealer along with a background check and a waiting period.
3. Require that the person be certified through a training course to be administered during the waiting period. No certification means no gun purchase. The only exception being gun store owners buying stock or collectable guns such as black powder rifles and pistols.
4. Require recertification each year. Have the instructors trained to spot possible issues and set up a board to review the recommendations of the instructors so that there is no bias against an individual and the decision on whether to recertify an individuall is not in 1 person's hands.
5. Failure to be certified requires the gun owner to surrender all weapons until he/she is able to be recertified.
6. Make the costs of certification and the follow up classes affordable for the average person.

I'm sure I have forgotten something and it will soon be pointed out to me by other farkers, which brings me to my next point. The current gun buying frenzy appears to be due to fear that a gun ban is on the way. Prices have escalated on everything from guns to magazines to ammo. This has been driven much in part by the MSM and the constant reporting on the need for tighter gun control. It was reported by CBS news radio that anti-gun articles vs. pro-gun are currently running a 2:1 ratio. Posts in forums are running a 6:1 ratio in favor of gun control. I would have liked to hear how that was broken down in a ratio of total ban fanatics vs. resonable gun control.

My reasoning for this is that most responsible gun owners won't post to a forum due to the the swarm of total ban zealots that will then start the name calling etc rather than debate the situation in a civilized manner. I fully expect to be called an idiot among other things for posting this but then I don't plan to feed the trolls with any further posts.

I also don't like the idea of being lectured to by someone that has never touched a firearm on how terrible they are. That's just your opinion and thankfully, I and others are not ruled by just your opinion.

Go to a range...rent a gun...put a few rounds down range or go to a gun safety course to see what is discussed during these courses and then tell me I shouldn't own a gun. I may not agree but I would respect your opinion a lot more at that point.
 
2012-12-24 11:24:59 AM

Farkage: Flappyhead: Poot beer: I think there are three very important words in the 2nd Amendment.

/well regulated militia
//well regulated
//regulated


The problem is you're assuming most NRA supporters can read.

And naturally, you're assuming that the word 'regulated" means what you think it does. Try looking into the context of when the Bill of Rights was written. Go ahead, do a little homework!
And I'll leave this here with you, since apparently you have trouble with comprehension...

"Well regulated" back when the Bill of Rights was written meant "In it's proper working order" These days people like you try to redefine it as "Strictly controlled". It's not the same thing no matter how much you try to pretend it is. And why would the Founding Fathers make it a right strictly controlled by the government when they just fought a war to get us away from a very oppressive government and guarantee we will never be forced to endure oppression again?

Here are a few more that you'll just end up ignoring anyway (since things like facts and history trouble you so much):
Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. - James Madison

The Constitution shall never be construed ... to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. - Samuel Adams

The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed. - Alexander Hamilton

When the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually...I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers. But I cannot say who will be the militia of the future ...


Persons of African descent cannot be, nor were ever intended to be, citizens under the U.S. Constitution. - Supreme Court, 1857

See? People, societies, and ideas -- and Constitutions -- evolve, according to the times. At least, if they are not unintelligent and want to survive.

Course, I'm just an unmitigated tool, so what do I know.
 
2012-12-24 11:25:34 AM

nucular_option: An armed society is a polite society.


Can we ship everyone who believes this off to Somalia, please?
 
2012-12-24 11:26:01 AM

Abox: ElBarto79: [cdn.ricochet.com image 800x382]

I've seen numerous people posting this picture on Facebook and my first thought each time was "you know, she's not trying to protect those kids from their own citizens, she's trying to protect them from terrorists." It's a fundamentally different situation and shouldn't be seen as a model for us to follow in our own borders where our people *should* be able to walk around without fear of being shot.

I like how the gun rests on her ass.


This is part of the discussion that is under represented, in my opinion. Guys are crazy sexy to begin with, and you add bigger guns, hotter girls, and less clothing and you have basically a real U. S. man's utopia.
 
2012-12-24 11:29:35 AM

fluffy2097: Pentaxian: Would you happen to know what the ammo restrictions are in Israel? One article I read said 50 rounds per year and the other said 50 rounds for life. Which one is it? Also the only type of gun you can get is a pistol, right?

Every citizen of Israel is a trained member of the Israeli Defense Force.

They use rifles.

Here are some Israeli college girls.
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They don't get to keep the weapons, once they're done with their obligatory military service.
 
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