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(New York Daily News)   NRA: "Israel only stopped school shootings by putting armed security guards in their schools." Israel: "Yeah, about that"   (nydailynews.com) divider line 241
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2012-12-24 12:35:21 AM
Can these idiots get anything right? I mean other than blaming 20-year-old movies and video games.
 
2012-12-24 12:40:16 AM
Any bets on how long until LaPierre is laughed out of his job?
 
2012-12-24 12:51:03 AM
I wonder how much overlap there is between those who support arming teachers and those who said a month ago that teachers are overpaid, underworked unionists who live high on the hog while Real Amerikans struggle in "real" jobs.
 
2012-12-24 12:56:03 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Any bets on how long until LaPierre is laughed out of his job?


The companies he represents is on course for a year of spectacularly record-shattering profits. He's a scumbag, but the worse he acts, the most his customers obediently line up to buy shiat at margins DeBeers has wet dreams over.

Granted, the ethics of blame-shifting to the parents who are still burying their children is pretty horrific, but absolutely nobody is laughing at him. Any defense attorney who handles intoxication manslaughter cases would kill for his talent, but only if they had the matching lack of a conscience.
 
2012-12-24 01:17:54 AM

MisterTweak: Any defense attorney who handles intoxication manslaughter cases would kill for his talent, but only if they had the matching lack of a conscience.


If they had a lack of conscience, they'd be a prosecutor.
 
2012-12-24 01:21:09 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Any bets on how long until LaPierre is laughed out of his job?


Never.
 
2012-12-24 01:33:10 AM
"Israeli citizens are not allowed to carry guns unless they are serving in the army or working in security-related jobs that require them to use a weapon," said Berko.

i'm starting to get really offended at the NRA. they can't even bother to think up a believable lie.  this got exposed what?  within 24 hours?
 
2012-12-24 01:40:21 AM
Oh hai all you anti-semite gun haters. You know who else hated jews with guns?

/ this is what the NRA really believes
 
2012-12-24 02:34:38 AM
The NRA apologist I have to work with told me with a straight face the other day that the US should copy Israel's model. I would love to see the look on his face if we actually did.

/This was after he got done blaming the media, movies, video games, and public school female teachers for the killings.
//I hate his derp so much.
 
2012-12-24 02:51:16 AM
Just in case he tries to bring up Switzerland next:

Mythbusting: Israel and Switzerland are not gun-toting utopias
 
2012-12-24 04:29:27 AM
Goddamn, I wish a gay black granola hippie would shoot up the NRA headquarters. Maybe then they'd shut the fark up.
 
2012-12-24 04:31:18 AM
With tear gas and body armor.
 
2012-12-24 08:34:07 AM

Chariset: I wonder how much overlap there is between those who support arming teachers and those who said a month ago that teachers are overpaid, underworked unionists who live high on the hog while Real Amerikans struggle in "real" jobs.


Here is the Venn diagram: O
 
2012-12-24 08:52:59 AM
Columbine had armed security guards.

Virginia Tech had it's own police department.

Fort Hood was a farking military base.

Tell me again how more guns will solve things.
 
2012-12-24 09:02:28 AM
If you have a gun then someone can shoot you.
 
2012-12-24 09:03:45 AM
Its simple really, give everyone a gun at birth. If everyone is packin then no one is shooting. Let god sort out the casualties.
 
2012-12-24 09:03:54 AM

Shadowknight: Columbine had armed security guards.

Virginia Tech had it's own police department.

Fort Hood was a farking military base.

Tell me again how more guns will solve things.


We don't carry weapons on Post.
 
2012-12-24 09:04:25 AM
I was expecting to read some offhand comment made by an Israeli, but that was a pretty painful smackdown.
 
2012-12-24 09:09:05 AM
"It would be better not to drag Israel into what is an internal American discussion," he added.

What a weird sentiment. I wonder what would happen if you reversed it?
 
2012-12-24 09:09:51 AM

PC LOAD LETTER: Here is the Venn diagram: O


I think you're neglecting to consider some of the blue collar types out in Wisconsin and other parts of the midwest that are both pro-union and pro-gun. A bit of an endangered species but not yet extinct.
 
2012-12-24 09:10:10 AM
Yes there is a correlation, its maximum shock value to get attention. I do agree with him that they need more mental resources than they have in place now.
 
2012-12-24 09:10:51 AM
Everyone needs their own armed guard. Including the armed guards. This will fix our unemployment problem.
 
2012-12-24 09:11:02 AM
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7501666/81477700#c81477700" target="_blank">Shadowknight</a>:</b> <i>Columbine had armed security guards.

Virginia Tech had it's own police department.

Fort Hood was a farking military base.

Tell me again how more guns will solve things.</i>

The Columbine guards did not handle the improvised grenades very well...
VT's police were a ways away and not in the building...
Ft. Hood's security was contract security and a ways away...

To "solve things" you need friendly guns close by at every turn. An armed society is a polite society. Don't bring a Calculus book to a gunfight.
 
2012-12-24 09:11:24 AM

BalugaJoe: If you have a gun then someone the Predator aliens can shoot you.


You guys go ahead and like up to be a hot meal. I saw Predator 2; you want to be fair game; you'll be crying for your mommies and wishin' you'd never been born, just like you were when you saw Predator 2.
 
2012-12-24 09:11:43 AM
Oh ladies, while you're biatching about if Obummer's going to come take your guns and force you into concentration camps, and ignoring the real issues that have nothing to do with responsible gun ownership (ON BOTH SIDES), someone just set a house on fire in Upstate NY, and waited for the fire department to show up before sniping an engine company. 3 shot, two airlifted in critical condition.
 
2012-12-24 09:12:19 AM

spcMike: Shadowknight: Columbine had armed security guards.

Virginia Tech had it's own police department.

Fort Hood was a farking military base.

Tell me again how more guns will solve things.

We don't carry weapons on Post.


Your MP's are unarmed?
 
2012-12-24 09:12:34 AM
MisterTweak:

cameroncrazy1984: Any bets on how long until LaPierre is laughed out of his job?

The companies he represents is on course for a year of spectacularly record-shattering profits. He's a scumbag, but the worse he acts, the most his customers obediently line up to buy shiat at margins DeBeers has wet dreams over.


This, and the NRA does not give one shiat about the 2nd amendment... It's a lobbying corporation that basically is only interested in perpetuating it's own existence.

I've been telling this CSB a lot lately:

I used to have a client in the NRA's headquarters building, and because I'm a smoker I ended up shooting the breeze (ha!) with a couple of their execs every so often out in the smoking area. They completely, unapologetically said that they made shiat up and started "OMG! THEY'RE COMING FOR YOUR GUNS!" rumors in order to get the base to send them money. They were proud of it.

The worst part is, they had no idea who I was, I could have been some hippy gun-grabber reporter for Rolling Stone magazine or something. As it happens I'm just some random IT geek, but they didn't know me, and they didn't *care* who knew they were running a scam. They are that confident in their ability to lie and keep on taking their member's money.
 
2012-12-24 09:13:12 AM

RevCarter: Your MP's are unarmed?


The joke is that people don't realize that you have to be an on-duty MP to carry on a military base. Everyone's armed to them.
 
2012-12-24 09:13:42 AM
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What else are these NRA crazy's gonna claim?
 
2012-12-24 09:17:23 AM
I don't know why the left is so freaked out about LaPierre's comments. He's the head of the gun industry lobby...his job is to encourage more guns. We may as well ask Ted Nugent what he thinks.
 
2012-12-24 09:18:02 AM
New rule: Israel can no longer be used as an example when discussing security measures. Every country has unique security concerns. No one is lobbing mortars at my house every five minutes.
/I don't give a flying fark about Israel
 
2012-12-24 09:18:40 AM

nucular_option: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7501666/81477700#c81477700" target="_blank">Shadowknight</a>:</b> <i>Columbine had armed security guards.

Virginia Tech had it's own police department.

Fort Hood was a farking military base.

Tell me again how more guns will solve things.</i>

The Columbine guards did not handle the improvised grenades very well...
VT's police were a ways away and not in the building...
Ft. Hood's security was contract security and a ways away...

To "solve things" you need friendly guns close by at every turn. An armed society is a polite society. Don't bring a Calculus book to a gunfight.


This "armed society is a polite society" bull needs to stop. Crazy people don't really mind being shot at, and, in any given situation, these "friendly guns" you are talking about do. Think of any given story where police end up shooting someone. You commonly hear "18 shots were fired, the suspect was hit twice." If you don't spend a whole lot of time actively engaged in shooting people, you are not going to do well when shiat goes down (in fact, you are more likely to make things worse). Just think for one moment if you were an armed security guard at a school. You would spend most of your time sitting at a desk doing nothing. Would you be prepared when some nutjob came in with an AR-15? No.

I can a Conceal and Carry from MN. I know I'm not an action hero, and my instructor made that painfully clear in classes. You can' really regulate against crazy people, but you can make things much much worse.
 
2012-12-24 09:18:56 AM
If only Jesus would have been armed, he'd still be alive today.
 
2012-12-24 09:20:44 AM

BronyMedic: RevCarter: Your MP's are unarmed?

The joke is that people don't realize that you have to be an on-duty MP to carry on a military base. Everyone's armed to them.


So, they have armed guards and yet people got shot. Police are armed and get shot. No civilian in America need rapid-fire weapons and high-capacity magazines without undergoing serious background checks at the least, the same as required (with the same fees) for actual machine guns.

This will reduce your ability to defend yourself by zero percent. Same with hunting. And King George III isn't coming back either.
 
2012-12-24 09:21:10 AM

Daquin: This "armed society is a polite society" bull needs to stop. Crazy people don't really mind being shot at, and, in any given situation, these "friendly guns" you are talking about do. Think of any given story where police end up shooting someone. You commonly hear "18 shots were fired, the suspect was hit twice." If you don't spend a whole lot of time actively engaged in shooting people, you are not going to do well when shiat goes down (in fact, you are more likely to make things worse). Just think for one moment if you were an armed security guard at a school. You would spend most of your time sitting at a desk doing nothing. Would you be prepared when some nutjob came in with an AR-15? No.

I can a Conceal and Carry from MN. I know I'm not an action hero, and my instructor made that painfully clear in classes. You can' really regulate against crazy people, but you can make things much much worse.



I'm curious; did part of the class cover when NOT to draw? If so, how much emphasis was placed on the individuals responsibilities in a live fire situation?

/Honest question
//Thank you in advance
 
2012-12-24 09:21:33 AM

Shadowknight: Columbine had armed security guards.

Virginia Tech had it's own police department.

Fort Hood was a farking military base.

Tell me again how more guns will solve things.


This. The NRA has two solutions to your dilemma:

1. Spend trillions putting armed guards in not only every school, but every classroom, and/or...

2. Let everyone openly carry a gun. In which case, America is turned into a John Carpenter film where soccer moms get strapped to go grocery shopping.

Sounds like just the world I want to live in.
 
2012-12-24 09:21:41 AM

fusillade762: Just in case he tries to bring up Switzerland next:

Mythbusting: Israel and Switzerland are not gun-toting utopias



The NRA folks also forgot that Switzerland, like several European countries, requires a year of military service for all able bodied male citizens. So, even the ones that have semi-automatic rifles have likely undergone extensive training with them, unlike some random yahoo at a gun show.
 
2012-12-24 09:24:09 AM
Want to get rid of school shootings? Easy. Just get rid of schools.

Problem solved.

/My bill is in the mail.
 
2012-12-24 09:24:10 AM
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I've seen numerous people posting this picture on Facebook and my first thought each time was "you know, she's not trying to protect those kids from their own citizens, she's trying to protect them from terrorists." It's a fundamentally different situation and shouldn't be seen as a model for us to follow in our own borders where our people *should* be able to walk around without fear of being shot.
 
2012-12-24 09:24:23 AM

Chariset: I wonder how much overlap there is between those who support arming teachers and those who said a month ago that teachers are overpaid, underworked unionists who live high on the hog while Real Amerikans struggle in "real" jobs.


doublethink comes easy to those people.
 
2012-12-24 09:25:10 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Any bets on how long until LaPierre is laughed out of his job?


NRA policy dictates that he has to be shot by his successor in order to be replaced.
 
2012-12-24 09:25:19 AM
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2012-12-24 09:26:17 AM

Elzar: Oh hai all you anti-semite gun haters. You know who else hated jews with guns?"


Prime Minister Netanyahu. Especially after the assassination of the guy who had his job before him.
 
2012-12-24 09:27:07 AM
Note to the American fringe right:  The Israelis that you seem to worship are not the roving band of warriors you read about in the Old Testament.  They're a modern country, and like the rest of the world, they think you're all idiots.
 
2012-12-24 09:27:26 AM

stoli n coke: fusillade762: Just in case he tries to bring up Switzerland next:

Mythbusting: Israel and Switzerland are not gun-toting utopias


The NRA folks also forgot that Switzerland, like several European countries, requires a year of military service for all able bodied male citizens. So, even the ones that have semi-automatic rifles have likely undergone extensive training with them, unlike some random yahoo at a gun show.


With rights come responsibility.
 
2012-12-24 09:27:56 AM

stoli n coke: Elzar: Oh hai all you anti-semite gun haters. You know who else hated jews with guns?"

Prime Minister Netanyahu. Especially after the assassination of the guy who had his job before him.


*ohsnap.jpg*
 
2012-12-24 09:28:21 AM

Spaced Lion: [www.troll.me image 550x609]


Another man who was allowed to have an assault rifle in his home country after completing his military training.
 
2012-12-24 09:28:52 AM

The Green Manalishi: stoli n coke: fusillade762: Just in case he tries to bring up Switzerland next:

Mythbusting: Israel and Switzerland are not gun-toting utopias


The NRA folks also forgot that Switzerland, like several European countries, requires a year of military service for all able bodied male citizens. So, even the ones that have semi-automatic rifles have likely undergone extensive training with them, unlike some random yahoo at a gun show.

With rights come responsibility.


Responsibility? That's a Communist word!
 
2012-12-24 09:29:10 AM

Shadowknight: Columbine had armed security guards.

Virginia Tech had it's own police department.

Fort Hood was a farking military base.

Tell me again how more guns will solve things.


Virginia Tech Police didn't go in the buildings. I went to school there so don't pretend you know anything I don't. The soldiers at Fort Hood had no access to their weapons, so how could that have helped? The officer at Columbine waited outside for the swat team to show up, and ALL of their procedures changed after that.

Also, in all honesty, the following is what people get worried about when it comes to "common sense" laws that won't actually do anything. Link
 
2012-12-24 09:29:28 AM

ElBarto79: [cdn.ricochet.com image 800x382]

I've seen numerous people posting this picture on Facebook and my first thought each time was "you know, she's not trying to protect those kids from their own citizens, she's trying to protect them from terrorists." It's a fundamentally different situation and shouldn't be seen as a model for us to follow in our own borders where our people *should* be able to walk around without fear of being shot.


I like how the gun rests on her ass.
 
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