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(Some Guy)   USAF crews partake in one of the most important missions of the year. It's a little dusty in the room   (airman.dodlive.mil) divider line 21
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19726 clicks; posted to Main » on 23 Dec 2012 at 9:06 PM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2012-12-24 01:11:13 AM
3 votes:

Bomb Head Mohammed: YouPeopleAreCrazy: Bomb Head Mohammed: the squadron collects, let's call it a few hundred bucks of stuff to deliver to the natives and the taxpayer is stuck for, let's call it $15,000 per hour to deliver it. Or, we could call it a training flight and just shut the fark up.
Because that is what it is. Plan the route from A to B to C to A, taking into account winds aloft, distance, fuel, payload, clearances, etc, etc, etc. Let the junior guy plan this non critical flight.
Why are Western air forces so good? Because they practice. A lot. This is just one more training mission. It just happens to have a secondary (and maybe tertiary) purpose.

"Training" is the new "safety" in how to justify any expenditure, no matter how inefficient?


The U.S. Air Force regularly re-supplies remote Army firebases in Afghanistan this way, via airdrops.

A training flight would require identical crews, flying identical aircraft, dropping identical containers, with identical cargo parachutes.

They'd also have to load them up with ballast to simulate real-world conditions.

The items dropped in Operation Christmas Drop are either donated, won't be used by the U.S. before they expire, or surplus and outdated equipment that isn't worth being shipped back to the States just to wind up at a DRMO auction.

So, please, explain how this is significantly more expensive than a training flight dropping ballast.
2012-12-24 12:18:11 AM
3 votes:

Bomb Head Mohammed: the squadron collects, let's call it a few hundred bucks of stuff to deliver to the natives and the taxpayer is stuck for, let's call it $15,000 per hour to deliver it.


Or, we could call it a training flight and just shut the fark up.
Because that is what it is. Plan the route from A to B to C to A, taking into account winds aloft, distance, fuel, payload, clearances, etc, etc, etc. Let the junior guy plan this non critical flight.

Why are Western air forces so good? Because they practice. A lot. This is just one more training mission. It just happens to have a secondary (and maybe tertiary) purpose.
2012-12-24 01:02:50 AM
2 votes:

Bomb Head Mohammed: "Training" is the new "safety" in how to justify any expenditure, no matter how inefficient?


How is this inefficient?
"Hey new guy!. I need you to plan a flight from here at Yokota, to Island B, C and D and then back here. We need to do an air drop at each of those coordinates. Prep the flightplan, and brief it tomorrow."
That airdrop could be anything and anywhere. The skills learned in planning the flight is the key.

How do you get to be good? By actually doing it.
2012-12-23 10:24:45 PM
2 votes:

Barricaded Gunman: poe_zlaw: Theyre dropping things like fishing poles so the people can be self sufficient.

We've been "dropping things like fishing poles so the people can be self sufficient" for more than half a century now. When does the actual self sufficiency kick in?


Uh, I would guess that the islanders are managing to feed their families would be a good starting point. Not everyone lives in a comparable paradise dotted with cheap fast-food, jerk.
2012-12-23 10:09:35 PM
2 votes:

Hagenhatesyouall: fark Micronesia.

They need to be droppin' that shiat over Detroit yo!


No, no, no. I think you're misunderstanding. Theyre dropping things like fishing poles so the people can be self sufficient. The people of Detroit wouldnt know what to do with tools like that.
2012-12-24 04:56:03 PM
1 votes:

Bomb Head Mohammed: YouPeopleAreCrazy: I'm a long time flight instructor, so don't blow sunshine up my backside. Do you really need to be training people to fly from "Yokota to B to C to D?" where B C and D are in the middle of nowhere? Bollocks. These are well trained aviators who know how to fly cross country and cross ocean and flying along the length of an airstrip at casual altitude while waving out the back isn't exactly rocket science. Yap is about 1500 nm away. That's a lot of autopilot time.

"Air Drop Supplies into Afghanistan?" Tell me exactly why this can't be done on a range in Japan with recoverable supplies and parachutes in a much more cost effective way?

The "items dropped are donated." Great. so each box contains let's call it $1000 of stuff (and that's being VERY VERY generous). if they drop 10 boxes, that's $150,000 in taxpayer costs to drop $10,000 of stuff. As opposed to sending the stuff by sea, which would have cost a negligible amount, or, even better, donate the stuff locally in Japan.

I am not against simple charity. I also understand the need for aircrews to have training. But what you are basically doing is giving them a blank check to do a very cost ineffective sort of redistribution to people who don't particularly need it on the taxpayer dime. If the training were truly worthwhile, they'd be doing it like this outside of xmas to. They don't. They just bask in the glory of giving away things they didn't pay for with other people's money and then have apologists like you try to justify this with "well, it might be useful for training" nonsense.

Being serious about fixing the US economy starts with getting serious about waste. This is wasteful. It's a small drop in a large ocean of waste, and it's a bit scroogy of me to pick on this, but it's still waste that cost the yearly income tax payments of let's call it ten families while wearing our engines and other equipment in useless long distance cruise flight.


Pilots need flight hours to maintain their proficiency and skills. How do you think they become "highly skilled aviators" in the first place without getting the flight hours. Simulators just don't cut it for everything. Yes, they could plot A, B, and C and drop on a range, but they are still going out for so many hours and doing so many drops. It makes a little more sense to fly an actual "mission" where wind and weather conditions change from a static range where conditions are relatively known. So there is a tangible benefit of doing these kind of missions and it provides a bit more realistic training than simply going out over the ocean for 8 hours and coming in on a well marked range to drop stuff.

Yes, the military could donate locally and I am sure they do via other programs. However these small islands don't have the same interest for charities due to their size, location, and difficulty to access. There is a historical connection between the military and these islanders from WW2 and cold war testing that makes this charity program of some significance to these groups.There can be a larger impact by giving small amounts of aid to underserved groups with little access to the outside world than the same aid given to poor groups with a wealth of programs and charities available.

There is little if any government waste involved in this activity other than possible hours spent collecting the donations. The expense of the flight and personel costs would be spent anyway with training flights. The material dropped was donated. Where is the waste in this activity that makes it deserved to be cut?

If you want to advocate cuts in government, start with the true waste. Government procurement, subsidies to corporations (natural resources production, agriculture, energy, manufacturing, etc.), wasteful security spending for puffed up government officials, redundant and unnecessary positions bloating payroll and benefits, and numerous other targets.
2012-12-24 08:57:46 AM
1 votes:

Bomb Head Mohammed: words


.......Tonight, you will be visited by three ghosts..
2012-12-24 01:42:51 AM
1 votes:
"The chief said it wasn't necessarily the supplies themselves that were most important. The islanders know that the United States is a big country and is involved in many operations at home and abroad. It's important to them that, with everything else going on, Americans still find time to do this for them and has done so for more than half a century."

I think this sums it up pretty well. Wanna make a mark and improve how the world thinks of you? it's the small things that matter.
2012-12-23 11:58:26 PM
1 votes:
who pays for this and why?

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2011/08/exclusive-us-ai r -force-combat.html

the squadron collects, let's call it a few hundred bucks of stuff to deliver to the natives and the taxpayer is stuck for, let's call it $15,000 per hour to deliver it.

the hero in the squadron would point out that this is ...
- a waste of money
- inconsistently applied
- going to people who are not in dire straits
- potentially an establishment clause conflict
2012-12-23 11:24:05 PM
1 votes:

TOG85: USAF Retired: I was stationed on Guam in the 90's... one year I was selected to escort the box full of gifts that was sponsored by my squadron... It was supposed to be a honor to be selected ... Well I spent a miserable, cold 9 hour, round trip flight, just to put on a harness and push a box out the back of a C130...The following Christmas, I insisted that someone else get the "honor" .

From Subby; I'm sorry you felt that helping people was so out of your boundaries that it was a hardship on yourself. Personally, my transportation unit dropped off over 50 pairs of shoes en route to kuwait from Baghdad around Scania(look it up).


Holy shiat! Fifty whole pairs of shoes! Somebody call up Time and tell them to pull their Person of the Year Issue, because they got it wrong. Let's all give thanks to TOG85! Hell let's all give him a blowjob while we're at it, and don't forget the reach around for Fark's greatest hero of all time. Seriously, you are the greatest person on Earth and we should all strive to be like you! When my kids grow up I can only hope they'll be half as great as you! Hell, I'm not even going to have kids now, because there's no way they could ever measure up to such a selfless human being.
2012-12-23 10:44:02 PM
1 votes:

It's Me Bender: The_Original_Roxtar: i'm sorry that being charitable and doing your job was such an ordeal for you.

I think the point of his story was that "escorting" a box of gifts was a useless waste of time, considering that the transport's crewmen could have shove the box out the back of the plane themselves.


Yep you get the point... My job didnt require me to fly often and other squadron members were envious that I got a free plane ride... I just made sure they got the chance the following Christmas
2012-12-23 10:32:26 PM
1 votes:

The_Original_Roxtar: USAF Retired: I was stationed on Guam in the 90's... one year I was selected to escort the box full of gifts that was sponsored by my squadron... It was supposed to be a honor to be selected ... Well I spent a miserable, cold 9 hour, round trip flight, just to put on a harness and push a box out the back of a C130...The following Christmas, I insisted that someone else get the "honor" .

i'm sorry that being charitable and doing your job was such an ordeal for you.

asshole.


Lay off, lot of jobs like that for the 'honor' aren't much fun. He did his duty, and that's what counts.


With that said, someone queue up that comic of the the different service branches and how they deal with how much it sucks when it rains. Nevermind, I'll get it.

d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net

/Just joshin' ya, USAF.
//mostly
2012-12-23 10:32:03 PM
1 votes:

The_Original_Roxtar: i'm sorry that being charitable and doing your job was such an ordeal for you.


I think the point of his story was that "escorting" a box of gifts was a useless waste of time, considering that the transport's crewmen could have shove the box out the back of the plane themselves.
2012-12-23 10:22:37 PM
1 votes:
 America, it's nice to know you can still be a beacon of hope.

 This was an awesome find, subby. I didn't realize this was still happening.
2012-12-23 10:16:04 PM
1 votes:
I was stationed on Guam in the 90's... one year I was selected to escort the box full of gifts that was sponsored by my squadron... It was supposed to be a honor to be selected ... Well I spent a miserable, cold 9 hour, round trip flight, just to put on a harness and push a box out the back of a C130...The following Christmas, I insisted that someone else get the "honor" .
2012-12-23 09:52:27 PM
1 votes:
Are they TRYING to start a cargo cult or what?
2012-12-23 09:49:15 PM
1 votes:
One thing to remember though is historically, we have used these islands for target practice. There is a huge number of Micronesians living in Honolulu who receive free health care... It's a weird situation because we do owe them for ruining their islands & health in the middle of the last century. There is a great deal of prejudice toward Micronesians in Honolulu.

Here's more on the free health care situation: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3254229/
2012-12-23 09:24:48 PM
1 votes:
Considering USAF missions typically involve dropping high explosive on 3rd world peasants who are zero threat to the USA, anything other than that is an improvement.
2012-12-23 09:24:31 PM
1 votes:
It doesn't look like those islanders have missed many meals.
2012-12-23 09:11:36 PM
1 votes:
remember reading of air dropped supplies for some disaster area, small food bundles. a woman was killed when a bundle hit her in the head.
2012-12-23 09:09:02 PM
1 votes:
Very cool. Had no idea they were still doing that.
 
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